The Pringles can for Wolfe sent me 😂😂

@malcolmreese7777

3 ай бұрын

I wonder how many know about the connection?

Book of the New Sun is in my opinion one of the greatest works ever put to paper. Love to see you doing some more content on it, there will never be enough on this book even with all the podcast and books about the books. So much is left to us.

@js1817

10 ай бұрын

It's not that great. Some unfinished, half-baked, un-explained ideas and then everyone has fun guessing and filling in the blanks. Good fun but not super deep or genius-level writing.

@MagogTheMagnificent

10 ай бұрын

​@@js1817Exactly!

@JosephKelly-uj1zo

Ай бұрын

@@MagogTheMagnificent Might be above your pay grade.

That is a remarkably coherent attempt to 'explain' the overall structure and themes of the books, while acknowledging that no complete explanations exist for it.

@MediaDeathCult

11 ай бұрын

That's an interesting way of looking at it, that there will always be a void between "the truth" and Wolfe's book. There is a brain melting concept in here that suggests information and culture echos through time because of Severian time travelling. Example - Dr Talos and Baldanders may be the origin of Frankenstein, Severian travels back to the 10th Century and probably told others about his strange "friends" in the future, that seed of an idea is planted and remains in the zeitgeist and eventually pops out as Shelley's book.

@jamesleonard2870

4 ай бұрын

The slippery nature of “The Truth” in these books and in life is what imbues everything with that druggie metaphysical feeling. Which I think is so amazing that that can be done with words and plot. So rad 🌊🏄‍♂️🪷

Severian's shaping of his own world is so deep that even the soldiers at Saltus sing about him. Each stanza of the erentarii's ditty is about stages of Severian's life, something I recently discovered. It may mean that some people in the army still follow the Conciliator story (or it has become just a song) since it was soldiers that Severian handed the Claw to in UotNS. The book is layered like an onion indeed.

@tasosalexiadis7748

11 ай бұрын

Never noticed that. Which stages of his journey do the stanzas refer to?

@Severian1

11 ай бұрын

@@tasosalexiadis7748 "Born beneath a shooting star" refers to the White Fountain that the Yesodians sent towards Urth all the way from Apu-Punchau's time so that was the first thing that clued me in. It unifies everything. And the White Fountain is Severian's star. Stanza one is about his mom, her taking care of him, and her hopes/dreams for him, before he was handed over to the torturers after she was captured and discovered pregnant (torturers only accept children from pregnant clients). Stanza two is about the torturers training Severian. "Knocked my head... mustn't whimper at a scar" Stanza three is about Severian meeting the Green Man, "the mage" who predicts his time in the North and the War with the Ascians. Stanza four is about when Severian met the Autarch, the "Shepherd" of the Commonwealth who tells him of the test on Yesod, "To Dawn-Gate where the angels are." Gene Wolfe was a genius. So much right in front of your face but it just slips by you. Makes for good re-reads.

Dude Moid, sometimes you just sort of ramble. But yeah the reason the book is so good is because humans are predisposed to look for meaning, and the book is layered grand concepts of asking what does it all mean. That's it that's the whole things in a sentence. That it doesn't need to mean anything it's an exercise in asking. Bravo. Standing Ovation.

O.K...this gives me a chance to point out another triple bluff that you & Alzabo boys didnt catch back then. ( Maybe you did, & I remember wrong 😁) It"s about Jonas. He IS human, downloaded into robot body and repaired with someone elses human parts. Remember when we learn that first expansion into the universe was done by humans who downloaded their personality into machines/robots & that they left their "ability to feel emotions" with Hierodules on Earth , because they considered it unnecessary weight & bother ? Then they came back to a much changed earth , very empty & sad , and asked Hierodules for emotional part of their personality back. So, it kind of stands to reason that after living for a looong time as emtpy unfeeling husks, once they got their emotions back they went little crazy with it ( Dr.Talos with his art & Jonas with his crush on Jolenta ) i"m so glad I read one more time with you & Alzabo guys...caught plenty new stuff I didn"t before.. Its time for Long and Short Sun books soon. aint it ? Great video as always Moid. Cheers !

@MediaDeathCult

11 ай бұрын

Nice

@tragicslip

11 ай бұрын

for Wolfe so loved Cordwainer's Scanners that they did not live in vain.

@vladimircar-cm1xr

11 ай бұрын

@@tragicslip Nice one..😁.(my first Cordwainer"s story that I read.) Very nice...Damn, how I didn"t see it before? Herbert loved CS too ( Norstrilia/Dune, Giant Sheep/Worms, Stroon/Spice) Even Butlerian Jihad has some echoes of Rediscovery of Man.

@tragicslip

11 ай бұрын

@@vladimircar-cm1xr one good turn deserves another!

@vladimircar-cm1xr

11 ай бұрын

@@tragicslip Sure does 😁

😮 this series sounds even more complicated but I'm intrigued!

This book series is so fascinating, I loved reading it and listening to your reviews / analysis buddy!

I hope you are happy. When I first heard you talking about it, I thought, “not for me.” Then I read it as part of the read along. Then I think about it all the time. I think it final moved past Dune as my favorite. Thank you and d@mn you 😝

Thank you for this video! This is probably the best explanation of BOTNS I've heard and I'm still confused. I read the series a while back and I think I'm due for a re-read.

@MediaDeathCult

3 ай бұрын

Thank you, I made the video and I'm still confused, but in a good way

Great, Thanks a lot, now I need to read this series.

If infinity is real then divinity is inevitable it just wont be omni-anything.

@MediaDeathCult

3 ай бұрын

Hmmm, that one got me thinking

@g.dalfleblanc63

3 ай бұрын

@@MediaDeathCult Great videos dude, they get me thinking, thanks for making them.

The pringles can was perfect Moid!

I so love rereading this series.

Thanks Moid. Fascinating!

Ok OMG I’m at the last few chapters of Citadel & Urth is in the mail, on it’s way to me. I’ve been listening to you & when you talk to Alzabo Soup. So I’m a happy camper because of finding out I’m only touching the surface. I still need to get a copy of the Lexicon & the book that tells about the symbolism. I also need to listen to more Alzabo Soup, interviews with Wolfe himself, & whatever else I can find on KZread. Your videos are great, I like your voice & enthusiasm & I admire you for figuring out so much of this universe. I used to look for meaning

Thank you! I love this series

You're kidding.. i thought I was the only person that remembers this book series.... thanks for reminding me.,... Carpe Viva

According to this timeline, we are *now* living in the shadow of Paprika Pringles.

Glad to have found your channel!

now this right here was much appreciated -- thx nigel

Beautiful video.

Excellent analysis. Only scrapes the surface but you're aware of that. Good work.

PS: I've read all 5 of the books due to your reviews and suggestions. Same with Ursula K. Thanks again.

Sounds mindbending. Thanks.

@foodchewer

6 ай бұрын

It is

Whoh! That actually makes a lot of sense to me. I’ve read and listened to this epic several times and I really like this interpretation. The timeline and physical model you made there is what really helped it make sense to me. I realized that the Amazon and South American were a big part of the setting but I don’t recall any references to the Inca. Can anyone tip me off here, please? =] Another book I read over and over again is Moby Dick I’m sure GW is influenced by Melville and I see it most clearly in the way GW writes about travel by boat. Easily my favorite and the most pleasurable part of GWs writing. I reread and repeat those chapters whenever the pop up. Anyone else digging that connection? 🌊🏄‍♂️🪷

Jeez I'm going to have to read these again lol, missed so much!

Kabbalistic. . Yesod hangs below the sun and is between the pillars of mercy and severity. I'll have to read these books. they sound good. x

@samuelyeates2326

5 ай бұрын

Alchemistic

You asked for the opinion about Gene Wolfe. Ich read his famous books almost 40 years ago and I have been fascinated then. But in the decades afterwards whenever I though about those books I realized that they support a special kind of conservatism I have increasingly grown out of. The same applies, by the way, to Orson Scott Card.

@jembailey8757

19 күн бұрын

That's interesting. I get that totally, but can't shake my obsession with Wolfe. Same with G.K. Chesterton, I mislike the political implications of his rural utopianism (which oddly has a fair amount in common with William Morris's socialist version) but love the intelligence of his writing. I'd still rather be ruled by that kind of blinkered but essentially well intentioned right wing wannabe theocracy than the money grabbing philistines in power in the UK right now (or certainly than be part of the ignorant mob being manipulated by Trump et al across the pond.) Sorry if that sounds cynical. I totally understand what you're saying though, and I can't stand Orson Scott Cad (sic).

After the morphine and codeine I’ve taken for my spine injury, this was quite a trip!

@lindag3650

11 ай бұрын

Get better soon

The Pringles can. 😆😆😆 The lore of BotNS is only outshone by the lore of Gene Wolfe himself.

Alright Moid? Hope you and yours are well.

There is this one vision Severius has in Shadow of the torturer : a cave and an attack of Monkey like humanoids…. I always wondered if that was a vision of the beginning of the new Universe or a vision of the beginning of the one he is in at that moment. Because the whole chabang keeps repeating itself over and over again right 🤗

@inthetearoom

11 ай бұрын

they're genetically hybrid property of the autarchs

That was great, I've read and reread BOTNS umpteen times but had never quite figured out Apu Panchu and his context. This will hugely inform my next reread, which I have scheduled for sometime in the 11th century PCE. Just kidding, this Autumn.

@MediaDeathCult

19 күн бұрын

Thanks, I had a lot of help from the Alzabo Soup guys

Have you also read the long sun and short sun series?

@John-tc9gp

11 ай бұрын

?

Any plans to read and review the rest of The Solar Cycle series?

It’s big, like REALLY BIG

That's all very lovely, but there's still one teeny thing I don't quite understand. How did Gene Wolfe come to photograph "posthistoric" buildings? Or did Severian throw some of them into a wormhole as well?

Havent finished it yet. will be back

I have just finished the shadow of the torturer and absolutely loved it. Will be reading the next one in the series soon. But please just answer me one question. Although you eventually realise the book is set in the future, is there a reason why civilisation seems to have taken up some ancient forms of organisation, such as guilds, and also their language sounds somehow antiquated. I love it. It is not to say I don’t. But at first I thought the book was set in, like 13 century England. Are we ever gonna find out whether they purposely dug into the past to take up some ancient customs, while also letting technology evolve? Thank you for your videos.

@foodchewer

6 ай бұрын

You commented this 4 months ago. Did you find the answer(s) to your questions yet by reading on? If not, all I'll say is kind of. There are a few spots throughout the Book of the New Sun where the questions of the current state of technology, social organization, and government are indeed addressed.

@MariaCamarena_OneWing

6 ай бұрын

@@foodchewer well, I finished the Clau of the conciliator. And although I didn’t like it quite as much as the shadow of the torture, I will definitely keep reading the series because I am hooked and because I enjoy the style of Jean Wolves, writing so much. Thank you for your answer.

MadNESS!

Omg !!!!!!!! More more more more more more more more more more !! 😋😋😋😋😋😋🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤

What do you think of Lord Fouls Bane?

What happened to the series with Alzabo soup?

Hello Nathan, hello Rereading-Wolfe, hello Finn, I know you'll read this eventually

Is there some copyright stuff going on with Book of the New Sun content? I’m seeing a lot of different channels getting hit right now

@MediaDeathCult

Ай бұрын

Not specifically I don't think, I was just slapped with a copyright strike for something else (wasn't told exactly what) and had to delete about 400 videos to protect the channel

Moid will this episode spoil the book of the new sun only read shadow so far got the rest don’t want to ruin it with major spoilers ?Ps dr bloodmoney episode was excellent did post a comment but it vanished???? Reading my way through p k d like you big fan . Keep up the good work👍🏻🫡

@MediaDeathCult

11 ай бұрын

Yes, it will spoil it, read all 5 books first

@lindag3650

11 ай бұрын

I needed all the spoilers I could get with this series

@themojocorpse1290

11 ай бұрын

@@lindag3650i know what you mean 🤔

You left me in the dust with this one, Moid. I lasted as long as I could.

What the absolute fuck. Thanks Moid.

Alzaboooo

What happened to all the explained videos

@MediaDeathCult

Ай бұрын

Copyright strike almost destroyed the channel. I had to cull everything but I'm slowing glueing the Cult back together.

@drakehall364

Ай бұрын

@@MediaDeathCult I’m so sorry man!! I sincerely hope you can get all your content back! I have been loving the series!

@MediaDeathCult

Ай бұрын

I still have it, just not confident that I won't get shat on again. Worst case scenario would be that I have to remake something like that again, which would actually be a lot of fun

@drakehall364

Ай бұрын

@@MediaDeathCult Man if you do, I am 100% here for it! Love hearing y’all’s discussion. They really helped me get into the series!

Yea it seems the sun is not dying the natural death we can now predict , but rather has a black hole in it , whether this is due to sentient or astronomical intervention. Personally I do not think of this as hard sf at all. Not even space opera- more religious science fantasy, like Dune or Hyperion. Thats not meant as an insult either, while I do like some hard SF it is by no means the "best" subgenre imo and often eschews good storytelling, characterization and other literary standards for the focus of technical concepts. Id also say this is very literary SF.

@foodchewer

6 ай бұрын

You're right, I have wondered about that: who or what put a matter-consuming sink into the core of our star? And why? Because yeah, even if the brunt of BotNS takes place even a couple million years in the future, that's not long enough on the astronomical time table for our sun to be that sick. THAT should take at least another billion or two years, right?

I just don’t get the hype. Read the first two and found it easy enough to follow but mostly found it boring, considering how much praise is heaped upon this I was expecting a life changing reading experience….granted I haven’t read the last two books but still….what am I missing? Another book highly praised on book tube that I was excited to read but disappointed by was a fire upon the deep… I thought it read more dated than some of the early 50s classics like childhood’s end. Maybe I’m just dumb.

@samuelyeates2326

5 ай бұрын

You really have to finish to get it. Once I finished it, I immediately went "OH shit!, I need to read this whole darn thing again to understand this stuff. I have read these books about 5 times, and still am working on understanding everything. The huge payoffs are available on repeat readings.

Because of this KZread channel I listen to the Audible version of first four book of this series and I don't get it. It was a good story but not the epic I was expecting. I suspect I am to unreliable of an audience for this unreliable narrator style. I just seemed to miss a lot of the nuance and mystery. I might have to try reading it rather than listening to it to make it click.

@MediaDeathCult

11 ай бұрын

That's quite normal, read the 5th book, watch the explained videos, then read them all again, greatness awaits

@r3lativ

11 ай бұрын

I tried to listen to the audiobook, but thought it was impossible. It needs to be read on paper. It's too dense.

@tasosalexiadis7748

11 ай бұрын

@@r3lativ Audiobook can work if you listen to it three times on a row.

Wait, I'm confused.

@foodchewer

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, that's normal.