Minor nit pick she wasnt just a house wife its brought up that she and her husband shared the jobs and that she was decent hunter, so she had to know how to shoot pretty well.

@grahambtransparency9146

4 ай бұрын

Exactly 👍 while John was in jail and Arthur in the jungle she was "hunting O'Driscoll's". She's a stand alone like Charles . I dare him to say this all to her face.😅

@jujubees5855

4 ай бұрын

When playing Five Finger fillet with Arthur she mentions that she was raised in the mountains so I imagine she has some survival Instinct and skills.

@ryanlopez1050

4 ай бұрын

She talks about working in the fields like she don’t live in small cabin in the mountains covered by snow

@_cookson

4 ай бұрын

@@ryanlopez1050one of the first story details we get is that it was an extra harsh winter that was rolling into spring. It isn’t usually all snow up there in the spring canonically I don’t think. Go look at pictures of Colorado spring vs winter. It’s not always snowy in the mountains and there are small farms.

@jujubees5855

4 ай бұрын

​@@ryanlopez1050look up Farming at - 71c on here. It's a very interesting channel about how people in a remote village in the coldest of place.

I think the best description for Sadie is the old phrase “someone with nothing left to lose is a lot more dangerous then someone with a lot to lose”

Sadie was always tough, she was subdued in the early chapters because she was in mourning over Jake's *very* recent death and the loss of her entire life.

@DeadX2

3 ай бұрын

Nah she was always a coward who was bluffing she never backs up what she says

@nebula8246

3 ай бұрын

​@@DeadX2 what?

@DeadX2

3 ай бұрын

@@nebula8246 what

@tammykolu1242

3 ай бұрын

Not really they dud s complete rewrite of her charcter the last years of the production

She was less hostile with Jake he seemed to have a calming effect on her without him her rage was fully unleashed

@shortsfordip7347

4 ай бұрын

I want whatever dude smoked made a whole theory about a cutscene that he himself said he don’t find canon

Sadie mentions to Arthur during a game of Five Finger fillet that she was raised in the mountains. I imagine being able to endure back then you have to have a survival skill set and inherit intellect for it. If you pay attention to the details you understand that she is definitely not a Mary Sue. Sadie isn't a people person and was raised in the mountains away from people so it makes sense that she and her husband would choose to continue to live that way. My husband passed away suddenly back in 2014. Like her I don't have any children. It's different I think for widows without children. Widows with children have something to ground them but I have honestly feel rudderless without my Sam, even after all this time. Including making wreckless choices to try to follow him to the darkness. And my rage would be off the charts after a lifetime of BS if anything but his own body breaking down took him from me. He's my always. This whole video is just seems like things you don't understand that makes sense to people who live a different life. Look up Farming at -71c on here. There are people that choose that life because it's what they have always known. I hope this helps make sense of the senselessness life throws.

@Luke_H98

4 ай бұрын

Great comment. Sorry for your loss.

@wizzykms

4 ай бұрын

u have my deepest condolences stranger

@threadychimp5565

4 ай бұрын

Sorry for your loss, hopefully things are going good for you

@RandomInternetGuy1011

4 ай бұрын

Nobody cares

@DavisJ-ln6fw

4 ай бұрын

Deepest condolences

I think the idea is the mountains aren’t always snowy, but for gameplay purposes they stay that way all the time.

@wesleycanada3675

3 ай бұрын

I think the East grizzlies are much more temptered but the west grizzlies are always snowy and tough

There's a western from the 1970s called Hannie Caulder. I think its something everyone should see because it's a direct mirror to Sadie's story. It's probably where Rockstar got their inspiration for the character.

@lilpoo91

4 ай бұрын

I just watched the assassination of Jesse James by the coward robert ford... They took a lot of inspiration from that movie too! So I bet you're right! I'll give that one a watch too

I’m happy to still see rdr2 vids in 2024

The game literally says that she did hunting and knows how to use a gun that is what she tells Arthur in that first mission

@CynicGTA

4 ай бұрын

Hunting is not the same thing as getting into a fire fight with someone else

@DavisJ-ln6fw

4 ай бұрын

Still it requires you to be able to use a gun. @@CynicGTA

@theoutsiderjess4869

4 ай бұрын

​@@CynicGTA yes but it shows she knows how to handle a gun and somewhat knows how to handle herself in a fight. If sadie joined the gang like a year or two earlier and worked with Arthur she would be a fine gunmen she has the potential

@DunceTree93

4 ай бұрын

​@CynicGTA youre right to an extent. Target shooting is different than hunting, hunting is different than your typical gunfights and even war is different than all of that...but if i remember correctly, in game she states, "i can hunt, fight and handle a gun"...which means she knows the difference and how to do it...to which she would HAVE to be good at both considering the lifestyle, time setting and location her and jake decided to live in. It was a lot more common for fronteir women(which is what sadie would be considered) to at least know how to handle a gun than people like to give credit for. It wasnt neccessarily the norm, but it was still more common than some people think. Death rates back then were extremely high from just about everything, then add the harshness of the american west EVEN in the end of the century. The norm was that everyone in the family, young children included, would know how to atleast handle a gun in a situation where theyre forced to defend themselves if the patriarch of the house couldnt do so for whatever reason. Usually it was father and son...but if there were just a man and wife or man, wife and daughters, wife and daughters would learn how to an certian extent. Its also very obviously implied in rdo(based on jakes and sadies reaction/dialogue to the player that sadie is the one wearing the holsters in that relationship, and thats shes had to "dispatch" threats before....not because jake was incapable of doing so, but because he was more of a pacifist, often times too quick to trust strangers literally walking into his ranch, barn and house. Its implied by jake that theyve been approached by murderers and robbers many many times...which wouldve been extremely dangerous and unfortunately proved to be so lmfao. It seems as though the o'driscalls managed to get the jump on them because of sheer numbers and the out of season blizzard. They may have taken advantage of jakes pascifist and generous nature, and jake offered them shelter from the blizzard.

If there was ever a character who was a kick butt lady that I wish I knew more about, it's definitely Black Belle. I enjoyed Sadie whenever she was around, but it was a little over the top sometimes like you said.

I’m fairly honestly disappointed with your take on that. Many details were glossed over. For instance, the fact she mentioned quite a few times she was sharing all chores with her husband, such as hunting. She knew how to shoot. She wasn’t some fancy clean hands woman. Also, the RDO cutscene isn’t damaging to her image. She always was tough and just like Jake said: they’ve been robbed MANY TIMES. She has a very choleric temper and that’s not something that will change and to think this isn’t compatible with her arch is total negligence. My most important concern is you saying she is a female Micah that happens to be on Arthur’s good side. That’s respectfully bs. The intentions truly matters, and there’s a huge gap between Micah’s narcissism and psychopathic tendencies and Sadie’s rage and recklessness. That’s a huge difference, both of their doings shouldn’t be categorized as the same under the label of « chaos ». Otherwise, I enjoy your content every time you post, i think you do a much better job than a lot of people i have seen covering the complexity of this game. I just disagree with some points you’re making.

sadie said her and Jack split the work, both did the hunting and the cooking, etc, they lived in harmony, the Online cutscene only reinforces this and shows that Sadie isnt a Mary Sue as she somehow knows what shes doing with a firearm, atleast for hunting, the death of Jack stunned Sadie and then she transformed this Sadness into hate and finally anger

@dustbuster

4 ай бұрын

jake*

@tammykolu1242

3 ай бұрын

But her knocking out a big dude with a punch is very mary Sue like

I don't think there's anything suspicious about the Adler Ranch, or why Jake and Sadie were living there. It's a fact that people did (and still do) build lives in these harsh, mountain environments. In fact you can read a newspaper article in Chapter 2, explaining that the heavy snowfall at the very beginning of the game was an anomaly for the time of year, and that there was concern for potential flooding as the Spring meltwater flows out of the mountains. That suggest to me that the region around Adler Ranch, Colter and Ewing Basin would in reality, likely be green and lush for most of the year, only normally seeing heavy snow in the Winter. Living there would be tough, but far from impossible.

I think Sadie is a metaphor for the gang of how they got abducted and turned into monsters

Sadie was like Micah in terms of enjoying the killing. She turned into a monster when Jake died.

Id like to point out Jake says you gotta trust someone Sadie that’s prob what got him killed he trusted the Odrisscolls

Hope you have fun making these. I think these type of lore vids cool

I love your videos and most of your takes but this one is kinda dumb. I think you overthought her appearance in RDRO and didn’t notice the theatricality in her demeanour. She clearly wasn’t as intimidating as she tried to come across. That’s why her husband laughed after she threatened our character. She was just overcompensating to make sure our character’s not trying to scam or harm them. I don’t think it changes anything about her because that behaviour displays her survival instincts and the only thing that changes about her is that she no longer has them after Jake dies.

@charlessmith9753

4 ай бұрын

Even the voice actress had a much softer voice

@rekt2665

4 ай бұрын

Thank you

@DunceTree93

4 ай бұрын

You said it is a lot better than i did lmfao. Thank you

@tammykolu1242

3 ай бұрын

Sadie is just a female micah

The murder of Jake is not a catalyst to turn Sadie into a raging murderer, the loss of her husband and by extension all her plans and hopes for the future, is the reason she develops a death wish. She has nothing left to lose. Sadie's character arc is not ruined by the RD Online cut scene because her arc is not one of a meek and mild widow inspired by the cold-blooded murder of her husband to become a violent madwoman in search of vengeance who develops a very particular set of skills that make her a nightmare for people like the O'Driscolls. Instead, her character arc involves Sadie coming to the realization that her selfish O'Driscoll revenge mission only served to dehumanize her in the end. She completes her character and redemption arc helping her gang friends get to safety, fulfilling a promise to Arthur. She goes from selfish, wreckless, miserable vengeance seeker to a hardened but selfless friend trying her best to stop being the monster she feels her enemies had turned her into. When we first encounter Sadie, she is wildly attacking Micah Bell. She is not hiding, or meekly begging for her life to be spared, she is screaming and throwing everything she can at Micah. She is the inversion or opposite of Micah. Arthur questions Micah's bravery and praises Sadie's courage. Sadie works for the camp while Micah does nothing. Micah is a skilled gunfighter where Sadie is not. Micah prioritizes self preservation while Sadie has little concern for her own well-being. Their opposing virtues and vices are many in order to demonstrate that they are dissimilar but what they both have in common is a willingness to use the gang to each reach their goals. But while Micah is incapable of growth, Sadie does manage to temper her worst qualities. Not completely perhaps, but while hunting Micah in the Epilogue for example, the vengeance she pursues is not for herself but for her friend Arthur.

Sadie is a ride or die, truly the last of the OG's. Just a fantastic character.

You do such a great job with red dead videos they are entertaining good work!!

i dont understand how her acting the same way before her husband die vs after he died and when shes healing "takes away from her story arc" she lost her husband. it tore her apart, she picked up the pieces and moved on, using the pain from her grief, turning it into rage and using that rage to get revenge and drive forward. loss doesnt completely change everybody. i had a best friend and lover that died, it was aweful. i miss him. i am still the same person, just carrying the grief with me. i break down and have moments but im still the same person. i dont see why sadie "has to change". shes still the same person. she just has a different reason to fight and as she said "someone with nothing to lose is a lot more damgerous than someone with anything to lose"

*To me she was always a wolf disguised as a regular civilian when she was with her husband, she even inquired robbing a store owner in rhodes with Arthur when they was just going to get some mail from the post office...but honestly when you think about it Sadie is just the younger version of Arthur....but the truth is as a person Sadie is more safer to be around as a licensed bounty hunter than a hostile housewife or a gangmember...Sadie's story is about finding your people....*

@jujubees5855

4 ай бұрын

I had a weird moment after my husband died where I had a lot of anger and wanted to blow crap up. There's nothing logical about grief. I was kind of wanting for someone to start crap with me just so I could get into a fight and beat the crap out of anything. That's not normal for me. 😂 My mother-in-law kind of describe the same feeling when she went through it.

@enigma7310

4 ай бұрын

@@jujubees5855 how's your life now, just asking?

@jujubees5855

4 ай бұрын

@@enigma7310 I still miss him and despite everything I tried, I still feel like half of me got torn away and is all old pain and scars. Everything is bittersweet, even the best days. Because I always wish Sam was still here. The rage is gone as I accepted he held on as long as he could and he's not suffering anymore. Especially now that my slow decline has begun and I couldn't bear to see him further break down physically.

@enigma7310

4 ай бұрын

@@jujubees5855 *God blessed you in the end though, cause now you'll never feel the same level of pain ever again....😇*

@jujubees5855

4 ай бұрын

@@enigma7310 I have lost so many people I love so I do pray that I go before I have to endure more. I hope no one left I love gets taken.

Not that Sadie would want to stay in her home but it always struck me as odd Sadie wasn’t even a little pissed that the vanderlin gang is the reason her house burnt. Probably because they also saved her life at the same time

Of all the games, Sadie is one of my top favorite characters from Rd2 making it to my top 5 list x) she's amazing badass and not afraid and having her hubby dying to a gang so violent I completely believe her despair and willingness to give up life to get them back. It's like John Wick and other characters who other lost there partner

I had forgotten the 10-8 Arthur gave Sean when they rescued him.

if you spend alot of time at camp like i did you would see Sadie changing thru out the days... after every mission you must spend time at camp cause alot happens.. i just seen something for first time yesterday lol

Got nothing to say about the video, but if you haven’t heard the news yet, an audiobook a coming out this summer narrated by Roger Clark, and it examines US history as it ties to the game.

@nogoodhandlesavailable

4 ай бұрын

I just hope it isn't all super lefty

Hopefully if RDR3 is set after RDR then Jack will meet up with her & Charles to catch up on old times and write that book Michael has in his home in GTA 5.

Sadie states to Arthur clearly, that her husband and her split the chores down the middle. She knows how to hunt, and handle a gun when she's introduced. She's not a Mary sue, she's a wilderness gal who can take care of herself.

I just wish there was more of her in the first half so it didn’t seem so sudden that she’s now this badass gunslinger it should have been gradual also have more bonding time instead of it all happening at the end first play through id keep going to talk to her to see if anything happens just surprised such a advertised character in promos is hardly seen until the return from the islands

5:53 me to Arthur, me too 🫡😭

Wait a minute am I the only one that remembered Sadie literally said in the first mission that you go with her when she was about to stab pearson she said to Arthur me and my husband split the work she could hunt she could carry a knife so idk what he talking about

@Pyrex3421

2 ай бұрын

Hunting is different than a gunfight

She does mention she hunted while Jake was alive.

Sadie Alder is one of my favorite characters in RDR2

I really wish we got more on Bill and Javier with those two having been the other main antagonists of Red Dead Redemption 1, but nonetheless I loved the whole story.

i want to be like sadie when i grow up

She remains my favorite despite everything.

To me the RDO scene makes perfect sense with Sadie's character. It shows that she always had a bit of an edge and some latent bloodlust. Losing her husband took away any reason to subdue her demons

@logan3093

4 ай бұрын

Exactly

To be fair the o driscals didnt take her home, Micah did because he hates tables

It does should show her afterwards instead with a different husband maybe Charles or something when the online gets added it just doesn’t make sense with story mode & it’s the same in other areas.

Sadie feels more like an over the top gta charcter i like more the black belle type female character

i almost wonder if jake and sadie made moonshine. i think maybe she was always kinda volatile and that jake helped her control that side of her. without jake, and with his absence, she became less stable. maybe she felt that jake was the only person she could ever truly trust or listen to, and even with her spunky additude she really missed his levelheadedness, and she now has no compass or no purpose or no one to fully trust.

3:19 mmmmmm….floating soup can

Albert

Random thought. What if Sadie and Charles decided to live on the ranch and were there during the events of the first game,would things have changed, would the outcome have been the same? It's an interesting thought to me.

I think she’s a good character, but my main problem is that the story paints her as free of punishment. It just seems weird to me that she can stab somebody in a bar full of people, which might I add is like right next to the sheriffs office, and nothing happens to her. No lawmen. The bartender hardly even reacts. Compare this to when Arthur and Lenny get drunk, as soon as it got out of hand the guys from the sheriffs office were on it. It’s almost like she’s not beholden to the same rules that the gang established. Everyone else is so careful not draw attention, but Sadie is always getting them in situations they could’ve avoided. She doesn’t even get reprimanded aside from a comment or two by Arthur.

@nogoodhandlesavailable

4 ай бұрын

So basically, it is just like it is with women now😂

Should I buy it?

I don't think Sadie was overdramatic at all. Sadie's character makes perfect sense. Just because she knew how to use a gun and was weary of strange people in that online scene doesn't change anything.

@monicamartinez1014

4 ай бұрын

Think Cynic said that they were just robbed makes sense why she’s weary

@cowboykiller0797

4 ай бұрын

I completely agree. It completely makes sense that she would act that way to a good husband. She clearly wants to protect her life and the life of her husband. She said sum like “we were always sweet on one another” 💀 this guy just seems to think woman characters are completely black and white. One sided.

@logan3093

4 ай бұрын

Yeah and she was, while I don't think confirmed was subjected to a whole lot of trauma, likely raped by the odriscolls as they kept her alive, and that's honestly the only reason I can honestly think of as to why she wasn't killed like Jake. That grief and trauma explains her personality in chapters 1 and 2, not only that, but I think she's always been a violent minded person who doesn't trust well. I think chapter 3 and 4 sadie is her most genuine self. Maybe in the epilogue otherwise it's her watching out for the gang or recovering from her ordeal. The argument that's she's out of character in online seems like an unnecessary reach. That's just me. The end.(thanks for reading if you are here)

I don't necessarily think you're wrong, I think the cutscene made her a bit more aggressive than she needed to be. When you first find her, she is trying to stab Micah tho & others mentioned the hunting & stuff too. The way I would kinda think of it is, she was kinda like what Charlotte became, & she would probably kill someone to defend her home or husband, but after he was killed, she went actively lookin for trouble & didn't care about life or death. Idk, just my opinion!

video ends at 9:00 rest is bs

Very nitpicky like most videos, but in this one especially: Sadie isn't just a damsel in distress or a housewife wife lol.

Sadie herself pointed out many times that she wasn't just the house cleaner. They split the work. suddenly this is a surprise for you in the online cutscene

I'm conflicted about Sadie.... part of me really enjoys her but part of me finds her extremely obnoxious.

Thank you for pointing out the vast over estimation of Ms. Adler. She was ok at cowboying, for a girl that is. Just ok.

Honestly I don't get anyone who doesn't like her. Like everyone else in the gang, life and society gave her a bad hand which caused her to go over the deep end and become an outlaw. She's just more honest about it compared to the others

She wasn't house wife she straight up told us "me and my husband used to dive all the work between each other even hunting" besides they live on the mountains both of them were capable people all around to live on sucha environment she didn't lose her husband and become wonder woman she was already a competent fighter from the get go

Not related to the topic but Sadie bad af

I don’t like Sadie actions. Her decision making is piss poor and always blows things out of proportion which creates more problems

Wow... Just wow. Its a best bs take on her i saw on youtube. Bravo.

She's a Mary Sue but her story actually mixes well with the game's story. Rey on the other hand....

@TheSwilkos

4 ай бұрын

What does Rey have to do with any of this? Grow up

Never liked Saidie. The first interaction I saw with her in actual gameplay was when she wastes a bowl of stew pouring it out in front of Kieran, not that I had any feelings toward him either, it was just the fact that if I was to be in the gang and saw that, I wouldn't let that slide. You do NOT waste food. Plus the fact that she sounds like Bobby Hill and is just annoying.

Video was alright until you got to that point about thr online scene. She clearly says she wasnt some housewife making cherry pies

Sadie is absolutely annoying

Sadie is an insufferable mary sue and i hate every moment i have to endure with her after the trip to Rhodes with her.

Sadie was not a "submissive woman" when you found her. she was BROKEN. it was her against about 8 armed men for God knows how many days. and when Micah found her she was keeping Micah at bay. If Sadie was a dude no one would be questioning the badassery

@Pyrex3421

2 ай бұрын

She killed 3 armed men with a knife. That was just bs. Sadie is not different than micah. She is blood thirsty and she looks down on the other gang members

The Mary Sue of Rockstar

@Ghoulstille

4 ай бұрын

She sure does die a lot for being a mary sue if you're not on your game backing her up during the bounty missions.

@officialconch

4 ай бұрын

@@Ghoulstille right. She “dies” even tho she always survives somehow. Def not a Mary Sue, you know, because she “dies” in the game. 😒

@morgan3714

4 ай бұрын

What do you mean when you call her a mary sue

I agree they ruined her character arc with RD online.

You’re a little off with this one

Biggest question about Sadie: Is she actually Yosemite Sam in disguise?

sadie is dramatic like how the men are in RDR2. it all fits the game

Sadie was no better than Micah.

@angelhd2648

2 ай бұрын

😂

She's a horrible character.

@Billy_the-cat

4 ай бұрын

Nah she isn't

@angelhd2648

2 ай бұрын

😂

Clickbait

@Cay_Wolf

4 ай бұрын

How is this clickbait? Didnt even watch the video before commenting, its been out for 7 mins and the video is 11 minutes so your ass didnt even watch it before assuming its clickbait.🤦🏻‍♂️

@spongeman5831

4 ай бұрын

@@Cay_Wolf bro relax it ain’t that deep 💀💀💀💀 I jus put it as a joke💀

@godzillazfriction

4 ай бұрын

​@@Cay_Wolfi can't lie but it's definitely a form of it since Cynic always makes the most one-noted points of rehearsals to what he believes the game offers especially what the majority of the RDR2 community is saying out loud...

@godzillazfriction

4 ай бұрын

​@@Malcolm115he's not 'saying' he's *typing you wise turd...

@morgan3714

4 ай бұрын

@@Cay_Wolf clickbait