Just a comment from an English man, my uncle ( now deceased ) worked in an engineering factory so had a reserved occupation so wasn’t allowed to join the army, however he did join the home guard and I can confirm that he had a carving knife taped to a broom handle as his only means of stopping the panzers if they ever came, but later in the war he had a smle

Point worth noting; according to a PhD historian who did his doctoral thesis on the equipment of the British Home Guard, the P.17 rifles (chambered for .30/06) which were shipped over in 1940 were only old in terms of their date of manufacture - 1917-19. The key point about them was that they had *never* been fired, nor even issued - but had been carefully coated with a protective grease, and then gone direct into US government arsenals. In effect, when they were issued to our Home Guard units, they were brand new rifles. I grant you, that in the spring of 1940, both regular Army units and Home Guard units were short of all sorts of small arms - but to suggest that we were reduced to "longbows out of museums, and rocks", is a bloody insult, and a lie.

@andrewjones5513

5 ай бұрын

I think someone has been watching bednobs and broomsticks

@jonathanlewis453

4 ай бұрын

The war had been running over six months by the time of the shipment in May 1940 and the stories of pikes and Molotov cocktails, not to mention shotguns are true in the interim.

@misha5670

4 ай бұрын

I never said reduced to bows and/or rocks.

@M1903a4

4 ай бұрын

@@misha5670 yeah, ya did around 7:49

@christhorpejunction8982

4 ай бұрын

South Cave platoon with 100 members had one BAR for every 3-4 men, rest had red band Enfields, the platoon had several fougasses in position and also had a Browning water cooled 30cal MMG. Calibre across the lot was 30.06. The unit at Brough who spent their working hours building Swordfish and Spitfires had a few quad Marlins.

I have a pre war produced, all matching never redurbed lend lease M1. Has the remnants of the red paint and British proofs as well.

The US Army/Marine Corp had the best rifle of WW2. Every other major participant nation issued bolt action rifles to the vast majority of their troops. US troops had a very reliable semiautomatic rifle from the onset of the war (The Marines were a little slow adopting them but they were available). Granted there were other nations with semiautomatic designs, the Germans eventually developed the first assault rifle, but their numbers were limited and the majority of troops were still carrying bolt actions by wars end. I really like the Garand and the British lend/lease rifles are an interesting subset.

Busting out the WW2 American arms at around 46:00 is a real treat and I appreciate the effort you put in.

@misha5670

5 ай бұрын

haha thanks yeah that was a bit of walking back-forth that afternoon. I was trying to think of ways to make it more interesting visually.

No one wants to sell a original WW2 any firearm but I agree with you on your purchase. You can always get another one if you don't have to wait too long for the price to continue to go up. Great day to you and thank you for sharing this with us. 😊

Great video with reference to the firearms. But "give obsolete weapons"? "give"? No, at great financial cost. Some of these debts were not repaid until the 21st Century when the final instalments were received by the USA.

Thank You Misha Love The .276 Pedersen Cartridge and The Toggle Lock Pedersen Rifle He Designed Too Compete With The Garand Rifle 😀😊😀

You sir are a superhuman and one of my favorite you tube channels. I dont know how anyone is able to have so much knowledge on guns and other military paraphernalia. I just dont know how you are able to do it

Dieppe raid! They were used by some of the assault troops .

I had a 1941 lend lease that went to England came back!!! It was a cream puff in beautiful shape I paid 600 for it I think sorry I sold it

I love listing to all your milsurp and ak vids but I have to limit myself on calibers. As much as I could care about owning this rifle… hell yeah I want to learn about it. Damn you rule misha

I've got a couple Savage lend-lease Enfields and a lend-lease 1911. Very nice firearms, glad I got in on some of that before prices went crazy. I think the 1911 spent its time sitting in a drawer, it and the canvas holster are just like new.

Guess what… after watching the Classic Firearms podcast episode featuring Mr. Ian McCollum from Forgotten Weapons… Mr. Ian’s favorite military rifle is the M1 Garand, because especially the history behind the Garand. For instance that the original 1924 Garand was primer actuated until being changed with the standard fixed primer cartridges for logistics purposes and the same ammo used for the machine guns. And even more obscure being the mysterious 7th round stoppage during the test trial until being tweaked and ultimately being adopted in 1936. And lastly… several other rifles tried to compete with the Garand but failed because of mainly the too little too late thing. And the M1 Garand being the primary inspiration for the AK.

Very cool interesting rifle

I think that grandpa did what the m1 but the British army did not want him using to much ammunition

The Garand is nice but in todays price for a Garand $1400, I rather buy an FAL much better. I am Not saying that it would not be nice to own a Garand

@garysarratt1

5 ай бұрын

Get both if you have time.

@Purpmaster

5 ай бұрын

$1400 won’t even get you close to a good collector grade M1 now days. It will get you a decent post war refurbished M1 though.

@AlanRoehrich9651

4 ай бұрын

You don't buy a Garand for the same reason you buy an FAL, an HK, etc.

@marckcarbonelloifveteran410

4 ай бұрын

@@garysarratt1 yes, one at the time. Their prices are high.

@garyfullmer4353

4 ай бұрын

​@@Purpmastermany people don't care about a collector grade garand. They just want a good shooter that they can have fun with and have in their collection.

I love my Lend Lease Garand. October 1941 date.

@thommccann1770

4 ай бұрын

Have a December 1941 from my father.

Great video, really enjoying it until you started talking about ammo. The original 30/06 load the Garand was designed around after the mandated change to 30/06 was the .30 M1 Ball round. It was loaded with a 177.4gr bullet at 2640fps producing 50,000 CUP pressure (61,40psi). Anything with a lighter bullet and around the same velocity is fine to fire in your M1. I have 4 of them including a Mkll, Mod 1 in 308. Yes 308 as marked on it's barrel manufactured by AMF. Since 1972 they all have had many thousands of commercial rounds thru them and even more of my handloads when I was shooting NM back in the day.I am partial to a 125-130gr bullet with a charge of Benchmark powder but have used 168gr SMK's without a problem. Included in my post is a link to GarandGear that produces a gas plug that is hollowed out like the one used on the M14 (M1a). It is non adjustable but increases the area of volume in front of the gas piston cushioning the initial gas impulse on the oprod which is what will damage it. Check it out for your self, readings were directly taken from a pressure transducer screwed into the gas plug and high speed photography was used to compare the bolt velocity. Many brands of commercial ammo was listed and tested against M2 Ball. All my Garands have one installed and I've had no problems in all these years. www.garandgear.com/the-m1-garand-and-commercial-ammunition/

I have my fathers from about 1960. Took me awhile to determine what it was. Was even told there was no such thing. No locking bar sight, but still has the front site plug in it. This is a 1941 December based on the ssn.

Wow, i didnt know that the FN 49 was used in the Korean war. Goodn to know. And no the markings wouldnt bug me at all.

@misha5670

5 ай бұрын

Yeah, probably one of the newest guns to see any frontline service in that war. Keep in mind that just because it started in 1950, doesn't mean the FN49 was there immediately. Things didn't start settling down there until half way through 1953, so plenty of time for the new FNH to get over to SE Asia.

I still consider getting a CMP M1 Garand. Pricy.

Interesting and true phenomenon regarding current imports being less desirable in the eyes of many C&R collectors. I remember when everyone was neutering their Romy dongs as well. I wonder if the Carcano will ever appreciate noticeably..maybe the last cheap WW2 rifles but I don’t know if they will ever get much love due to their uncommon caliber and sort of crummy construction compared to all the others except maybe the roughest mosins. Hard to predict.

@WastelandArmorer

5 ай бұрын

Carcano carbines were over 300$ about 10ish years ago. I think they will eventually go up. Especially the ones in decent shape

@misha5670

5 ай бұрын

Yep, i remember that too. While the standard models are cheap, once you get into some of the more intresting variants like the original M1891TS or the Cav Carbine in 7.35? Those can bring decent moneys. I've had some of the early production long rifles with the gain twist rifling in good shape do well too.@@WastelandArmorer

I thought I had a gorgeous #4....

@misha5670

5 ай бұрын

I'm sure you do, cheers

Thanks, I learned a few things. Most of the Garands sent to Britian wound up in the Home Guard. Some of those were employed as the squad automatic weapon--"section" in British terminology. The US Army and Marines were planning to eliminate all BARs in the rifle company and the only two TO&E automatic weapons in the 1940 US Army rifle company were a pair of M1919A4 "light machine guns" in the weapons platoon. The reason the Garands were marked with red paint and ".300" was that all .30'06 weapons (M1917 rifles, BARs and Garands) were so marked. The 1940 USMC Small Wars Manual discussed task organizing the Marine Corps Rifle Squad (was in the process of transitioning from 9 Marines to 12 Marines and the platoon was going to three bigger squads from three rifle and one BAR squad, not completed before Guadalcanal) into two elements, each element with either a Thompson submachine gun, a BAR, or a Garand--and the rest of the squad armed with Springfield's. For counter-insurgency, the Corps felt that bolt action repeaters in trained hands had sufficient firepower and even the semiautomatic Garand was enough for the "automatic weapon" element. Back in the real, wartime world it was discovered that the revolutionary World War One French squad--two teams, one with a squad automatic weapon and the other a shock element armed with bayonet, grenades and rifles--needed a second automatic weapon. This weapon was usually a submachine gun in the hands of a squad leader and usually the squad leader was with the maneuver element. Planning to use the Garand as a squad automatic weapon proved impractical in real war, but it took time for the word to filter down--and the Home Guard was always starved of weapons. For close-range firepower, some Home Guard sections (US squads) used double barrel shotguns. A little-known fact is that the Garand was adopted to replace the M1903 Springfield Rifle, the BAR, and the few submachine guns that had leaked into Army service during the Thirties. US National Guard got the M1917 Enfield rifles, a more modern rifle than the M1903 Springfield--because there were less than a million Springfields but more than two million Enfields made. Based on the British Pattern 14 rifle, the US M1917 is actually a very good infantry rifle. I'm sorry that I had to give mine up while on active military service. Anyway, the National Guard needed weapons and the Enfield was available in mass quantities. The M1917 was standard issue to the Army of the Philippines. Enfields (and a few Garands) featured in the Battle of Athens, Tennessee in 1946. The Alaska Scouts were issued M1917 Enfields until replaced by M16A2 rifles. The many nations that got US M1917 rifles also got small numbers of M1 Garands, BARs, and Springfields--this included China. Home Guard units were used as cover for the Auxiliary Units, stay-behind guerrillas that were insurance against a German invasion of the British Isles. Auxiliary Units bled off some of their personnel into the Commandos and I've read of Commando units being armed with US small arms instead of British--but don't have the details. Some of those units used US weapons to include the Garand because that's what they were issued while Home Guard units. The First Special Services Force was a joint US/Canadian unit armed with US small arms and not really part of your story--except that some of those Canadians wound up in British units after the FSSF disbanded. I read about some Bristish special operations units armed with Garands working with US Army Rangers in Korea. A friend of mine who had been a Ranger in Korea mentioned working with British personnel at the time. I'm not surprised that the SAFN was first designed around the 7.92x57mm German round. British Tank Corps vehicles used the same cartridge for their tank machine guns. The US 7.62x63mm or .30-06 is 6mm longer, requiring a longer receiver. There was some talk of adopting the German cartridge for the BREN gun and for a new British service rifle in the early Thirties but NIH and stockpiles of .303 weapons and ammunition nixed that idea. The reason that the SAFN was made in .30-06 was that many nations had US weapons already (Garands, Springfields, Enfield M1917, BAR, M1919A4) and the US was a more reliable ammunition supply--and Germany had lost two world wars. I don't have the production figures but the two main SAFN calibers seem to have been .30-06 and 7mm Mauser. The magazine chargers (stripper clips) for the Springfield M1903 seem to have worked okay in the SAFN. Most of my information is rumor, gossip, and probable lies. Like the markings on those Lend-Lease rifles, there are a lot of stories--some factual.

@edjones7709

4 ай бұрын

The main reason they ended up with the Home Guard is that they were the main users of 30-06 ammo. The regulars used .303 and 7.92mm (BESA tank MGs).

@misha5670

4 ай бұрын

Regarding the FN49, 7.62x63 was the most produced version, with 8mm Mauser coming in second thanks to the Egyptian contracts.

If you look at auction history of the Russian capture kar98k's on GB they typically _sell_ for $600 - $800. (And I mean actual selling prices, not asking prices.) That's not anywhere near what non-Russian capture kar98k variants go for which can easily be in the thousands.

@misha5670

5 ай бұрын

They still have value and are worth something to a lot of folks. If the markings are intact, I tend to get around $1k for them. A mismatched K98 usually brings about $1.2k to $1.3k depending on a ton os factors.

@garymitchell5899

5 ай бұрын

Auctions don't have an asking price

@Mikhail-Tkachenko

5 ай бұрын

@@garymitchell5899 So on GB a listing can be both an auction with a simultaneous buy now price set.

@misha5670

4 ай бұрын

Yep, sure can, and a starting price and/or reserve too.@@Mikhail-Tkachenko

31 December 2006, Britain made a final payments of about $83m (£45.5m) to the US and about $23.6m to Canada. By the end of World War II Britain had amassed an immense debt of £21 billion. As a British tax payer the US benefitted far more from lend lease then we did

@robthebold4589

5 ай бұрын

Well, look at the bright side: you're not speaking German.

@edt8535

5 ай бұрын

Well you stayed afloat didn’t you? You didn’t have to take it.

@graememorris7820

4 ай бұрын

​@@edt8535You stayed afloat too. You may not have, had the Nazis got hold of "airstrip one" denying you a European base. Imagine the fate of the USA, had the Nazis doubled their industrial capacity and taken over the worlds largest fleet. Consider the advanced technology the Brits shared with the US including rader, sonar and jet engines. Think about the contribution the Brits made to the Manhatten project. Imagine a united Nazi Europe (including Russia) with ample resources in an alliance with Japan against the USA. Lend Lease was actually the USA's most sound investment. Not only was global disaster averted, you actually got your money back. Do you think you'll get back the money you are pumping into Ukraine ? Or Israel ? I guess it's only we Brits that pay.

@edt8535

4 ай бұрын

@@graememorris7820 great-start paying for your share of NATO now.

@graememorris7820

4 ай бұрын

​​​@@edt8535Outside the USA, we are the only country that does pay it's full contribution to NATO.

You didn’t talk about the civilian arms. Between 1940 and 1942, American sportsmen donated 25,343 weapons, sent to the UK Home Guard for the defense of Great Britain. After WW2, Britain destroyed those weapons, rather than returning them. Also all Garand’s adopted by the military are gas piston operated. The “gas trap” traps the gas at the end of the muzzle. The gas port has a port drilled at the muzzle end of the barrel, much simpler and faster to produce. Get the Bruce Canfield books, he’s the Guru.

One thing the Americans NEVER gave anything to the allies, they sold it to them and made a massive profit. "Thank you very much"

@tonyc223

4 ай бұрын

American lives where given . Rebuilt Germany ,Japan. Sad, the British are giving their nation to Muslims for free.

@jamescorley1899

4 ай бұрын

1:13 From d day till the end of the war we took double the casualties of all western allies combined ! We wrote off a lot dedt to our allies ! Some of our great allies owe us money from WW1!

@scottmcburney8938

4 ай бұрын

A whole bunch of graveyards in Europe, on behalf of those families I will say bugger off

Nice Garand, if i may ask what did you pay for this fine example? you have an awesome collection Misha. A bit off topic but i wwnt a P.U sniper so bad i can taste it lol. Most the ones i see for sale are fakes lol with reproduction scopes. I will continue to look none the less.

@misha5670

5 ай бұрын

It was part of a package deal, so hard to say what the M1 alone came to me for.

I like my Yugoslavian k98k poo poo.😅

@misha5670

5 ай бұрын

I like that variant too, interesting history.

@TheDiameter

5 ай бұрын

Yugo and Argentine anything are always interesting.

@alexprince9035

5 ай бұрын

Wish I had a Time Machine and went back in time and bought all the cheap k98 and mosins. Also would buy google stock

@misha5670

5 ай бұрын

Microsoft, Walmart, Apple..and a couple lousy ones too just so the Feds don't get to sussy.@@alexprince9035

Not to be THAT guy... but I couldn't see any of the markings you showed. Please how about some still close ups? If you can't figure out how to do that, a whiteboard with hand written examples would do.

@misha5670

4 ай бұрын

This i s as good as a blind guy can do *shrug*

Seriously. Where do you get your history from? ‘Didn’t have much to give them except longbows’. Most troops were evacuated from the piers into large ships and yes, that included the rifles if they had them. It wasn’t until later when the pier was destroyed and there was more urgency that their guns may have been left behind. If some 300,000 guns were simply left on the beach, do you not think that would be obvious in the photos from the aftermath and you wouldn’t see imagery of them coming off the ships, in England with their guns. Even if that had been the case, do you think that they only had enough guns to just go around at the beginning of the war? No surplus, say from the millions of SMLE’s and other model Enfields produced by then? Presumably the troops who went straight out to North Africa and the Far East only had bows and arrows too? Lazy, stereotypical history content.

@misha5670

4 ай бұрын

I never once said "long bow"

@M1903a4

4 ай бұрын

@@misha5670 7:49

Promo*SM 👉

The British are much better banning guns than to design and make any good ones. They should have copied Australian and adapter the Stryr AUG and Glock. A talent like Garand a Canadian would find his skills dead ended and with no where to go if he stayed in Canada a country tainted with old British laws and customs. Even today, you are not allowed to defend yourself legally, you have to call police. The British army were still using wheel guns in WW2, and before WW1 they were so cheap officers had to buy their own, and most of them choose German designs, like the Broomhandles. The principal aim of the gov, is to have the elites control the population, unhindered by anything serious like the second amendment, but to make the system sound like a democracy in legal definition only. They do put up a good show where people get to vote, but make little difference, and any new parties that will change anything, will face lots of road blocks. I am sure the open border were not OK by voters. Over a decade passed and the gov refused to change the open border. Now there is a religious elites in UK which everyone are scared of. That is why they were stuck with lemons like the Sten, Bren and the Enfields, while other forces had gone semi auto long ago. In ww2 era, just about everyone designed their own guns and did a great job except the British. There are lots of die hard Bren fans that will not agree, but I have seen no post war designs with the magazine placed on top, right where you need to see out to shoot. John Browning figured that out in ww1 with the BAR. The only thing they did correctly with the Sten was not placing the magazine on top. Americans designed the superior Grease Gun in the same era.

@edjones7709

4 ай бұрын

We were still using the L4 (7.62) LMG (Brens) until 1995. They were excellent guns - and not piggin' lemons. The BAR wasn't a patch on it.

@tonylam9548

4 ай бұрын

@@edjones7709Your army tend to keep thing a long time , good or bad, you kept the Brown Bess for 2 centuries. The Sten were also designed in a war, but look at other countries that had to do the same, all did better, the MG 42 are still copied today. The Sten were junk. I guess the army have little choice when the gov refused to buy newer , better guns than the Bren.

@BingoFrogstrangler

4 ай бұрын

Is that why the septic’s brought out the grease gun.