Dear Mr. Nash. I thoroughly appreciate the work and research going into these snippets. With all the half-wits occupying so much space in the internet it is refreshing to come across balanced and intelligent content. Please do continue!

@Simon_Nonymous

2 жыл бұрын

Dear Mr. Erixon; one good comment like yours makes all the faults of the internet go away, and restores my faith in the human race. Thank you.

@oloferixon3363

2 жыл бұрын

@@Simon_Nonymous Thank you, Mr. Simon. Let's continue to fight the increasing daftness (darkness...)...

The Lioré et Olivier 45 is also a good example of a beautiful French bomber

@Charlesputnam-bn9zy

2 жыл бұрын

The Potez 63 too. And the Breguet 691/693 that sacrificed themselves in 1940 along with the valiant British Fairey Battles.

You've done it again, Ed. I knew nothing of this lovely plane that looks like (to me) the offspring of an He-111 and an Avro Lancaster. Thank you. ☮

A good looking French bomber? Astounding!

@foreverpinkf.7603

2 жыл бұрын

My thoughts as well. The first French good looking plane.

@jetaddicted

2 жыл бұрын

Some have a lot to learn…

@tri3852

2 жыл бұрын

@@foreverpinkf.7603 Monsieur Dassault would like to have a word with you....

@STARDRIVE

2 жыл бұрын

Looking weird was part of the specifications. Something must have gone wrong.

@foreverpinkf.7603

2 жыл бұрын

@@tri3852 Please, I´m here.

Potez and Bloch had some modern looking planes and projects, I even like their model: P. 540 and MB.210

It's interesting how France went from making the absolute fugly-est and bizarre aircraft ever built, to making, post war, the most elegant, beautiful , and world class performers found anywhere.

@godsowndrunk1118

2 жыл бұрын

The Germans had a few years to educate them... Although I think some of the more stubborn ones went to work for Citroen, designing cars...

@treszenrv9401

2 жыл бұрын

@@godsowndrunk1118 cv2 is pre-war design

@godsowndrunk1118

2 жыл бұрын

@@treszenrv9401 ....no kidding? It sure looks like it.... they were still selling Cv4's in the early 80's when I was in the Army in Germany.thanks , thought it was post war.... one of the aircraft designers must have been moonlighting...

@treszenrv9401

2 жыл бұрын

@@godsowndrunk1118 Production stopped in 1990. Projet TPV (Toute petite voiture) (Very Small Car). Citroën made 250 cars in 1939 but they are nearly all scrapped to hide the project from Germans authorities.

@tonyz7216

10 ай бұрын

When it comes to beauty, France's early war aircraft have nothing to envy to other countries. Just google Dewoitine 520 and 551, Potez 630, Lioré-Olivier 451, Bloch 174, Bréguet 693... All deserving a video from Ed.

Ed Nash's 20th century what-if's are the most informed what-if's in all of 21st century aviation historical analysis on this medium, bar none . . ! Long live Ed Nash . . !

Yes, yes..do send us the Halifax, one of my favorites. I do enjoy your work on these obscuro-planes, ones I would never know about without your videos. 👍

@bigblue6917

2 жыл бұрын

I always thought the Halifax did not get the attention it deserved. It was doing much of the heavy lifting before the Lancaster even turned up.

@joeschenk8400

2 жыл бұрын

@@bigblue6917 Yep, I agree. I think the Halifax and B-24 are the best LOOKING 4 engine heavies of WWII.

@bigblue6917

2 жыл бұрын

@@joeschenk8400 There was a B-24 which flew the 25 mission before any B-17 did. Unfortunately it crashed into a mountain in Iceland killing a USAAF general who was onboard. So it never got the attention it deserved for what it achieved.

@joeschenk8400

2 жыл бұрын

@@bigblue6917 Wow, I had never heard of this, thanks.

We do need an episode about the HP Halifax! And this Bréguet was completely new to me!...

lf is the biggest little word in history....Thanks Ed Nash....From Old Navy flying Shoe🇺🇸

My favorite French interwar aircraft is the late 1930s Bugatti 100P. A recreation is on display at the Mullin Automotive Museum, Oxnard, California. Wicked looking speed demon!

@mikearmstrong8483

2 жыл бұрын

I grew up in Oxnard and I've never heard of this place. Is it new?

@dcanmore

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikearmstrong8483 opened 2010

@williamlloyd3769

4 ай бұрын

@@mikearmstrong8483- unfortunately the museum closed in February 2024 after the owner died; three vehicles were donated to the Peterson Museum in Los Angeles and the balance are scheduled to be auctioned in April / May

can you give the Lioré et Olivier LeO 45 a video no one knows about it

Thanks, it's a relief to hear that they were finding their way though a bit late.

It wasn't Handley Page that had doubts about the RR Vulture but the Air Ministry. The Air Ministry asked HP to rework the HP.56 as a 4-engined bomber to produce the HP.57.

This is a wonderful "What If" video. Thank you for making me aware of yet another WWII ear aircraft that I was not even aware of. Thank You.

I'm continually amazed at the airframes you present on this channel - this is a really beautiful aircraft, and I've never heard of it before! Excellent, keep it up: a very enjoyable channel.

my imagination of events: Ed Nash (editing): listening back to his recording while editing his video Ed Nash (recording): "1836" Ed Nash (editing): takes a good look at the palm of his hand and audibly exhales Ed Nash (editing): frantically puts in overlay correcting himself

@TheVigilante2000

2 жыл бұрын

It happens, but the way you said it with such assuredness...

@sirbum1918

2 жыл бұрын

I had to stop and think when he said 1836.

Well, it was by far the fastest bomber of the world before the Mosquito arrived. Put into service unchanged, it would have been fast enough to fly unarmed, unescorted daylight missions against Germany as long as the Bf109F was not in service and nighttime missions throughout the war. The problem about that is, from a bomb load perspective it was a medium bomber, not a heavy bomber. That limited bomb load is not very effective in strategic bombing. But its performance was based on - for the time - very clean aerodynamics combined with a - for a bomber - good power to weight ratio. For making it that fast, the prototype was built without any armor protection or weapons. And it already used the most powerful engines the French had. So, where - besides adding high altitude superchargers - is the developement potential of this design? All in all the Bloch 162 was a more promising design and its developement was a few months ahead of the Breguet 482.

Now this one I had not clue about it looked very promising. Thanks for adding to my knowledge of unknown aircraft.

Good overview of an aircraft I had never heard of. Sounds like it had a lot of potential.

The story of the pre war French aircraft industry is that of a tragic one

@Charlesputnam-bn9zy

2 жыл бұрын

Yet the Farman bomber got to bomb Berlin all by itself in June 1940 !

Thank you for retrieving from oblivion these gems of human genius, that each in its own way contributed to aviation progress. Can you make a video on the Grumman XF-5 very optimistically named ''Skyrocket" ? Thank you !

Wow, that's a really nice piece of kit, shame one doesn't survive.

Always enjoy your content

As great as that aircraft might have been it couldn't change the fact that the French leadership was totally out of touch with the way WWII was going to be fought.

@sugarnads

2 жыл бұрын

Awww. Terrible they didnt want an entire generation of young men dead Again.

Well done again Sir

Perhaps a video on the carrier aircraft of the Graf Zeppelin? They had some-interesting- ideas about what made for a good naval aircraft. Please keep up the good work.

Beautiful lines on it.

The Halifax has always looked to me like a British version of the American B-24 Liberator. I would appreciate a story on this largely forgotten bomber.

The first time i saw the F 222 in war thunder, both of its engine nacelles were on fire, giving it the appearance of a jet aircraft. This genuinely had me confused until I saw it unmolested in the hangar several days later. I now call it the br 1.7 jet bomber as a joke to myself.

@40nakedniggasonahugespacecraft

2 жыл бұрын

Unmolested had me dying

@lordwintertown8284

2 жыл бұрын

If you know how to put out engine fires the Farman Aviation Works F.222.2 can survive over seven fires... (A match over Sicily saw me with seven engine fires).

@CreeperOnYourHouse

2 жыл бұрын

@@lordwintertown8284 A truly powerful demonstration of early jet technology

A fine looking aircraft indeed. Thx Ed!

Given the 'sexy' reputation of the French, something SERIOUSLY went wrong in aircraft design during the inter-war period ! 😄. Thanks for the insight - genuinely very interesting ! 👍

@firestorm165

2 жыл бұрын

That something was a card carrying Marxist being in charge of the air ministry who thought giving the unions literally everything they asked for was the solution to everything

For the older " Flying Green houses " , the French I think let Romance rule the Drawing board ..but the Breguet looked the part , but with a wee bit less of the nose glazing ..good Vid .

A Halifax video would be great...but of even more interest would be one about the Short Stirling, the third and largest of the RAF heavies, of which none survive today so it remains relatively forgotten.

It is/was amazing that Luftwaffe fighter pilots didn't go ROTFLMAO when they saw pre-war French bomber aircraft.;)

Another great find and video. Reminds me of a de Havilland albatross converted to a bomber with a green house up front. Looked quite good shame it never got to the front line.

Finally. A French bomber that actually looked good. Rather then something which had had a number of extensions added.

@bigblue6917

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelbizon444 I supposed we'd have to do back the the flying apartment to do Art Deco.

It looks like the result of the copulations of a HE111 with a Lancaster......awful...

Not that you ever will but IF you do you can always bring us a video on any of these odd French bombers from the 20's and 30's because there's literally dozens. I have a small and unimpressive book called The "World's Great Bombers" by Chris Chant nothing to recommend about it but there a couple of great quotes about French bombers of the 20's. When discussing the LeO 20 he says "The french began to develop the type of angular ugliness that typified most of their bombers until the later 1930s" And then best of all with he says: " With its mass of excrescences such turrets, gondolas and fixed landing gear, the Bloch MB 200 virtually epitomised the concept of aerodynamic drag." A perfect description of a lot of bombers not just French from the 1920's.

The engine cowlings look like they just sawed off the front halves of fighter planes and put them on a flying baguette.

Why am I thinking of when the guys on Top Gear tried to make a flying Robin Reliant?

Incroyable!

Halifax video - yes please! I still haven't read the Haynes manual I bought, nor have I been to the one at RAF Elvington. My grandfather was an instrument fitter on the Mk IIIs from 1944 onwards, it'd be cool to know more.

Cripes ! It missed the ugly stick ! Thanks Ed.

An excellent and enjoyable explanation of the French aircraft development. I look forward to your review of the Halifax at some point, my great uncle was a flight engineer in Bomber Command and preferred the Halifax over the Lancaster stating it was sturdier and better to escape from giving the crew a better chance to survive. I would welcome your analysis was there any technical truth to this, or just down to personal preference.

Beautiful

My eyes, my eyes. No, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Hi Ed!

Slick looking aircraft, 👍

You know if you ever get tired of bringing failed plane designs you could do worse than a video on the Hawker Hart family. A hugely important and successful 1920's design. I'd like to know more about it I am sure there's lots to talk about considering how many nations used at least 1 plane from that family.

@Seraphus87

2 жыл бұрын

I support this.

What a great looking aircraft for the era 👌

Certainly do the HP Halifax and the First of the Four Engine Heavies the Short Sterling. Then do the What Might Have Been Daddy of Them All the Vickers Windsor.

Elegant Indeed! With a little more development, it could have made something like a four-engined Moustique (french for Mosquito ;-) ).

at the 1:36 point, You said 1836 what a wonderful piece of forward planning by the British and French air ministry's.

Issuing a specification for a heavy bomber, 67 years before the first powered flight. Now that is a level of foresight you just don’t see anymore.

Oh, gee... I wish to see a real action film version of Dastardly and Muttley in Their Flying Machines. I've commented similar before but this old design really outrun the cartoon show! 😸

Brillant video has always, can you give us an update on the Myanmar civil war or an update on the Ethiopian war.

What a beautiful aircraft.

The fuselage cross section has a distinct airfoil shape, did it contribute to lift similar to the Connie’s fuselage?

The French always find a way. It's not the way any one else chooses, but it's a way.

The vertical stabilisers seem too small. I recall all the trouble with the Halifax Mks i&II.

Most of the pre-war and WW2 french bombers looks like Cafe/bakeries on wings.

Oooo la la! C’est tres sexy mon ami!! However - a medium bomber? With FOUR engines? Never going to make manufacturing, economic or operational sense Ed. Phwooar! What a looker though! 👍👍❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

you should look at the Belgian built Stampe SV-10 and LACAB GR8

scrapping that plane and not preserving it at least for static display was a crime!!!!

@Zorglub1966

2 жыл бұрын

After war France was ruined (rationing tickets were in use until november 1949), had Indochina war on her hands, social unrest, and no dedicated structure available, no museum to store or to maintain it.

The French Bombers of that time look like they were designed using an "Etch-a-Sketch".

It was potentially a four engine French extra medium mosquito bomber.

Some French bombers of the Interwar period were certainly hugly, weird, whatever you want, but never, never cheesy!

Another one that looks like it should be in an 'alternative-history' movie - where do you get them from? And when is that movie going to be made?

1:36.....1836? Now THAT'S forward thinking.

The LeO 451 was another French bomber that was quite the looker.

Good morning. There was no communist sabotage, it was a rumor spread by the Vichy government to find a scapegoat for their incompetence. The material was produced in a hurry, very little tested when it left the manufacturing line, so it was more fragile. Thank you for this video.

@1:36 1836? bombers, wow, no disrespect intended I am far,far from your level, I love your work Mr. Nash

Like the Ref to the nineteenth century#1

Yes, do… the Halifax would be an interesting story.

What a beauté !

There seems to be some resemblance with the Heinkel 111, especially with the shape of the fuselage and the cockpit. Could the French designers have known about the He-111?

@Seraphus87

2 жыл бұрын

As far as I remember early versions of the He-111 were deployed in the Spanish civil war and it was also built for civilian purposes, so the French absolutely knew about it. That being said, the He-111 family started out with a quite "normal" looking stepped nose and cockpit, only switching production to the iconic rounded/steppless nose & cockpit later down the line.

Have truly enjoyed the French Aircraft presented lately. Not much information on the net about them. Dutch aircraft would be appreciated as well.

The French engineers drank wine whilst designing…..

Amiot 143 the flying omnibus.

Hallyfacks? Never heard of it... ;) Oh... wait... yeah... It's just that no one ever *talks* about it.

@mbryson2899

2 жыл бұрын

The German "all bombers must dive!" directive cost them a lot. They had a diamond right in their palms...but honestly I never would have figured Breguet to have designed a sound and useful aircraft given what interwar French bombers usually offered.

It looks like a 4-engine Caproni CA311

to quote, "the French follow no one and no one follows the French"

Interesting. Pity that they weren't used against Nazi Germany in 1939 early 1940

Ed, we need more info on how the French aviation industry were 'sabotage' before WW2

Never say never....

Nice plane which reminded me of pre war glider designs... shame one doesn’t exsist, what’s will all this scrapping all the time 🙄

That low set rear tail plane with the twin fins looks wrong, a single fin with a higher plane ,(B17 ish) with rear gun position would have worked well.

At 4:00, two engines have 3 bladed propellers and two have 2 bladed propellers. I've never seen that before.

@3ducs

2 жыл бұрын

Look carefully, all props are three bladed.

@i_like_ya_cut_g2350

2 жыл бұрын

all of them have three blades

@tomloverin9073

2 жыл бұрын

Upon further investigation.... Thanks.

This aircraft looks quite nice! But still not quite as nice as the Amiot 354, which is another very good-looking French aircraft. The French had some very sleek designs under development.

The Breguet Baguette.

Three were made and they all flew backwards

The French at it again.

very nice aircraft, a bit like Lockheed Constellation, non compromising aerodynamics.

Perhaps the one the Germans found looked like a passenger airplane bc it did not have weapons?

Though classified as a heavy bomber, its weapons load and armament was less. Hey, its all about that Gallic style, baby! Lol

It must be noted that not ever French design was a horriored sight for there were many designs that looked pretty. So bomber examples: Lioré et Olivier 45 LeO 45 a streamline twin engine bomber that saw heavy service from both Free French FAFL & Vichy French Forces. Marcel Bloch M.B.170 designs another streamlined aircraft that was used as a light bomber and reconnaissance aircraft and saw service with the Aéronavale post war, Also the aviator Antonie De Saint-Exupéry flew the M.B.174's during early war time. M.B.162 another fine four engine heavy bomber that unfortunately never saw service as a bomber but as a transport by the luftwaffe & the Armee de l'Air postwar. Another designs that ine could say was a nice sight especially being a countarotating prop twin engine interceptor the Arsenal VB.10.C, large aircraft that was designed pre war but inly flew post war. Still if we want to continue with WTF designs lets see the Bréguet Br.693AB2... WTH was Bréguets problem. E, It must be not I mast be oops.

@underwaterpowerarmor8700

2 жыл бұрын

bréguets weren t thinking they were high on wine , champagne and cigars

It can't be French, it's not UGLY!

I suspect most of us might be of monocoque design.

An interesting aircraft ? Could it not have been developed into a civilian aircraft after the war ? (Or maybe something similar was ? )