Cloud is like how he is on the inside BROKEN

@deltaboi3138

6 жыл бұрын

Demonic Pikachu Well limits were meant to be BROKEN.

@Brenden08

5 жыл бұрын

Delta Boi I think I know who the Cloud main is now.

@edwardgamerx9061

4 жыл бұрын

Obviously he has "gigant" hitboxes cuz HE WIELDS A BIG SWORD, everyone must be thankful that they didn't put Sephiroth cuz if people get mad with Cloud's Buster and Fusion Sword range then probably everyone could yet in coma with Sephiroth Masamune's range.

@captainmega6310

3 жыл бұрын

@@edwardgamerx9061 *cough*

@edwardgamerx9061

3 жыл бұрын

Oh shit, I predicted the fucking future!

Did he really just say finishing touch can't be punished?

@indigof7697

5 жыл бұрын

In comparison to rest

6:05 what you should have said is "Its like a Mario F-air, but unfair"

@kabindrapradhan840

7 жыл бұрын

Brendan Hughes but its "f-air"

@brendanhughes5679

7 жыл бұрын

Kaby its and unfair f-air because of its hitbox size

@mallardwill

7 жыл бұрын

UnF-air

@kflowdroppin4s

7 жыл бұрын

WIllIam Obed that is the joke dude

@TechDreiKerGame

7 жыл бұрын

not all the part of hitbox spike you, the other side kill you for the knock back

It's 2021 The Beast has been slain for years. But even now I return to remember it's reign of terror.

@Dankmemes555

2 жыл бұрын

Legendary Comment ^

Cloud main: "git gud, he's not broken"

@hadookin47

7 жыл бұрын

You're just going to have to trust that he is beatable. How you decide to handle Cloud is completely up to you

@namhaid6988

7 жыл бұрын

+Eric Lee Wrong and constantly lie? I started maining Cloud, do I lie just because I main a virtual fighter in a Nintendo game? Oh my god, they want to win??? How dare they want to actually win! "Gayonetta", I can tell you're very young, or just immature. How about this, you pick up a secondary that goes even with, or beats Cloud? Or learn his weaknesses? Boom, he's no longer broken. You wanna know who was broken? Meta Knight in Brawl. Cloud is no where even close to it.

@hondacivic3740

7 жыл бұрын

WarioIsMLG thank you for proving my point that cloud is broken and clouds mains only excuse is "learn the matchup" what matchup? You mean the VERY FEW characters that the matchup is in their favor? So basically I can't go on for glory because of all people who use cloud, mainly because I use PAC man and G&W, cloud is the STUPIDEST character in the game! I want to hear another excuse other than "get good" we can't get good from a character that has overpowered moves and frame data! "Learn the matchup" learn WHAT matchup? He beats every character with limit except maybe bayonetta, have I addressed everything, if not I am prepared to

@namhaid6988

7 жыл бұрын

Cheesyboy LMAO, Cloud is not broken! Some people don't even consider him top 3! The reason people tell you to learn the match-up, is because that's what you have to do to beat ANYONE! Learning match-ups isn't exclusive to Cloud. He has terrible recovery that you can exploit so easily. He has one of the worst actually. If you want to beat him, then play against a bunch of them and get them to tell you how you can play better against him. Match-ups are arguable. Some say Fox, Bayo, Sonic, Sheik, Diddy, and Pikachu beat him. He has a decent amount of match-ups that you can't be reckless in. Please explain to me how Cloud is broken, when he doesn't win many notable tournaments? If the character has flaws that can be exploited, they aren't broken. You wanna know characters who are broken? Brawl Meta Knight, he won most of the tournaments because of how good he was. Also, the Cloud v Pac-Man match-up is 60-40. The G&W match-up is either 60-40 or 65-35. It's like a Ganon main saying Pikachu is broken just because they lose to them a lot. So yeah, the easy solution is to GET GOOD! You can't expect to beat a top tier with a bottom tier without being good or facing a bad opponent. Join the Cloud Discord and ask for tips, or the Pac-Man or G&W Discord and ask how to play the match-up optimally. Us telling you to get good or to learn the match-up isn't an excuse, it's something you should do! Stop calling "broken" when your sorry ass can't beat a character. People like you are why the Melee community makes fun of us. They have Fox, the best character in the game with no bad match-ups, they didn't ban him or call him broken. They adapted to him and studied the match-up.

@namhaid6988

7 жыл бұрын

+Eric Lee Yeahhhhh, you're obviously a troll. I've seen you on the Bayonetta Rant video defending her, but you bash her here. But just for shits n giggles He can only use limit up b when he has limit, and Cloud doesn't always have it. His recovery is still ass. Down throw combo's aren't true after low percents. Yes he needs a few more nerfs, but not many. Bayo needs more than him. Who cares if Smash 4 is geared towards casuals? The competitive scene is much more diverse than Super Smash Shine- I mean Fox- I mean Melee. Please watch high level Smash 4 play, they don't spam rolls or air dodges. I can tell you probably only played For Glory and assumed that's the entire Smash 4 play style. Yes, ZeRo got robbed, but any character can rob someone. Ganon can kill at 0 with D-Air, doesn't make him BS. People make mistakes and Bayo exploits them super hard. Smash 4 is defensive because something can go wrong in a split second. They're trying to see what would work best, if it's boring, don't watch it. We'll be sending you clips of our boy Fatality destroying someone while you watch 20 Fox dittos in a row. Talk about diversity. Not many people are leaving Smash 4. If I'm not mistaken, Smash 4 can get more views than Melee. I'm not an elitist, I said I enjoy watching high level Melee gameplay. I even saw Hungrybox vs Armada at EVO 2016 live. Great game and Hbox deserved the win with all that shit with Mang0. If you complain about Cloud and Bayonetta constantly, then yes, you probably are a low level player that needs to learn the match-ups and the character's weaknesses. You probably are a filthy casual for Smash 4. You constantly bring up Melee acting like it's this amazing game that if you don't play, you suck. You are one of the reasons the Melee community is utter garbage. You know you can't just pick up Cloud and win tournaments with him, right? Cloud is a great character that's easy to pick up. Not every character needs the skill of Pac-Man or Ryu to use. No one ever complains about Mario, but he is also stupidly easy. Yes, Fox doesn't control the entire meta in Brawl, instead we got an actual broken character in Meta Knight. I know you seem to get these mixed up A little OP = Needs some nerfs OP = Needs nerfs Broken = Needs tons of nerfs and IS the meta. Both Cloud and Bayonetta not fall under broken. Cloud falls under a little OP. Bayo under OP. No character in Smash 4 is broken. Can't wait for your fun response.

Well I mean, he’s on par with Sephiroth post FF7. Solo’d Bahamut sin. Makes sense he can do all these things

@matthewwelch5969

3 жыл бұрын

And now Sephiroth is in the game

@hexaphone9417

3 жыл бұрын

I mean it makes sense, in his game. It also makes sense why smash bros is a very different game These 2 things shouldn’t mix, which is why they don’t

Most bad clouds get *bodied* by any competent sheik

@sonicloud7774

7 жыл бұрын

RedQwerty I mostly play the spacing game with my nairs or back airs as cloud

@okitsqwerty

7 жыл бұрын

I said *bad* clouds

@jellelliott

7 жыл бұрын

Most bad sheiks get wrecked by a bad cloud, mainly because if you know how to use a controller you automatically are a threat to your opponent as cloud.

@okitsqwerty

7 жыл бұрын

I said *competent* sheiks

@jellelliott

7 жыл бұрын

RedQwerty I know what you said. *and I said bad sheiks would lose to a bad cloud because hes broken as shit*

Whenever I fight a Cloud his frame data pisses me off all over again.

@karmalapples5942

7 жыл бұрын

For some characters, yeah, sure.

@kaji8177

7 жыл бұрын

Kamaren most actually

@karmalapples5942

7 жыл бұрын

I'm sure, being the superest of Smashers, it wouldn't be hard for you to beat any character with any character.

@kaji8177

7 жыл бұрын

Kamaren yea true i win tourneys

@karmalapples5942

7 жыл бұрын

Ohhh. Move aside, Leffen, the true 6th god is here.

"Finishing Touch can't really be punished" It has 80 frames of lag, you have plenty of time to punish it when he whiffs lmao.

@cantthinkofbettername5065

7 жыл бұрын

compared to rest

@abtinferdowsi

7 жыл бұрын

Can'tThinkofBetterName the rest of what?

@cantthinkofbettername5065

7 жыл бұрын

is that a joke?

@abtinferdowsi

7 жыл бұрын

No, you literally didn't clarify what you meant by "the rest". The rest of the move itself? The rest of the cast's moves? The rest of Cloud's moveset?

@emmettchristenson6384

7 жыл бұрын

it has 60 frames of cooldown, but that's still heavily punishable

"learn the matchup!" sorry i can't learn the matchup while i'm dying at 31%

Finishing touch can't be punished... Umm... Right.

@colbyhill25

7 жыл бұрын

Merfilicious _ yes it is.

@Piplup-js5uu

7 жыл бұрын

Merfilicious _ It's a rant,That's not something you research about.It's just someone saying ok here is this character. They're stupid. These are my opinions.

@Piplup-js5uu

7 жыл бұрын

Merfilicious _ I'm guessing that he expected people to already understand his reasons but he should've put facts in

@colbyhill25

7 жыл бұрын

Risa JessGaming I don't have a problem with him stating an opinion on why he doesn't like Cloud, and I also know this is supposed to be a joke. But don't use use obviously false facts to get your point across. Especially when it's Cloud and there's no shortage of TRUE things to hate about him.

@angolin9352

7 жыл бұрын

With that giant windbox, it can be pretty frickin hard to punish, especially for people who main slower powerhouses. An archetype Cloud not only shits all over, but makes obsolete because he has the same power but great frame data, range, and body coverage.

You almost gave me a heart attack after saying "Pre-patch Sonic's back throw"

they shouldn't nerf cloud, they should buff everyone else.

@sassyflygonthesecond4993

7 жыл бұрын

that makes sense

@sassyflygonthesecond4993

7 жыл бұрын

Duck Hunt is still a low Tier

@gbird.

5 жыл бұрын

Then that would be a boring game, just a bunch of combos

@JocaPeltPT-BR

5 жыл бұрын

@divide two my main is your mains worst matchup. Rip

@HONEST-xj4rr

4 жыл бұрын

gbird there’s more to being a good character than combos. Cloud is good in ultimate and is literally neutral the character

I swear if you're playing a slower character e.g. Someone not Sheik, ZSS, Falcon etc. you are NOT going to be punishing his nair on shield. There's absolutely no way when it's spaced on shield to get in, it's ridiculously free, has stupid shield push for its size, and of course autocancels. And for those who are like 'Learn the matchup' nope that's not fair when like half the cast aren't fast enough to get to him when he lands in time. Did I mention the no lag when he lands? Yeah. If I decide I want to play Ike or Wario or Zelda or someone who doesn't have Falcons dash grab/ZSS's tether...that's genuinely too bad you're not punishing him for just throwing out moves which is dumb.

I really don't have a problem with Cloud. Yeah he needs a couple of small nerfs to make him more fair. But Cloud is to easy to kill or burn limit. All you need to do is get him off stage. The people I have seen salty at Cloud typically play campy characters. Well I am not blaming you for being salty because he perfectly counters them. To beat cloud you need to be super aggressive. That's it be aggressive and you can win by not letting him zone you and charge limit. He is easy to gimp and not hard to deal with if you know what u are doing

@mallardwill

7 жыл бұрын

*jabs*

@benshaul6976

7 жыл бұрын

WIllIam Obed *Shields

@SolidBren

7 жыл бұрын

Benjamin Shaul Yeah, thank goodness Cloud has some lag after his jabs. And that he is also one of the more gimpable characters.

@benshaul6976

7 жыл бұрын

***** If you can get in Cloud will have a lot of trouble against you. If your character has trouble approaching then your pretty much screwed. Why because Cloud doesn't need to approach to u cannot camp him or if try you won't be able too.

The reason why they made Cloud a god is because Final Fantasy 7 is so good it's god tier.

This comment section is filled with triggered Clouds lol

if cloud was really based on his game he would get stunned everytime he attacks until the opponent attacks lmao

@mackstey4155

7 жыл бұрын

Jonhyfun Can someone make a mod for this lmao

@sadweedle6832

6 жыл бұрын

Do would all the FE characters

@musicalmuddinto4256

6 жыл бұрын

Nooo but hes gotta be stacked with phoenix downs

Main problems I have with cloud is his Limit Cross Slash being almost unpunishable (how is that fair?) and his kinda ridiculous Up-air. Other than those he's sorta manageable.

Man, this comment section is so mean-spirited. He's saying Cloud is one of the best characters in the game! That's his opinion, stop getting mad about it!

@KyletheReflectionist

7 жыл бұрын

I guess that's true, but I thought the video was more of a joke than anything. It felt over exaggerated on purpose for humor sake.

@KyletheReflectionist

7 жыл бұрын

Well, I guess I'm just easily entertained.

@wickedbat4710

7 жыл бұрын

Kyle Ruggieri Indeed you are

@KyletheReflectionist

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks Wicked Bat... 😒 *****​ but thanks for real!

@wickedbat4710

7 жыл бұрын

Kyle Ruggieri Anytime! 😄

I'm a Cloud main and even I have to admit that he is too good. Whenever I win with Cloud, I actually feel bad unless my opponent also uses a top-tier like Rosalina or Ryu.

Cloud is if Marth and roy got sweet spot and tipper every single time and even then cloud has more damage output.

@celticwind4122

7 жыл бұрын

Merfilicious _ Actually its about the same. Clouds hits have very close (if not more) damage output that a all tippered marth would do. the only exception being nair and down tilt.

@Vin50000

7 жыл бұрын

The damage yes, the knockback no(yes I know you weren't talking about knockback I can just tell he thinks no because of the ridiculous knockback on Marth's tipper)

@celticwind4122

7 жыл бұрын

oh gotcha. f smash yeah duh. but bair idk? clouds bair usually kills fairly early. and fair is iffy too since cloud's spikes. The others tippers arent used as kill options as much.

@BrickNGames

7 жыл бұрын

Leo thinks Marth is better than Cloud

@aristeas4633

6 жыл бұрын

Celtic Wind Truer words have never been said

Cloud shouldn't even be in the game. My friend always says he can beat me when he uses Cloud and when I win, he says spam and luck but when he wins by charging limit break, it's skill. Cloud is broken. I wish he gets the biggest nerfs of any character in history

@tbanderr

7 жыл бұрын

You must be fucking terrible if you cant beat a pocket cloud

@Nowel22222

7 жыл бұрын

@Mai Cloud is the easiest character to pocket are you kidding me?

@Connector7th

7 жыл бұрын

You're just a shit player lmao so irrelevant

@yosasa_

7 жыл бұрын

Endless Void stfu Zss main

@Connector7th

7 жыл бұрын

Asada Jones Try me.

You forgot to mention that a properly spaced, hit lag canceled F-air is COMPLETELY safe on shield, even powershield. The amount of shield/hit stun this move does is ridiculous, even if you power shield it.

@emmettchristenson6384

7 жыл бұрын

yes but there is a 1-frame window for it and it's pretty impractical because of that

@CanadianBaconPwnage

7 жыл бұрын

Emmett Christenson It is not impractical, it's just a timing and muscle memory thing. Our top 8 Cloud main in our local area does it consistently, And if a 1 frame input was so impractical, why is perfect pivoting so useful? That's also down to muscle memory, and I've gotten to a point where I can consistently perfect pivot in a match to space better.

@froggalexis

7 жыл бұрын

CanadianBaconPwnage Actually pivots are 1 frame in melee and you can piviot non 1 frame i melee its just it goes so little when not 1 framed. Perfect pivots in smash 4 is the same way but the non perfect pivots go closer to the one frame then in melee. 1 frame is hella hard to hit all the time

@RiketheDangerleo

7 жыл бұрын

+CanadianBaconPwnage You can't Hitlag cancel on shield lol, The reason why hitlag canceling works is because your character retains momentum in hitlag, shield lag does not do this. +Emmett Christenson it's not a 1-frame window it can be done at any point of the attack, it's just easier and more noticeable on the first frame of a move +USERNAME_69_420 correct on melee pivots, Smash 4 pivots are a 4 frame window (different distanced based on the frame timing) +DATDUMBDOG that's a different mechanic

@johnbahamonde4095

7 жыл бұрын

CanadianBaconPwnage I think you are thinking of frame canceling

Screw off my baby cloud!

Damn.. I only got to play Cloud in Ultimate and never got to enjoy the OP version lol. He's nerfed as fuck now. 😂

"i am tired of this 5.99 anime characters i am going back to brawl" jajajajajajaja that is so facking hilarious because is true jajajaja

I dont know how I stumbled opun this channel, but i luv it, great vid.

Ur anger feels my Cloud-maining ass with so much pride

Love where this series is going ❤️️

It's the dream character. Huge hitboxes, range, frame data, broken mechanic, this is amazing.

If you pause at 5:59 you can see it doesn't even have to hit the end, in fact, it only requires you to be hit by it to get spiked and have some 12 year old save you as a replay for their montage with nightcore music in

Finally, someone that agrees that Cloud is broken as shit.

@SaoAhmet

7 жыл бұрын

Mrrglegrrgle Gaming he is not even top five dude I only play cloud for fun I play sonic and one of sonic's worst mu is cloud but I don't complain about him imo I think cloud is top ten but people just need to get good to understand why he is not that broken

@wowza935

7 жыл бұрын

can't b broken when he's 1 of the most gimpable fighters. throw him offstage,interrupt his recovery and/or footstool. next problem.

@jellelliott

7 жыл бұрын

^ If you let that happen then you don't know how to play cloud. Up-B is another one of all of his giant hitboxes that has high priority.

@FilletFish778

5 жыл бұрын

I know, I even don’t like playing as such an op character

cloud's main weakness was SUPPOSED to be his recovery, but they decided to give him villager's up b for free if he ever happened to press down B

@keybladelovers

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah no where close

@mallardwill

7 жыл бұрын

plus his normal up b isn't even that bad compared to others

@pineapplejones4831

7 жыл бұрын

WIllIam Obed His up b won't snap onto the ledge, he can't even tech after a certain amount of frames, and it's vertical distance is mediocre. It's pretty bad

@mallardwill

7 жыл бұрын

Chipotle Williams little mac's up b doesn't snap to the ledge and it goes less than half the distance of cloud's

@pineapplejones4831

7 жыл бұрын

WIllIam Obed ya but mac at least can do his jolt Haymarker move (whatever it's called) to snap to the side of the stage. I'm not arguing that macs recovery is bad (because it is) but at least he has more options than cloud normal up b.

That intro was very acurate to how I feel when I find one online

I wish they would’ve just left him alone. Having a 15 second duration on Limit Break is all he needed, and MAYBE slightly nerf nair, now nair is next to useless

He has a bad recovery, and loses a couple of matchups. He isn't the best right now, at least in my opinion.

@Marxeru

7 жыл бұрын

Wall jump helps with recovery, and it isn't too bad in my opinion.

@jjt171

7 жыл бұрын

He's top 3 dude. He's literally the second best character according to the tier list.

@EJJTheMiner

7 жыл бұрын

I think he's third or fourth imo. Also, that "official" tier list is considered by many to be inaccurate.

@emmettchristenson6384

7 жыл бұрын

The tier list definitely becomes less and less accurate as the meta evolves. In this case, very fearful people have developed an anti-cloud meta. While he's still a strong character, everyone else knows how to beat him out very well.

@addten1758

7 жыл бұрын

It's just that cloud is low skil-high reward ulike other top tiers

Why let limit charge when inflicting damage on him?!

@jackgarcia5926

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it seems extremely stupid to reward someone for making mistakes.

@draca6426

6 жыл бұрын

Exactly, and for someone with such utility and reward, Little Mac’s KO is far more inferior

i immediately thumbs upped for the intro, because it's actually me on for glory whenever i see that fricker show up.

Why did I laugh so hard at the intro.

Might I have some of that salt for my fries?

Oh boy, a Cloud rant. I wonder what he's gonna talk about first. Upair juggling? Limit camping? Cross Slash doing way too much damage? *Jab* Oh yes let's talk about Cloud's most average move first that's a great idea

@tekklover1489

7 жыл бұрын

Abtin you smell like a cloud main but if you main falco *highfive he is my secondary

@emmettchristenson6384

7 жыл бұрын

Yea jab isn't even all that good it's 4 frames compared to most good characters having one that's 1-3 frames

@100organicfreshmemes5

7 жыл бұрын

Emmett Christenson I think the thing that annoys him about it is compared to other super fast jabs (ZSS and Shiek, for example) it has really good range.

@abtinferdowsi

7 жыл бұрын

Get Rekt Scrub untrue, it has average range except for the last hit, which is easily punishable on shield.

@100organicfreshmemes5

7 жыл бұрын

Abtin​ Compared to Shiek and ZSS who have awful jab range to balance how fast they are.

I have a bunch of characters I would love for you to rant about lol you’re the best ranter and earned my sub

5:29 - It cracks me up that he's talking about follow-ups and lack of lag when he doesn't auto-cancel it once.

I really hope Smash Ultimate doesn't have these unbalanced monsters. Bayo and Cloud basically ruined my enjoyment of the game and damaged the competitive scene, and if Ultimate releases and we get the same stupid meta again, I think I'll move to a different franchise.

@voltingmaster5458

6 жыл бұрын

Lardo137 Well limit now only has 15 seconds before it disappears completely.

@blueberryblues5644

5 жыл бұрын

Lardo137 well cloud and bayo definitely got hit. I still personally really like Cloud's kit but I can see how much weaker he's gotten.

ROFL I'll see you in court cuz that hoola hoop comparison nearly killed me!

Interesting vid but there are a lot of counter arguments you did not mention: 0:59 The same thing can be said about the frame data of Diddy Kong, Sheik, Fox and many other top tiers. 1:45 Cloud limit moves are easily blocked by shield and players can throw/hit Cloud off stage to make him waste limit. Shielding is strong against Cloud since he has no guaranteed follow ups from grabs and has no kill throw. 3:50 Just because you approach Cloud that does not mean you are losing. We have seen many Diddy Kong, Sheik and Fox players gimp Cloud at crazy low % just by approaching and pressuring him (most notably Zero and Larry Lurr). 4:20 Again the same thing can be said about Diddy Kong, Sheik, Fox and many top tiers. You also forgot to mention the biggest thing about Cloud. Cloud’s recovery, that recovery, dat recovery doe is SO BAD. It is only good when he has limit, but if Cloud uses limit to recover, then he has no more limit cross slash and finishing touch until he finally charges limit all the way up again. I can’t tell if this was just a troll vid or not but I agree with Zero: Cloud is 6th on the tier list, not the best but not the worst either.

@ZeeGee__

7 жыл бұрын

0:59 yeah but they aren't using a sword (let alone one of the largest in the game) that extends his hitbox way farther than those characters, giving him an amount of distance a player has to be away from him in order to try and attack after his attack finishes, although that distance now gives him enough time to throw out a follow up unpunished. 0:59 not if your in the air, you try and airdodge it and its still going to hit you due to how large the hitbox is and how long it stays, if you do hold up your shield during it, it can break your shield and you still can't punish him as it gives him enough time after the attack to either perform another attack or retreat. Getting close enough to cloud to grab him or to launch him is a challenge in itself due to again, his swords large and fast hitbox that also has heavy launching power. Going off stage to gimp him while is a good idea, his up special allows him to easily meteor smash you if you get too close due to its speed and sword size. Its not as confirmed as his other moves (depending on your character, etc.) but its still a problem. Air dodging also isn't as reliable as if you dodge when he comes up you most likely will still be hit when he comes back down, Best option would be too use a projectile or trick him into thinking your doing a follow up but not all character have a reliable projectile capable of that. 3:50 Having to approach cloud prevents you from charging whatever it is you were charging or falling right into his trap. his speed, and the strength+ speed+ range of his sword makes it harder to approach him, You essentially have to keep fighting cloud no matter what which give him the upper hand when it comes to predicting what the opponent is going to do. Not to mention that almost all of his attacks launches you halfway across the stage so no matter how much you stay on him, he gets an attack in and you have to race to get back over to him as he charges his meter again. 4:50 the main thing about clouds ariels that makes him different from those characters is his sword's speed+strength+ hitbox size. The characters you mentioned have hitboxes that only extends as far as their body, not the size of an entire cloud, around cloud. Because he's using a sword it also won't collide with most other attacks, and he can attack you from distances you can't attack him from. Basically the main source for complaints around cloud is his sword. Unlike most other swordsman in the game, its both fast and strong and each attack has the ability to kill or at the very least knock an opponent farther away for him to continue his charge. The sword provides him a small amount of distance where he can attack others from, but unless your using a projectile, you can't attack him from. Not only does the sword itself has such a large range but most of his attacks also cover a wide or tall area to. The speed of his attacks makes it harder to punish him also. Giving cloud the ability to charge his limit which gives him the access to 4 different KO options, and not allowing it to be knocked out of him is also a problem. Because he can charge it, he will and any second you spend not hitting him is one he has to build it up. Its not like little mac who only gets it from fighting and you can force it out of him and he has to be close to you to actually use it. Cloud is like if they took Ike, but made his sword even stronger and larger, making his moves as fast as marth's, a chargable little mac meter that can't be knocked out, that can result in 3 differnt KO punches and into a even taller Samus Blast.

@SumRandomAzn

7 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing your insight, I read all of it (you wrote me an essay 691 words damn bruh lol). Here is my response: I agree with the fact that Cloud is a good character, however to objectively judge a character you have to look at the good and the bad things about the character. Yes his sword is a great spacing tool, decent knockback, is relatively fast and his limit is good; but does this make up for the fact that he can easily get gimped at super low percentages (e.g. 8%)? He even has an un-techable part of his Up special so he is very susceptible to getting stage spiked at low % as well. Also if Cloud is such as good character, why haven’t we been seeing any Clouds winning major tournaments? It has mostly been Diddy Kong, Mario, Sheik and Bayo players winning; all the best Cloud players have been losing. 0:59 If you are in the air Cloud still has to make good reads in order to land limit attacks. If Cloud reads an air dodge, then arguably he should be rewarded. Many other characters can get kills at low % by reading air dodges as well, it is not just a Cloud specific thing. Also limit attacks only shield poke or breaks shields if your shield is low. Most of the better characters can camp Cloud out to recharge their shield (since shield recharges quickly) and then block all his limit moves again. Cloud’s Up special can meteor smash if you miss-space or incorrectly time your aerial, however if your aerial trades with Cloud’s Up special (or you hit Cloud before he uses his Up special) then Cloud is most likely dead because he won’t be able to go high or far enough to grab the ledge. Cloud can die even at 8% to gimps like this, as we have seen numerous times with M2k’s Cloud. 3:50 A good Cloud player can make it hard for opponents to get in (I agree with that), but likewise we have seen many good Diddy, Sheik, Bayo and Fox players still consistently find ways to get hits in and either: combo Cloud hard or gimp Cloud at low %. Zero, Salem, Larry Lurr, Captain Zack, Esam, Asriel and Trevonte are good examples of this. 0:59 and 4:50 True having a sword is a plus, however if you compare the frame data of Cloud’s aerials to Diddy, Sheik or Fox’s aerials we see that Cloud overall has worse frame data in terms of active hitbox speed and FAF. So it is a balanced trade-off; characters either have faster aerials with slightly smaller hitboxes and better FAF, or they have slightly slower aerials and worse FAF but with larger hitboxes. As to which aerials are “better” is up to playstyle preference/personal opinion. In the end I still agree with Zero: Cloud is 6th on the tier list, not the best but not the worst.

@100organicfreshmemes5

7 жыл бұрын

SumRandomAzn You know who else can be gimped at super low percentages? Little Mac. Difference here is that Mac's air game is so terrible it makes his ground game justified. Cloud has everything Little Mac does in terms of recovery, but now with a disjointed hitbox and the recovery becoming amazing once he takes/deals enough damage. Cloud has a few minor weaknesses, yes, but they aren't nearly big enough to justify everything else he has.

@100organicfreshmemes5

7 жыл бұрын

Merfilicious _ Side B is slow and easy to edgegaurd, and his wall jump isn't that much better than Cloud's, or even great to begin with.

@100organicfreshmemes5

7 жыл бұрын

Merfilicious _​​ You call that mediocre? Look at Fox, Greninja or ZSS, THOSE are mediocre wall jumps. (or the Mii Gunner/Brawlers) Limit Broken Climhazzard is more than something, it is great.

This ones been coming for a while, no wait, got two that are needed. A. Luigi: neutral A. B. Yoshi: too much lag time and other various reasons. You work on it my bro.

I hope this is just a bad joke, because Finishing Touch is easily punishable, and his forward aeriel is very slow and has lots of end lag, so you don't want to be going off stage to use it. Down aeriel can also be punished on shield.

@sissylonglegsd207

6 жыл бұрын

XenoSmasher Dair auto cancels, and fair auto cancels.

@juniaosier8036

6 жыл бұрын

XenoSmasher if he misses it.

@Ari.1460

6 жыл бұрын

Sissy Longlegs :D fair doesnt auto cancel lmao

"Loses to a mario main" lemme just pick cloud

@mallardwill

7 жыл бұрын

*Wins immediately*

that roast of Cloud's N-Air was funnier to me than it should've been xD props to Prince Royale on that

Cloud: LIMITS ARE MEANT TO BE BROKEN

It was intended to be a party game

@maskedmarioguy2524

7 жыл бұрын

Andrew Kornish LOL

@jlm4037

7 жыл бұрын

Andrew Kornish Nintendo's idea of "party games" is messed up xD. Their main focus is always rage. *cough* Mario Party *cough* Bayonetta and Cloud *cough*

@brettsharer1722

7 жыл бұрын

Well then, this party game ended up by being, by far, the most balanced fighting game to ever exist in relation to the size of the roster. Aside from a couple overpowered characters, the 56 characters in smash are almost all viable. Quite the party game.

@ryanfriedberg9988

7 жыл бұрын

Andrew Kornish Cloud is basically smash 4's version of brawl Meta Knight. He isn't fun to play against casually or competitively

@THEGREATMAX

7 жыл бұрын

+Ryan Friedberg - I'm sorry that you're bad at the game.

Finishing Touch's frame data is not very good. The hitbox is out for 4 frames, comes out on frame 16, and has 60 frames of punishability. It's pretty useless unless you want to look flashy.

@emmettchristenson6384

7 жыл бұрын

Also, D-air is not safe on shield; it has quite some landing lag and next to no horizontal range.

@100organicfreshmemes5

7 жыл бұрын

Emmett Christenson I wouldn't say it's useless, you can kill super early with it if you get a hard read, where cross slash or any other punish you can think of wouldn't even come close to killing. Since it launches up it also isn't reliant on being near the edge. The frame data is what balances it, unlike his other bullshit limit specials.

@emmettchristenson6384

7 жыл бұрын

Finishing Touch has no use when you take Limit Cross Slash into consideration. Limit Cross Slash has way better frame data and is millions of times safer on block or miss. Finishing Touch does have high reward but too much risk for it to be useable outside of guaranteed combos and shield-break punishes. Also, if you're going to try to read something with Cloud, it's better to use a safer move, which in turn can give enough percent to let Limit Cross Slash kill.

@100organicfreshmemes5

7 жыл бұрын

Emmett Christenson That's the thing, the reason people hate Cloud is too much reward for so lottle risk.

@100organicfreshmemes5

7 жыл бұрын

Merfilicious _ What he lacks in speed compared to super fast moves (compared to super fast characters like Shiek and Diddy) he makes up for with his huge disjointed range, and power.

I come from 2021. So I have good and bad news. Good news: Cloud in new Smash Bros game is nerfed. Bad news: we have Sephiroth.

clouds so scary at night I look at the moon and sometimes see his nair hotbox

I've just started the video, but isn't the whole point of Jab on a lot of characters just to swiftly stop a punish from your opponent? Maybe it's because I main Ike and he's kind of similar to Cloud and he has a fast First Hit Jab, but I use his Jab for those situations that I'm at a disadvantage REALLY often. Of course Ike has a lot more lag on most of his moves so it makes sense to give him this quick "panic tool".

it's just little mac with a sword. throw him off stage and u win

@wowza935

7 жыл бұрын

facts

@joejosephk1773

7 жыл бұрын

Sergio Sanchez with a chargeable ko punch. And better recovery. and projectile. and less landing lag.

@sergiosanchez861

7 жыл бұрын

I don't have issues with against him. In fact I like fighting him for how simplistically complex u have to play to beat him. Maybe kuz how my play style natually counters most of wat cloud does and maybe kuz clouds options r just to predictable I can predicted and prepare a hard punish on them. And yes I do go to tournaments.

@eragon78

7 жыл бұрын

+Sergio Sanchez, Who do you play? Cuz cloud does have even and bad match ups just like every character. This game has always been more about match ups over tier.

@sergiosanchez861

7 жыл бұрын

I play mew2, mario, and sheik. Mainly mew2, and ppl say it's a bad mu 4 mew2

Top tier players like ZeRo day that Cloud is a good match up for most characters, but that’s because he’s broken as hell.

This video is old but I come back to it everytime I wanna have a good laugh lol

Oh my god...can the people that main Cloud and know his background and games...please comment. And I'm sorry if you get bashed on playing him because you love ff. Zack didn't for this shit.

@saltysal6281

7 жыл бұрын

Endless Void Zack is cloud but 10x better never forget zack

@Powerman77775

7 жыл бұрын

Opinion. Cloud's and FF7's popularity is the only reason Zack even got his own game.

@Connector7th

7 жыл бұрын

***** But in story, its vice versa.

@tissuebomb5274

7 жыл бұрын

Cloud could have had Meteorain in one way or another.

@Connector7th

7 жыл бұрын

Isaak Beckman What do you mean?

It’s in the title of the moves. You put limits on Cloud, he WILL BREAK THEM.

This was beyond funny and I am so happy you made this!

As an Olimar main, Cloud is a pain in the ass to play against. Even in For Glory and Anther's Ladder. I play defensively and throw pikmin, the Cloud player just charges his Limit, letting the pikmin rack up damage, even if it's a white pikmin. I try to approach, I get bodied by his Melee Marth range because apparently anything out-ranges pikmin. This is all where my secondary Bayonetta becomes a vital counterpick.

Kirby was a mid tier in brawl and got nerfed when put in smash 4.... WHYYYYY?!?!?!? Other characters in the same tier or lower got amazing buffs and hell, characters like ZSS and Diddy where already good, but they got buffed again in smash 4 like fuck bro, cut some Kirby players some slack... Where are our buffs? We have like 35 changes, but like half are small smash attack changes like why? What about air mobility? Aerial frame data? Mewtwo was low tier and people were like "ugh, this isn't true to the character, mewtwo is super powerful and shit" well guess what guys?? Kirby is pretty much a god in his series. Why sakurai, why treat your own baby like a pink turd?

@jordansweeney3058

7 жыл бұрын

I think kirby is realy good. hit that fully charged hammer at 60% and their eating dirt

@vicctretamaj7289

7 жыл бұрын

Jordan Sweeney nah, TBH hitting with a fully charged hammer at 30% will KO them, but it's so hard to hit. That's not even my biggest issue though, he's been nerfed so hard from brawl and he wasn't even a great character. He needs better frame data and his hammer isn't broken or anything, is just make it faster and give him more reward as an uncharged hammer KOs later than all of his smash attacks

@vicctretamaj7289

7 жыл бұрын

SAMUEL REAGAN Jiggs have MELEE 1st of all, 2nd I know, like duh, Jiggs is worse than Kirby, hell, a lot of characters are worse than Kirby, but do I main them??? No. hell, this man did a video on bowser Jr. who is not the worst, but could be better. Are you gonna tell me Kirby should be better??? Should he stay crappy? He wasn't balanced very well to begin with.

@linguicaguy

7 жыл бұрын

Samuel, I think the moral of the story here is that they should just make the bad characters better overall.

@jordansweeney3058

7 жыл бұрын

im happy with the balance of the game to be honest lads... jiggly puff is a realy good character. using his neutral air offstage is realy dirty people just drop to their death. jiggs is just basic as fuck and boring im glad hes not over used

😏 I see what u meant earlier. Good job.

Clouds up air. I can deal with just about every other thing with Cloud. But the up air. Dear lord the up air

I love the part with the Nair hahaha!

Lot of misinformation in this video. Cloud IS stupid but you said a lot of false things. Also, it's very clear you don't have a strong understanding of the game at a competitive level because you said a bunch of things that just weren't true. (His Finishing Touch doesn't have a lot of end Lag!?)

@EvanEdits

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah, you're right. A lot of the stuff in the video is exaggerated, but it's mostly for fun. I do understand i got the finishing touch part wrong (thank you comments section). I'm a little offended by the remark about not knowing much about the competitive scene, but i get that the oblivious nature of these videos would lead one to believe that. Thank you for the feedback GimR

@GimR

7 жыл бұрын

Well dude, you're spreading misinformation. The idea of the video to be funny is fine but the content is competitive & you said many things about the character that just aren't true. It shows ignorance. I'm not trying to offend you, just try not to say things that blatantly aren't true. You have a pretty big audience.

@ShanoaSSB

7 жыл бұрын

Super Dragongmaster It can beat pretty much any move because it has 10 frames of invincibility that overlaps with it's hitbox. It can be used to beat 2/3 options (grabs and attacks are punished) so that leaves shield or wait/bait as your main option to punish her. I think it's what it's really good for though is edgeguarding recoveries with a hitbox or command grab since it also sends at a good angle for gimps.

@AnguirusTCG

7 жыл бұрын

GimR: The VG Scientist Burn

@aby1967

7 жыл бұрын

Prince Royale Why are you even complaining about Cloud in the first place tho lol. Learning the MU would help you. This is December of 2016. Cloud has been out long enough that if you can't fight him by now that's on you. What's more, as GimR said, there is plenty of misinformation, and with the amount of viewers you get, there's gonna be some people who actually buy it. Smfh, unsubbed.

(Buster sword comes through my door)GENKAI WO ME:OH NOOOOO

Dude finishing touch has so much ending lag if the cloud misses (which is really easy to miss) you can punish the hell out of it. Not to mention if you get cloud off stage he either has to burn limit or die

What was that first clip from? Also, DAT LAUGH XD (5:17) That alone made me sub to you xD

Man, that "Trump is as bad as Hilary" joke aged like warm milk.

100 percent agree. Every Cloud will get me super salty. That's the type of thing that makes me Zelda Teleport Spam.

@tekklover1489

7 жыл бұрын

PK_Water You can't do that without plattforms

@tekklover1489

7 жыл бұрын

PK_Water going to the edge isn't very good

@Aquaclaw

7 жыл бұрын

Learn the matchup ;)

@froggalexis

7 жыл бұрын

PK_Water Dude learning the matchup isnt dropping character its learning how to play against cloud. also this video was hella mis-informed

@pk_water6050

7 жыл бұрын

USERNAME_69_420 My mains dont do well against Cloud. Even if I learned the matchup it wouldnt do shit. Also your username includes 69 and 420 so why am I replying anyways

I love playing against Cloud. There is a way to fight him, treat it like a boss battle. His weakness is his terrible recovery.

Sure his aerials were busted but they didnt need to gut them in ultimate. The extra lag and less range in ultimate i felt justified the range. But now a days, cloud has like no options. Cross slash, back air, and thats it the other main part of his kit is limit charge is dumb, add landing lag to up air and give the scoop up air combo back so now its harder to land and actually takes skill, and give his old neutral air back cause it was never broken even if it had slightless less range cause of the shorter sword model in ultimate. It would give him so many more options and open up his gameplay styles etc so much more.

I know you were kinda joking but you still said a lot of misleading stuff (or straight up lied) about Cloud to make him look more op that he actually is. I know everybody say this but you just need to learn the match up. Is not like you're playing against a top player if you lose every time against Cloud you're probably doing something wrong.

Also I love to play against Cloud it feels like a challenge for a change

@tekklover1489

7 жыл бұрын

Joshed George yeah it's eather get juggled and die at 70% cause of limit or gimp cloud at 20% and win

@gjisahappytoad9408

7 жыл бұрын

+Ken Berndt Or git gud and win like a normal person and not because the opponent was bad

@toaddan3785

7 жыл бұрын

"git gud" only goes so far.

@MajiriTadakichi

7 жыл бұрын

+Joshed George getting gimped as Cloud doesn't mean your Cloud is bad

@metaprism1

7 жыл бұрын

+Ken Berndt either*

Cloud is like Melee fox. Nothing about him is broken, but his tools are just very good. And like fox, he has a glaring weakness. Cloud has terrible recovery and he is easily gimpable. Once you get him off the stage he is done for. It all comes down to your skill to dodge his attacks and juggle him. Yes, his up air is really stupid, but smash requires you to exploit your aerials anyways. So I say it's fine.

@giancarlocaballero7684

5 жыл бұрын

Um, Melee Shine was INCREDIBLY stupid

I hated fighting against clouds, but hen it changed when bayonetta came.

I use Cloud as a secondary and I just wanna say Cloud has end lag at the end of Finishing Touch and he has a bad recovery that doesn't latch to the ledge without limit, just saying.

Still not as bad as BAYO FUCKING NETTA though. Seriously FUCK BAYONETTA!

@JosepiThe13th

7 жыл бұрын

Wicked Bat But Bayonetta has poor frame data and no where close to the range or kill power that Vooud has

@hyperssr

7 жыл бұрын

And she got the BIGGEST NERF in sm4sh history. Maybe its because you play Falcon and he loses to Bayo

@Mrfanofsonic

7 жыл бұрын

Wicked Bat Git gud, just counterpick.

@babulbi

7 жыл бұрын

+DATDUMBDOG two 'fast' moves. wow. in average she still has bad frame data.

@tbanderr

7 жыл бұрын

Bayonaise

Finishing touch can't be punished? I can't tell you how many times I've missed a finishing touch and just had the opponent sit there, watch a star wars marathon, then punish me, it is the lagiest move in history

you are so funny dude, keep the good work, i like to play Cloud so much and this video makes me laugh so hard xD.

Looks like someone got beat by too many FG Clouds lmao.

I think you're taking this a bit overboard, and if I mained Bowser Jr., I'd probably hate Cloud and we all know why. Regardless, I do believe Cloud is top tier, but first, his fair isn't good, hitbox doesn't last, and it comes out frame 16. Secondly, you claimed Finishing Touch to be unpunishable, which is completely false, since it deals 1% of shield stun, and it has much more startup than rest, frame 16 as opposed to frame 2. You didn't mention his poor grab game either, but this is a rant, so you don't have to say his weaknesses. Regardless, I just want people to be quiet because I feel like Cloud will get nerfed by Nintendo on the Switch because a bunch of whiner babies told Sakurai, so don't give them a reason please, thanks and bye.

@giancarlocaballero7684

5 жыл бұрын

It's not "whiny", it is justified criticism and complaints about a character who's main weaknesses are easily overlooked when you give him chargeable limit. At least he is confirmed to be nerfed.

That Thumbnail is lovely❤️❤️❤️❤️

Probably the reason why Cloud is so awesome is because Nintendo didn't want to disappoint fans who REALLY anticipated cloud in smash 4. I mean just imagine the uproar and rage if they made cloud a really low tier or even heck, a low-ish, medium-ish tier.

Oh yeah...that's some good salt....

do you know anything about cloud.

Cloud's jab is good until you learn how to run up, powershield-grab it. Any character with decent frame data can do it before the second kick comes out. Even if you can't grab him inbetween, the best thing he can do once it's shielded is mix up between doing the 3rd hit or just returning to neutral

finishing touch comes out slow so it's easy to shield it on the ground and punish easy since it has lots of end lag. in the air however it's still hard to land

I want to hear a rant about brawl meta knight

There were so many things wrong with this video... as someone who knows a lot about the character. First off, finishing touch has a ton of lag and most of Clouds moves are easily punishable, especially if you anticipate him going for a jab. Also, FT and forward smash are both really slow and easy to avoid if you know what you're doing. Cloud is top tier, but exaggerating all his strengths and ignoring his weaknesses to make him look broken just isn't right or fair.

You should've add some tilts and better gameplay to show off how stupid up air or limit crossslash is... I mean 3 up airs can true combo to each other and you can juggle after that autocancel down air combos into limit side B and Down B Nair combos into Side B with ease and so on.

Anybody else stop raging long enough to notice the semi-transparent Fox at the beginning?

He would be easy to balance. Make him slow! Realistically, that giant sword would be making so much air resistance! Make his attacks have longer end lag, or start up lag, or lag in general.

Cloud was and is the first and only Smash character I've ever hated

@Spingerex

6 жыл бұрын

Zaire Hamilton,Mario,Cloud,Luigi,the list goes on for me.

@cable_yours_truly

6 жыл бұрын

Elijah Bradshaw why Luigi and not bayo

@Spingerex

6 жыл бұрын

Caleb,because Bayonetta isn't as much of a scrub-food character unlike Luigi,who's Up-B can take a stock easily,I can't even remember how many FG Luigis spammed a bombardment of fireballs that forced me to approach and shield,allowing them to go in for the typical "Grab&DownThrow,F-Air,F-Air,Up-Air,Up-Air,Up-B".So I say this character is ridiculously easy to use,Bayonetta however...she requires skill,but is still somewhat scrub-friendly.

@gbird.

5 жыл бұрын

Caleb Luigi is one of the most dishonest characters

man...now im gonna use this vid for my eggs from now on doesnt seem like the salt mine will ever run dry

He should also have a Monado Art that combines the advantages gained from all Monado Arts into one, permanent, Super Monado Art.