The Brilliant Russian V-22 Helicopter - Mil 30
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In the year 1972. Soviet design bureau Mil embarked on an ambitious journey.
The goal - tiltrotor aircraft to replace the Mi-8 in the future.
Experienced with their own work on Mi V-12 and inspired by Kamov designs, the idea was pretty straightforward, but as we know today with aviation projects - idea is often not enough.
Let’s go see why the Soviet Osprey never took to the skies.
Ever since WW2, this one concept has been very intriguing for the engineers on the both sides of the Iron curtain.
That is - building a very fast helicopter, or a VTOL transport airplane.
And you know it that the Nazis actually tried this first, but it’s a topic for another day.
Anyway, the British built their famous Fairey Rotodyne and the Soviet Kamov bureau built Ka-22, but the Americans had a different concept.
Unlike the - 2 pair of engines for vertical and horizontal movement - concept that the British and the Soviets explored, Bell created a tiltrotor aircraft called the XV-3 in 1955.
Jump forward a bit and we’re in the 70s and this is where Mil’s story starts.
After their attempts with the gyrodyne and hybrid helicopter concepts like the Mi V-12, the Soviet spies went over to Bell for let’s say “inspiration” for this new project.
This time their transport helicopter project would base its design on the tilt rotor engines.
How does this work?
Well to put it simply, during the take off, engines would be tilted upwards and the aircraft would be controlled similar to a tandem rotor helicopter, after gaining altitude, engines would rotate into a horizontal position and the aircraft would be able to have transport airplane performance in terms of speed.
For example, Mi-8 would fly at around 220km/h with maximum speed at 250km/h and Mi-30s projected top speed was somewhere between 500 and 600km/h.
To put this even more into perspective, V-22 Osprey’s top speed stands at 509 km/h, and Ka-22, the previous Soviet gyrodyne project, achieved the class record speed of 356km/h so now you can understand why this tiltrotor concept was so interesting.
With the main idea behind the concept ready, Mil bureau got the TsAGI, the Central aero-hydro dynamic institute behind them and started working on the project.
As we previously mentioned, the goal of this project was to replace the Mi-8.
But the greed and unrealistic requirements would prove to be a roadblock on this project very soon.
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@WolfeSaber9933
Жыл бұрын
If there is one aircraft that needs a deep dive, it is the Lockheed L-133 Starjet.
@Jonathan.D
Жыл бұрын
@@WolfeSaber9933 It's amazing that you mention the L-133. I just left a comment asking for him to do a video on canard aircraft from the same era. The British had several different plans from the same time period that the Lockheed L-133 was designed. The L-133 stands out from all the other aircraft designs from that time. It's hard to believe that it designed in 1939. I was thinking of asking him to do a video on the L-133 but I really want to see a video about the British canard aircraft. One of them, the Avro 730 looks so cool.✌️
@CAP198462
Жыл бұрын
Hey Found and Explained, Have you watched Simon Whistler’s “Side Projects,” video about secret Soviet weapons. Some of the animations might look familiar.
@edwardfletcher7790
Жыл бұрын
Ummm I've never heard any aviation video say "Me" instead of "Em Eye". Since you've got expert level knowledge of aviation, can I assume this is actually the correct Russian style pronunciation ? Why say V- two two tho' ?
@CAP198462
Жыл бұрын
@@edwardfletcher7790 to answer that, the use of Me instead of Em eye is more correct to how a Russian would say it.
Oh my god the rotors actually spin in the right direction in the animation fantastic attention to detail, people always miss that for tilt rotors and especially the XF5U flying flapjack
@fowlerfreak7420
Жыл бұрын
you're a furry.
@cosmoray9750
Жыл бұрын
Look up " vlogger DESTROYS Western "news" on China protests " on yT. Real footage......
@sojourner.
Жыл бұрын
>PFP >Banner >The video topic Checks out.
@SmoochyRoo
Жыл бұрын
@@sojourner. I should change that banner shouldn't i
@zane9758
6 ай бұрын
When is Russia going to actually build this weapon
The V22 has had its own issues, the Bell V-280 Valor looks interesting and actually works more similarly to this rather than the v22 which rotates it’s entire engine nacelles
@Yuki_Ika7
Жыл бұрын
I am still hoping the Defiant X wins the contract but I think both the Valor and the Defiant X have their uses
@L33tSkE3t
Жыл бұрын
@@Yuki_Ika7 to be honest, me too and I think it will
@ravenkk4816
Жыл бұрын
@@L33tSkE3t interesting to note that the mil 30 use valor swing type.
@jeffreymckinney1013
Жыл бұрын
No the valor will win. The defiant has basically the same helicopter in the other competition. It can win that one.
@L33tSkE3t
Жыл бұрын
@@jeffreymckinney1013 and it looks like it has won with it being announced yesterday. Honestly, they were both great candidates and I think the V-280 will perform well. With it's higher capable top speed, could extend it's performance and operations envelope
Osprey with vodka
@blakebenoit2988
Жыл бұрын
Yes
@Apnap_T1
Жыл бұрын
This are the best coment
@Glynstantinople
Жыл бұрын
Vodka if it was a tiltrotor aircraft.
@berandom2000
Жыл бұрын
Vodka-22
@mattblackbeard
Жыл бұрын
🤣🤣🤣
Я никогда не слышал о таком проекте летательного аппарата. Нигде не доводилось читать даже. Узнал впервые от Вас! От вашего ''Found And Explained'' научно - познавательного канала!
@woofkaf7724
6 ай бұрын
Потому что концепт мертворожденный. Две огромные слабые точки защитить сложнее. Тем более что и места для их защиты мало. На таком разве что в мирное время летать.
@Avia_Drone_Fly
5 ай бұрын
Не совсем так, что мертворождённый. Просто сильно всё затянулось из-за постоянных новых требований, хотели увеличения грузоподъемности всё больше и больше ... конструкция постоянно менялась ... дотянули до 90-ых ... а там понятно, что без вариантов.
Another great video, wonderful storytelling and incredible animations!
Something important with modern aircrafts like vtol capable f-35s is integration of computer systems. Could you do a video on the history of that development. When did computers start going into planes or aircraft? Auto pilot systems? Etc….
@foximacentauri7891
Жыл бұрын
Great Idea!
@williamzk9083
Жыл бұрын
I know that one of the first was the 1950s German VTOL fighter program the VJ101 and VAK191 used gyroscopic fly by wire to handle the hover and transition to and from horizontal flight. -In general jet aircraft had a number of problems. They have a tendency to snake so devices called yaw dampers have to be used to control the rudder. Near the speed of sound wing center of life changes and the aircraft nose pitches down. This "Mach Tuck" is automatically compensated by trimming the tail plane. Changes in thrust tend to lead to aircraft pitch changes so that is compensated. Eventually it became easier to do all by it by fly by wire. -The SR-71 was 'augmented' where the pilots controls the surfaces manually but a computer system increases or decreases the deflection to account for the aircraft's vastly different handling in landing, subsonic, trans-sonic, supersonic, hyper-sonic flight. -Instead of giving a pilot artificial feel so he doesn't over stress the aircraft it became possible to just reduce the deflect the controls less and use g sensors and rate gyros on top. -It was a slow process step by step. The French Mirage 2000 and F-16 were some of the first but I believe the Avro Canada Arrow was fully fly by wire.
@alexlo7708
Жыл бұрын
@@williamzk9083 Canada Arrow was British TSR.
Pretty sure given the increasing popularity of Tilt Rotor craft, we'll see a design like this being used by militaries, probably not too many years in the future as well.
@mattandrews8528
Жыл бұрын
All a pathetic distraction from the anti gravity craft that are far better and have existed for decades. Decades.
@bobman36
Жыл бұрын
Investigating Russian and Soviet helicopters is always interesting, they are all such unique designs and are often hard to find.
@watchthe1369
Жыл бұрын
USMC - what our MV-22's are chopped liver?
@fork9001
Жыл бұрын
We already have some for electric air taxis.
@williamzk9083
Жыл бұрын
The idea of the tilt rotor is good but the devil is in the detail of implementing it safely. There are a lot of moving parts that have t work perfectly. The Soviets didn't really have the technology in the day. Fly By Wire, MEMS gyros, shaping changing alloys to control rotor pitch.
Wow your 3D builds have improved so much !
@FoundAndExplained
Жыл бұрын
The modeler of this particular Helicopter is very talented. we linked his portfolio in the description.
I've never heard of this before, thank you for covering it and for such a well detailed description.
I've always dreamed of a war that includes EVERY SINGLE one of these odd machines that never saw the full extent of glory on the battlefield. This channel has allowed me to make up a list of most these machines for that far future project.
@ravenouself4181
Жыл бұрын
Girls & Frankenmachines Maybe make a videogame? [You know, sel the idea to a video game developer]
The V-22 is only really a success in the sense that it is the first to successfully incorporate the tilt-rotor concept into a viable production aircraft.
@hektorgerth4761
Жыл бұрын
Isn't that enough.?failure leads to success
@tedntricia
Жыл бұрын
If you check the US Marine and USAF mishap statistics you will find that is not correct. The V-22 had a troubled development (as all modern military aircraft do) but today the CV-22, MV-22 and CMV-22 are among the safest and most capable rotorwing aircraft the US military flies.
I fly on the 22’s. They’re a great aircraft. They have some issues, but they’re a very safe aircraft. Unfortunately, most of the mishaps we’ve had recently have been due to pilot error, not mechanical. #flymarines
@vitordelima
Жыл бұрын
Maybe some better automations or warning systems could help, I saw a similar idea being developed for gyrocopters.
@kaptainkaos1202
Жыл бұрын
@@vitordelima have you ever been on a V-22? What would you describe as better?
@kaptainkaos1202
Жыл бұрын
You are the person I have in mind every time I go to the aircraft. I’m a NAVAIR flight test engineer and my last program was the MV-22 along with the Navy variant. Every time I sign a flight clearance I take a short break. I just breath and try to think about anything I might have missed. You and the rest of the crew are who weigh heavy on my mind. My worst nightmare is I miss something that causes the loss of an aircraft and crew. I’m not a religious person but I say a prayer that my decision is right and then sign the clearance. I also used to take care of the USAF versions but they weren’t a large part of my job.
@joeblough4605
Жыл бұрын
Clearly, you're no pilot!!!
@vitordelima
Жыл бұрын
@@kaptainkaos1202 Computer assistance for flights, the one I saw for small gyroplanes gave all sorts of warnings every time something wrong was about to happen for example.
Great content as always-the USSR had ideas that ended up being research dreams-for instance the Buran,Ekranoplan,the Krylya Tanka,Bartini Beriev,the Zveno the list is endless.
@DoubleMonoLR
Жыл бұрын
It seems like part of that may be just their different approach to development, testing via production of many prototypes rather than rigorous testing of small models, and modelling etc.
@amadine770
Жыл бұрын
@@DoubleMonoLR Couldn't agree more-that and political short spanned interest if not meddling and pittance budgeting cost the projects.
@xtensionxward3659
9 ай бұрын
i don't see the equivalent of those ideas you mentioned in the US .. besides its just an indication of how progressive the Russian scientific research is the current technology they have is on par with america i'm talking jet fighters and actually Russia is way ahead with hypersonic rockets which the US is still struggling to invent
@Ilya_Muromets_1150
8 ай бұрын
@@xtensionxward3659 вы пересказываете мифы и сказки российской пропаганды. Все, что сейчас имеет россия - наследство и остатки от СССР, и ничего нового! Только перекрашенные новой японской краской, старые разработки и дипломные проекты студентов 80-х годов.
@zane9758
6 ай бұрын
@@DoubleMonoLRstop lying
The hardest hitting thing in this video is the ad transition. I really enjoy your writing.
Great video as always. I was wondering if you have plans to do a video on the British canard aircraft designs from the WWII period? They had several plans from fighters to b0mbers. For example the Miles M35 and M39. There were some wild drawings for super-heavy b0mbers too. During the beginning of the cold war they tried again with plans for a mach 3 canard reconnaissance/b0mber called the Avro 730. I think you're the best to show us how they would look and their pros & cons. Keep up the awesome work.
@mattandrews8528
Жыл бұрын
And then anti gravity craft were figured out in the 50’/60’s and onward secretly. Screw these antiquated propeller propelled aircraft, I’ve been right near silently hovering triangle anti gravity craft in the Navy.
It's amazing seeing how your channel keeps improving. Keep up the great work!!
@ToBeIsWasWere
Жыл бұрын
why is he still stanning russian crap though?
Thanks for sharing mate. Keep up the good work. 👍
Awesome video. Thanks for all the great info.
Very interesting as usual, thank you for your nice videos!
Great model design!
Best thing to see right after work
Those door gunners seem like they have a great chance of shooting the props.
Very cool helicopter thingy!
Synchronized rocket pods. They are also used on the Farley Offspray.
@AeriaGloria
Жыл бұрын
There is no such things as a Farley Offspray
@signorpippistrello
Жыл бұрын
@@AeriaGloria You GOT to be kiddin me….
@arnoldsherrill2585
Жыл бұрын
And how in the world were they supposed to synchronize weapons release considering you were literally firing through the arc of the propellers providing lift/ forward motion. With the osprey, weapons are deployed in such a way you don't have that problem
Man, I need me a model of this thing, that is awesome
The low speed center gravity looks nearly impossible to stabilize at low speeds or while hovering. When the canards are not generating lift, & that hoping where designed to generate lift at a high efficiency.
hey found and explained, i have been watching your videos for over two years. your animations also inspire me to continue learning blender. i would love if you showed us your work flow. also your animations have come along way, i would love to know how you learned
@FoundAndExplained
Жыл бұрын
Nick has some plans in the future to possibly teach how he does it. I will let him know you showed interest. Jared- Channel Manager
@Shattered3582
Жыл бұрын
@@FoundAndExplained i would love that! i would be excited to see what he has to say. i have been learning blender for almost two years, and there is still so much more to learn. i would love to make better animations. thanks for replying i love your content as well
Insane animation and design
Whoooo, love this channel
Great👍 Badass looking attack Helicopter 😎
excellent work
Me waiting patiently for the mustard vid.
Thank you for your videos. I live in a town that makes helicopters. I couldn't imagine that the buildings I pass next to every day on my way to university were designed like this
I’d love to see a video of the first test flight when they fired their rocket pods!
TsAGI is not pronounced as T-S-A-G-I, but as "tsaghee". As for the aircraft, looking at the door gunner's station, I could imagine the pain of trying to hit anything without shooting the propellor. Same with the rocket pods closer to the engines, though one would expect them to be deactivated automatically when in horizontal flight mode.
Ничего себе, я думал это реальная съёмка, а это 3д-модель! Моё почтение. Looks really badass
I would be a very nervous gunner looking straight out at those blades.
*Soviet engineering at it’s finest*
fairey is pronounced fair-rey btw :P impressive videos as ever. cant help but think that the rockets with the props forward for level flight would hit the blades 1st before the ground targets.
@theneef174
Жыл бұрын
Russia would have to have the money to build it first if they wanted to find that out.
@ToBeIsWasWere
Жыл бұрын
they probably shot those with the props rotated up, that way you have more control anyways for targeting given that those are all unguided.
Both the mil 30 and v22 osprey would have gone head to head in the heat of battle
Scary good looking artist’ rendering.
Greetings! Who made your 3D model and animated it? It's fantastic.
@FoundAndExplained
Жыл бұрын
The link to the portfolio of the Modeler of this particular one is in the bio.
I like that segue into the sponsor lol
This is awesome
Top notch CGI as usual!
Intresting vidoe, what's the name of the large U.S. transport aircraft shown sitting on the tarmac at the beginning of the video?
the model is so nice looking
The model used in the video looks like a vehicle in the lobby of squad or battlefield 2042
I really enjoy your videos Sir Frm 🇳🇬
Might as well let people know about Vertoplan (1939) - a thing that came way before Bell Boeing Osprey similarly how TB-3 came way before Flying Fortress
Looks great
This would be an interesting comedy for HBO. The Pentagon Wars meets Citizen X. The antagonists in the political and military bureaucracy could be played by Stephen Rae and Carrey Elwes respectively.
The words 'Brilliant' and 'Russian' should never be used in the same sentence.
How do youbtime unguided missles with the rotors without blowing the rotors off
yes I am in need of a new airframe for my new hypersonic aircraft so I will be getting squarespace for the airframe.
Just another very nice video, loved it. You should make justice to the French, you should give a dive to the Mirage Mach 3 projects (there is even one for a Mach 4 Scramjet interceptor), the Logiduc stealth bomber project or the Hermes space shuttle project. The French really had a lot of interesting projects and they still do.
I would like to more of these helicopter videos
Thank you for another great video, could you please explain what is happening at 6:57 and by what helicopter thank you very much eh.
@DoubleMonoLR
Жыл бұрын
It looks like they're just dropping supplies, which matches what he's talking about at about the same time.
From a purely aesthetic perspective, I like this one more than the V-22.
@merlesmith6794
Жыл бұрын
Rocket pods and canards make everything better
@bigbcor
Жыл бұрын
Tail sections looks like Garbage on this…
I come for the square space advertisements and stay for the aircraft information
@FoundAndExplained
Жыл бұрын
The dancing aliens appreciate it.
In some ways it’s shocking how advance the Soviet armament was They would build things that the West had no answer too
EXCELENTE CANAL......
Is “Mi” really pronounced it “me?” And I’m pretty sure people say “Vee-Twenty-Two,” not “Vee-Two-Two.”
History is full of what looks like very good projects only for it to run out of time. You only have to look at all the aircraft projects which were shelved at the end of WW2
Wow so interesting!))
now i just noticed the drawings i saw about this tiltrotor are all in conventional configuration quite like the V-22 or the AW609, but the model in the video uses canard configuration hmmm
The soviets didnt have a website, man thats good add intro ngl
For Arrakis?
It would need some very impressive jet engines to accept turbulent post prop air and then combust it in a stable way.
Thanks for the video. The internal power struggle in the polit bureau was responsible for the increasing requirements, since many party influencers were also intimately connected with the defence industry: the polit bureau was supplying the passports and the foreign governments the money. Go figure.
8:28 I thought you were about to tell me that "by the 1990s, the Soviet government decided that time travel was also required before granting additional funding"😂
It makes you wonder if they ever considered a tilt-wing like the LTV XC-142. There the entire wing, including engine nacelles, tilted up instead of just the nacelles..
@oadka
Жыл бұрын
That's even worse no? Now the whole wing box needs to be capable of tilting the wing! So much stronger supports would be needed.
@scottgalbraith7461
Жыл бұрын
I think keeping the wing horizontal during hover adds stability. Have you ever carried a sheet of wood in high wind?
I remember seeing the Bell XV-15 flying around Farnborough in the late 70s. Look that up and see where the Americans got the notion from. And it wasn't Mil.
Doesn’t any tilt rotor aircraft have very low survivability?
Not sure if anyone noticed this. but there is a small error with the name of the 2 craft here 4:58 you called the Mil MI-30 the MI-8.
nice video
It appears that the centre of lift and therefore the load is over the rear wheels!
Imagine a this with 2 Vulcan guns instead of rockets
Why it never took to this skies? Because they weren't able to throw an unimaginable fortune in development costs at it.
animations were awesome
@FoundAndExplained
Жыл бұрын
Check out the other work of our excellent modeler in the description. Jared- Channel Manager
amazing helicopter 😍
I worked under the first active v22 unit in Iraq. Loud,but awesome.
The American V22 carries 9 tons. This Mil machine only manages 2 tons.
@tetraxis3011
6 ай бұрын
The original concept yes. But it was increased to almost the same as the Osprey. And it doesn’t matter anyways things this thing wasn’t built.
First was RU on Yakovlev Yak 38 VTOL in '80 ,next F35 US and Mil 30 before to V22
I just started this video a I noticed that you skip a few years and at least one project. VTOL Canadair CL-84 Dynavert developed by Avro Canada for the US Military between 1957 and 1963. It was a twin engine and the engines tilted for helicopter type flight and horizontal for aircraft type flight.
Long have I waited…
The VTOL concept on the blueprint at 0:56 should be Fa-269 not Fa-289
Tilt rotor will inevitably widespread in future.
Damn.... If only MIL had a website back then
@lucasokeefe7935
6 ай бұрын
I know what you're doing. Don't you dare lmao
You should make a collab with a model maker, a lot us us would by those beatiful aircraft we see in your videos
Farley was a British company that made baby food. Fairey was a British company that made the Rotodyne.
@johnjensen2217
Жыл бұрын
The videos are otherwise so good it’s a little cringy to see such simple mistakes make through the editing process.
The Mi-8 is a design way ahead of its time why would you even want to replace it
I already had a suspicion for a long time that Russia did try tilt-rotor technology and well, it didn't work out.
@moiGospodin-kp6sn
2 ай бұрын
1991
I would love to see the German vtol
@ToBeIsWasWere
Жыл бұрын
Impressive, very nice. Let's see Paul Allen's VTOL.
So brilliant it never flew :)
Great work regardless of the ongoing war in Ukraine. Unbiased videos and information. Keep up the good work.
@bogdanscripcariu6501
Жыл бұрын
Psst... Still, The Russian Federation will win while you, the brainless europeans, enjoy the coldness! :D
@moiGospodin-kp6sn
2 ай бұрын
An interesting fact: the Nazis started the war in Ukraine by seizing power in Kiev in 2014 with the support of America. then Ukraine began killing the peaceful population of Donbass (Russians) for the fact that Donbass does not recognize the new government of Ukraine. Fact: "glory to Ukraine, glory to heroes" is the slogan of the OUN and UPA, these organizations are heroes of Ukraine... and these same organizations are guilty of genocide of Poles and Jews. google it.
How do those rocket launchers fire through the rotor?
@Zigfried207
Жыл бұрын
Some kind of synchronizing mechanism like those that were on the planes of the Second World War?
aerial refueling in a v22 must be terrifying
@skorea2131
Жыл бұрын
It’s not bad.
@kdrapertrucker
Жыл бұрын
Just like refueling in any other airplane. Refueling in a normal helicopter is much worse, the tanker is near stall speed, and the rotor disk is tilted forward to get maximum forward speed. Seen a video of an MH-53 actually cut off it's own refuelling probe when he rotor disk hit it. Can't imagine what it did to the balance of the rotor. Probably a rough ride to landing in a helicopter trying to shake itself to pieces.
where did they put the 3rd engine?
@FoundAndExplained
Жыл бұрын
They dropped it and went back to two engines in the end