Living in Andalucia i am a huge supporter of this. Even if it is in our backyard... after all it was all of our consumption that created the problem in the first place. And there really is no water for farms as it stands right now... so loosing some industrially farmed trees, especially avocados seems like a solution

@lrrrruleroftheplanetomicro6881

10 ай бұрын

Absolutely. You can also grow crops in the shade the solar panel provide, using less water.

@trartalacrem

10 ай бұрын

I agree with what you say but it is better to do little installations everywhere (the second model presented ) then to go for giant installations. We have to get riff of "big scales" and think locally first. little projects everywhere means a better distribution of wealth in all the territory of Andalusia, less impact on the landscape and more harmony. Instead of shaving let's say ten employees in one village that take care of one giant installation in a single place you can have one employee in ten villages and share better the benefits of the green transition. Instead of having one farmer that sells all his land you can help ten farmers to get some funds in order to change their production to a more sensible one.

@ocelotrevs

10 ай бұрын

Agreed, however, if these companies are just exploiting the rules and doing stuff like cutting down trees unnecessarily, then they're just another business taking the piss

@felixmussik7203

10 ай бұрын

@@trartalacrem sure, but I think the horrible solar politics over the last decade or more made that very difficult indeed. A big shame no question about it

@lrrrruleroftheplanetomicro6881

10 ай бұрын

@@ocelotrevs Sure, this is also early wild west, this rarely lasts. But solar panels are pretty much the only industrial installation that I'd accept next to my hypothetical countryside cottage.

There are similar concerns about wind turbines. The older generation says they are an eyesore. They need to come into the 21st century. I think wind turbines and solar farms are very aesthetic.

@panthergaming732

10 ай бұрын

Dude wind turbine is very loud, that's why it needs 300meters away from any house, even at 300meters away it's still comparable to an air conditioner unit noise.

@doa_form

10 ай бұрын

"eye sore" or burning tons of dinosaur juice to dump on the air we all breath. tough choice! I get why old folks have such a hard time.

@HygienistDentist

10 ай бұрын

Same!!!

@markus129

Ай бұрын

Resume: BIG OPORTUNITY to develop a good and clean industry and 4 hippies and 1 Argentinian "farmer" COMPLAINING

Why not agrivoltaic? You could grow crops under the panels and use drip irrigation. Swales, berms, one rocks dams, IBC totes, rain barrels and greywater use. There are many tools in the toolbox.

@aurelspecker6740

10 ай бұрын

In fact, I would even claim that you can do MORE agriculture with an agrivoltaic than without. There is much less direc sun/heat exposure under the PV while the same rain. Since it's water, not sun that is the bottleneck, it should become EASIER to grow stuff there. Even if it is only scrubbs to let sheep grazing.

@hermanvanniekerk1270

10 ай бұрын

And you are totally ignorant of the scale that is needed to feed the world. And crops do not grow in shade.

With the panels making shade on the ground and channeling more water towards the gaps between the panels, I would think grass would grow fairly well there. It could pair perfectly with local livestock grazing. I hope the horse guy and the solar farm can make a deal that is good for both of them as well as other local farmers who could work the grass between the panels

@mrtee3477

10 ай бұрын

stop smoking cracks! That why they fenced off so no one can damage their equipments.

@AreHan1991

10 ай бұрын

No. It’s called «agrovoltaics» and is a growing industry. If the panels are mounted on a little higher stands, sheep can graze underneath, helping to keep vegetation from swallowing tha panels, and giving shade formthe animals. Also some crops grow better with partly shading, and need less water that way

@mrtee3477

10 ай бұрын

@@AreHan1991 I used to deliver inverter to these solar farm. These are not that high and you aint getting close to solar farm. Everything is fenced off so layoff that drugs. Oh yes High voltage!!!!!

@k3n_ng

10 ай бұрын

yup, compensation is the solution.

@jakeryker546

10 ай бұрын

They need to be higher off the ground though...

Just build the solar between the olive trees and sell the electricity white benefiting from the shade it produces need the soil. This keeps the moisture in the land. Also, by now, we all know drought resistant cover crops between tree groves protects the soil. Seeing that farms not practices this shows how little they care for the environment and how they are just skeptical of something new.

@jakeryker546

10 ай бұрын

Trees? No. Too high maintenance. Veggies and herbs? Doable.

We love green energy, just not in my back yard.

@jonsnow1123

10 ай бұрын

I doubt that is your back yard.

@JunoMoon-wv2du

10 ай бұрын

So you'd rather have toxic cancer causing fossil fuels shoved down your throat 💀

@Travlinmo

10 ай бұрын

I am going to guess that switch yard in the background was already there and they built the solar to be near the existing infrastructure?

@gokulkrishna4011

10 ай бұрын

Then rise up

@DannyMancheno

10 ай бұрын

Your backyard is yours, your neighbors property is theirs too.

Spain is moving with the weather. There’s no water so no farm job. No one wants to work in fields anyway in Spain plus there’s shortages of farm workers. This will stop the countryside from dying as it is happening there. The media always seeks minority moaners.

@markus129

Ай бұрын

Resume: BIG OPORTUNITY to develop a good and clean industry and 4 hippies and 1 Argentinian "farmer" COMPLAINING

Why not just raise the solar arrays to 5m and plant olive trees or other suitable plants below it? Dual use so to speak. The solar arrays could also be used to catch water for long term storage.

@duncan.o-vic

10 ай бұрын

Probably too expensive to make profits from it.

@achimwokeschtla7582

10 ай бұрын

@@duncan.o-vic: It’s being done in Bavaria by an Apple tree farmer extremely successful

@duncan.o-vic

10 ай бұрын

@@achimwokeschtla7582 Exactly: by a farmer, not by a conglomerate whose interests are to maximize the profits.

@harrynamkoong3361

10 ай бұрын

It's the lack of water that's killing the olive grove NOT the solar panels.

@achimwokeschtla7582

10 ай бұрын

@@duncan.o-vic : The farmer is maximizing the profit by earning from selling apples and selling electricity and saving water and loosing less apples. Farmers are allowed to maximize their profit but corporations and investors are not? Is that your logic?

2:46 "Spain is being colonized and exploited. That's not fair." Coming from one of the original colonizers, that's rich. Never mind the fact that at least on these transactions - olive farms turning into solar farm - I didn't see any farmers losing their plot of land under duress at gun point.

@duncan.o-vic

10 ай бұрын

You misunderstood, they phrased it on purpose that way. The spanish PEOPLE (like most people anywhere else) are being colonized and exploited. There are people suffering more than the farmers, but talking about it would not trivialize the problems to "ruining their view".

@ygreq

10 ай бұрын

@lore00star

10 ай бұрын

When you can't separate the history of a country from a personal situation

@a.a.1245

10 ай бұрын

You talk as if the guy himself was on the Columbus ship. If people were to pay for the crimes of others in the past who lived in the same country as them, we would all be doomed, including you.

@harrynamkoong3361

10 ай бұрын

@@a.a.1245 He didn't say "he" was being colonized/exploited. He said "Spain" is being colonized. It's not as if we are talking about something that happened 2000 years ago. He might or might not be old enough but his father would surely be old enough to have lived while Spain was still holding onto colonies and exploiting them. On top of that, what's happening here - solar panels being installed in some farms no longer viable due to lack of water - is NOT colonization or exploitation. So he is delusional on that front as well.

I laughed sooooo loud when he said “spain is being colonized and exploited” 😭🤣😭🤣 Whew, thank you for that. The laugh I didn’t even know I needed today.

@RubenFMarin

10 ай бұрын

Right… LOL Greetings from a colony. 🇵🇷

@DemPilafian

10 ай бұрын

@@RubenFMarin Vote for independence. The will of the people will be respected.

@doa_form

10 ай бұрын

oh the irony

@MrJuanmarin99

10 ай бұрын

Even in the times of colonial Spain some parts of Spain were exploited like colonies by others.

@RubenFMarin

10 ай бұрын

@@MrJuanmarin99 Saludos primo.

I would love to see solar everywhere, I don't understand the problem.

@thor.halsli

10 ай бұрын

The duck curve

@jonsnow1123

10 ай бұрын

Some people aren't happy unless they're complaining

@duncan.o-vic

10 ай бұрын

The problem is capitalism and large companies destroying environment in order to profit from solar instead of solving environmental problems.

@matthewbaynham6286

10 ай бұрын

​@@duncan.o-vicbut the solar farms are destoying the environment. They might not look beautiful to some people, but all the nature has no problem with them.

@paulrumohr

10 ай бұрын

This. They are not using existing industrial sites, they are destroying habitats to build these solar arrays. My guess is that the main driving factor for selection is land cost. Yes, the land may have little human economic value, but there are living things and ecosystems there that are being destroyed.

Another idea. Why not use solarheating on the coast to distill water from seawater by evaporation? Maybe so much that you can send it to the more central parts of spain? You could even sell the salt created by this.

@DemPilafian

10 ай бұрын

Desalination and pumping solutions always sound good... until you run the numbers. It's really expensive and rarely makes sense.

@doa_form

10 ай бұрын

because it produces way way much more salt than one can realistically sell and the resulting price per gallon of water would still be more expensive than just using a well. Maybe in 10 years when all of the wells are dry they won't have a choice, but now it's too expensive

Build a f-ing tree line in front of it

@lv3609

10 ай бұрын

There’s no water

@Masterrunescapeer

10 ай бұрын

@@lv3609 there was a forest/farm there, solar doesn't use as much water as that did, should now be more groundwater for it.

@lv3609

10 ай бұрын

@@Masterrunescapeer No, look again the video. It clearly states there is not enough water. Look at the property of the guy complaining in the donkey, there are sparse bush here and there. Also, plenty of evidence that due to Climate Change, significant part of Spain (and Portugal) will face expanding desert. You wrote “solar doesn’t use as much water as it did”. Huh?? You’re for solar or against solar there?

It's close to a desert and it will be in 2-3 decades. If there is not ok then where?! Also masive solar projects will lower average temperature and keep more moisture in the region.

Well it could be worst, some places bulldoze highly productive farmland down, just to put up endless amount of housing estates and strep malls. They often force the farmers to try to do farming in the foothills with drip irrigation on the side of the hill.

So great that more and more countries are adopting solar energy, especially when there is an abundance of land that solar panels could soak up the sun from.

Why do the farmers there not just join together and invest into themselves, maybe with financial help from the government and/or the EU. Why sell your land, when you just need investment to make your own energy to sell it? This is like selling your car you need to go to work to make a living.

Strange that DW couldn't find a single farmer with a Spanish last name.

@markus129

Ай бұрын

Resume: BIG OPORTUNITY to develop a good and clean industry and 4 hippies and 1 Argentinian "farmer" COMPLAINING

best way to stop not in my backyard is to link neighborhood with financial incentives from green energy

Real global solutions require Solar Panels used in local grids where people live and work at a 5mtr level that gives shade and energy and do not need more high voltage lines for huge arrays. Photovoltaics are great for some areas of Spain that use land for sheep grazing!

As much as the man may thinks he loves horses as little of a positive thing it is to actually sit on their backs. That's also a business built on exploit and not helping ecologically either. But overall it would obviously be nicer if the renewable energy was built atop of infrastructure that's already there instead of taking away from the nature.

@markus129

Ай бұрын

Resume: BIG OPORTUNITY to develop a good and clean industry and 4 hippies and 1 Argentinian "farmer" COMPLAINING

2023(G) “Respect and dignity.” Furthermore:

TLDR: NIMBYs exist. I'm sure there are some NIMBYs that would complain about a hospital next to their house while they were dieing from a treatable disease.

Thank you. Very important issue.

Certainly not the consumers who have seen their energy bill rise over 250%.

Solar panels in of themselves are a great idea for deployment in Spain. The problem I do see is big business creating these solar panel desserts. As some have stated above combining agriculture with the solar panels makes a lot more sense for the community, just less quick profit for big business.

Hearing a Spaniard complain about colonization and exploitation was too funny! That’s like one of us Americans complaining over a lack of world peace while we wage war against anyone who makes us mad. Please 😂

@olekatoska1901

10 ай бұрын

​@@SA..................point still stands, Argentinian culture inherited 'Colonialism' from the Spanish Crown and they put it in practice themselves in the "Conquest of The Desert", they aren't innocent either

@olekatoska1901

10 ай бұрын

@@SA.................. yes but in what way it relates to/or is relevant to what we were talking about?

Banks amd governments should be focusing on giving people the right to generate their own power. Co-ops and communities. Sadly, most investments are given to already wealthy specilators who do mismanage land and waste ~30% in losses to the main grid to be sold commercially. This is a policy and cultural failure of legislators, bankers and market leaders.

Human hunger for energy is unstoppable.Human race can not survive anymore without it.

I don’t live in spain, and i get they would rather look at open grasslands than solar arrays, but they don’t own those fields, so what are they yapping about.

Hey, when will you talk about the real company Cannafarm Ltd that brings profit?

The world is changing..and we all need electricity even your writing center. So it's about time to change

Why not to build panel arrays right there on the stage background in mountains? I bet nobody cares about mountain highlands regions and it's even better insolation there

They get clean quiet power and jobs and reduced water use, what is there to not like about that? Shure the land used should be primarily unfit for agriculture and closely observed to make sure it is and stays clean. Perhaps agro voltaics would be a slightly better fit as the taller panel stands are further apart and allow cultivation below with reduced water need from the panels shade. I´m sure even the horses would like the shade in the middle of the day. The exes power Spain can export will be a benefit to their national economy with good jobs and no pollution, it will make them the Qwait of europe without any nasty oil to drill for till it run out. Do this well and you will have income for ever.

Solar Energy vs Natural Landscapes

Good Thoughts of Starting to make Good Leaving..yes Bondhu.

There are always people complaining about the general good because of their petty interests.

3:00 powers 21 households. 😂😂😂. Is that a joke

this guy is argentinian

The irony!

Alright everyone, stop building the solar park, Angel doesn't like it

Great, just what we need in Spain, sad little NIMBYs standing in the the way of the green transition: let him move, if he doesn't like it

Solar energy is free. Rooftop solar is great. Olive groves should not be cut down. Please have the imagination to do agrivoltaics plants under the shade of the solar panels. This is being done in China in the desert.

The nature profits

Chyna

Resume: BIG OPORTUNITY to develop a good and clean industry and 4 hippies and 1 Argentinian farm COMPLAINING

Nada mejor que pequeñas instalaciones para una producción y un consumo local. Debemos salir de esta lógica de "la gran escala" que nos ha llevado al desastre, tanto en el sector agrícola que en el sector industrial. Sentido común, uso inteligente y proporcionado de los recursos, autonomía a escala local y armonía. El sol esta por todos lados, no hace falta concentrar todos los paneles en un solo sitio. El problema de la España vacía se arreglara mejor con pequeñas unidades de producción por todo el territorio, trayendo empleos y dinero en todas partes en lugar de centrarlos en unos pocos puntos en el mapa. Un saludo amistoso de un extranjero a mis amigos andaluces, una de las regiones mas hermosa de Europa y que se merece un futuro.

@doa_form

10 ай бұрын

"la gran escala" es lo que permite que los precios sean bajos. se le conoce como "economías de escala" No hay dinero para hacer todo "a pequeña escala". Simplemente no alcanza. Sol no hay en el norte de Europa, el negocio está en exportar energía.

@trartalacrem

10 ай бұрын

@@doa_form Olvidas el concepto de concentración capitalista y de monopolio o oligopolo monopolstico (carteles), gran contradicción interna insoldable del capitalismo. En un mercado dado la empresa mas importante acaba dominando el mercado de tal forma que al final impone los precios que quiere y impide a nuevas empresas entrar en el mercado para hacer concuencia rompiendo por completo los mecanismos del "mercado" que de facto no existe... La mano invisible de Adam Smith que equilibra todo es un chiste para ninyos . Si tomas la empresa mas rica del mundo, apple, sus productos son intrínsecamente con los mismos componentes mas caros que un teléfono estandard de otra marca con los mismos componentes. Les economías de escala sirven para maximizar los beneficios, para nada sirven a reducir los precios.... Y no hay sol en Europa del norte? Ahora mismo hace sol en Europa del Norte mientras aquí es de noche... Y a quien quieres exportar electricidad.. A Noruega? Son ellos exportan al resto del mundo hidrocarburos: Ademas antes de querer exportar energías habría que ser autentifico, Espanya como gran parte de los pases europeos no lo es. Hay que abrir los ojos y reiniciar tu disco duro, las cosas son muchísimas mas complejas que lo que piensas y las soluciones no están en seguir creyendo que el mercado o el capitalismo va a resolver tus problemas...

Can’t make everyone happy

BANANA - Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anything

@doa_form

10 ай бұрын

someone do something! but not that! or that! or anything at all!

Ehen eill they achieve ent per cent roof top solar?

U cant please everybody

Every article.....😎😎😎

China is key supplier of solar systems, parts to many countries. In nut shell, if any country from such go solar, China become richer. Btw is Spain also in same bunch ??

IMO, if you *dont* want solar fields somewhere, own the fields first. Don’t just yap about it ruining your view.

Let's name the problem when DW isn't allowed to: CAPITALISM.

@AaronOkeanos

10 ай бұрын

Disaster Capitalism actually. A quite nasty kind sometimes not even legal especially if you exaserbated the disaster or created it.

@duncan.o-vic

10 ай бұрын

@@Hiko901 For people capable of critical thinking, most societal problems that media is talking about, are due to capitalism, and I can explain in detail why. Have you ever thought of a possibility that maybe you are the one with closed mind?

@gfys756

10 ай бұрын

​@@duncan.o-vicCommunism is the future.

Solar energy is best alternative source of energy but solar energy should not be industrialised. I have solar panel over my roof but i don't like to destroy crop field for industrial level energy production.

@duncan.o-vic

10 ай бұрын

Actually, nuclear is the best alternative source. At least for now, and if you would define "the best" as most effective regarding effort, costs and environmental impact.

@harrynamkoong3361

10 ай бұрын

The crop field is being "destroyed" b/c there is no water not b/c there are solar panels whether that's industrial scale or not. You can even farm under solar panels provided there is water, not in the density without solar panels b/c obviously some of the solar energy is going to the panel not the plants.

@realinfoentertainment1741

10 ай бұрын

@@duncan.o-vic We know about some of nuclear disaster. I support solar energy for household use. I want everyone should produce their own energy. Solar system setup cost should be minimum. Long-term loan and subsidy should be implemented for solar energy. Buttery cost should be minimum with long time service guarantee.

@duncan.o-vic

10 ай бұрын

@@realinfoentertainment1741 Nuclear disasters that you know of are miniscule in terms of damage compared to other industries, and are easily avoidable. Subsidies for solar are the only reason you see solar developing.

@duncan.o-vic

10 ай бұрын

@@naszadynastia That is nothing compared to the cost of climate change and polution that we're paying for not using nuclear power. You should educate yourself better.

How much land do I need to never interact with that guy

There's plenty of desert and sunshine to install solar in the continent to the South and I bet they can use jobs and money that comes with it.

Nobody and they are uninsurable.

Honestly I'm always hearing about how "green" solar panels are But I have to ask just how "green" they really are because we always hear about the pros of solar panels but we NEVER hear about the cons. How much of the environment is destroyed mining the materials? How much of that mining is done via child labor in 3rd world countries? How much carbon is emitted into the air manufacturing them in factories then transporting them? how much land that could go to low income housing does it take up?

@Whatneeds2bsaid

10 ай бұрын

What alternative are you proposing here? Solar, despite the mining/manufacturing/etc., is miles ahead of fossil fuels.

@torablack

10 ай бұрын

@@Whatneeds2bsaid Well Nuclear is a clean source of energy that produces zero C02

@definitlynotbenlente7671

10 ай бұрын

​@@Whatneeds2bsaidnah burning gigatons of coal is better right once it is burned it disapears right😂

"Spain is getting colonised" interesting choose of word. feels nice to be colonised not?

We (Humanity) really do need oversight in this. If the bad behavior corporations that run fossil fuels and polluting mine operations are the same corporations racing to grab the $$ from solar installations, we are going to have yet more ruin in front of us. Ruin upon ruin is not a future.

Are cryptocurrency and business incompatible? I think youre not keeping up with the news. While you thought it was impossible, some enthusiasts from Cannafarm Ltd integrated cryptocurrency into the production of medical cannabis. What do you say now?

Wait, do you think cryptocurrency will crash? I dont think so. More and more companies are integrating cryptocurrency into their operations: Amazon, Cannafarm Ltd, Burger King, even Starbucks, dude!

I'm sorry dude sacrifices need to be made you can build somewhere else l.

Nimbys will always be nimbys.

I’ve come to a realization that I will never be financially free , every investment I ever make will fall , any stuff I decide to invest in will be a rug pull , I will be poor until the day I die

nimbyes at it again ...

And in 25 years you have a country filled by useless panels that nobody know what to do with. As they find out in France some 15 year old windmills no longer produce enough and the expense to remove it becomes the cost of the local people.

@valevisa8429

10 ай бұрын

That's true,nothing produces energy without second harmful effects.Not even coal ;)

@Masterrunescapeer

10 ай бұрын

Misleading, assuming you're talking about the 15yo offshore wind farms, France is re-negotiating the contracts there to reduce cost. Solar panels can be recycled, and there is legislation around that to make it economically viable.

@sergeykish

10 ай бұрын

Or in 100 years temperature would rise by 5 Celsius and land would become inhospitable

@hermanvanniekerk1270

10 ай бұрын

@@sergeykish and in 20 years you have more trash than you can handle

@sergeykish

10 ай бұрын

@@hermanvanniekerk1270 even without recycling dumps would take much less space than would be lost to oceans and seas. Forth of my country would be lost to sea, most productive farmland would be lost, that would cause hunger. You have no idea what cost of the local people is.

centralisation is not the answer. it needs to be individual - collective. all houses should have solar panels and batteries tied to the grid. self sufficience and sharing. arcologies are the future. good show team.

@doa_form

10 ай бұрын

ah right! because every individual can afford to just put solar panels and batteries on their own homes! nice that everyone is just swimming in money to invest collectively like that

@cyberfrank-bx2nv

10 ай бұрын

@@doa_form I meant that governments should subsitise this, like the electric cars incentives, sorry I did nt mention it. thanks bro.

The irony of a Spaniard talking about being conolized

@gfys756

10 ай бұрын

Europe deserves to be colonized.

It's bizarre how european countries, compared to Brazil, where I live, have run out of available surface area for even expanding their business without threatening the people.

@MrCleitus

10 ай бұрын

How is it bizzare ? You think Europe has endless space, even brasil is burning down rainforest foe space.

NIMBY warriors weating The North Face. Farcical virtue signalers.

What's most important is that the wealthy be able to increase their wealth exponentially at all costs.

Que se mencionen como colonizados es lo mas irracional que he visto hoy.

Spain is being colonized and exploited.. haha where have I heard that story before… 😅 how does it feel?

There is o leadership?

2:48 Really?! 🤔🧐 Like if you didn't colonize other parts of the planet. Yep, definetly never happened! 🫣🙄

Hey, when will you talk about the real company Cannafarm Ltd that brings profit?