Thank to Allen from @SoundSpeeds for helping me to learn more about the MKH 50! Check out his channel for a ton of great audio info: kzread.info

@SoundSpeeds

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the invite Tom. I love this video.

@tcbeaton1

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Tom, Great video lots of good info. The holes on the side of the shotgun mics are there for a purpose. If a mic has no side (or back) ports, the microphone will be an omnidirectional mic. Adding the ports allows back-pressure to hit the backside of the mic cartridge pushing against the sound coming in the front, this is how you get cardioid, super-cardioid, and hyper-cardioid pick-up patterns.

@annoholics

10 ай бұрын

I have the feeling you don't fully understand why there are openings at the sides of those boom mics like the NTG3. These openings should cancel out sounds that come from the sides by phase shifting. So, if a sound is coming from the side then to top of a soundwave is canceled out with the bottom of the soundwave that is coming trough another opening. The reason why this effect is not working well indoors is because indoors sound is bouncing of all kinds of surfaces so sounds are already shifted in all kinds of random ways. This means that you get unwanted effects on your own vocals. That is why the MKH-50 works better indoors in more or less untreated / not perfect treated rooms. So in a filmset where you can't perfectly treat the whole room because a movie has to be recorded or in a home KZread studio where you have also untreated surfaces, the MKH-50 works best.

Thanks. FYI, the vents on the sides of shotgun mics are designed to actually HELP the rejection of sounds coming from the sides. It's an "interference tube" design and they're meant more for outdoor use than indoor. Hope that helps. 🙂

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info!

Жыл бұрын

I was going to comment the same! Thanks

@PoetWithPace

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for clarifying…. I did wonder why some mics are so long

@asianguy6174

Жыл бұрын

In an enclosed space those slats cause phase cancellation

@asianguy6174

Жыл бұрын

Not in a small reverberant space. A tiny space, even treated, will give cause reverberation unless it’s of an insane thickness, as much as 8”. kzread.infoUgkxDTiFpzPgHWlWSF8aBxJWTy3d7nUiRgfx

Might be a bit confused on the slits on a shotgun mike Tom. The "interference tube" (the extension to the mic's housing with the slits in) is actually designed to filter OUT the side pickup. It does not allow more room sound in to the recording, instead it improves the tight directionality of a mic. Inside a shotgun mic is a regular small diaphragm 'pencil' mic (just like a Rode NT5 or AKG 451 or Sennheiser E614...). Adding a well designed 'interference tube' creates a tighter pattern allowing less in from the sides. There is an argument that the interference tube is less effective in a small room, but the principle still stands. Thanks for all you're doing :)

@sublimedrg

2 жыл бұрын

Just to add some helpful, nerdy information: Shogtun mics were designed to work outdoors. The interference tube has a delay network that phase cancels sounds coming in from the sides at a frequency inversely proportional to the length of the tube, longer tube equals directionality starting at lower frequencies and above. Short line mics like the NTG start focusing at the upper mids and are really only directional in the higher frequencies. In a small, untreated room sound reflecting off the walls can come back in through the interference tube out of phase with the direct signal. This can result in additional room sound and degrade the quality of the direct sound. Often times, it's not an issue and Sound Mixers certainly use MKH 416s indoors but for interior shots you're more likely to see professionals using hypercardioid condensers like the Sennheiser MKH50's, Schoeps CMC6 MK41's, DPA 4017 etc. TLDR: Shotgun mics can sound bad if used in the wrong environment. Hypercardoid mics will more often be the better choice when indoors.

@afoeder

2 жыл бұрын

isn't the whole magic of a directional microphone that there are two pickup capsules in line and a differential amplifier amplifies only what is not picked up exactly synchroneously due to the delay of sonic picked up by the first, then by the second capsule?

@Tvj_films8452

6 ай бұрын

@@sublimedrgwhat’s a good budget friendly hyper cardioid microphone?

I have been wanting this microphone for quite a while. It sounds so good!

Nice to hear a fresh take on video microphone. Do glad you included @sound speeds !

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

Allen is awesome! Thanks for the kind words 🙏

Awesome shotgun mic review, I actually love that you included a interview that you did with someone else who is a expert in audio. Super cool!

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

Sometimes you just have to reach out to people who know more 😁

GREAT video - as so many have already said! Thanks for showing us your mic set up and even taking it outside. Fantastic!

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

Very scientific testing. 🤓

Consider: The dominant 'room effect' in your sitting-at-a-table-talking-head scenes is what acousticians and engineers call 'first reflection.' Beyond distance and aim of the mic, it will dominate the timbre of your environment. For your case, the first reflections come from your tabletop. Change that acoustic surface and you will strongly affect the captured sound of your voice. Without the table, it might be the ceiling, or floor, or back wall. First reflections dominate, maybe even more than your selection of microphones. Witness what Allen said in his video, the acoustic treatment around him allows a $50 mic to be his choice. Positioning a mic? Think first of distance, then of aim, then of first reflections. :)

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this insight! I hadn’t heard the term before 👍

@ericallnight

2 жыл бұрын

great tip! Thanks!

@hyunjoonkim

2 жыл бұрын

How should one go about treating the first reflections coming from the tabletop? Apart from draping thick blanket all over it, is there a more practical approach to this problem? Thanks!

@jimshaw899

2 жыл бұрын

@@hyunjoonkim It's science meets art. Cover it or change the covering. Maybe make the tabletop in front of the talent much smaller and out of frame. A typical hard tabletop is about as bad as it can be, acoustically. Also, consider placing some items on the tabletop to broaden the timing of reflected sounds or if the talent requires a table, use two or three surfaces of different heights. There are creative solutions, not many cookbook solutions. If you use a shotgun or hyper-cardioid, consider aiming it more nearly horizantallly at the talent rather than down toward the tabletop. The intent is to make the sound eminating from the talent's lips much more prominent than any first reflection. (It's maybe one reason why talk show hosts generally wear lavalier mics rather than using boom mics eh?) You cannot eliminate first reflections; you can reduce the bad ones and change their character. Hope that helps.

@jimshaw899

2 жыл бұрын

@@tombuck I listened closely to you latest video which used an overhead mic pointed downward. Sure enough, the sound off the table added a very prominent effect. Since it seems to enhance a certain range to your voice, it doesn't surprise me that you like the 'baritone-profundo' effect. :)

I appreciate getting into the weeds when it comes to audio and this video did not disappoint! Tom, Your delivery and breakdowns on vids like this is refreshing and entertaining. I am rocking a Shure MV7 with a Zoom Podtrak P8 and I could not be happier with my sound quality with that combo. I think the most important insight from this is making sure that you treat the sound in your room more than the mic. The same is true for lighting your studio properly over the type of camera that you use. Keep up the great work brotha!

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

That's a great combo! I think Allen was on point when he talked about putting most of your budget into sound treatment rather than a mic. I should probably to a bit more of that myself (and having a hollow drum set in the middle of the room doesn't help either 😁 )

@karatjuicepodcast

2 жыл бұрын

@@tombuck The Drumset is a must... reminds me of Dale Dobak anytime I see it in the background.. "DON'T TOUCH IT!" LOL

Thanks for the comparison. The mkh 50 sounds great into the camera, and on your voice. It’s amazing how well the videomic holds up too. Cheers, Andrew

Loved this video! Love there is light everywhere!! Very pleasant to watch. I’m going for the MKH 50 now 😎 thank you.

@tombuck

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for the kind words!

Tom, I wanted to drop in and give you some praise. I love your thumbnails. You manage to capture your personality and your channels vibe/essence and still be unique. Your content is great. I am happy to see your channel growing. Keep up the great work!

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I've really been trying some new stuff with thumbnails and they're definitely taking a lot more time lately. Trying to keep things interesting and clear while also being "on brand" is a tricky line to walk.

Yet another helpful video, thanks! The advice about room treatments was especially helpful

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

Treatment really is important, and probably something I should focus on more myself. Glad you liked the video!

Great discussion Tom! I have the RODE VideoMic NTG as well and noticed the room reverb as well. After seeing the MKH 50's design and you pointing out that the air ports were only near the front, I took some electrical tape and covered up all but the first 3 rows of ports on both sides of the NTG. It moderately reduced the reverb pick up from my voice bouncing off the walls. Hope this helps others while we're all saving up our dollas for the 50. Cheers!

@xuanaraya

9 ай бұрын

Great tip! Doing that!

What a great video! Love the b-roll shots with the anamorphic lens :D

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

Great eye! I love that lens so much.

I really want to start my own podcast so iv been binging all your video's. Much appreciated all the info is super helpful.

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

Happy to hear that! Gear is fun and absolutely makes a difference, but don't be afraid to get started with whatever you currently have. 👍

@oneeyedking3

2 жыл бұрын

@@tombuckI've got an old Zoom h4n with a Podmic. Then a old Lumix fz200 with a rode shotgun mic for backup. Finding the audio from the Podmic super quiet though going to have to figure that out.

Enjoyed the video. You might want to note that the holes on the side of a shotgun mic like the Rode NTG aid in off-axis noise cancellation. They're not the problem. They're the solution in the case of a shotgun mic. It's the reason why a shotgun mic tends to have better directional pick-up than other mics.

Glad you're enjoying the MKH50 Tom!

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for helping to push me towards it!

Hands down the MKH50, sounds great for your set up, and your stream yesterday with both you and Heather, sounded natural and really good.

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

I'm really loving how easy it's made everything! Not 100% the same as having a nice mic right in front of me, but really close and well worth the convenience.

Phenomenal Thumbnail Image Tom!!

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Kirk! I really like the background colors in it.

I have used the MKH 20 and 40 a lot. They are really great mics.

Very interesting and helpful Tom. Thank you.

@tombuck

Жыл бұрын

Glad to hear it! I absolutely love this mic.

Fantastic video and great info comparing microphones

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jake!

The sound from that Mic is very sweet indeed and thanks for doing this demo. Great that Sennheiser let you keep it as it has a 'Pro level' price indeed. I think that everyone has different needs and studios have different sound environments which makes it tricky to recommend one Mic over the other. I am using the relatively inexpensive RØDE NT5 (after having used the NT1, NTG etc) which solved the echo problem for me, cheers.

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

There's definitely not a universal "best" mic and a lot really does depend on individual situations. The NT5 is awesome!

I got the mkh-50 several years ago for indoor use. I always thought I would buy a shotgun at some point for outdoor situations. The mkh-50 was so good outdoors that I never did get a shotgun mic. I’m sure there are situations where, say, an mkh-416 would have the edge, just not in my use cases which are fairly well controlled. It’s basically my go-to mic for video work.

Interesting setup. Your boom is fixed on the tripod. This is a great solution for quick interview setup 🙏🏼

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

It's relatively new, but I'm liking the setup so far. The cool part is that once the mic is positioned out of frame, I can move the camera without getting the mic in the shot (since it's attached to the tripod head).

Wow great experiment on the mics outside. sounds nice.

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! It wasn't the most "scientific" test, but at least you can hear how the mics perform in different environments and at different distances.

Very cool review and your example is sneakily one of the best features of the Sony Fx3. Used a shotgun mic on a boom/c-stand into the fx3 for two dozen interviews this fall. I love that camera, love the setup.

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

I’m really liking this camera even more than I expected. It’s super rad!

@PatrickBoberg

2 жыл бұрын

@@tombuck well with Sony you Just Can't Lose!

Great video, Tom!

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much Aaron!

I'm really considering about buying a shot gun microphone for my setup! This video has just come out at the perfect time thank you! 😊

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

It can definitely be worth the investment, and I love it. But like Allen said, sound treatment is equally, if not more important 👍

I love the Rode NTG sound better outside, and if you are moving around in a studio it seems a better option as well. The MKH50 is better if I were to be able to stay in proper zone. I just started a KZread channel for people trying to start a channel on the cheaper budget, I have a hard time staying in one static spot for a prolonged period of time while doing a video. so the NTG being able to grab hold of my voice when I lean left and right while talking would be the better fit! Thank you for providing a video that sheds light on this trait in shotgun mics that should be considered when trying to find a microphone!

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

The NTG really is a phenomenal mic, especially for the price. I've been super happy with mine and it holds up really well against higher end offerings 👍

The Rode NTG is pretty impressive for the price, compared to these 2-4x more expensive options. I really appreciate the suggestion to think about room treatment investment BEFORE mic investment. So easy to get excited about buying a mic or gear and overlook the environment.

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

I'm REALLY impressed with how well the NTG holds up. I think it's still the best all around value. Plus you can use it as a USB mic!

@MSladekPhoto

2 жыл бұрын

@@tombuck Hmmmmm... Well, if/when I switch to shotgun from lav, I think this will be the way to go!

Great production value and information. That's really a great position to be in, such a "first world problem". I as a viewer with better than average knowledge about sound am pretty happy with any of those mics.

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

It's definitely splitting hairs at a certain point. But for me, after hundreds of videos (on top of projects and things beyond KZread) I've started to hear every little thing I don't like about a mic, and the Sennheiser makes my workflow so much easier.

Well done on the setup and testing. I added an Oktava MK-012 pencil mic (used for $165) to my Rode NTG-2 (used for $135) for the same reasons, ie indoor reverb. Curtis Judd explains this expertly. I have a non-profit/ministry podcast and can not afford a $1200 anything. But nice to see that you moved to Sony.

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

Curtis is absolutely brilliant! Love him.

@FastJohnnyNardGard

7 ай бұрын

The Okatava (with the hyper-cardioid capsule) IMO is absolutely the best choice at that lower price point. It's punching way above its weight class and is definitely my recommendation for anyone who doesn't want to spend a thousand plus on a pencil condenser. There's a decent used market for them and even retail they're well worth the price.

This video is tempting or enabling me. I have been thinking about getting another mic for so long. Thank you (I think....) :D

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

For anyone thinking of investing in a higher end mic, I can’t recommend this enough.

@JensLarsen

2 жыл бұрын

@@tombuck I was really curious since I saw that you had the FX3. My plan was indeed better mic + K3M and not have extra sync work.which is essentially the same setup but with an A7SIII

Woah! That Rode definitely holds up. As a first time viewer, and swithcing over to my over the ear headphones, the Rode has a bit more sparkle, boosting the higher frequencies is what it sounds like. But for the price differnce, shoot that Rode is not bad at all. May just nee to boost a tiny bit of that low end to match the MKH. I can still hear a bit of the room still, but overall not teriible. If I was using it, besides adding a bit of low end, I would hit my audio with some Izotope DeVerb or DeNoise. Good stuff brother!

Thanks for this. Super helpful

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

So happy to hear that! Thank you.

I love the intro. Get that mic outta the frame but still have great sound. Yes! Yes! Yes!

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks again for all your help!

Thanks! Great info

@tombuck

Жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

I was on the search for a shotgun mic, and was pointed towards the Synco Mic-D2 which is a bit cheaper than the Videomic (and has XLR). I bought it and for far i am very pleased with it!

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

That's great to hear! Like Allen said, positioning and sound treatment are almost more important than the mic!

Wow, MKH 50 sounds very good in the low-end frequencies on your voice. I'd like to have 4 of these for a mic-free (in the shot) podcast.

I'd love to hear what you think of the Octava MK-012 since its a more similar design to you new MKH 50 but is in a lot more folks budget. Great video as always

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the recommendation!

Allen is definitely a sound guy, look at that camera focus lmao Cool video, liking the channel btw

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Sully! I feel bad because Allen offered to send me his local video files and I was like "don't worry, the interview recording will be fine"...and it really didn't help his video quality. IF you check out his channel, everything looks a lot better 😁

Oh my goodness, Tom! You answered a question that I had when I bought my tiny shotgun mic. What in the heck is a pencil mic?! I knew that was what I wanted, but even the inexpensive pencil mics aren't exactly inexpensive. My poor research basically told me pencil is pretty much a really short(?) shotgun mic. The idea that it wouldn't have ports on the side never occurred to me. There's a great video from Diety comparing shotgun mics. I'm not sure I liked their testing methodology, but something they did explain well is that longer shotgun mics need a biggest space. When they put their longest shotgun in the smallest room, it just sounds weird. It is worse than just reverb. It is some sort of out of phase reverse(?) reverb. But now I know what a pencil mic is, and I am excited about this.

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

Deity is really good at providing resources to help understand things. I love their videos. I was in the same boat as you where I thought that a longer mic would be better at isolating sound. I always wondered why I saw this tiny mic on the end of boom poles for movies and tv shows, and now I know.

This video was awesome and informative.

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

@dabswho

2 жыл бұрын

@@tombuck Ofc! I love your videos!

Dude your videos are so good! And your lighting and color palettes hit me in the feels for sure. Great work!

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I really appreciate the kind words 🙏

I completely agree! Lot's of misconception about using mics. Have a fabulous week! Best, Matthias 👋

Yowza! The MKH50 sounds pristine. Great alternatives though. There is definitely a mic for every use case. I would go with the Senny though because it is hysterically well made.

Always a pleasure to watch your content Tom. Thanks for the review. The thing is that you can buy the most expensive shotgun mic in the world, you'll still have to deal with ambiant noise, reverb, etc. I got the Rode NTG3 for one of my cameras and I'm waiting for a Sennheiser MKH416 for indoor interviews, still I know it will sound crappy if I don't "treat" the accoustics around my talent. At that point I think I also need to invest in sound blankets and more C-stands 😂😂

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

Sound treatment is definitely a hugely important factor, if not quite as exciting as a shiny new mic.

@lecommis6842

2 жыл бұрын

@@tombuck 🤣 that’s for sure

The bottom on the Sennheiser sounds lovely!

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

It’s such a great mic!

Allen is absolutely great. I came here because of his channel.

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

Such an awesome/knowledgeable buy! I love how willing he is to share his experience.

Love that 50mm Sirui doin the B-Roll!

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

Good eye!

@BrandonTalbot

2 жыл бұрын

@@tombuck I use it nearly everyday so I’m keen to it:) love it. Also you have a huge back yard!

Finally someone explains Small D Condenser vs Shotguns indoors. Most people will not spend the loot for a Small Diaphragm Condenser. That was SUM good content there TB. Vents = Interference Tube 😇

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

I was specifically thinking of you while making this, so I’m glad it passed the Doc test.

When down a large rabbit hole after this….. they make some nice mics. I know they are all great quality but I never really looked into them. Definitely going to dive in and see the more things I can find.

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

They’re great! Super high quality, made in Germany, been around for ages.

On studio speakers the difference is more noticable. However, on my laptop, the MKH 50 is very similar to the S-Mic 2. The Rode was having a hard time keeping up overall. Great video!

@tombuck

Жыл бұрын

It definitely depends on how you listen. When I'm editing in my headphones EVERYTHING stand out, but when I show a clip to my wife on our living room TV it all sounds exactly the same and I have to try and prove I'm not crazy 😁

Vs MKH416: I’ve been debating whether to replace it with this due To audible indoor reverb when using it for my talking head videos but your video is just a reminder to complete my room treatment before replacing! But I will add the MKH50 to replace my RE20 and take it out of frame for my livestreams

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, since you've already got the 416, I think better treatment is the way to go. I know Marques Brownlee use the 416 and his audio always sounds perfect. I also know he's invested a lot into sound treatment 😁

@zedamex

2 жыл бұрын

Agree with Tom, you need to focus on the room itself. In my situation the RE20 will be the go to. You'll hear too many other noises with the MKH 50 p48 just due to proximity change, and nature of condenser mics. I don't have the 416 to do a direct comparison indoors but can surmise that the MKH 50, despite dealing with room reverb better than the 416, will not be your solution to hearing a lot of room reverb in your recordings.

the mkh50 is a great mic! love it too, it can handle almost everything and use it on a regular basis on filmshoots. was never pleased with more affordable alternatives like rode, AT 4053b, deity... only mic in this range i'm still like is the oktava mkh012 with cardioid capsule. nice video!

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

Many people will say it's expensive, but that's entirely relative. $1200 definitely isn't pocket change, but in a professional workflow, it's not bad. And on big budget film sets, it's practically free.

@ericallnight

2 жыл бұрын

@@tombuck Agree! Plus people are quick to buy a single lens that's $1200+ and not blink an eye. Imagine the quality of sound people could get if they invested even half of what they do on camera gear into sounds treatment and good mics...

@Tom Buck, I think there might be a bit of confusion regarding what those holes in the sides of the mic barrel are. The those holes are part of what is called an “interference tube”. It purposefully allows sound to enter the microphone barrel in those places. However, because the actual microphone capsule is at the end, past all those holes, what ends up happening is that all of those little sounds entering those holes essentially end up interfering with each other as they reach the microphone capsule, and canceling out. Think of how you sometimes end up experiencing phase issues if you have 2 copies of the almost the same sound that don’t quite line up. Essentially, an interference tube *causes* phase issues in sound that is coming off axis, which then cancels out and leaves you with sounds that are only on axis. The MKH 50, seems to use a different technology, as it doesn’t look like it has those same interference tube holes. Now, as for whether or not they allow a more reverby sound, I couldn’t really tell you honestly. I think that ultimately depends on how a given microphone rejects off axis frequencies. It sounds like the MKH 50 does a better job of rejecting off axis, high frequency, sounds that would be present in more reverby environments, so it ends up sounding cleaner, but I don’t know much about the MKH 50, and am speculating as a result. I hope that helps!

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this! I appreciate the super easy to understand explanation- definitely makes more sense now. 👍

@ATTACKofthe6STRINGS

2 жыл бұрын

@@tombuck hey, I figured you could use the information. Like I mentioned, I’m not entirely sure how the interference tube affects the off-axis frequency response. It could be that it allows for more even off-axis rejection, which would mean that the “room tone” would sound more present than in the MKH50, if the Sennheier ends up rejecting high end more. It’s a whole bunch of design specifics to meet whatever need the manufacturer had for it. It could very well be that the MKH50 was designed that way to get a tone that had a darker off-axis response specifically so it blends better with close mics, or it could be that the other mic was simply designed to have a more even and natural sounding off axis response so that you could have as wide a sweet spot as a super-cardioid pattern could possibly allow while still retraining good off-axis rejection.

Whenever I worked as a sound mixer: Mkh50 inside, Mkh416 outside (although with the 416 the boom operator has to be way more skilled and if there's more than one talent talking at the same time chances are one of them will be out of focus). But... anyways... these mics are expensive, for youtube videos maybe they're a bit overkill? For the price, the Rode is really impressive, I used high end large diaphragm mics from rode which I like, but I would have never thought that a 200$ mic could sound this good (well maybe it's a bit noisy, but still). I'm new to your channel, great video quality and all, but im sure you already know that! Thanks for the video, I enjoyed it.

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

The NTG is awesome and the 50 inside/416 outside makes total sense given their strengths. But I've got to say, I hear "just for KZread videos" way too often. In 2022, KZread channels can drive more viewership and earn more revenue than some network television shows. This channel pays my mortgage, so I'm happy to invest in good gear when needed. Overkill is something that's in the eye of the beholder and definitely based on individual circumstance. On top of that, lots of people who make KZread videos also do other media work, so a solid investment benefits everything.

@DrewProject

2 жыл бұрын

@@tombuck oh you totally got a point there man. I for one would not have the gear i do if i wasn’t already involved in the industry. And I understand it totally. Also your channel is medium/big one, and you produce high quality stuff, so I totally get that this is what pays your bills. I’m just thinking of all the youtubers wannabe that want to start a vlog or something very low key and don’t have money. a $1.5k mic might be a bit too much (and especially the expertise to use it properly might be lacking). That being said, I don’t own a mkh50 but i do own a 416. As soon as It’ll make sense for me to buy one i will definitely get it because I’m gear addicted haha (for now I’ll just keep renting it for client jobs where i need it). Although i might go for the newer version (yes i know it’s not exactly the same product but I think it’d be slightly better for my specific case) i think it’s the 8050? Sorry if that’s not the right name i can’t rem right now 😝. Thank you for your reply and your pov on the matter man. I really appreciate it and it think it gave me a different perspective. Always happy to learn something new 😊

@timmark4190

2 жыл бұрын

I use it for zoom calls. It’s worth if you stream for thousands of viewers

MKh50 is def warmer when I wear headphones. But when you moved them closer outside.. the Diety got warmer. Weird… but it does sound great. I like the idea of reducing complexity directly into the mic. I just got the Tascam x8 to avoid clipping… but it’s post editing 🤷🏾‍♂️ Tom thx as always for sharing with us! 👊🏽

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

It's always interesting how the sound of a mic can change so much based on the environment.

Can’t block that money maker. I loved this video, especially including the clip from Sound Speed!

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

Allen is so great. I sent him a quick message and he immediately was like, "Yep, I'll help with whatever you need!"

Great vid as usual Tom. I have a Rode Videomic NTG (I wonder who recommended that…) and I really love it. Use it all the time. Very interesting that tip about the budget split re room treatment vs. microphone cost ….Wow! 😳 Oh and btw, your side angle looks like Sony footage not EOS R footage. Is that the A7siii now? Looks great whatever it is!

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

It is yes! I think this is the first video I did that was entirely Sony!

@kwameryan

2 жыл бұрын

@@tombuck haha! Knew it! 😂 And yet I see you showing up in the R5C comments... 😉

Maybe it's just me but I didn't notice much of a difference between all three mics. Admittedly I was listening through the MBP built-in speakers and I'm no audiophile but the Rode mic was still very impressive IMHO. None of them were like, "OMG my ears." Great video as always Tom!

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

Headphones will definitely show more of a difference, but they’re all great mics 👍

I just bought my first shotgun, a Rode VideoMic NTG… meant for a on-camera, but could be boomed. Hoping I get to fiddle with it this weekend… going to check the rest of this vid now, thanks! Update: watched the rest of this vid & glad you made this comparison vid 🎉🙏🏽💯 perfect timing my man. My Sony A7C doesn’t have XLR input, so I’ll stick with that VM NTG, for now.

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

The NTG is fantastic! I do think the MKH50 is better overall, but you also need to make a significantly higher investment and have proper gear to run it through. The NTG is a great middle ground because it's super versatile and also quite affordable. It also does work great as a boom! Just be sure to use a decent quality 3.5mm extension cable that's not subject to interference. 👍

@bffstudio

Жыл бұрын

Hey man, how did it go with the NTG?

@AJCoReTV

Жыл бұрын

@@bffstudio great…. I’m going to be uploading a few videos shortly that I recorded with it finally… hope you can follow to watch

So glad to see you make this video!! This so much misinfo in the youtube filmmaking world about mics. Everyone immediately uses shotguns for indoor talking heads/dialogue when these pencil type mics can be better suited. I own the MKH 50 and use it for professional indoor interviews and it's pretty amazing, tho it can sometimes be a little harsh on certain voices that have a lot of sibilance in their 's' sounds. Anyways great info!

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you Eric! There's definitely no such thing as the absolutely perfect mic for everyone in every situation, but this one has really been a huge help for me.

Error Will Robinson. The holes in the side of a shotgun mic are part of the acoustic diffraction tube in front of the mic capsule. The diffraction tube allows sound from off axis in a controlled way so that the off axis sound cancels itself before reaching the mic diaphragm. BTW, the MKH50 has holes in the back of the mic capsule which allows sound in from the rear which then cancels sounds coming off axis. Canceling sound from the sides as well as the rear.

@smarter_in_5_mins

2 жыл бұрын

I was just going to write the same note. But other than that, this was definitely useful comparison for many people.

I picked up a Rode NT5 a while back and wow, I learned real quick that my room is nowhere near the treatment level I need for that mic.

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

Treatment is definitely important. Probably not as exciting as a shiny new mic, but vital.

hey Tom great video, and i woulld like to see if you could check out the earthworks icon pro, cause it really seems like the one of the best mics for livestreaming without blocking your face with it thanks to being a condenser, and also is like the condenser/shotgun version of the sm7b so pretty interesting to see you reviewing it!!

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

It makes a quick appearance in this video (I have the windscreen from the ETHOS on it). I love that mic, it's really fantastic and it is super compact.

Great vid 👍👍 It's actually really difficult (for me, at least) to hear much of a difference between them (even through headphones, I'm using AKG K7xx). That leads me to the question of "how much do I need to spend" to get "good enough" - in fact, it would be great to see a video on the different $$$ levels for amateur vs prosumer / KZreadr middle-ground vs KZreadr pro. That would help people to get a feel for where the "diminishing returns" kick in and whether to make that investment or not (assuming that content / script / story-line are all on point). Personally I use a Sennheiser MKE 600 and it seems to do the job in my 4 x 7 metre garage home office with plasterboard walls, a steel roller door and minimal glass (1 door and a window). I chose this over the "industry standard" (at the time) MKH 416.But always curious as to just how much difference there is with other offerings...

@tombuck

6 ай бұрын

I think you've hit the nail on the head- so much is about what works for you specifically and the "standards" are sometimes just general guides. The MKE 600 is terrific, and I also recently did a video on the Audio Technica AT897, which is a great performing budget friendly option. I think a nuance can be not only the quality of the end result, but how easy it is to get there. For me, even though I can get great sound from the other mics, the MKH50 takes hardly any work, which speeds up the entire workflow. The time saving/peace of mind makes it worth the cost in my mind.

1. The boom intro was hilarious 2. Your videos are so high resolution that 1080p looks pixel like until i go to 2k or 4k omg xD

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

Haha thank you! I've been trying to level up the quality bit by bit over time.

Great review & insights Tom. For me, the biggest takeaway was the positioning of the mic and the need to focus on treating the environment. Question: I am setting up our home office which will be used for meetings, live online training, and indoor video recording. We have settled on the following -Audient EVO 4 USB Audio Interface -Samson C02 microphones (or Behringer C-2) -Sony ZV-E10 camera We already had Samson Q2U microphones and Behringer U-PHORIA UMC204HD for podcasting and video recording. We do live near an airport and have a dog and kids who love playing outside. Would you have any concerns/advice on how to improve on this?

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

Mic position and sound treatment really are the most important things. Not always the most exciting, but absolutely critical (I say this knowing that I need to work on it too). As far as your home setup goes, I think it's definitely a good idea to treat the room as best as possible and then just do the best you can. Obviously you can't control plane traffic, and I don't think anyone would be upset if they heard a happy kid playing with a dog in the background once in a while. Our washing machine plays a 30 second jingle whenever its done, and I swear it makes a cameo in half of my videos/podcasts and no one has ever complained 🤷🏻‍♂️

Hi Tom - what a superbly crafted video! The timing on this is impeccable too, I've been looking into different microphone options for my studio to solve similar issues (reverb) to what you describe. (My studio is already sound treated). One question: was there a specific reason that Sennheiser recommended the MKH 50 to you versus its more recent replacement which is the MKH 8050? I'm unsure on which one to buy now the MKH 50 like you have, which sounds great for your voice and in your set-up, or the MKH 8050. I like the sound of the Oktava MK-012 too btw.

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

I think the reason was because I specifically asked about the 50. Talking to Allen though he did say that a lot of productions are moving to the 8000 series because it's so modular (although he did say they don't have quite the reach of the 50, which is what I wanted the most). Thanks for the kind words!

@CraftedBricks

2 жыл бұрын

@@tombuck Thanks for replying Tom and answering my question, much appreciated!

Interesting breakdown! The Rode gets kinda boomy and muddy which sounds "louder" and thus might make someone think it sounds better, but for that space I definitely think the MKH-50 sounds better for your voice.

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

I love the MKH50! It was actually a comment on your channel a few months ago that led me to it. Someone recommended it on one video 👍

I bought a used AKG Blueline with the hypercardioid capsule via Reverb. It’s not as good as the MKH50, but I just wanted something that performs and is durable - this mic does not disappoint.

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

AKG makes some absolutely awesome mics. I've only used a few over the years but I thought they were all great.

You got me excited about the MKH 50 but then I saw the price 😱

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

It's not cheap. I'm SUPER grateful that Sennheiser sent me this one, but after they initially just let me borrow it and I expected to return it, I did plan on buying one for myself (I just say that because even though I didn't have to pay for this one, I absolutely would have). If you'll use it a lot, I think it's definitely worth it. I love microphones in general, but since I've had this one, I've had zero interest in any other shotgun mic. It solves so many problems and sounds so good that I just have no need for anything else. With this one, anytime something doesn't sound good I know it's my fault and not the mic. 😁

Hey, your videos are always very good and interesting. Can you make a video explaining your sennheiser mkh50 presets on the rodecaster? Thanks 🙏

@tombuck

Ай бұрын

Thank you! When using the MKH50 with the Rodecaster, I usually just stick with the generic condenser preset and it sounds great. Nothing too crazy.

0:19 Ugggghhhh!! Even this guy has dad jokes! 😆

Interesting artifact in "How they position it" 🌹

The RØDE NTG3 (XLR) is very good with strong bottom end. It is generally agreed that shotguns are sub optimal inside, so I would either use the RØDE NT5 or the new RØDE PodMic USB, which has both XLR And USB-C. The latter can also be configured with Noise Gate, Big Bottom and Aural Exciter. Lot cheaper than the MKH 50.

Howdy, I am a location recordist and Boom operator in Australia and I just wanted correct a few things, the vents on the side is what is known as the interference tube, contrary to what you might thing but the longer that tube the more directional the microphone. It a bit of a thing of the past but if you look at the sennhiser 816 is a microphone which is quite long and used for very targeted sound capture. The draw back is how it colours the sound and in some spaces can sound very unnatural. This kink of Mic wouldn't be used a much in narrative work but in docos it can be a helpful tool. And the other thing that I wanted to clarify is the switch on the microphone. It's called a high pass or a low cut filter. It is mostly used to help remove Boom handling noise on set. The proximity effect that you mention has a greater cut of the low end and as far as I understand only appears on the Schoeps CMIT5U and the super version. Also the proximity effect is mostly to help reduce the intense low end that comes from booming underneath the actors. As the low end sound that come from the vocal box is closer to the Mic when booming from underneath. Anyway awesome video lots of great points! Especially about acoustics.

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info! I remember I once did a studio tour at Universal where we got to act out a scene on a sitcom set. They had incredibly long shotgun mics mounted high overhead on the grid (I swear the mics looked almost a meter long 😁) and they picked up every work perfectly, even when spoken by amateurs at a low level. It was amazing.

@notchilli

2 жыл бұрын

@@tombuck yep that would have been the choice especially in a studio environment. Not the best sounding mics but it picked up the human voice pretty well at a distance. I have heard of stories of doco soundies getting talent conversation from one boat to another with a mic like that. But the reality of that mic and why it isn't in circulation these days is that where most mics perform best is at a distance that you have in your video. And never at a distance. I teach sound recording from time to time and one of my big lessons is that no matter what mic I use the technique is similar. Get the mic about half an arm's length from the source. And certain mic will perform better and worse in certain environments. And depending on the quality of the mic. With the only exception is music recording where often you get right up to the mic or you would be using a dynamic mic which has very low sensitivity.

I have the Sennheiser ME 66. I used it to do an interview once and while I was setting things up and doing a mic check I heard the man’s stomach growl through the headphones. The microphone was about 10 feet away!

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

Haha wow! That's quite the mic test!

OMG 😳 LOVE IT BUT $ 2,449 AUD 🥺

Great video, Tom! Would a shotgun mic work okay being placed on the table on, say, a table tripod? Sounds wise that is. Available room on the table is another thing 😀

Not sure if anyone has thrown in the Sennheiser ME64 + K6 power module combo- but the 64 and it’s longer brother the ME66 are excellent mics which can be picked up used for only a couple hundred dollars. The 64 is a bit better for indoors like the MKH50 (and similar size) and the 66 is a little broader pickup pattern so you hear more reverb indoors so it’s better outdoors.

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

This is awesome, thanks for sharing the recommendation!

I love my Rode mics. Had one of the Videomic NTG battery die on me in the middle of a gig. Couldn’t revive it. Rode replaced it happily. But I bought the Rose NTG3 so I’d never have to deal with an internal battery bricking my microphone.

Tom Buck? More like Tom "Oh Fuck!" You keep spitting straight information with a healthy amount of humor and anecdotal insight. I love it!

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

🤭😂

Sennheiser mics are some of the best mics for shotgun mics

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

They're terrific!

I think that the ribs and opening on the side of the shotgun microphones are not to pick up sound, but rather quite the opposite. The slots on the interference tube are to cancel unwanted sound coming from the sides :).

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

I believe it varies from model to model and design by design, but I wanted to share a general POV that explains why not all "long" mics are created equal.

@JoATTech

2 жыл бұрын

@@tombuck In most real shotgun mics the purpose is the only one. To cancel sound coming from the side. Not sure about small rode you used for comparison here, but it does not seem as real shotgun. Anyway as redemption you should do review of Shure vp89 ;)

Yep, that MKH 50 sounds incredible

@tombuck

Жыл бұрын

I love it more every time I use it. 🙌

Amazing how well the Rode is doing

@tombuck

2 ай бұрын

Yeah! I was pleasantly surprised!

Ok yeah that intro got me.

how would you compare it to a mkh 70? I've seen some tests online and it sounded really good but I can't test both and compare. On paper to me the appealing things are side rejection and lower self noise (whopping 5dbA) compared to the mkh 50, but can't attest for sound quality tho. Have you any thoughts? thank you so much.

I've a very basic question; You mentioned the Rode Mic plugs directly into the camera, what other equipment do I need to record audio using the MKH 50?

Congrats on the MKH 50. I bought mine in May 2016, it is the first and only xlr shotgun mic I have purchased (the other being battery powered 3.5mm TRS video mic pro that fits on the hotshoe of cameras). This was after doing my own research on shotguns suitable for indoors, and even today when I set it up correctly I am surprised by the audio quality. Especially when doing side by sides and realizing how little noise the MKH 50 makes, especially compared to the video mic pro even at similar distances to the subject. When purchased, I was in a good room for it but in my current case, a rented apartment in Japan with no sound treatment, near trains going past every 5 minutes, I tend to use the in face dynamic mic approach as it isolates the voice much more. But there is always a sense of magic taking the Sennheiser out. Just sadly currently little windows of opportunity to use it (basically I have to wait till 2am for trains to stop but at that point people are sleeping so I shouldn't make noise anyway...) Have taken it outdoors to do environmental sounds, captured all sorts including lightning storms sounds etc too. Due to its "action movie" punch style sound, so fun.

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you're still liking the mic, even if you don't get to use it as much anymore. "Magic" is definitely the right word. 👍

Hey! I'm just about to pull the trigger on the zoom h1n with the Rode Videomic Go II.. You think this is a good combo for filmmaking? I'm on a budget so :D

the reason there are holes in the side of the microphone is actually why they can erease side sounds and be hipercardioids. they balance the unwanted sound reverb from left and right with those holes (this is the short un-nerdy version of how it works, just so you know. without those holes it wouldn't probably be a shotgun mic... the mkh 50 is an emprovement of that tech, this is why it's unbelievably good. but it's what we could call an anomaly in microphone and audio engineering. sorry for my english, hope i've been clear)

Hey Tom, thank you for sharing the video. Your room setup looks great! Could you let me know the dimensions of your room? I'm looking for inspiration for my own space and yours seems to have a bit more room than mine. Also, how much space do you have between your desk and the wall in front of you? Thanks!

Done it again buck. All of the mics where really impressive. Unless you are using these mics in a professional setting for monetary gain, I think even the cheapest option is extremely viable. What is the best way to sound proof your room?? My room is small, so I was just thinking to get some acoustic panels/soundproofing foam for a few of the bare walls... what would you recommend?

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

Sound treatment is definitely the place to start! If you've got bare floors, adding a rug can really help. Beyond that, a lot of people have great luck with sound blankets. They're super affordable and really versatile. I don't use them though because my space is small and they get in the way/block light. I have a few acoustic panels that I got from acoustimac.com and I really like them. They're fairly affordable and yo ucan get custom sizes/colors which is awesome.

thank You, Tom :)

@tombuck

2 жыл бұрын

You’re welcome!

I like your studio! Any information regarding the brand / paint color of the walls? :) Thanks in advance.

@tombuck

Жыл бұрын

It's Behr paint from Home Depot. I think the color is called "Living Stream" and it's a flat paint. 👍