**Suspension is now fixed and LOCKABLE** The batteries do seem to be different though and now you get a rear rack A few things I didn't mention in the review: The battery is removable so you can charge it away from the bike. The brakes although cable disk brakes are decent. If I think of anything else I'll write it here. Feel free to ask below.

@johnw65

Жыл бұрын

Great review! However, The website is confusing. It says "C20 Pro - 850W PEAK POWER | 48V 10AH BATTERY" $799.99 Out of Stock But Specs; "Motor: 36V 250W, Battery: 36V 19.2AH"... Nov 2022, My T42 was 1100W, 48V 11.2AH for $899... Possibly a better deal

@e-VRC

Жыл бұрын

@@johnw65 They are a bit funny with their specs. I think go with the headline figure. There's a 500w version (that may well peak at 850). Then there's the 250w version with the higher amp-hour battery. Ignore any conflicting info in the description. I think sometimes it's a language issue and they don't know what they've copy and pasted.

@johnw65

Жыл бұрын

@@e-VRC I just got back from the Engwe site looking at everything. And, frankly, my T42 at 64 pounds and 80nm torque for $849 (after the Jeremiah McIntosh discount) is awesome after adding $120 of C9 seat and seatpost suspension. I was doing 30-40 degree climbs on rocky trails at Devils Den AR last weekend!

@_BUGSY89

Жыл бұрын

​@@johnw65 so what about shipping uk how do i secure thw payment???

@alkentv

Жыл бұрын

How do I disable the throttle of this bike? I live in Italy and bikes with throttle isn't legal here.

I own two of the C20 Pros with the 850W PEAK POWER | 48V 10AH BATTERY. The Front Forks on these bikes are noisy when the compress (they rattle). You can hear it at 12:26 in this video. Simply put, the front forks are noisy and are not all that good in terms of absorbing bumps. And they have welded U-Bracket on them that is used to mount the lights and fender, which makes replacing the forks a bit more challenging. So the forks are what makes the rattling noise, not the battery bouncing in the housing. Forks aside, the 850W PEAK POWER | 48V 10AH BATTERY model is a nice bike. I get about 30 Miles using Level 3 or 4 with pedaling 70% of the time. Throttle Only about 18 miles. I live in Miami, so typically flat, with a few bridges between me and the Beach. Overall, the bike looks cool, rides nice, tires make same knobby tire noise you hear in this video. I added a compression seat and rear brake/turn lights. And oversized lock as standard u-lock wont reach around body of the bike.

@beegees21

Жыл бұрын

What can rattle inside a front fork?

I took a good look at the Engwe ebikes, but I'll probably end up with a PVY Z20 Max. I have yet to find a better ebike for under £1,000. I just hope they have them in stock when I go to purchase one in 2 weeks time

great reviews keep them coming recently bought eskuta sx250 which you reviewed in another video I love your videos down to earth and informative I'm genuinely surprised when i see how few subs you have for such great content keep up the good work and you will be hitting 100k subs before you know it ebikes are growing in popularity and good reviews are hard to come by

@e-VRC

Жыл бұрын

Ah thanks very much I appreciate that. We've had decent subscriber growth recently since I've switched format. I used to just ride and talk. I'm so impressed with the sx-250. Enjoy ebike life 🤟

Fat guy here, knows sack all about bikes. If I wanted to use this to cycle as far away as I can, before I'm done on and can't go any further. Can I then use this to throttle me all the way home like it's an electric motorbike (at like 15moh or whatever!??? If yes, sold! Couldn't care less about the legalities of using throttle without pedalling though so don't worry man hahaha. Appreciated bro 🐻🙏

@e-VRC

Жыл бұрын

Haha. In theory yes. It depends how far you can get. If you ride away say 30 miles you could throttle all the way back. It's a bit harder to pedal these than a normal bike though. Not loads harder but it's noticable.

Also one more thing (Thank me later for these free of charge comments lol) … where are you finding that 19ah battery version??? On the Engwe website, they only offer a ‘16ah’ battery which apparently is “like a 19ah because it has more cells”

Went to look at one after watching this, (which was great 👊) and the battery is now a 15.6ah as standard with the 19.2ah an extra £459 😡 As I'm not in any time restraint, that, right there, could be the deal killer for me 😒🖖Oh yeah, and it's now (29/05/23) £949 🤬🤬

@e-VRC

Жыл бұрын

I saw the prices rose. That sucks 😭

I thought ENGWE was confused? But, it's me! LOL - The $799 'C20 Pro' was 250W/500W PEAK motor, 36V 19.2AH battery. While the C20 Pro Upgrade was 500W/850W PEAK motor, 48V 10AH battery. Both "UNAVAILABLE" ..... Smallest folder now is the EP-2 Pro 500W/960W PEAK motor, 48V 13AH battery for $1099... Makes the XP 3.0 look pretty good at $999... Peak must be on a fully charged battery with max throttle, unlocked...? Higher voltage=more speed. Higher amps=more pwr/range.

@519achilles

Жыл бұрын

From my research when they say peak they mean that you can unlock from the screen, because when you buy the EU version they limit it at 250W

@johnw65

Жыл бұрын

@@519achilles In the US, it varies by state/city... Class 2 is 20mph and class 3 is 28mph. I unlocked my G-Force 1st day! I've seen '1000W peaks' vary as well. The 750/1000W peak has 75nm while the 500/1000W peak has 55nm. And you know it when climbing steep hills!

⚡🤙🏼 *Mmm, more C20 Pro* 🤩⚡ ooo they updated the kickstand! 🔥 I really like it goes a touch over the uk limit 😂 You need that little bit more on occasion!

@e-VRC

Жыл бұрын

Agreed! You've done a lot of research on this bike right? Have you heard the suspension click in any other videos?

@eBoard3R

Жыл бұрын

@@e-VRC I've watched a Lot of reviews of it and not heard of that issue before. Hope it's a one off/uncommon

@eBoard3R

Жыл бұрын

I think maybe I heard somethin about the battery rattlin a little from 1 or 2 reviews

@e-VRC

Жыл бұрын

@@eBoard3R it seems to happen when the suspension decompresses. I had footage of the battery and unfolding the bike but i think I accidentally deleted it. Battery seemed snug though. I'll take out the battery and see if it goes away.

Just wondering if you have tryed the fido m1, I'm thinking of buying that or the engwe c20pro (500w) it would be great if you could give an opinion. Thanks, 👍

Hi there, great video. Just a quick question, does the ebike battery run out quicker if you just use throttle?

@e-VRC

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! Yeah definitely. You can get the same power on pedal assist but you're more likely to be helping the bike. If it's all ghost pedalling though (not actually helping the bike) it should be about the same.

Any chance of unlocking the c20 pro and doing a top speed run.

I am not sure if I missed it, but hard is it to pedal without assistance

@e-VRC

Жыл бұрын

Harder than a normal bike but definitely doable. I do it at the end of the range test video when the batteries run out.

Thanks for making this great video. I’m gonna get the EU/U.K. version as well and I was wondering if the throttle can be enabled/disabled easily? I’d like to stay within the legal limit (250w, 25km/h and no throttle) most of the time but ocasional extra power would be good if it doesn’t involve any cable plugging/unplugging or changing.

@e-VRC

Жыл бұрын

The speed limit would be done from the computer but the throttle disable i think may require the throttle to be unplugged. I don't think there's a setting for disabling throttle.

@alistondsouza

Жыл бұрын

@michalhrbacekuk even i want to buy the bike in the Netherlands. Did you figure out about disabling the throttle?

@aaronstorey5593

9 ай бұрын

Throttle can be enabled/ disabled. Before powering bike on hold font brake/ back brake in. Turn throttle fully on then power on the bike all at same time. Takes seconds. Can only be done stationary.

Hello, I'm looking for a electric bike for my delivery job in the Netherlands. If you could suggest me an overall better range and reasonably priced bike, Thanks

that camera got a new hairstyle after falling inside the rabbit hole, hahahahaa

@e-VRC

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

Isn't the stand adjustable? Just unscrew and lengthen it a little

Also I wonder, would upgrading the built in controller, make it faster?! I’d also love to slap some bmx handle bars on these like they are doing on the engine pro lol. I’m in conflict between this and the Engwe X26 … - which doesn’t really have a lot of KZread content.

@e-VRC

Жыл бұрын

I think this would suit the 'cyber bmx' style more than the engine pro. My plan is to put the handlebars on my ado a20f as i think that's the most bmx looking of the fat tyre ebikes but it would definitely look amazing on the c20.

that rattle sound I think is the battery inside the frame which is moving as I saw in other reviews.

@e-VRC

Жыл бұрын

I took the battery out it still does it. It's definitely a clunk made when the suspension returns to default after compression.

Hi e-VRC where did you buy you helmet? the Blue one?

@e-VRC

Жыл бұрын

It's called a Steelbird Air. I could only find them on ebay.

on the European site, I read that it has 25nm of torque...which is really low! practically half as much as most other bikes. do you feel this thing a lot comparing it to other models?

@letstravel5278

Жыл бұрын

Now it says 35nm.

Can you get hold of a g force fat tyre fold away? Love to see a uk review of one

@e-VRC

Жыл бұрын

No but I've been in contact with them about their cafe racer style bike. Sadly they're not shipping to the UK at the moment.

@johnw65

Жыл бұрын

I have the G-ForceT42 folder and for the UK, you'd have to remove the throttle and reset the controls to UK limits. in the US, mine does 34 MPH. throttle only and 22 MPH in PAS 5.

@lassydogpie5390

Жыл бұрын

@@johnw65 no thanks I’ll take my chances.. stupid rules lol

@johnw65

Жыл бұрын

@@lassydogpie5390 Here, throttle only is limited to 20 MPH. So, I air-pedal a lot when flying along at 30MPH...LOL

@e-VRC

Жыл бұрын

@@johnw65 true if they sold it in stores. But if they simply shipped to the uk from their site people would buy it regardless.

What do think between the bodywel or the engwe c20 pro. Power wise?

@e-VRC

Жыл бұрын

Very similar. The bodywel got a little further up sandy lane. But i think the c20 goes a couple of mph faster

how do I fix error p1 on c20

Is this bike legal to ride in the Netherlands?

Hello, I share my opinion of the bike: the brakes are useless... the bad battery, it's a lie that it reaches 150 km, hopefully it reaches 65 km... you can't get anything wet, bad suspension . I forgot and I weigh 60 kilos, imagine someone heavier, the bike arrived damaged by transport, the change was doubled, I had to pay almost €30... they didn't refund me anything, very bad.

Is it genuinely UK road legal?…A lot of bikes claim to be, just because of a 250w motor, but then you find they have an illegal 48v battery. Some reviewers are also under the impression that ‘almost legal’ is good enough….until they meet a zealous copper, get their bike impounded, face a 5k fine and six points. It ain’t worth the risk….

info if anyone wonders the links dont work because A they dont sell this version anymore B the new version has new upgraded suspension and the battery seems to have better cells and a rear rack dont know why they dont sell a 19.2ah version its bit weird as well as they keep this video on their website where they sell it when its not even the bike for sale all the reviews on the upgraded version atm of this comment are all in french This its still a good video just a slight outdated because they dont sell this version of the bike and the complain on the suspension not valid anymore since its a new one seems to be similar to the ep 2 pro susepension

@e-VRC

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info 👍

@resarxamtheswedishguy7802

Жыл бұрын

@@e-VRC will you make a new video of the upgraded version so we can have one in English :D? 1 of the french reviewers says it has 50% more battery from his title witch i taking with a pinch of salt but if it has much better cells maybe it has .

have you tried the eglide m1plus? good value ebike

@lassydogpie5390

Жыл бұрын

Decent bike, not brill on hills tho

@e-VRC

Жыл бұрын

Not tried that one

Got mine today and don’t like it. Done 3 miles and lost a bar. I sold my ep 2 pro ( which done 10 miles for 1 bar and a lot faster) because the battery on this would last longer. So disappointed ☹️

@byshiri1751

10 ай бұрын

Do you still have the bike? If so, how is it now You've had it for 2 months?

Nice looking bike. Does the 500w version mean it's twice as powerful? My only option is the 500w version :-)

@e-VRC

Жыл бұрын

It's probably 5mph faster but I've not tried it.

@HitchHikersBlues

Жыл бұрын

@@e-VRC I meant Torque wise. I'm trying to decide between this and the Engine Pro. Where I'm living has a lot of short but steep hills. I didn't mind cycling up them years ago,I was very fit and light, but now Its nice to have that option of letting the bike do some of the work :-)

@e-VRC

Жыл бұрын

@@HitchHikersBlues if you're considering the engine pro I'd definitely get it over the c20. Much better up hills. The 500w c20 won't be twice as strong up a hill than the 250w. Check out my hill climb video for a little comparison of 250 - 1000w ebikes doing hills.

@HitchHikersBlues

Жыл бұрын

@@e-VRC Yeah, I seem to keep coming back to the Engine Pro. Great bike bike the looks of it. All the reviews seem to praise it. It's just those handlebars. But it seems to be easy enough to change them.

@e-VRC

Жыл бұрын

@@HitchHikersBlues mind you their new one is cheaper than the engine pro and is as good on hills (just didna first ride video. Very imoressed).

What about shipping to UK and how do i be 1000% about a trustesitw sending money

@e-VRC

Жыл бұрын

They have a uk site. They're a legit company.

man you shared 250W model 1000x times. we want to see 500W version compare to 250W

@e-VRC

Жыл бұрын

Well twice 😅 I can't get the 500w version in the UK.

I ordered the bike, folded it.. but it wont fold back fully. Did you had the problem 2 and what could it be im doing wrong? Thank you very much, Lenny

@e-VRC

Жыл бұрын

Make sure the battery is in fully. It has a it of a lip where the plastic of the battery could get stuck.

@mawklivos6350

Жыл бұрын

@@e-VRC thank you, I will look into that now

@e-VRC

Жыл бұрын

@Mawkli Vos best of luck. I've felt it's a bit awkward sometimes too.

@mawklivos6350

Жыл бұрын

@@e-VRC yeah, it doesnt work really. I dont seem 2 get it toghetter. There a very little space in between wich made it impossible to put the lock on. When i try it opens again further. Havent used it even so hope i can send it back 🙏💪

@e-VRC

Жыл бұрын

@Mawkli Vos doesn't work with no battery in either? They come unfolded don't they?

Is this bike 100% legitimate for uk roads?? I don't want 2 know if police is nice, nut can they take 250watt ebike and give you points I honestly don't think it's worth possibly losing my licence? Can you tell please

@e-VRC

Жыл бұрын

No because it has a throttle and can travel over 15.5 mph. However you.can just disable the throttle and limit the speed to 15.5 and then it is legal.

I’m getting police ebike anexiety because commenters be mentioning 6 points on your licence.. I’d loose my job and my car licence in that scenario. Maybe this is the way.

@bloosepticpsycho7322

Жыл бұрын

@nb_WildBlueYonder yea man I’m gonna buy he Engine X too. I think there’s a very LOW chance of getting 6 points on engine x, tbh it might also be law fanatics fear mongering on KZread comments trying to deter people buying 750w ebikes, idk. My brother got stopped by police on his 1000w super 73 by police here in NI, they just wanted to check out his bike and have a conversation with him because they thought it was a motorcycle but they didn’t have a clue about ebikes lol.

@bloosepticpsycho7322

Жыл бұрын

@nb_WildBlueYonder My next research will be - in the event of a police stop, what’s the fastest way to switch from unlocked Engine X to Locked 15mph. Even with it unlocked, they are hardly gonna spin your wheels or do a voltage test - unless you’ve just rammed through pedestrians and killed people lol Next point- how can I disguise the throttle? / or switch it off momentarily during a police stop. Even still - the engine X has 250w certification. I shouldn’t even be too worried. My brother doesn’t even know the law, he laughs going past the police station at 30+mph on his Super73 not having a worry in the world 😂

Which one is has the best value engine pro or these I'm in Europe

@e-VRC

Жыл бұрын

Both amazing value. The extra stuff you get with the engine pro is worth the extra money. I'd choose the engine pro basically because it's more expensive and that's reflected in the extra speed and features. However the c20 still has better range so if range is more important then go c20.

@saidseriwel3349

Жыл бұрын

@@e-VRC yes that what i mean the extra money is worth in engine pro so anyway i didn't get any money now I'm asking and looking for the best one to get my target

@dillykami

11 ай бұрын

@@e-VRC from engwe: 'We are afraid Engine Pro is not qualified to ride the bike in the EU as the maximum speed is over 25km/h and also there is a rotary accelerator as well as the motor is 750W. You may also check in local. It is recommended to purchase the Engine X, whose maximum speed is 25km/h, and the throttle is disabled.' from your personal experience is this an actual issue or just professionalism?

@e-VRC

11 ай бұрын

@dillykami professionalism but there is always a risk. I've reccomended to them that going forward they try to classify their bikes as 250w with the ability to unlock like the engine x and L20

@dillykami

11 ай бұрын

@@e-VRC i see, i wouldnt risk it personally, im looking between the c20 pro and engine x rn, and the main thing is the added weight on the engine x, ill need to be bringing the bike on public transport alot in the upcoming days so im not sure if the added weight will be too much or not that big of a difference, what do you recommend?

This sound is not the suspension, its battery rattling

@e-VRC

Жыл бұрын

It makes the same noise with no battery. It is the suspension.

Apparently bad quality