To give an idea of just how insane Thousand Arrows is, Zygarde went from a one-note nonpresence in OU to an overwhelming threat with a seemingly endless number of sets it could run. Literally the ONLY move it 100% needed was Thousand Arrows; the rest of its slots were customizable. Honestly I'd personally say Thousand Arrows is probably just the #1 most broken signature move ever made, even with moves like Rage Fist and Population Bomb, just because of the insane consistency and immediacy it possesses while still having a crazy effect on top of it.

@christiancinnabars1402

3 ай бұрын

Thousand Arrows singlehandedly pushed Zygarde from UUBL in Gen 6, and even UU or RU in the XY era iirc, to straight up banned in Gen 7 despite that gen's power creep. It already had things like E-Speed, Coil, DDance, Glare, etc beforehand. But Thousand Arrows let it go from being walled by every Flying type and Levitate mon ever to "give me your Skarmory."

@daniellejackson6543

7 күн бұрын

I'd argue that last respects is more broken. Yeah its status as a signature move is debatable as 3 mons know it but it was one pokemon's move at the very start. It straight up got banned from ubers which is crazy. It was honestly really only broken on basculegion though.

I couldn’t have been the only one to notice the dragon water type Dracovish had a signature move fishious REND while the dragon water Palkia has spacial REND. Then the dragon electric type Dracozolt had a signature move BOLT beak and Zekrom has BOLT Strike. I’m definitely over analyzing but something unique

@ceeso7978

3 ай бұрын

All three dragon fire types that exist in gen 9 have signature moves as well. Reshiram has blue flare, turtonator has shell trap and gouging fire has burning bulwark

@ceeso7978

3 ай бұрын

And technically fusion bolt and flare count where as blast burn wouldn't but I agree something is up 😂

Remember when only delibird got present? Delibird remembers

No Retreat can actually be used multiple times. If you use a move like Jaw Lock beforehand, you can then use No Retreat multiple times. Thankfully only Smeargle has both moves.

@TheRedSewaddle251

2 ай бұрын

Baton pass

@theshadowking3198

2 ай бұрын

@@TheRedSewaddle251? That wouldn’t work with no retreat

@andormak8402

2 ай бұрын

​@@theshadowking3198why not? Things like U-turn work

@sshadowzlmao

Ай бұрын

​@@theshadowking3198It passes buffs but you are still trapped

@sshadowzlmao

Ай бұрын

​​@@andormak8402it works. only problem is the new pokemon is trapped

I find it crazy that nobody thought of Sketch. It's so good that it's one of the clause of the video, its so good it gave a use to 250BST stat pokemon. It's so good that it can nerf other pokemon that dont have it because the possibility of smeargle using their move. Sketch is the best move in the game by virtue of being able to copy almost any move.

@zyouri121

3 ай бұрын

Sketch is def the best Normal type move

@Hoysoy4141

3 ай бұрын

Sketchis good..... if it already sketched a move If you haven't, then you completely rely on the enemies move to do something

@Rusty_Spy

3 ай бұрын

@@Hoysoy4141"ERM AKSHUALLY! ☝️🤓" No

@SomeoneLon

3 ай бұрын

@zyouri121 sketch is not a move that you use in combat, it allow you to have the use you want on your mon. And you can also sketch your ally in double to not have to depend on the randomness of the enemy and to not waste time

@zyouri121

3 ай бұрын

@@SomeoneLon i know, that's why it's the best move. But Mattbud never specified "Best move for combat".

Best rock signature move is Mighty Cleave which is 95 power 100 accuracy physical attack which breaks and bypass protect

@FroyoMNS

3 ай бұрын

Depends on the format, Salt Cure is better in Singles while Mighty Cleave is better in Doubles

@lipika2841

3 ай бұрын

I was thinking maybe Ogrebonk's Ivy Cudgel would be the best Rock move as any of the Mask it holds gives it ×1.2 damage boost to all moves.

@Nmoment-uv6jc

3 ай бұрын

​​@@lipika2841 mighty cleave is better in doubles as it is one of the most safe and reliable attacks in the game, bypassing protect and only being 5 points weaker than ivy cudgel, and if iron boulder is holding a booster energy it can recive a 1.3 attack boost with no drawback

@agamerjoinedyt

Ай бұрын

@@Nmoment-uv6jcit loses booster energy when switched out tho whilst mask is permanent

@agamerjoinedyt

Ай бұрын

@@Nmoment-uv6jcintimidate would also render ur boost useless

I'm going to go against the letter of your rules while still adhering to the spirit. The best normal-type signature move is Sketch. That one move is what makes Smeargle so versatile.

@S0ftiB0iled

3 ай бұрын

THATS ITS GIMIC IT DOESNT COUNT AS A MOVE!!!!! QUIT YAPPING!!!!!!@@

@tristanbowles7258

3 ай бұрын

Virgin Judgement that can be any type Vs Chad Sketch that can be any move. I actually think I agree with you here.

@timbo303official9

Ай бұрын

​@@tristanbowles7258I doubt you can sketch disable though.

@Dranzer_Panzer

8 күн бұрын

​@@timbo303official9maybe in a double battle if your opponent targetted your partner.

loved watching this entire video

Bug: you don’t have to be good, just the best

This video was great! Keep it up man

Awesome! I was waiting for this one. 100% curious what the best moves in pokemon are.

I can't unsee the MandJtv font 😭

I was going to correct you and express immense confusion when you didn’t pick Techno Blast for Bug, but then I looked it up. It’s really a Normal type move without any drives?!?!?! Maaaaaaan Genesect just cannot have his day.

Last respects is definitely better than rage fist imo

@roakey5800

3 ай бұрын

Basculegion and Houndstone learn it, so it's not a signature

@Fletchender

3 ай бұрын

In that case only chatter of chatot is a signature move bc all other signature moves get learned by smeargle

@Fletchender

3 ай бұрын

Or v create gets learned by rayquaza and sacred fire gets learned by entei so… last respect counts

@sinnohperson8813

3 ай бұрын

There is a lot of ways to set up rage fist yourself whereas last respects banks on your teammates dying which is two at max

@MattBudYT

3 ай бұрын

@@Fletchender Last Respects was never a signature move so I couldn’t add it. It would be there for sure. The other moves were at least signature moves at one point which let me add them even if another mon got it later.

In gen 7, Xerneas can use Fairium Z with Geomancy. Sure it can't execute it in 1 turn like with Power Herb, but it gives +1 to speed and offensive/defensive stats on the 1st turn, which helps it survive easier.

That shiny Psyduck dying hurt my soul

Did bro just forget about Bloodmoon on an already strong pokemon who's ability is basically buffed Scrappy, making no opponent immune to it? Sure, you can't use it twice in a row, but that's what Protect and Calm Mind are for.

@TrixterTheFemboy

3 ай бұрын

Blood Moon is only 140 base power, compared to the effective 300 of Population Bomb. I could be wrong about this, but with Maushold's move being slightly more than double the power of Blursaluna's, with it having slightly more than half its relevant attacking stat(75 atk to 135 spatk), it still outdamages it. Not to mention it being multi-hit to bypass substitute and sash/sturdy, and being usable multiple times in a row.

@ashiscool_

3 ай бұрын

its not always 10 hits it probably averages around 5-6 every time you use it so its essentially 150 bp unless you are lucky.@@TrixterTheFemboy

@jameswhite2308

3 ай бұрын

Use of a wide lens gives it 99% accuracy, which gives you a 90.4% chance to hit all 10

@Anonymous-qm2zt

3 ай бұрын

​@@ashiscool_with wide lens it rarely doesn't hit all 10 times

@MattBudYT

3 ай бұрын

I kinda did forget. But I still think I would have taken Population Bomb above it. A close 2nd.

Great video! Subbed! Also I want to say that Salt Cure is by far the best move ever made. Salt Cure is the only move so good that you often lose value by clicking stealth rocks on turn 1 instead. SC ---> Protect -----> SC'ing the switch-in has been my bread and butter all Gen

You honestly might have the most interesting Pokémon content on youtube. Wow 🔥 Keep it up 💪🏾

@MattBudYT

22 сағат бұрын

Appreciate it, glad to have you as a viewer❤️

Woah, nice segue!

I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS YOU ARE AMAZING PLEASE KEEP MAKING VIDEOS I AM BEGGING

Bro you should have way more viewers, your quality is insane!

A small correction Maushold is doubles usually prefers friend guard over technician

@lwfawn

3 ай бұрын

…in doubles. Singles is a thing too.

@sinnohperson8813

3 ай бұрын

@@lwfawn yeah , didn't I mention "in doubles" , coz he mentioned "in doubles , technician strats"

@MattBudYT

3 ай бұрын

Yeah I mentioned when it wasn’t being a support mon it liked Population Bomb. I know it has shifted to more of a support mon as of late.

With how strong Steel and Water types are defensively I'm perfectly fine with Salt Cure wrecking them.

While smeargle shouldnt be generally mentioned, it actually makes very good use of Population Bomb, which finally gives it a move it can deal damage with, since its also a normal type with technician

Ivy cudgel not being even an honorable mention for grass is crazy

MattBud's videos are exceedingly thoughtful and well researched. Hopefully this guy has 50k subscribers one year from now.

@MattBudYT

3 ай бұрын

I appreciate it. Although this kind of looks like a comment someone would post from an alt😂

@carter2449

3 ай бұрын

It does sound like that lol my bad

I feel like Dragon Energy should’ve also been in consideration for Dragon type moves. It’s a shame that such a powerful move is stuck on Regidrago.

Annihilape, the perfect rage machine. It's fist will shatter every meta-game it lands in.

I'm surprised Teleport didn't get a mention at all. It began as signature move of the Abra line, and was widely distributed over the generations afterwards. It also didn't see any competitive usage until Gen 8s' buff to it. However, the move received a bigger glow-up than Leech Life. So much so that in Gen 9 (up until DLC 2), it was only learned by the Ralts lines and was effectively a signature move. A move so strong it became a signature move. I'd say that deserves a mention.

@S0ftiB0iled

3 ай бұрын

Aw yes, my favorite move "leave the fucking battle"

@oireal7261

3 ай бұрын

@@S0ftiB0iled Hence why I mentioned it's buffed form lol

@suryave

3 ай бұрын

Teleport was a TM in gen 1 iirc so it wasn't ever really a signature move

Dragon darts also will focus both hits on one pokemon in doubles if one of them protected, that's the most niche QoL a move can have and I've always loved Dragon Darts

maybe it’s nostalgia but i agree with psystrike. like as far as signature moves go it is an OG. (although idk when the actual move was implemented in the games). like no matter what if i picture mewtwo i’m gonna picture it using aggressive psychic energy bc of the movie & the move is actually good

for rock its definetly the new move that iron boulder has because it hits through protect

If it was sword and shield, best steel type move goes to Behemoth Blade, 100 base damage, 100% accuracy and double the damage when attacked a Dynamax Pokemon making it 200 base power move with 100% accuracy

Surprised Volcanion's move was runner up over Walking Wake's Hydro Steam, which is not only a pretty strong water move, it gets boosted both by Rain and Sun, with Sun usually being a counter to water moves

Here's my list. It's similar to yours, but there are a few differences. Normal: Population Bomb Water: Fishious Rend Fire: V-create (Pyro Ball is the other main contender). Grass: Ivy Cudgel (Runner-ups are Seed Flare and Matcha Gotcha). Electric: Bolt Beak (Thunderclap and Electro Drift are runner-ups). Psychic: Psystrike (It's between this, Photon Geyser and Flying: Oblivion Wing (It was between this and Aeroblast). Fighting: Collision Course Bug: Attack/Defend/Heal Order (Not really any competition here). Dark: Ceaseless Edge Rock: Salt Cure Steel: Double Iron Bash (Shame Iron Crown doesn't get Sharpness, 'cus that would put Tachyon Cutter in the competition. Behemoth Blade is also noteworthy.) Fairy: Geomancy Dragon: Dragon Energy Poison: Dire Claw Ice: Glacial Lance Ghost: Astral Barrage Ground: Thousand Arrows Here are the reasonings for my divergences... Grass: Ivy Cudgel is way more reliable on Ogerpon than Seed Flare is on non-Sky Shaymin (who was banned more for its Air Slash antics anyway). Even then, Seed Flare would take second if you discount Ivy Cudgel due to its variable types, as Matcha Gotcha is far more threatening than Shaymin's Seed Flare (except as Shaymin-Sky), being a combination of Scald and Giga Drain, with only a slight loss in accuracy as the only drawback (and I know how you feel about Scald). Fighting: Koraidon is disgustingly strong and this effectively causing its super-effective hits to do 2.5x damage instead, further boosted by Orichalcum Pulse, make this one a no brainer, even for as potentially powerful as Victory Dance is. Dragon: Clangorous Soul is strong, for sure, but I find Regidrago's more instantly damage dealing move to be better, especially since Kommo-O sacrifices its own HP to use CS. It's that health-sacrifice that also prevents Fillet Away from being being mentioned. Ghost: Rage Fist is contingent on Annilhilape actually surviving hits which while yes, it is bulky, Calyrex-Shadow is out-and-out broken as hell and Astral Barrage is a huge part of that- it wouldn't be anywhere near as threatening if it had to rely on Shadow Ball.

This video just taught me that Jynx has two spikes on her dress for no reason!

Quick question: how much rank is considered good in OU and DOU?

Finally. Someone finally acknowledges just how powerful Melmetal is. I salute you, sir.

I don’t know how it would fall within the rules, but in theory I guess could be considered the best normal move, despite the entire point of the move being that it gets replaced. Also I’m surprised you didn’t mention pre-nerf dark void as at least an honourable mention

*Cries in Dark Void*

Silk trap is bug type protect that lowers speed. You could argue it's not on a great Mon and it doesn't block status moves but I feel it warrants a little more then a foghorn sound effect.

speaking of smeargle, why is sketch not the normal move? it lets you learn any move in the game and uhhh fun fact: grav apple does increased damage when gravity is active

@MattBudYT

22 күн бұрын

Look at it this way. Competitively, sketch is terrible. If you went into a battle with Sketch it would be a waste. Great move to have access to other moves for sure, but competitively terrible. That’s why I didn’t include it.

Sacred sword would be good for fighting if it still was swords of justice signature

Make a ranking of most unlikely things to happens in pkmn live mirage island, pokerus espontaneuly or finding a feebas inicialy

I feel like dragon energy from regidrago was overlooked but idk if any other pokemon learn it

I'm surprised thunderclap wasn't an honorable mention in the electric section. I know it's a little boring but priority is huge for a slower pokemon, and that alone should be enough for a mention - it arguably validates raging bolts existence

22:59 gave me an audio jumpscare in my right side ear phone am i the only one ? lmao

I just want to say that silk trap imo is much better than attack order. The abililty to protect and slow targets is massive. Imagine your going to get outsped- you can block, then outspeed next turn. And the fact it can be used every other turn, this move can be huge for setting up your team or hindering foes. Its just a much better protect and the fact protect is sutch a good move, means this is even better

@Hyperneosonic97

7 күн бұрын

Spidops isn't outspeeding much of anything, even after actually landing a Silk Trap speed drop; the thing has 35 base speed after all; that means its speed is on par with Dondozo and Garganacl. To say nothing about the fact that if you're using Spidops, you're probably not winning anyway, considering Spidops is, well, garbage. And there's honestly not much of reason _to_ attack into Spidops, anyway unless it's the only thing on the field. The reason Silk Trap is _nowhere near_ as good as the moves that came before and after, those being King's Shield, Obstruct and Burning Bulwark, is that Spidops is too weak to be threatening enough to actually make enemies want to attack into it; a problem that the other 'mons, (Aegislash, Obstagoon and Gouging Fire) don't have.

@_yarnzgaming_7012

7 күн бұрын

@@Hyperneosonic97 Ok ive learnt my lesson lmao. in the time of me originally sending the message ive changed my spidops build. I just run choice band first impression. it works well like caried fights good. then again ive just kinda scrapped the silk trap. its a better protect but more mons should get it

Its amazing how people see the list yet somehow they either miss or skip the disclaymers and rules of set list

Some good contenders are also grassy glide for grass and last respect for ghost imo. That said, really good video

@Marika_ER

3 ай бұрын

Grassy glide isn't a signature move

@lukecalos4442

3 ай бұрын

@@Marika_ER ah wow I didn't know that. Rillaboom's usage made me think it was his signature, but you are right 😅

@kiwi40238

3 ай бұрын

Houndstone also gets Last respects so it's not a signature move anymore

@lukecalos4442

3 ай бұрын

@@kiwi40238 I don't know how it works in this case. Like, it was only Houndstones, but then they introduced it in the fish's move set. I guess it makes sense it's not a signature move anymore

@Hyperneosonic97

2 ай бұрын

For Grass, if you discount the type-variable Ivy Cudgel, I'd say Sinistcha's Matcha Gotcha takes #1, by virtue of Matcha Gotcha being Scald and Giga Drain rolled into one move.

Had to subscribe because my name is Matt, and my official nickname in my family is Bud

@MattBudYT

5 күн бұрын

Welcome to the buds bud. Seems like we have a few things in common😎

Poison barrage deserves a mention too

Dear MattBud, If you had to coin a signature move for yourself what would you choose? This can be a move from the Pokémon universe or a completely made up move relating to your everyday life. Cheers, Your #1 Fan

4:08 NOOOOOOO

Scald, Knock Off, Last Respects are moves that have defined whole metagames

@simonekovacs6542

Ай бұрын

They are not signature

Psychic should have been Psycho Boost

I understand where you're coming from with Seed Flare, but I would say Flower Trick is the far better move because it always crits. Yes Seed Flare does more damage and lowers sp. defence, but the mechanics of crits make it more valuable. Crits ignore all stat changes. It doesn't care if your pokemon has minus six attack while the opponent has plus six defense, it's still dealing maximum damage. Being able to output its maximum damage under any and all conditions makes Flower Trick the only attack of its kind, and insane given its base power.

It’s crazy how many of these are new moves. Power creep is very obvious in moves these days.

What’s the best signature Stellar type move?

Feel like Electro Drift should’ve been included. 133 bp (terrain) 100% accurate move that does extra to special coming off Miraidons boosted spatk is arguably more reliable than bolt beak.

I was thinking why preciple blades or origin pulse wasn’t here

V-Create on Rayquaza would have been bonkers if the mon could actually access it and if it could use it under P-Don

@Hyperneosonic97

2 ай бұрын

It... could. The event Rayquaza could be transferred into ORAS without losing V-Create (this means Mega Ray also had access to V-Create. Heck, in Smogon's movesets for Mega Ray in Gens 6 and 7, V-Create and Earthquake are interchangeable for the fourth move.)

I think Psycho Boost is another strong contender for the Psychic-type. Draco Meteor, Leaf Storm, Overheat, and Fleur Cannon are already elite moves despite their drawbacks, and Psycho Boost is currently the only Sp. Atk drop recoil move to not get nerfed from 140 to 130 BP going into Gen 6. Even the meager Deo-S can still deal solid damage with this move Dragon is another with strong runner ups, I don't think Clangorous Soul is the best due to its bit of recoil. Dragon Energy is an incredibly menacing move. 150 BP with no immediate drawback is always a recipe for success, and switching into this move is indeed quite tricky without a Fairy-type. I think Fickle Beam is another strong contender for Dragon. A move useful enough that Hydrapple sometimes forgoes Draco Meteor, which is pretty rare among special Dragons. 30% chance for a 160 BP nuke is pretty decent odds, and the move's average base power is 102, eclipsing Dynamax Cannon and Spacial Rend. If Hydrapple was any faster, you'd hear so many complaints about this move.

@Hyperneosonic97

2 ай бұрын

If Hydrapple was faster, Fickle Beam would be the least of anybody's worries, what with Hydrapple's colossal bulk and decent SpA, plus excellent abilities.

I think Precipice blades and to a lesser extent Origin pulse should have been at least honorable mentions. Ok Thousands arrow and Fishious rend are broken ; but such powerful spread moves on such busted mons... Also, for Psychic type moves... I find Lunar blessing SO annoying in VGC... Very difficult to compare with offensive moves, so I wouldn't know where to rank it, but definitely an contender.

Would Dark Void have been a top choice for the dark type, if not for those drastic nerfs a couple gens ago?

@nazeersadek6705

3 ай бұрын

Absolutely it would

@MattBudYT

3 ай бұрын

Yeah most likely. Its synergy with bad dreams and good accuracy for a sleep move made it super good. Would still be a tough choice with Ceaseless Edge being such a great move

Clangrous soul plus reversal

10:27 don't diss Twineedle. I used to see it on Mega Bedrill for a revenge kill mega boost back in the day

@MattBudYT

3 ай бұрын

That’s Fell Stinger

Quiver dance 😭😭

Actually, the only downside for Steam Eruption isn't the 95% accuracy (which doesn't really matter) but moreso the maximum of 8 PP, making it much less spammable than Scald.

@link3629

Ай бұрын

95% does matter a lot in competitive pokemon, that's why you will see players run weaker moves that have 100% accuracy instead to be more consistent, since consistency and strategy wins you tournaments, not big damage casino roulette

@volu7169

Ай бұрын

@@link3629 not when the inaccurate move is way stronger though.

No ivy cudgel?

Do best boosting moves. A lot of good ones can't legally be baton passed. Edit: except by Smeargle.

Rising Voltage and Expanding Force are two of my favs. Not signature moves tho.

for the psychic type the best signature move gotta be trick

Colistion cores and electro drift enter the chat

the only argument i have, how did a dragon dance reskin beat out secret sword

The quality of this vid is just too good

wait oblivion wing is a flying type wtf i thought it was dark... ya know for the dark type legendary...

@meltyanimations2672

3 ай бұрын

It would be too op with Yveltal's Dark Aura

@suryave

3 ай бұрын

Yveltal is a dark and flying type pokemon so it makes perfect sense

For rock type it’s gotta be mighty cleave instead of salt cure

Honestly, my only complaint is how easily you counted out Silk Trap. Dropping Speed is an incredible second effect on a Protect clone. I honestly think it's better than Attack and Defend Order combined.

@Hyperneosonic97

7 күн бұрын

The big problem is that while Vespiquen is _bad_ to be sure, Spidops is somehow even worse. Silk Trap's secondary effect doesn't even help Spidops since Spidops is _so slow_ it will likely still get outsped by 'mons at -1 speed. Rage Fist wouldn't be considered if Annihilape wasn't bulky as hell, after all.

@namelessdragon330

7 күн бұрын

@@Hyperneosonic97 This ain't a list of the 'mons themselves though, it's a list of the moves. Spidops sucks shit harder than most sewers, yeah, but that shouldn't affect how we judge Silk Trap itself.

@Hyperneosonic97

7 күн бұрын

@@namelessdragon330 But then Rage Fist would just pale in comparison to Astral Barrage, since it would take three rounds of battle for Rage Fist to outdo Astral Barrage. The context of the user absolutely does matter, otherwise Rage Fist would not have won out over Astral Barrage.

@namelessdragon330

6 күн бұрын

@@Hyperneosonic97 Rage Fist just is better than Astral Barrage on any 'mon with bulk. Astral Barrage is only better on the glassiest of glass cannons. It's not Annihilape vs. Calyrex, it's a move with versatility vs. a move without it.

Fairy type, funny enough, has a spammable move better than Fleur Cannon. Light of Ruin is Head Smash but Fairy-Type and Special. Too bad its only user is an unreleased Pokémon.

4:10 bro killed a shiny 💀

three moves i thought were missing were precipice blades (1000 arrows is better tho), Origin Pulse which is the higher damage when combined with kyogres rain, and Dark Void which was so good that gamefreak nerfed it to the ground. if you thought going from 80 to 70 base power for wicked blow was bad this was worse, going from 100% accuracy to 50% accuracy. litterally useless.

@christiancinnabars1402

3 ай бұрын

Dark Void went from 85% to 50%. It never had 100% accuracy.

@jasonrabideau3919

3 ай бұрын

​@@christiancinnabars1402 you still get the point

@bakingguy4200

3 ай бұрын

You're right, i just wrote that at lime 11 last night and wasn't thinking too hard

My opinion is ogerpon move because bonk

Dragon Ascent has to be number 1 because it’s use gives you access to the strongest Pokémon to exist, which is better than healing a bit

Arceus, beaten by a tiny group of mice.

How much did eternabeam do that a pretty good move if I remember right

@MattBudYT

2 ай бұрын

It's 160 base power 90% accuracy. But it is a recharge move making it inferior to Dynamax Cannon which is 100 power 100% accurate and has no drawbacks

7:20 he spells paralyze like “Parayze” lmao

@MattBudYT

3 ай бұрын

Tactical mistake to farm engagement

11:20 bro forget ogerpon

Collision Course

I’m not gone hold you …I wish a lot more Poison Pokemon learned Toxic Thread lol…here take this poison…and your speed lowered…lol

G-max steelsurge? They should really give Copperajah a steel-type version of ceaseless edge anf call it steelsurge

I don't know why no-one is talking about ( regidrako's dragon energy ) ( kyogre's origin pulse ) ( regilaki's thunder cage and ( groudon's p recipice blade

@Hyperneosonic97

7 күн бұрын

Dragon Energy aside, the mentioned moves are much better. Origin Pulse and Precipice Blades are strong, sure, but Fishious Rend and Thousand Arrows are so overall powerful, they all but single-handedly got Dracovish and Zygarde-50% banned in Smogon Singles. Thunder Cage is a completely non-factor here, as it is in every way worse than the generic Thunderbolt.

walking wakes hydro stream is probably as good as fishious rend imo

No Water Spout mention?

@23.angelo

3 ай бұрын

water spout isnt a signate move..

@Hyperneosonic97

2 ай бұрын

Water Spout was never a signature move. Wailmer's line and Kyogre always shared it, with the Squirtle and Remoraid lines getting it in Gen 4 and Frillish's line getting it in Gen 5.

Anyone else notice the clip of Kleavor killing the SHINY psyduck

@exarquazowexa7247

Ай бұрын

When ?

@leanderstahulak4887

Ай бұрын

In the rock one with the Kleavor in legends Arceus

@exarquazowexa7247

Ай бұрын

@@leanderstahulak4887 thanks

I thought for sure matcha gotcha for grass was gonna be the top. Didnt even make the list

I'm surprised ivy cudgel wasn't mentioned anywhere

@ZakingYT

3 ай бұрын

or iron boulders signature move

@yamummyyummy4785

3 ай бұрын

@@ZakingYT yeah true. mighty cleave is probably the best physical rock-type move in the entire franchise

@Hyperneosonic97

2 ай бұрын

I'd argue that Ivy Cudgel has steep competition from Matcha Gotcha (Sinistcha's signature move).

@yamummyyummy4785

2 ай бұрын

@@Hyperneosonic97 i'd say that because ivy cudgel has more base power, is more accurate and has an increased chance to crit that it is better than matcha gotcha. matcha gotcha is a good spread move, don't get me wrong. especially with the passive health regen and chance to burn. but it just doesn't sweep through teams live ivy cudgel does because it just misses too much, and the burn status doesn't make too much of a difference against special attackers. grass attacks are resisted by a lot of types as well, so more often than not a grass spread move is going to be resisted by one of the opponent's pokemon on their side of the field. so not only are you not doing much damage to the pokemon that resists matcha gotcha, but you're actually losing 25% of your damage against the other pokemon that you're actually trying to hit, because spread moves do less damage when they hit multiple targets. it also helps that ivy cudgel can change types depending on your ogerpon mask, giving you more coverage than just grass attacks.

@Hyperneosonic97

2 ай бұрын

@@yamummyyummy4785 Imho the thing is though is that much of Ivy Cudgel's utility is _because_ it changes types: It is simultaneously a grass-type move, a water-type move, a fire-type move and a rock-type move- Ogerpon's mask forms wouldn't NEARLY be as good (especially Hearthflame) without Ivy Cudgel switching types. So similarly to Judgement, Multi-Attack and Tera Starstorm, can we really count it? If we discount Ivy Cudgel because it changes type, Matcha Gotcha does win out.

id argue psycho boost is better but psystrike is a good pick

@Marika_ER

3 ай бұрын

No because psycho boost lowers your Stat

urishifu: am i a joke to you

@MattBudYT

12 күн бұрын

Both Urshifu's have an honourable mention. Just edged out by better moves IMO

@user-zl7ix6mb1v

11 күн бұрын

as an urshifu tornnada player i cant belive you said that but any thing that is not competitive i under stand(i mostly use mulit strick)