I'm a retired Unix/Linux System Administrator and still keep in touch with many current admins. For years CentOS was being used for development and testing before deploying code to production RHEL servers. With the change by Red Hat this is no longer an option. Yes there is a "free" RHEL license for developer use, but most of the installations wouldn't qualify for that license, especially for use as test servers. So of the alternatives, which is actually being deployed? Everyone I know has selected Rocky Linux for a number of reasons including that it is named for one of the founders of CentOS and is the project of the other founder. Thisisnt' to say AlmaLinux isn't a good choice, just not the one being selected by the people I know. Oh while I AM a Fedora user at the desktop, it is not a viable replacement for the CentOS use cases I mentioned.

Despite being a Slackware user, I have a certain fondness for Red Hat, both the company and the OS. I used it back before there was a RHEL/CentOS/Fedora, back in the days of Windows 98. The computer I had back then came with a crappy soft-modem and Red Hat was the only Linux distribution that had drivers for it. Getting on the internet back then was an altogether different experience, but doing so with this shiny new toy of Linux cemented its place in my heart.

@MatheusFerreira-mu6lu

11 ай бұрын

How do you feel about RedHat now?

@anon_y_mousse

11 ай бұрын

@@MatheusFerreira-mu6lu Pretty much the same. But then I understand the licensing issues and their reasoning behind their decisions.

AlmaLinux really is the best. Its not because of the legal structure of the community, but also how helpful the community is. (Its also the fastest to release when RHEL makes their releases)

You the only one that made the CentOS and CentOS stream difference understandable. Thank You!!

I know this is off topic, but nobody seems to talk about SUSE Linux Enterprise. The openSUSE Leap distribution is based off of (and 100% binary identical to) SUSE Linux Enterprise Server.

there is also miracle linux, a japanese distro successor to asianux also based on rhel 8.0

You help connect my thoughts, a good teacher

Aside from support, one of the big draws of RHEL is that they have the paid staff to performance tune it for common workstation and server hardware. It's not of major concern to most small server needs, but I am very curious how many RHEL performance optimizations make it into the the clones, or even upstream. Especially if somebody's hobby program requires all of the performance it can get. I haven't seen a huge gain in every category vs some other community distros like Deb11, but RHEL does seem to edge them out in most categories while having major speed gains in a handful of tasks.(eg AES cryptography.)

This video was 1 hour too late for me. But somehow I left my search tab open anyway, came back 2 hours later, the tab reloaded itself and I saw this video. Great breakdown, my Fedora install has been so buggy I was looking for a more stable alternative.

@korakys

Жыл бұрын

Well it's two days later and I've finally got some semblance of a recovery of my system (even recovered this tab, lol). I really prefer the fedora/red hat way of doing things but I like KDE even more and it just seems like I can't have both so I've had to go with Kubuntu instead.

no joke , that was what i was searching for this week , rh stack with fedora,rocky,alma and CoreOS , openshift (okd) , openstack and ansible on the other hand ununtu with maas , juju microk8s and ubuntu openstack or just debian docker and portainer still trying things out...

Been deploying two almalinux server one for testing, another one for production. Being non profit organization is what I prefer for

Also to remember Gregory Kurtzer was the original creator of CentOS and now rocky Linux. So if CentOS is anything to go by Rocky Linux in the long run should be awesome. Also sometimes it's not always about the faster updates when it comes to servers it's about stability.

@robbylock1741

Жыл бұрын

Gregory named Rocky Linux in memory of Rocky McGaugh, the other original project founder.

@chlorophyllphile

Жыл бұрын

I would be wary to make myself dependent on a product of a for profit company again. That is what caused this debacle in the first place. It's a shame this incident split the community.

Just a perspective. I was glad to see an ecosystem form downstream of RHEL. In fact I like that CentOS Stream is upstream of RHEL now. It will have to be seen with version 10 but I like the idea of RHEL being downstream of CentOS Stream better than Fedora. I love Fedora but it is the bleeding edge and like the idea of CentOS stream being directly downstream from that and then hardened there and making it's way into RHEL... and let the clones downstream from that follow. We'll have to see how this works in practice of course.

i installed RHEL 9 with Developer account but the intel integrated graphics is not found in repo or epel and gnome use llvmpipe that so slow so.. now i use RHEL 8 and it have that driver, this feature will be on Rocky and alma as well

If I was to go that route, I would go with full blown RHEL. Red Hat offers free instances for home use which is amazing!

@JohnSmith-yr6je

Жыл бұрын

Which version of red hat should I download? X86?

Not an expert, but I think it’s more than just messaging / comms screw up. The fact that CentOS is now upstream essentially means that it’s not up to CentOS to ensure compatibility. Beyond compatibility, it’s now directly downstream from a non-enterprise distro, so it may now be as stable as a regular community distro-not what Debian-averse people are willing to run on their servers. And they did this by “embrace, extend, and extinguish,” so it was reasonably perceived as a disingenuous tactic.

thank you, very cool

You have my subs, RHEL make sense if you a big company running multiple tons of servers in datacenter or even middle size company having own infrastructure.

You and I know that Rocky Linux is named after one of the CentOS founders, but to the average person, the word "rocky" either means "unstable" or "punch-drunk boxer". Not great if you have to specify the OS name in a hosting bid! I think AlmaLinux is probably the best RHEL clone to pick - I don't like CentOS Stream because it's a permanent beta for RHEL and therefore less desirable than RHEL or its downstream clones.

@mucholangs

Жыл бұрын

Rocky can also mean rugged, hard.

That beard is becoming epic.

Thank you sir. You deserve a fine Pennsylvania Flatbed Cigar for your efforts. Do you have a public PO Box?

As a Rocky Linux 8.6 user, and a 3D artist that depends on Autodesk Maya, Renderman and some major 3D apps, Those companies don't upgrade the software they do (closed) python version to the lastest. I have issues with the Old GlibC (2.28) that is a nightmare. I miss Arch distros, but I'm just need to know what can I do to use those fancy Distros without breaking the apps with the software updates . . . If yout can install Renderman or Maya with Newer python version, I'm all ears.

@cheebadigga4092

Жыл бұрын

Try Rocky 9 in a VM. If that doesn't work try Alma 9 in a VM. Alma 9 has Python 3.10 and Rocky 9 has Python 3.9 (which is probably updated to 3.10, too, by now).

@digitalpotato4867

Жыл бұрын

@@cheebadigga4092 That's the problem, python 3.10 still too new for my needs

@cheebadigga4092

Жыл бұрын

@@digitalpotato4867 oooh now I understand. I got it the other way around, sorry.

@cheebadigga4092

Жыл бұрын

@@digitalpotato4867 But there's pyenv. You can install any Python version with that and switch the default version as you go.

@digitalpotato4867

Жыл бұрын

@@cheebadigga4092 it's ok, now that you understood, maybe new suggestions can appear . .. maybe

Do these rhel clones make a good desktop OS?

Which version of red hat should I download? X86?

Love ♥️ Red Hat! Proud to be a RedHatter!

I'm curious - what is it that would draw one to the Red Hat-based branches of Linux rather than Debian and its derivatives?

@proctoscopefilms

Жыл бұрын

Using it for work is a big one for people, cause Red Hat is big in business. Some people like it so much they bring it home. People that like GNOME usually use Fedora because you get the stock GNOME experience.

For me, Red Hat derivatives are the only flavors that feel like I would have to pay 1000 dollars to use, like Darwin/MacOS. Feels "premium." A lot of good choices made. Everything is tightly integrated. The security is grade-A for a general-use workstation too. Nice peace of mind there.

@starkfuture1057

Жыл бұрын

For most use cases though, I just use the UBI docker image and install whatever I want in it - like a development environment. Otherwise for daily use Fedora fits the bill just fine.

@proctoscopefilms

11 ай бұрын

​@@starkfuture1057I agree with you. I like that there's an option for those that want to keep a specific version of GNOME for longer than the two years that Fedora supports their releases. I'm considering moving to a RHEL derivative once Fedora 37 goes end-of-life due to the incidental killing of a feature where you could super+scroll while grabbing a window to move it to another workspace. Wanna keep GNOME 43 for longer than F37 allows.

Any advice which linux is best for 32bit computers/laptops and for people who want leave windows and who are not so tech savy? Tried puppy/beaver was painful (sucked),MX sort of OK but updates are suspicious, knoppix works fine frome live disc but after instalation no sound (HDMI). And could you explain/help in human language please...

@bossscast

Жыл бұрын

I think AntiX linux could be useful. Its main target is old computers.

@sauliusjance6300

Жыл бұрын

@@bossscast QL name u got 😎👍 And thanks for advice

The free sub for rhel isn't a hassle...

@jesse7631

Жыл бұрын

I agree; I have it - you need to register once when installing it, then that's it.

Somebody know how to Install i3wm on almalinux 8/9?

rhel for the win.

I'm surprised nobody has really gotten on RedHat's case for pulling a Microsoft on CentOS. Support, Integrate, Obsolete, it's literally Microsoft's internal tagline for handling competition.

im basically completely new to linux here, i used mint for a few months one time and that one my first taste of linux, I loved the freedom from microsoft trackers and forced software and didn't mind moving to other software alternatives but i eventuallygave in and switched back to windows after some shortcomings for my personal use. there was no way to use autodesk software on that distro, im now finding out about other distros and someone told me to look up red had ditros. im confused on what would be good to use as a new user who moslty does your general media consumption but also uses maya for content creation. can anyone tell me whats the most user freindly distro that also supports maya? EDIT: Ive been using Fedora for a few days now and officially uninstalled windows form my laptop. I do want to figure how how to do passthrough with vms tho mostly because i want to play VR games again and i can't do that with my wmr headset (reverb G2)

@Becca_Fuchs

Жыл бұрын

I'm sure you already know about this but a great resource for Fedora as well as Linux in general is Linux Questions (website, given KZreads track record I'm not giving you the website but a quick search on your favorite internet search engine should get you there.

Why is opensuse not included? Thought it was based on red hat.

@martinmatin6275

Жыл бұрын

it uses rpm package manager from red hat but it stops there

AlmaLinux is the best one by far.

CentOS ❤

I was wondering if a company not even related to IT can use things like Linux, OnlyOffice etc fully legally. Somebody maybe has an experience? Recently in one shop I saw Ubuntu on PC so I guess it has to work somehow

@TechHut

Жыл бұрын

There's actually less legal obstacle using open source software than proprietary software. The main thing that gets in the way is corporate preferences.

@wiking793

Жыл бұрын

@@TechHut so for example a small company of two people can without any issues run Mint on its computers, use OnlyOffice to edit spreadsheets and Firefox to browse the web without any need to pay the companies who created them?

May we please do not have best for me but one just good enof for everyone? Pleeeeeese?

been using Nobara OS for my gaming set up myself which is basically Fedora optimised for gaming.

Very rough algorithm to choose a distro: You have Linux experience? 1. No. 1.1. You like Gnome more? Ubuntu 1.2. You like KDE more? Kubuntu 2. Yes. Then you know better.

I don’t really get what they did with CentOS. The entire purpose was to be a rebuilt of RHEL, and they just decided it wasn’t going to be? Now it’s upstream of RHEL. Kinda defeats the entire purpose.

@imlinux

Жыл бұрын

CentOS wasn't surving any purpose for Red Hat anymore. CentOS Stream does. So while Red Hat no longer does a RHEL clone, they're (we're) not stopping others from creating a clone.

"The reports of my death has been greatly exaggerated"

Aged like milk

@PizzaLovingNerd

10 ай бұрын

It actually aged well now that everyone wants to get rid of Red Hat

I thought Zorin was a good Fedora "alternative"

@Thomas.Saunders

Жыл бұрын

Zorin OS is a Ubuntu definitive which makes it part of the Debian family. It's an alternative to Fedora for a Desktop user.

@johntheawsomeful

Жыл бұрын

@@Thomas.Saunders I realized I was thinking of Nobara or however it's spelled. Nabora Naboro whatever it is

RHEL, Oracle Linux, CentOS, and the likes is good but why not just use Fedora Server or Ubuntu Server or Debian Linux or OpenSUSE Linux? I'm not quite sure why anyone would go for anything other than RHEL/CentOS, Oracle Linux, Fedora Linux or Ubuntu Linux considering that Red Hat/Fedora/Oracle and Canonical provide world-class leading technical support which some of these other distributions just do not provide which makes me question why they even exist since what SysAdmin wants to use unsupported software/software with little to no documentation...?

@digitalpotato4867

Жыл бұрын

Because there are official support for Maya or Renderman or many others. Blame Disney and Autodesk for not using the latest Python 3.10

@lopezd-rd7wm

Жыл бұрын

Release cycle is very important factor. Fedora Server is 1 year while RHEL clones are usually 5-10 years.

Using vzlinux and oracle linux here, everything works well

Free is great

Hi, I'm from the enterprise B2B - IT Security . Except Oracle Linux/(ALMA)Ubuntu, all of them are not relevant for the market. And you should not install any other Linuxs distros, becauses they will not be there in 10 years. Fedora has no LTS - that is for the enterprise market important than lot of other argument(stability and LTS ). Do not waste your time.

The table shown in this video isn't the best, like with Rocky Linux, there are some concerning things with answers in the interviews on YT, such as being a public benefit corporation, and there's reasons for that. He's using a public benefit corporation to protect Rocky Linux and for the extra sponsors, that's because they're competitors.

I STILL can't get over how Red Hat gave CentOS 8 LESS SUPPORT THAN 7. That makes me never want to use RHEL-based distros... and combined with the Fedora codecs issue... Yeah, Arch for me.

Can someone actually explain to a dumb guy like me why Rocky Linux is slower? According to this 6:40

Since you can get a free Developer's subscription from Redhat, you might as well just use it.

@robbylock1741

Жыл бұрын

The restrictions on the Developer accounts make it so that it can not be deployed as broadly as CentOS used to be in a business setting! (Retried Unix/Linux System Admin with 20+ years). The standard WAS to use CentOS for a Development server, a Test server and RHEL for production. Developers work on the Dev server, once the code is ready, it is deployed on the Test server and checked by QC and users before ever being deployed on production!!! Using the development license for test servers would be a violation (yeah the license compliance people would be all over that!) so an alternative is needed. MOST of the admins I'm still in contact with have chosen Rocky Linux but that is not to say AlmaLinux is not a good fit too.

@jesse7631

Жыл бұрын

@@robbylock1741 I realize that; my suggestion was not really for those who want to deploy it Enterprise-wide.

Debian.

Oracle Linux is best.

@robbylock1741

Жыл бұрын

You do realize that Oracle Linux is just re branded RHEL? With the Red Hat copywrite parts removed? The binaries are actually signed by Red Hat.

@esra_erimez

Жыл бұрын

@@robbylock1741 Yes, that to be is what makes it so good.

Be Smart = Limux Mint XFCE.

god that UI look ugly no matter what.

@TechHut

Жыл бұрын

These are mostly used for servers. GNOME is really only featured so it's just not a talking head the whole time.

@fabricio4794

Жыл бұрын

@@TechHut dont pay attention from this LTTs Trolls/bots...

How is this even tolerable by linux fans and officianardos linux has always been free ... paying for documentation and support ibget but making you pay to use software that should be free is just not on