1) Watching Jim Plunkett in this clips, it's hard to fathom that this is the same dude that won two Supes! 2) Phil Bengston's Lombardi-style no-nonsense approach. The folk in Green Bay let him know, quick......that he wasn't Lombardi! Plus, the labor ramifications of what Bengston did. 3) Speaking of labor, Notice that Garrett had to hire a lawyer, himself, to fight his suspension, as opposed to his union having his back!

These odd stories are great!

Garrett actually got himself a SB ring with the Raiders in 1976 ,he played inthe game and performed well on his select few carries ,4 rushes for 19 yds, and 1 rec for 11 yds .

@carnakthemagnificent336

3 жыл бұрын

Great team - I remember him playing for the Raiders.

Just found the channel Ive been looking for a historical football channel just like this, keep it up your going to be big time.

@BrendonChase2012

3 жыл бұрын

There will times when you may need to spike the ball on every single play.

@timtresch4848

3 жыл бұрын

@@BrendonChase2012 huh

@j.p.pelzman7481

3 жыл бұрын

@@BrendonChase2012 But first, he needs some context

@jpmnky

3 жыл бұрын

I discovered this guy a month ago. He had 5k subscribers. Now he’s over 12, in five or six weeks. I’m glad he’s getting exposure. Dude has the talent to blow up. And he probably will. I’ve seen a lot of people mentioning he had/has a following on reddit.

@BrendonChase2012

3 жыл бұрын

@@DrumAndDrumber You should have just spiked the ball into the ground of every single play.

Arguably the most controversial call that went against the Patriots was in their 1976 playoff game against the Raiders. I’m guessing most of you know about this, but here’s the story for the record. The Patriots were leading the Raiders 21-17 late in the game, and had the Raiders facing 3rd and 18 from the Patriots 29 yard line. Ken Stabler threw a pass that fell incomplete. However, Referee Ben Dreith called roughing the passer on Ray Hamilton of the Patriots. Stabler ran for a touchdown with 10 seconds to play and the Raiders won and advanced to their first Super Bowl championship. The intended receiver on the play in which Hamilton got called for roughing was...wait for it...Carl Garrett.

@dapumpking7202

3 жыл бұрын

Im a pats fan and hearing this i could destroy sofi stadium

@matthewdaley746

3 жыл бұрын

Well, at least, the Patriots kept the Raiders from having a perfect season, oh, and, they wouldn't have beaten the Steelers, anyway, even, without, their, RBs.

@matthewdaley746

3 жыл бұрын

@@dapumpking7202 They should be far more upset by the fact that they've, lost, three, SBs, to teams, with, a combined record of, 32-16.

@alice_evermore

3 жыл бұрын

Was it that controversial? Sugar Bear Hamilton "belted" Stabler in the head on that pass.

@matthewdaley746

3 жыл бұрын

@@alice_evermore The Patriots, were, both, the road team, and, the underdog, expecting the officials to swallow their whistles, was, naive, at best, stupid, at worst.

That hit by Tatum on Stingley was brutal. I know, I was at that game in the upper deck. The stadium was dead silent as the ambulance was brought in.

@adambaum9732

3 жыл бұрын

Most people who say that they were there when something happened, they are incorrect, they most often miss remember. You are most likely one of those people. You may have been to a game, and someone was taken in an ambulance, but it was not that game or even that player who got injured. This phenomenon is why millions of people make the false claim that they were at the original Woodstock music festival.

@jbj7599

3 жыл бұрын

@@adambaum9732 i was at woodstock tho! I was born in 1986 but i was there!!!

@dickwhite7046

3 жыл бұрын

@@adambaum9732 Mighty bold of you to call someone a liar so casually. In some places that can get your ass kicked.....

@adambaum9732

3 жыл бұрын

@@dickwhite7046 Is that a threat? It sure looks like to me that you are threating me with violence. Delete you comment or I will report you.

@toonsis

3 жыл бұрын

It was a legal hit in that day and age. The middle of the field was a dangerous place for a WR

Your channel is a God send. Seriously. I’m really into NFL history and you’re bringing it to us in these fascinating episodes. Please keep up the great work, sir!

How bad were the '72 Patriots? So bad they had a worse point differential than the 1-14 Oilers, and it wasn't even close.

@mr.cardguy7635

3 жыл бұрын

Second worse point differential in NFL history during the 14 game era. Only team worse was the infamous 1976 Tampa Bay Buccaneers

@johnkennethnoe

2 жыл бұрын

John Noe here the son. Ahh what a year as I was 14 years old. Two blowout losses to the Jets. The Jets newspaper called the Pats the New England Patsies. Opening day blowout loss at home to Cincinnati. Lost 33-3 to the Steelers and a blowout loss to Buffalo who were also bad and losing 31-0 to the 5-9 Colts. Season ended with a blowout loss to the Broncos and the highlight of the year the 52-0 whitewash to Miami. That loss still to this day is the worst in Patriots history. I had nothing to cheer in the late sixties and early seventies until Tom Brady came along these last twenty years and erased all of the bad memories. Six Super Bowl wins cured the bad memories.

Another Carl Garrett story to look into: in 1971, he was traded to the Cowboys for Duane Thomas. Thomas' first practice did NOT go well with New England. The trade was reversed.

@ALTAIR2

3 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah I saw this on the America's Game about the 71 Cowboys

@matthewdaley746

3 жыл бұрын

If only Duane Thomas, was, in fact, a remotely solid teammate, he truly could have been, a, HOFer, but, he wasn't, and, he isn't.

@matthewdaley746

3 жыл бұрын

@@ALTAIR2 Yeah, he, probably, talked more on that single episode than he did during his entire time playing, with, the Cowboys.

@ALTAIR2

3 жыл бұрын

@@matthewdaley746 he complained about everything

@marcdaley

3 жыл бұрын

Duane was definitely different. Some of his teammates let him be as long as he was contributed to their success but the trust between him and coaches/ownership was gone.

Always fun to watch these throw back videos and stories behind the strange stories in the NFL

This channel is awesome love all these obscure facts and stories! Definitely gonna subscribe!

Official jaguargator9 Great work bro! You're the next Stevd Sabol, your presentations are compelling well researched and your narration is witty and factual. Keep up the fantastic work!👍👍

Two of the Patriots quoted in the article about Garrett's trade weren't with the Patriots much longer. Both Mike Montler and Jim Cheyunski were with the Bills in the 1973 season.

@DolFan316

3 жыл бұрын

A bad team getting rid of whiners and complainers, imagine that. Sadly, no team would have the balls to do that today.

@joevignolor4u949

2 жыл бұрын

@@DolFan316 Belichick's Patriots would.

Great vid, keep the greatness comkng 🙂🙂🙂

You should also do two videos on two College coaching legends, Bear Bryant with the Dolphins in 1970 and Joe Paterno with the Patriots in 1973, who had hand shake deals with those NFL teams, only to back out at the last moment.

Practice is part of the job. Practice is work and you get paid for it. If you dont practice you get suspended.

@TheJohnnySlick

3 жыл бұрын

If you miss one practice you’re suspended for the whole year, even though no rules had been set regarding punishment for missing practice?

@CatsClaw44

2 жыл бұрын

But the suspension should not be unreasonable.

I live for old Pats footage. Your channel is a goldmine. Look at that 1972 stuff. The goal posts are on the goal line and the posts are IN PLAY. Also, the last of the 4 seasons of the "clean look" Patriots uniforms of 1969-72.

You could do a video on the weird direction of Phil Bengtson's career. He was regarded as a laid-back coach, added the GM duties to his head coaching duties with Green Bay in 1969, and was let go after 1970. The Chargers hired him as defensive coordinator in '71, and GM Harland Svare fired him after 10 games. He was then brought back as a scout in '72, and lent to the Patriots as head coach for the last 5 games. He was released by New England after the season, fired by the Chargers three days later, and then ended up back with the Patriots as a scout. The Patriots replaced Carl Garrett on the roster with Mack Herron, who had been the CFL's most exciting player in 1971 and '72 with Winnipeg, but was run out of the league for off-field drug problems.

My mother had a pro football digest on this particular season, and in Carl Garrett's profile it describes his situation. Duane Thomas, yeah, he had his own problems with the Cowboys, and the Patriots & Cowboys tried to trade a headache for a headache but were stymied. I read that John Mazur was considered to be a little "off" mentally, so the Patriots firing him was probably a good idea.

Stingley was NE 3rd 1st round draft pick. The other 2 were John Hannah who became NE 1st player in Canton in 1991 and Sam Bam Cunningham.

@saralemirande3504

Жыл бұрын

Isn't it amazing with that trio of first rounders the Patriots didn't contend as much in the 70s?

Carl Garrett ended up in Oakland and got a Super Bowl XI ring so it worked for him

If the last name Stingley sounds familiar to you, it may be because the Stingley family is 3 generations of football royalty. While Darryl may have suffered tragedy, his son Derrick found success in the Arena Football League as arguably the greatest player in league history. As for his son Derrick Stingley Jr., all I need to say is that the man is wearing #7 at LSU this season and is projected to be a top 10/top 5 pick (as an LSU fan, I can confirm he's AMAZING)

love your videos. would you please do a video about joe kapp coming to patriots and his forced retirement and why traded from vikings right after he led them to super bowl and even though lost, vikings did win an nfl championship. lot of intrigue & interesting info in this story. have a nice day.

Hey man it would be cool if you did some in depth looks at players careers. Like how they started, turned out, and ended up.

Totally get what Bengtson was trying to do, but this is a good example of why interim bosses are warned against rocking the boat too soon. Even if the Pats needed shaking up and Garrett was not a long-term solution worth investing in, you don't need the turmoil of punishing a proven producer just because you want to make a point. I bet Lombardi even would bend a little more.

@denisceballos9745

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, IMO, a one game suspension would have sent a message plenty - but for the duration of the season???

@DolFan316

3 жыл бұрын

@@denisceballos9745 People in charge got power-mad then and still do now.

@eugenedenbrook322

3 жыл бұрын

With the benefit of hindsight, maybe he should've met with Carl first, made sure the expectation was very clear, since the previous regime seems to have been wishy washy. After that, drop the friggin' hammer. I think Lombardi first told his team, "Gentleman, this is a football. By the time we're done..." etc. He made sure they knew the expectation, and they would probably hate him, and some of them moved (or were moved) on.

Jim Plunkett was the best player on the Patriots at this time.

@DolFan316

3 жыл бұрын

ACTUALLY...according to pro-football-reference.com Garrett really WAS the best player on the '72 Pats with an AV rating of 7 (Plunkett's AV was 6). A season AV of 7 is considered average, which shows how brutally awful that team really was.

Hey wanted to let you know about three side stories related to this that I think would make GREAT videos. 1) Mazur succeeded Clive Rush as the Patriots HC in mid 1970, Rush, Joe Namath's OC with the 68 Jets, was a last min. choice by the Pats in 69 BECAUSE The Coach they were all set to hire, CHUCK NOLL was a Colts asst coach and the since the Jets beat the Colts in SB III upset, they changed there mind, oh how NFL History would have been different. 2) Bengston was a scout for the Chargers when he was "loaned" to the Patriots with the understanding that he would return to the Chargers after the 71 season was over, a lame duck from the beginning, lol. 3) Garrett was traded to the Cowboys for RB Duane Thomas, at the beginning of 71 Training camp (story in the 71 Cowboys episode of America's Game.) The trade was rescinded by Comm. Rozelle because Thomas refused Mazur's coaching orders...during practice, I think the trade only lasted 2 days and both players were returned to there respective teams.

@matthewdaley746

3 жыл бұрын

Very easy to forget that Chuck Noll's, Post-Glory, career, was, a career in itself, Duane Thomas talked his way out of the, Cowboys, the, NFL, and, possibly, the, HOF, stupid.

Practice? Practice? Practice?

Wasn't Carl Garrett the intended receiver when Sugar Bear Hamilton got called for roughing the passer on Ken Stabler that eventually won the Raiders the game in the 1976 AFC Divisional Playoff against Garrett's original team?

He was basically the whole offense at that time

Knowing Jack Tatum, and knowing the end result of the hit, you would expect it to be much worse than it was. It was actually a clean hit. Grogan is as much to blame as Tatum was. So if you are going out to see the hit, don't be surprised if you are disappointed.

@matthewdaley746

3 жыл бұрын

The same thing happens, with, fatal, NASCAR, accidents, the worse it looks, the more, likely, the driver is to survive the accident.

Art Shell also tried to suspend Jerry Porter in 2006.

Carl Garrett is my uncle. He was a great player and a great human being.

You have been covering some dangerous topics! First, in your worst 24 hours vid, you talking about a person who was terrible. Then you talked about death threats. And now you have a hit so bad you are unwilling to show it. YIKES!

I've heard of Carl Garrett but I'm not sure if it was with my boys (Patriots), the hit on Stingley was so unnecessary, the pass was uncatchable but Tatum had to hit him. He never apologized for the hit either. Eventually Tatum had his own leg amputated and was confined to a wheelchair

Wasn’t Garrett one of the players involved in the Duane Thomas trade before the 1971 season?

This guy should do the story of the 7 foot tall defensive tackle Richard Sligh of the Oakland Raiders. He was there only one season. What happened to him?

2:56 It looks like Dolphins the pursuer (#41) deliberately falls in the path of his teammate (#20) to keep him from tackling Garrett. Why...?

The coach's name was pronounced MAY-ZUHR.

Back in the good ol' days when the Patriots were irrelevant.

@davester1970

3 жыл бұрын

Before Bob Kraft bought the Patriots, the only people who went to Patriot games were those who couldn't get Red Sox, Celtics or Bruins tickets.

Shows how bad the 1972 Patriots were if Carl Garrett was considered their best player. I would have said Jim Plunkett was considered their best player that season but I guess you could make an argument that Garrett was.

@DolFan316

3 жыл бұрын

Accoring ot pro-football-reference.com Garrett really was that team's best player, with Plunkett, Montler, WR Reggie Rucker and G Len St. Jean being a close second.

At 2:56, what the hell was 41 on the Bills doing??? It looked like he might possibly have a bead on Garrett, or at least he was gaining on him enough to have a decent chance at tripping him up if he’d dove forward at around the 10 yard-line, but instead it looked like he purposely peeled back a little and tried to slide feet first and leg-whip Garrett, and ended up completely taking himself out of the play! Very weird.

@hughgurney8686

3 жыл бұрын

I wondered about that - it's bizarre. First thought I came up with is he got injured, pulled a muscle or cleats got stuck in the astroturf. Second look, I wonder if he overbalanced as he went to strip the ball as it's so close to goal line - certainly looked like he was close enough have tackled him before that. Not sure how much they tried to do that in the 70s

@jeremycrandall2899

3 жыл бұрын

@@hughgurney8686 I guess that’s as good an explanation as any, but yeah, with the possible exception of Mike Hegman in Super Bowl XIII, I don’t think very many defensive players thought about stripping the ball until LT came along and patented the strip-sack, so they probably weren’t doing that very much in the 70s.

49 Years Ago

If Garrett tried that with Belichick he would have been suspended in less than three hours.

Sports Illustrated published this article about the Patriots in the Oct. 18, 1971 issue: vault.si.com/vault/1971/10/18/theres-no-need-to-pity-the-pats

@DolFan316

3 жыл бұрын

Mr. Boston was still around at least in the mid '90s, I had many a sample of their product 😎

People defending this suspension is crazy. You should get punished but it should not be unreasonable. You should not be suspended without pay for the rest of the year for missing ONE practice. There's a reason why the Patriots and Chargers didn't want this Bengston around. Meanwhile Garrett went on to win a Super Bowl ring with the Raiders.

Garrett got a ring in 1976 at least.

That 1981 Patriots team was pretty bad.

@DolFan316

3 жыл бұрын

They weren't "bad" per se, just unlucky. It takes a LOT of horrible luck to be 2-14 while getting outscored by a mere 48 points. Half their losses were by 6 points or less, including 2 OT defeats. At one point they were 2-8 with a PD of just -6 😲😲😲

@howardcosell2022

3 жыл бұрын

@@DolFan316 After 5 seasons of supposed to being the next great team, the squad imploded in 1981 where everything went wrong. The franchise still had a foundation bouncing back in 1982 with a 5-4 record and remained competitive throughout the eighties until the end of the Victor Kiam years

@johnkennethnoe

2 жыл бұрын

@@DolFan316 John Noe here as everything that could go wrong went wrong. One of the losses was to Buffalo on a last second Hail Mary play.

This is my uncle

wasn’t all bad for chicago. he sucked enough they drafted payton in 1975

Jim Plumket should be hall fame.

@saralemirande3504

Жыл бұрын

2 SB victories should be enough but his comeback as a Raiders starter would also factor in that enshrinment

Coach MAY-zur.

Lets play the drinking game, everytime he says understatement, spiking the ball, and his other statement words in every video. I am not responisible for anyones death in that, as you will intoxicate yourself to death due to damn copy and pasting on scripts.

nobody talking about 2:55... huh

Cover the Eli Herring story

if I don't get context by 2 minutes into the video, I'm out

Fun fact number 16 Jim plunkett is the only qb in patriots history other then the tom Brady to win a Superbowl as a starting QB with another team. Of course plunkett never even made the playoffs with the patriots.

it's a little weak that you don't show plays you talk about, like the Darryl Stingley hit. that was a terrible thing that happened to him. but you really should tell the whole story or don't tell the story at all. I notice this kind of thing in a lot of your videos.

@OfficialJaguarGator9

2 жыл бұрын

KZread is very strict when it comes to showing gruesome plays like that. I’ve seen creators get demonetized and suspended for showing those kinds of plays. It’s strictly me going on the side of caution, because the pros of showing plays like that are significantly less than the cons

@jmj7599

2 жыл бұрын

@@OfficialJaguarGator9 I'm sorry to hear that. Sounds like you have your hands tied. I did not know that.

took you 11 minutes to give 2 minutes of info?

@eugenedenbrook322

3 жыл бұрын

Don't understand story telling, huh? Guess you still stayed for 11 minutes 🙂

John Mazur is pronounced MAY-zurr not the way JG9 does it.