The case for Demetrious Johnson as the GOAT…
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Chael Sonnen talks Demetrious Johnson headlining ONE's U.S. debut, and more on this episode of Beyond the Fight.on this episode of Beyond the Fight
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-12 title victories in the Ufc (Most in history) -ONE Championship Gran Prix champion -Current ONE Flyweight Champion (135 pounds) -Dominated his division for nearly 6 years. -Two weight class world champion across two major global promotions I don't think people give Mighty Mouse the credit he deserves in favor of his contemporaries, GSP and Jon Jones. Truth of the matter is that he has performed (and excelled) at the highest of levels time and time again. With no blemishes or controversies, he should be in everyone's top 3, hands down.
@thelastmarketbender8656
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And does things no1 can't
@amateurmarketreviews1980
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@@thelastmarketbender8656 That flying armbar is legendary
@Samuel-yt9ty
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And no juice
@ts0088
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Facts
@ts0088
Жыл бұрын
@@Samuel-yt9ty Facts. Not like JBJ.
DJ is the real life version of what we all thought Bruce Lee was before the MMA became mainstream.
@m.zurifadils.1171
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@@vincevegas8529 never seen anyone said he's 113, he's in the range of 130-165 which is definitely believable
@redbaron5308
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@@vincevegas8529nobody laughs at Karate you’re delusional.
@Cagefighter209
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@@vincevegas8529 yeah ur w clown dude would fuck u up 🤣🤣
@darkoale3299
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@@vincevegas8529 You've been laughing at the karate that's been used to great effect in modern UFC?
@darkoale3299
Жыл бұрын
@@vincevegas8529 Machida? Wonderboy?
This dude has never had reach or height over 99% of his opponents and manages to outmaneuver them..... that's greatness
@badfoody
Жыл бұрын
Moraes was effin jacked. and DJ played with him like he was a black belt stress testing a white belt
@OdenDChad
Жыл бұрын
If you are grappler you want to be shorter as for stirking yea it helps alot. Depends what is your speciality.
@hakaishinkage9899
11 ай бұрын
@@OdenDChadDJ's speciality is kicking ass. On the feet or on the ground
@J.Lee-xv6wb
9 ай бұрын
real life Vegeta.
@lordjaraxxus663
6 ай бұрын
"if youre a grappler you want to be shorter" no you dont, thats a fucking meme, which youre repeating mindlessly. It just so happens that if youre short you must know grappling to even be in the UFC. @@OdenDChad
Imagine you have 16 title defense then the ufc replaced you with ben askren 🤦♂️
@landenx
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Ass cream*
@BloodDjimon614
Жыл бұрын
Worst trade since the Detroit Pistons traded away Chauncey Billups for Allen Iverson.
@SpiceBoy7UK23
Жыл бұрын
The worst piece of business Dana ever made. The only person who benefited from this was Jorge 😃
@AKMEraps
Жыл бұрын
Ben Askren was an undefeated world champion and no question who sold more PPVs... You dummies.
@calebsilver6333
Жыл бұрын
Cant lie that trade created jorge Masvidal and which lead to one of the fastest KO ever seen and the bmf belt fun fight. I think it was an awesome trade. Would i like him back sure but he would have never allowed moreno/deiveson story to be created and everyone wanted to see 4 of those for some reason… not me… but is what it is…. But on the otherhand im weird so i wanted ben askren to win truthfully and i would have loved to see him defeat usman. That would have been amazing just because ben is a funny guy. Either way i think it was a win win
A lot of casual fans forget about DJ. He's on the top of my list. He did and is doing things that we've never seen. The title defenses, the gas tank, leaving UFC and winning another world championship. He's the Greatest Ever
@darkoale3299
Жыл бұрын
@@Gustafchef The lazy man's argument.
@makar_halaman
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@Забивняра ◀️🤡 clown spotted
Absolutely he’s in the conversation, his body of work in UFC was enough for that, since leaving UFC he’s won a belt at 135, officially making him a 2 belt world champion, he then went on to beat one of the greatest strikers in Rodtang. A generational talent. It was a mixed rules fight, round one was striking. Most people don’t make it out of the first round with Rodtang. Life long, Muay Thai fighters contending for belts get stopped. He is easily top 5. Pound for pound skillset and athleticism, he is the GOAT
@BestPropTutorials
Жыл бұрын
Even though the second round was easy work, that Rodtang fight may be my favorite DJ fight because it showed that not only is DJ a wrestler, but he was able to go a competítive round with the GOAT Muay Thai artist. DJ is the essence of what it means to mix martial arts and can compete in any martial art at a high level.
@johnboy1760
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@@BestPropTutorials I agree, it was very much a foregone conclusion once they got to that MMA round, but it was very much a question of, could he survive a round with Rodtang, going all out to stop him. That was essentially Jon Jones being stuck in a 3 minute grappling match with Gordon Ryan, or a 3 minute boxing match with prime Ali. It was a brilliant spectacle that frankly I don’t see many other top fighters doing.
@Manderenn
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@@BestPropTutorials rodtang is not the GOAT of Muay Thai
@BestPropTutorials
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@@Manderenn 🙄 lol dude that is such an annoying comment. The point of my post was the fact DJ could hang with Rodtang is extremely impressive. Not whether Rodtang is the GOAT or not. I was using the word GOAT very loosely.
I'm not sure we will ever see a more skilled MMA practitioner than DJ. DJ is the pinnacle of peak MMA ability.
@ammaarc_
Жыл бұрын
Jonny bones 👋
@Steven-mk4gg
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@Ammaar Jon Jones is definitely one of the greatest to ever do the dang thang. That said, as skilled as JBJ is, he still doesn't compare with DJ. Same can be said for GSP, although I would still say GSP is still overall more "skilled" than JBJ. That said, I think JBJ, even though he might be the "least skilled" of the three, which is very relative bc Jones is still HIGHLY skilled, I believe JBJ is best overall "fighter" of the three.
@rman229
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@@Steven-mk4gg bones has that maliciousness in the ring
@BahamasMusicLasers
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@@Steven-mk4gg I understand and agree to an extent. but out of the 3, DJ has always been the one with the least advantages... continuously. He doesn't have the reach advantage that JBJ usually has in his bouts. That should count for something.
@darkoale3299
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@@ammaarc_ Not even close
GSP did say on a Joe Roegan podcast that if he had to say one and only one, it would be DJ.
@darkoale3299
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Joe was right this time. Joe also said Masvidal is better than GSP in his prime...
@SpiceBoy7UK23
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@@darkoale3299 Joe wasn’t right or wrong. Read what I wrote mate. I said “ GSP made this statement”.
DJ is the best we have seen in our lifetimes. He has proven it time and time again. Idc what anyone says, ONE has stronger fighters because they cover everywhere that isn't the U.S. look at time and time again where UFC fighters come to ONE and get totally washed. DJ made the jump, started from the bottom of the division rather than the top where he belonged, he even took on Rodtang in that super fight where the whole first round was Muay Thai rules and still won that shit. The man is almost 40 and has never been so on top of his game. DJ is the best, and he will continue to be the best.
@daquaviousbingleton7471
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Lets put Jon Jones against "Rodtang" and see what happens
@dannyshroyer5770
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@@daquaviousbingleton7471 well Jones would win because he weighs alot more and Rodtang doesn't know how to wrestle and we saw the result of him going against a wrestling expert like DJ. I bet tho if Rodtang did do some wrestling training and went into MMA he would be one of the baddest ever. His fight IQ is rediculous for Muay Thai, and I bet he would master wrestling just as much if he really focused on it
@redbill7154
11 ай бұрын
@@daquaviousbingleton7471Let's see Jones cut that much weight... 😅
When starting a GOAT discussion, you MUST first consider GSP, Bones, Mighty Mouse, and Anderson. You might wind up with a different name at the end, but those guys MUST be considered. Also, Demetrious did the suplex/arm-bar, as Chael pointed out.
@seraph...4473
Жыл бұрын
I personally feel like the GOAT conversation in MMA has moved on from GSP and Anderson. I think the only real considerations are Jones, Khabib, and Mighty Mouse. With a small gap between Jones/Khabib, and Mighty Mouse. Thats just me personally. I dont think GSP and Anderson are elligible anymore.
@kingcrimson3882
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@@seraph...4473 They are very much eligible. Only ww and mw who can challenge their goat status are Usman and Israel respectively but honestly I think the recency bias has put them too high. Look at Joe's comments on Masvidal being on the same level as Gsp. The sport has changed but you can't compare 3 title defences to 10, no matter how much more competitive the division is compared to how it was.
@JDP000109
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@@seraph...4473 I love Khabib but I don’t think he deserves to be in the same conversation as Jon, DJ, and GSP.
@bretoncristobal
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@@seraph...4473 i think khabib might be the most dominant during a fight, but i just cant put him in the goat conversation above jones and mighty mouse. The number of title defenses they have accomplished needs to mean something. I think Volkanovski is above khabib too. khabib was the most dominant one in the ring. Just didnt stay enough for goat status.
@seraph...4473
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@@kingcrimson3882 Thats only for weightclass specific goats. PFP Khabib and Jones stand alone imo. We arent talking mw/ww, and we arent talking peak skill level. We are talking about what these competitors actually achieved in a PFP context. Under those conditions its my opinion that really the only two choices are Khabib, or Jones.
I think another thing that needs to be considered is not just the number of title defenses but how those defenses were won. GSP was amazing, but he had something like 7 title defenses in a row that he won by decision. He dominated in those fights, but he stopped even attempting to finish fights literally years before he retired. Demetrius doesn't have as clean a record, but he finishes or attempts to finish all of his opponents. That should carry some weight in the conversation.
DJ is truly always underrated and never given the credit he truly deserves. I remember watching his 1st fight against cejudo. He is 1000% a GOAT level fighter
@swim9361
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people say he doesnt have the resume, but thats only because the flyweight division was “unknown” compared to lw or lhw (at the time) dj fought nothing but killers
@michaelmcclenon6663
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Its the fact no one sees a lil guy as a goat.
@littlemichaeljr6518
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@@michaelmcclenon6663 fr, they rather see the biggest as the goat aka Jon Jones but to be fair they're both up there tbh
I've been arguing this for years. He is the GOAT. It isn't even a debate for me. When you look at his CONSISTENCY for the past almost 15 years and the absolute insane top tier names he has put down and done it in highlight reel fashion it's just a no brainer. The list of guys he has beaten and number of title defenses is staggering. He is the unfortunate recipient of happening to be a smaller guy, which unfairly carries the stigma of not being as valued as much as the heavier guys. That is why people don't give him his dues as much as they should, and it's sad.
@daquaviousbingleton7471
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Well I think it makes logical sense to not value little guys in fighting as much, the same way we dont value WNBA players as much when discussing whos the best bssketball players
@chipchippahson
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@@daquaviousbingleton7471 That is a terrible false equivalent. One is comparing different sizes but equal or greater skill levels, the other is comparing two different genders and skill levels. It makes no logical sense whatsoever. Mighty Mouse has a higher skill cap than any of the heavyweights Women in the WNBA can't even dunk.
@daquaviousbingleton7471
Жыл бұрын
@@chipchippahson well both the WNBA and combat sports weight classes separate people by physical traits to make them able to compete at a high level despite not being among the absolute best at that sport. Which is totally reasonable, but then you have people like Floyd Mayweather or DJ saying they're "the best fighters ever" which is just nonsense
@chipchippahson
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@@daquaviousbingleton7471 Dude, I hate to tell you buuuuut. There is no such thing as weight classes in the WNBA. Literally nothing you are saying makes any sense. Are you alright?
@davidbrawner7679
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Nailed it!
The fact that he practiced and landed a mid air arm bar is what puts him at #1 for me
Chael Sonnen is the Goat… don’t let him fool you
DJ was one of the few guys who became champ & kept getting better. Like most guys become champ & have way less finishes cause you only fighting top guys. DJ became champ & started finishing everybody. Even his rematches he’d struggled first fight & destroyed them rematches. Just kept growing. Only rematch he didn’t was obviously Henry which was close then Henry followed up by knocking out TJ & Dom a division above.
@oscaratriano8534
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Thing is he knocked Henry out clean first fight and second fight was close as shit
Chael was polite enough to lose and give DJ a shot. Real King shit right there.
I would say that Mighty Mouse is by far one of the most underrated goats. I feel like everyone says that tho which means he realistically is one of the goats in the eyes of the public, but still I feel like he deserves more recognition than he gets.
The sequence he got the finish with in the Moraes rematch was beautiful.
Mighty Mouse is an encyclopedia of unarmed combat. He is one of my all time favorites.
Lord Chael is so humble. We all know he’s the GOAT, but he goes out of way to shine the light on others. Be like Chael!
DJ is the GOAT and will be the GOAT.
God bless Mighty! UFC better put respect in his name & put that Goat in the Hall of Fame!! ASAP!!
Dj is fighting much bigger guys right now and he can still knock them out that's impressive.
Respect to Trinidad. Thanks for mentioning him, Uncle Chael
Chael "p4p isn't a real thing" Also Chael "I take the p4p conversation extremely seriously "
"Trinidad whipped his ass in his prime" Isn't that the fight where De La Hoya clearly beat him for 8 rounds, and then spent the next 4 refusinf to engage, and just running from him. The judges were so disgusted, they gave the fight to Trinidad. That is not whipping his ass lol.
I agree , the suspence is crazy
When do they fight
I honestly don’t know how the UFC can market Sterling as the best bantamweight in the world, or anyone on the UFC’s Bantamweight roster for that matter, when Djs fighting at 135 over at ONE.. *And* was Champ for 5 years straight before going to ONE- Then got a decent 3-1 record there before becoming Champ again haha
The splitting hairs between Bones, GSP, DJ, two of those did it without defeating themselves like Jon did. Between DJ and GSP, DJ striking is just flat out another level than GSP. His movement. His chain finishes, from feet to ground. Ultimately both imo are some of the Goats.
I mean you, THE Chael Sonnen, never so much as lost a round, let alone a match. So my GOAT, numerically speaking, is probably you.
People will doubt DJ now because he’s at ONE yet they have arguably a more stacked Low Weight Roster.
@blaynegreiner9365
9 ай бұрын
Their lower weight class roster is definitely more stacked in my opinion
Chael how do you know about a centerfold???
It’s not even debatable. He did all the without cheating and staying true to himself.
Ahh DJ, forever my GOAT. 😌
Good pull with the Trinidad reference. Forgot all about him but remember watching many of his fights.
@tahoehigh8298
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Trinidad had a left hook that was just plain devastating. Tito lost something in the Hopkins fight that he never got back though.
With that kind of armbar midway in air, u have to put him among top 5 GOATS
Chael s the GOAT.
I think one of the main reasons that he's commonly left out of the conversation is because of the lack of depth at 125. And a peripheral reason is because DJ was never a draw, even though that shouldn't matter if you're assessing performance. He was defending his title on fight night cards because no one watched his fights.
@Art-vz6qh
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In general smaller guys just have less mainstream appeal. It's a lot harder for more casual fans to get into a 5'4 guy vs say somebody Brock Lesnar's size.
@littlemichaeljr6518
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he's the greatest, best, biggest and most iconic fight night card fighter ever of all time in ufc and mma
Chael, wrong on the Trinidad De La Hoya fight. Foreman was a commentator and was saying in the first 3/4 of the fight that Trinidad looked like a sparring partner because De La Hoya was piecing him up. He was robbed in that fight. Watch the fight again it’s been a minute.
No fighter has entertained more fans inside & out of the octagon than our beloved UNCLE CHAEL P. SONNEN
That flying arm bar still has me scratching my head
I swear chael jim cornette and brian last ..i could listen to for hours..the passion and knowledge alone..my god
DJ simply is the goat, I am unsure how anyone could really deny that. The closest 2nd is Jon Jones but he has had popped for PED's removing him from the conversation imo.
Now you also have to mention him when speaking of buakaw senchai and rodtang also. Now that is a feat.
No worries, we've seen this time and time again... when DJ retires is when he gets his full rose bed.I dont even see how you can argue his GOAT-dom when the man has competed in the top of the top for so long, no breaks, no controversies, multiple weight classes. Dana proved why he doesn't gets that acknowledgement... he's a smaller class.
Dj is the Goat he done did that along time ago in the ufc. Hes just now doing side missions for fun 🤷🏾♂️ fighting people who 135 but whose knows on fight night. He real life David beating up Golaiths
The goat discussion imo comes down to JJ, GSP, and DJ as top 3. Just depends on what you value most.
I feel like in a few weeks or months we will need to have this discussion for Cejudo as well.
@romanvercier3556
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Probably. Imagine he goes up and win against Volk. Damn.
@cecilevans9247
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@@romanvercier3556 I saw someone online say that, that would still not put him above Jones. I understand Jones couldn't win 3 different weight divisions. But not only will Henry have won belts in 3 divisions, he would likely be the first ever double champ champ. He will have beaten the best ever for 3 different divisions. That would push him over the top.
@littlemichaeljr6518
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@@cecilevans9247 you mean triple champ champ champ and yes you're right though other than that. if he beats Alex he truly is and if he beats Alex it becomes a question of if he can beat Islam cause many say Alex beat Islam and it did look that way in a way and perspective so if he's a four division champ it's undeniable
Thoughts on Jason Goldstriker vs Hassan Piker? Sam is unstoppable.
1. Felix Trinidad is considered one of the greatest boxers of any generation. 2. It is widely known and accepted in the boxing community (and anyone who watched the fight) that Trinidad did not whoop DLH's ass and was gifted the decision, despite DLH cruising the final rounds. 3. DLH is more talked about because he was the first 6-division champion and former gold medalist, who accomplished it without catch weights and draining (unlike a later 8-division champion did).
@michaelmcclenon6663
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Whats a dlh
@aim6613
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@@michaelmcclenon6663 It's an Oscar "De La Hoya." I thought I typed his name before the abbreviation somewhere in there, guess not.
@littlemichaeljr6518
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Oscar De La Hoya is iconic same with Felix Trinidad. damn those are great boxers. remember floyd vs Oscar?
'Whipped his ass' 😂
Dj is THE 🐐 idc. I stand on it. With 100 reasons why. If jon Jones and dj were the same size, dj takes it
No heavyweight in the UFC has had a longer winning streak after becoming champion than three. Compare that to Fedor, who beat six (!) UFC heavyweight champions and who after winning the PRIDE championship continued on to win his next 18 fights. I can't imagine we will ever see that again. Maybe someone knows who the next best fighter is at beating UFC heavyweight champions. It just gets harder the bigger they are in heavier classes to stay on top for a long period of time compared to the lighter weight classes. After Fedor the PRIDE championship he didn't lose for over seven years while facing not just MMA/UFC champions but among others also World Youth sambo Champion Arlowski, olympian wrestler Coleman, bronze medalist in World IBJJF Jiu-Jitsu Championship (black belt) Nogueira and K-1 World Grand Prix kickboxing champion Cro cop.
I'm 35 me an my brother use to try mad shit after seeing a movie flying kicks an all 😂😂😂
If DJ v. TJ would have happened, and DJ won. I cannot see how he wouldn’t be discussed as the greatest of all time. But we got robbed.
@conor-_C
Жыл бұрын
cause dj wouldn't take it
@Phillydrone215
Жыл бұрын
I dont think they should even be in the same conversation tj should be thankful they never met in that octagon
@conor-_C
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@@Phillydrone215 at ban weight he may of beat him
@Phillydrone215
Жыл бұрын
@@conor-_C dj fights as a flyweight at 135 bantam is a different story but i still gota give it to mighty mouse you watch that rodtang fight?
@TheMMMAFAQ
Жыл бұрын
@@conor-_C DJ wanted it, but he just wanted insurance that TJ could make 125 and surprise surprise, TJ couldn't make the weight without taking special supplements and he was still very compromised. Dana wasn't willing to pay dJ what he wanted for that fight
Might is the goat in general!!! The worlds best mma fighter argument as well
Only fighters can appreciate DJ. He is the most skilled, however, little guys always finish last in the discussion. Henry is also overlooked because of size. A 6'4"" DJ is a problem and could beat Jones. GSP is not at DJ's level in terms of skill. Pound for pound should start in light heavy because they can beat the classes below and above. There is no way DJ or GSP is beating Jones even after a month of partying. Unless the fix is in, no way DJ should lose,
Dana really “screwed the pooch” when he traded DJ
Chael is selling us Monster energy drinks and the "Idol" from Raiders of The Lost Ark!
Trinidad is still worshipped in his homeland of Puerto Rico. Living Legend
Pound for Pound goat at this moment.
Chael finally settled this debate for me .
UFC needs to bring back DJ and right the wrong they did to the living legend.
MM so damn good
Thumbnail looks like Chael is firing a Final Flash
GOAT ! GOAT ! GOAT !
DJ had the perfect mind for unarmed combat, and didn't even realize it until he was crowned champion of the world
would it be more appropriate to have not one goat, but one goat for each fight style? I find it difficult to limit it to 1
The UFC is such a brand that if it's not happening there it ain't happening. GOATS will only be those fighting out of the UFC.
4:59 of the fifth round, consecutive title defenses, fought a pre-injury Cruz to decision, it's quite the resume. You have to give the man his respect... unless your name is Dana 😉
DJ is the GOAT why no pico grams , all around smart fighter, CHAMPION is SEVERAL Fight Companies UFC ONE etc, and great to listen to his articulation of the MMA sport, oh HE WAS CHEATED on triple poopy C DJ WON!!!!
Felix "Tito" Trinidad. Vicious, deadly left hook.
Finally, always said he’s either the goat or tied for GOAT. Cant STAND how everyone puts GSP above him 🤦🏼
He is the goat
They say the smaller they get the better they get. Dj dominated the small guys. The one true goat
@blaynegreiner9365
9 ай бұрын
I hear that all the time and yet You have people like the comment right above this lol
Yup!
Chael "IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS" Sonnen
DJ is the GOAT!!!
DJ is the GOAT
Unfortunately, an active champion can deplete his entire division's contenders. Then fans start criticizing the quality of the flyweights. They say things like, "He should get a title in another weight class." Might Mouse is probably my choice for greatest. I just wish he got paid more. It is a joke how little he got paid during his reign.
Just beat somebody ass in ufc 4 playing as lord Chael Sonnen praise god
DJ is my G.O.A.T.
I havnt watched the video yet it’s loading but I can just say from the tag how do you call him a goat when you got triple ccc there.
DJ went to another promotion and pretty much built it. I love watching thse little guys fight. Dana fumbled there. Fuck figgy vs moreno.
Lol he’s definately the goat. One in a billion warrior
I thought de la Hoya was robbed badly in that Trinidad fight
There’s only one goat and he goes by the name of Chael P Sonnen.
Damn Jesse making me pour out some of my 40 por el chiquilin Cejudo.
How much juice? Chael: yes
There is a difference between greatest and best
DJ is the goat. no peds prove me wrong.
Shout out to Black Belt Magazine!
PEOPLE tell me 2 great win in DJ,s resume beside henry
4:44 Chael could’ve said “I think he came up with it on his own” but Chael is always putting things so eloquently lmao
as a short dude hes definitely the goat in my biased opinion lol
DJ has the second best resume in ufc history
The case for DJ is good but Jon Jones is still the GOAT for me. DJ is def top 5 tho.
In my mind there are only two real goat contenders, on opposite sides of weight and style, it’s either Fedor or Demetrious Johnson. Johnson is the most technically precise fighter in the sport’s history. A lot of that comes from his size, he has a dexterity advantage due to simply having less body to deal with while setting up crazy moves. In the pure technique NOBODY steps up to Mighty Mouse. Fedor on the other hand is an entirely type of fighter. He is also a very sharp fighter on the technical side, Sambo ain’t no joke, but it’s his raw strength and toughness that makes him untouchable. He hits harder, and swallows up hits easier, and that makes getting over on him basically just luck. He’s built like a keg, is as strong as a keg, but isn’t clunky like the outdated oversized heavies of the freakshow days. I can’t decide between the two. They represent the platonic idea of two different types.