Thanks from us White belt who need to understand the basic 👌🏼

@Charles-mv7sv

Жыл бұрын

The basics are: he's taller. Don't be fooled ramblings of technique. Wheres the footage of taller opponents?

@efka9667

Жыл бұрын

@@Charles-mv7sv 6:40 for instance

@yamjam7434

Жыл бұрын

@@Charles-mv7sv are you dumb..?

@Charles-mv7sv

Жыл бұрын

@@yamjam7434 your comment was shadow banned, sorry d00d

Let's be honest, wrestling in BJJ is terrible. It's mostly just bad tie ups that lead to nothing. Everyone in ADCC got thrown with uchi mata because for some reason we can't get it through our heads that grabbing the waist from any position other than from behind is just begging to get tossed. With all the forward pressure Gordon was giving Pedro a little bit of proper elbow control with a side duck should have given him the back but everyone just clears instead of attacking. Also, can we stop the interlocking of fingers crap? Everyone does it because everyone else does it. It's not a grip. Rant over. Lol

@fennec812

Жыл бұрын

The state of standup in BJJ is definitely… not great. Unfortunately, a lot of the culture within BJJ seems to prop up the idea that they are gaining ground on the wrestlers/judoka/sambists, etc. of the world. Frankly, nothing I’ve seen depicts growth anywhere near that. I wouldn’t ever expect BJJ guys to be creme of the crop stand up guys, but I also would expect… a lot more than this? I mean this is the best guy in the sport by an absolute mile and I’d bet an intermediate wrestler in his weight class could probably run shop on him in the stand up. Wrestler would absolutely get submitted on the ground, but I’d bet money on his ability to take Gordon down pretty much with impunity if this was his game plan. I also don’t know if this wrestling is necessarily “from” Danaher. I suspect he probably told Gordon to do what Gordon does which is play the excruciatingly long pressure game and make people tired. Leaning heavy on people and tossing out foot sweeps isn’t really what I’d call a “system” lol. Danaher is well-connected enough to bring in stand up guys and clearly understands systemization as evidenced by his groundwork coaching. This, to me, doesn’t seem like it’s a fleshed out strategy so much as it’s just Gordon Ryan being Gordon Ryan. And honestly why would it be? Throws-tragically-just don’t really win BJJ matches.

@nicholasneyhart396

Жыл бұрын

Eh, if you know what you are doing a waistlock from the front or side can be very powerful in wrestling. My only takedowns that were effective were a Tani otoshi from a side bearhug and leg reaps, mat returns, and lat drops from the front.

@MesGuided

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for being sceptical Aaron.

@kovenmaitreya7184

Жыл бұрын

@@fennec812 I'm heavily interested in stand up for MMA and real world, but I don't think Danaher and Gordon are trying to redevelop takedown systems from scratch. I think they do have a strategy and it involves what was said at the beginning. They're attempting to create an effort and energy expenditure imbalance while being defensively sound.. that's all. But it's starting at standing. Because of that, being incredible wrestlers, judokas, or sambists will not suit their goals. I think Gordon is doing exactly what him and John planned out. Coincidentally, It's the exact gameplan one of the greatest MMA fighters, who IS an incredible wrestler, judoka, and sambist, uses: "I'm going to make him tired, and maul him inside the cage" -Khabib Nurmagomedov

@nathantheophilus4856

Жыл бұрын

I hear you but that's also like saying that boxing in MMA is terrible - it is, but only because we judge it by boxing standards, because of all the "wrong " things that are done are necessary to prevent other stuff in MMA that are not anticipated in a traditional boxing ruleset. Same thing with wrestling and Judo in BJJ, they're always more messy, awkward, and even poor - but we see a similar level of poorness from when practitioners who look good in wrestling/judo hit the mats when it's a bjj ruleset. Satoshi Iishi is brilliant but doesn't exactly look like an olympic judoka in a bjj ruleset. Bo Nickal certainly didn't look his part when he grapples. Maybe it's not worse or better - it's just different when different considerations are in place.

Very insightful. Great breakdown!

Let's be honest, Gordon Ryan is doing what he is doing on his feet for one reason: he doesn't wrestle very well. (A good-to-great HS wrestler would beat him in a pure takedown game, and any college wrestler would do the same.) And he is getting away with it for two reasons: 1) Most of his opponents are similarly skilled in the takedown game. 2) All of his opponents are scared to death of what happens when they get to the ground. In short, he doesn't need to know how to wrestle very well to be the best submission grappler in the world. Wrestling has plenty to offer the BJJ world, but the rule set dictates the techniques/strategies that are dominant. On a side note, if you watch the Gordon Ryan v Pat Downey match you can see Ryan does actually know how to wrestle better than what he is showing here, even though he gets picked apart by Downey. He just doesn't need to worry about getting taken down in most submission grappling rule-sets because it has so little impact on the outcome of the contest. So, if you are going to learn any lessons from analyzing GR's wrestling it is this: become the most feared submission grappler in the world, and you won't have to defend legitimate takedown attacks, which will allow you to have a lazy standup game where you bully people and they are still not taking you down.😉

@nathantheophilus4856

Жыл бұрын

But that applies not only to GR but just anyone who does nogi as well. It's the same logic on why mma boxing seems "wrong" by pure pugilism standards because the threats are completely different and you need to do some things "wrong" to get it "right" In short he has phenomenal BJJ-for -Wrestling because there isn't any merit for him to study wrestling-for-wrestling. Pat downey and bo nickal both look nothing like their wrestling selves once the bjj rules were in place- they were also hesitant and scared and sloppy and amateurish. BJJ ruleset bo nickal doesn't shoot the way wrestling bo nickal does, and he gets kani basami'd so many times in that match it almost looked like a meme. So yes, his wrestling sucks by wrestling standards - but should he be judged by that standard?

@jojotwice8918

Жыл бұрын

what's the point of the takedown if it gets u to a more dangerous position? wrestling's end goal is the takedown, pin the opponent to the ground. bjj end goal is to immobilize ur opponent

@schenksteven1

Жыл бұрын

@@jojotwice8918 You asked, "whats the point of the takedown?" What is the context? Are you asking, what is the point of the takedown within a BJJ ruleset?

@schenksteven1

Жыл бұрын

@@nathantheophilus4856 I would say his wrestling isn't great for a BJJ ruleset either.

@matthewfon3649

10 ай бұрын

I agree with most of your points in that most BJJ guys would get toyed with in an actual wresting match (I.e. Gordon Ryan vs Pat Downey). However, we have seen high level wrestlers, such as PJ Barch who wrestled D1 for University of Pennsylvania, who were still beaten on the feet in a submission grappling tournament. Firstly, PJ wasn’t able to take down Kade Ruotolo and had a very close match against JT Torres. Both of those guys had never wrestled prior to BJJ and both of them stood their own against PJ, getting good offense and Kade even beating him. There are even stories of some world class wrestlers who were invited to train at New Wave with Gordon and Danaher, and would spar in an ADCC takedowns ruleset (so no pulling guard). And supposedly got dismantled by the BJJ guys even in takedowns. The nature of a BJJ match (it’s long duration and the threat of guillotines) means that the hunched over position seen in wrestling would be too exhausting , since wrestlers only have to go for a couple minutes at a time. ADCC may go on for 20-30 minutes. The upright stance means that regular shots are harder (and hence sloppier) with more distance needed to cover. Also, hand fighting tends to be less committed with more “feeling out” than in wrestling, making it seem sloppy. To summarise, due to the ruleset and not necessarily a massive skill discrepancy (although there likely is some), wrestling requires a more explosive and fast paced style in which a crouched posture is beneficial, while BJJ requires a more upright style which tends towards longer and drawn out engagements which can seem sloppy.

Awesome video! Great analysis as always

Great analysis! Made me realize there is a lot of cross over with MT clinch grip fighting for the collar tie.

This is brilliant bro -- subscribed!

Best one yet! Love this new channel!

This video was awesome thanks for the break down!

Gordon is extremely talented but it’s his Jiu Jitsu IQ that makes him the GOAT.

Love your analysis. Good job

Great video! Would love to see more of the foot sweeps/ashi waza from the New Wave team!

great content cheers!

love it, subbed

Subbed now, after this video popped into my feed - it speaks volumes of your own evolution and personal path, that your standard is to put forth, apparently, only a properly careful investigative analysis (with sufficient depth of understanding to notice what's relevant and important), carried out in a slow, measured, well-illustrated process. Well done - Thanks. 👍

Fantastic vid 🙌🏼

Great video

Awesome breakdown ... Looking for a stand-up analysis for a long time since I new to BJJ and want a simple concept with high % low risk attacks . Keep it up man 👌

@Presence_o_Mind

Жыл бұрын

John Danaher has a takedown instructional that's pure gold! What are you waiting for? Bite the bullet and spend the money.

I watched Gordon Ryan get tech Falled in Less than a minute against Pat Downey. They switched to BJJ and Gordon Beat Downey. I felt like Downey did better at BJJ than Gordon was at wrestling.

The passion is riveting

Its kind of a weird style, i wouldnt call it wrestling because in a traditional wrestling sense he stalls a lot on his feet and stands up straight and avoids shooting quite a bit. He uses Some wrestling elements but his style is 100% grappling focused i wouldnt really study him for wrestling techniques lol great defensive grappler though.

Such an amazing breakdown. I now need an over view of collar ties and basic takedowns. Patience is a strategy.

Andddd thank you

High grade educational content up in here y'all 🙏🙏

Just found your Chanel, great stuff

6'4" white bekt who struggles with wrestling.. I thank you

Brilliant! Subscribed 👍

Breakdown stand up of Bo Nickal Vs Gordan Ryan please to see how traditional wrestler deals with him.

So, step 1: be taller than your opponents. 🙃🔫

I have a question: will this type of stance grappling work in mma? Or BJJ grappling in general?

@AustinSennMMA

Жыл бұрын

It works in bjj given you have the skillset to pull it off, however in mma i'd recommend sticking to a normal stance since it's built for the sport

I like the breakdown good potential for the channel, do you train any martial arts yourself or just analysis?

@AustinSennMMA

Жыл бұрын

I've done Judo, wrestling, bjj, and some striking. I mainly got into analysis to improve my own technical ability, however making videos breaking things down peaked my interest

@parsifal40

Жыл бұрын

@@AustinSennMMA 👍 Keep up the good work

@moonsdonut5188

Жыл бұрын

@@AustinSennMMA I want to see som judo throws for no gi please make a video.

How to kill BJJ for MMA. Good job.

please keep doing these ! good work. Similar to ayrshire grappler channel that used to be active a couple years ago!

Wait, so Meregalli never trained no gi before going to Danaher? I find that hard to believe.

@danieldelanoche2015

Жыл бұрын

well you don't have to believe Meregali if you don't want to I guess lol

@kovenmaitreya7184

Жыл бұрын

Tbh though... I still maintain that gi is harder than nogi 😅

@Shogun973

6 ай бұрын

He’s obviously lying just didn’t do it as much

Be good if you broke down derrider grappling with mma his current middle weight and light heavyweight champion of One Championship has blackbelts in Jitsu and judo I believe

Basic wrestling and fighting. Same as being on the ground, don't let anyone control your head

Real life zangief.

The main blueprint is the roids

so lame to watch and more and more it is less effective in MMA meaning it's actual effectiveness is starting to be matched and defeated. .

Gordon should not be analyzed for his wrestling 🤦🏽‍♂️

There is no "special" Gordon Ryan system , maybe his strategy is different but for the most part he does basic techniques, the reason he makes things look easier is his size and strength. (The steroids help too!)

@liamohara8398

Жыл бұрын

Lol

@RussianConnection22

Жыл бұрын

The keyboard warriors back at it again 🤡

@gunner3613

Жыл бұрын

@@RussianConnection22 what did I say 🤷🏻‍♂️ just stating facts🤦🏻‍♂️

@MrDayday4641

Жыл бұрын

The Gordon Stans at it again.

@db2360

Жыл бұрын

At adcc everyone was pretty similar in size. Your facts are No facts

Someone teach the other guy how to use a underhook

@AustinSennMMA

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, if only some handsome combat sport analyst made a video on underhook attacks for them to watch *cough cough*

Gordon Ryan or Khabib ?

@AustinSennMMA

Жыл бұрын

In a grappling match Gordon