Which primer do you think will come out on top?

@Professorvapes

3 жыл бұрын

to be honest none because you need to seal the edges sand the edges and re seal the edges then put 2 or three coats of primer sanded between coats then apply the finish spray cans are pretty useless unless your surface is perfect Super glue on the edges works wonders

@MakerExperiment

3 жыл бұрын

@@Professorvapes if that’s your process, more power to you.

@Steampunkkids

3 жыл бұрын

@@MakerExperiment would the Valspar Primer be safe to use on a child’s dollhouse made out of laser-cut mdf? Do I need to wear a special facemask when using this spray, or is my daily Covid mask acceptable? Does the Valspar smell up the dining room for days if I use the dining room table as my workbench? Also, since this is for a child’s dollhouse, what paint/ spray paint works best with the Valspar? Do I need denatured alcohol (or any other chemicals/ supplies) for some reason? Will it be difficult to apply wallpaper/ scrapbooking paper to the mdf once I’ve used the Valspar? And, once I’ve used the Valspar and white paint, do I need some kind of top coat? Any help is much appreciated. I’ve never done this sort of thing before and don’t know where to start.

@MakerExperiment

3 жыл бұрын

@@Steampunkkids it should be safe to use as long as children aren’t playing with it when it’s wet. I recommend wearing a paint mask when spraying it. It’s still a primer and will smell. I’d recommend spraying it outside. I don’t know if wallpaper will work on it. In theory it should as long as you’re using the proper glue for it but I don’t know how to apply wallpaper. As far as a topcoat, that would be more for protection. If you’re using wallpaper, you probably don’t need it.

@Steampunkkids

3 жыл бұрын

@@MakerExperiment thank you so much! You are my hero!!!

Thank you Trevor, as always you are a great help, Really Appreciate you taking your value time for this :)

@MakerExperiment

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching.

Thank you for taking the time to make this informative video 😊

@MakerExperiment

Жыл бұрын

You’re welcome!

Thanks, this is pretty informative and I for one appreciate your testing methods and explanation of each

@MakerExperiment

3 жыл бұрын

I’m glad you found it helpful.

Thank you so much. You channel is so so under-rated. Amazing value you are adding.

@MakerExperiment

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! I appreciate it!

You have placed a lot of work into this project and I appreciate what you have done, I also appreciate the expense that you have endured to share your experience with us. I will look forward to your future findings on other projects.😁🛫

@MakerExperiment

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Thank you thank you thank you! Best review video on this subject that has been a Bain of my existence! Chris

@MakerExperiment

Жыл бұрын

I’m glad I could help.

I normally prime MDF with a 2-step process using shellac then the 1-2-3 primer, but I'll be giving the Valspar a try as a single step primer. Thanks for putting this video together!

@MakerExperiment

3 жыл бұрын

I used to do something similar but it just cost too much and takes too long.

I am definitely going with the valspar!! Thx for the video! I was a filler primer guy before. The Valspar didn't make me flood the sides. I did the normal spray, sand lightly, and recoat. Turned out great!

@MakerExperiment

Жыл бұрын

I definitely prefer the Valspar the most.

Great testing thanks for your efforts

@MakerExperiment

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

Very well done video, nice a current. You read my mind!!

@MakerExperiment

2 жыл бұрын

Glad I could help!

Ive been through quite a few videos I couldn't bare to watch all the way through because they were piping on about nonsense not to do with the main topic. This video is to the point and relaxed and Ive saved it to watch again.

@MakerExperiment

4 ай бұрын

I’m glad you found it helpful!

Super great information! Definitely know which I am going with moving forward!

@MakerExperiment

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you Ethan! Which one did you pick?

@EthanCarterDesigns

3 жыл бұрын

@@MakerExperiment I'll probably go with the Valspar

@MakerExperiment

3 жыл бұрын

@@EthanCarterDesigns it seems to be a good choice.

Thanks for the amount of depth of the testing. I am thinking of using acrylic paint. So I guess I will experiment.

@MakerExperiment

25 күн бұрын

Learning is all about experimenting.

Great video and very useful info. thanks!

@MakerExperiment

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching.

Thanks for the sacrifice to make this video. Heading to get valspar

@MakerExperiment

2 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful.

Thank you! Much appreciated and really helpful

@MakerExperiment

3 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear it.

I appreciate the work you did on this primer experiment. I wish I had viewed this before I used the Krylon brand. After 4 coats, it still did not cover the laser cut edges. I will be purchasing the Valspar primer sealer to finish the job. Thanks

@MakerExperiment

2 жыл бұрын

Both the Valspar and the Rustoleum filler primer work really well. I’ve been in your shoes before.

I can't find most of those primers in Spain, but, even so , I watched the whole video and I thank you for this testing info.

@MakerExperiment

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching. I hope it helped even though you can’t find some of them.

Great video trevor

@MakerExperiment

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jacob!

Thanks for a great needed video on paint spray. It’s a ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️in my book👍🏻🤠

@MakerExperiment

3 жыл бұрын

I’m glad that you found it helpful!

Thanks for your work. I'd sure be interested to see how they performed on wood!

@MakerExperiment

10 ай бұрын

They perform very similar to how they did in this video.

Thanks for doing this

@MakerExperiment

2 жыл бұрын

You’re welcome.

Great video, thanks. Near the end you mentioned you would possibly use a clear coat. Which do you recommend for finishing painted mdf?

@MakerExperiment

3 жыл бұрын

Not sure yet. That’s on the list of testing.

Many thanks Trevor for this video, it will help me a lot. I thought the rust oleum 2X is the best. I think in our country (Bahrain) I can get the rust oleum company easily.

@MakerExperiment

3 жыл бұрын

I’m glad it was helpful.

Nice video can u do another video using 1/2 mdf from homedepot as thats a more common mdf to get for most ppl and its a less quality, also if u have walmart there's more choices in automotive section for primers mostly from rust. also seen krylon filler primer in paint section

@MakerExperiment

3 жыл бұрын

I most likely won’t do another video but I encourage you to do your own testing.

@missmandee4733

2 жыл бұрын

That was a lot of video for a quarter inch difference!! Whooo! Very helpful video! Thankyou!

I know this was over a year ago and you probably have this comment somewhere, but excuse me if I don't read all 95 to find out. I have to go watch some paint dry. :-) This: You can't expect the edges to get covered with paint unless you specifically spray them. Overspray from spraying the flat surface is only ever going to marginally cover all four sides. I always paint the edges of projects first spraying directly at them and then paint the main flat surface. I held my tongue until you kept comparing how the edges were not covered and then I had to say something. Thank you for doing this test. It was very well done (except for the edges. :-)) P.S. The edges always absorb paint faster and more of it than the flat surface. That is one reason you have to spray directly at the edges first. On some woods, it takes me 2 coats to cover the grain on the edges. (or end grain)

@MakerExperiment

Жыл бұрын

You’re correct. I normally do spray paint my edges. More often than not I have people tell me they only want the face painted and wonder what happens to the edges. That was part of the purpose and I failed to explain that. Sometimes I miss things after filming for a long time.

@randolph50

Жыл бұрын

@@MakerExperiment Hey! Thanks for a reply. I know you understand I was just trying to be helpful. I was also wondering if the irregularities in the paint at the edges of the flat surface was due to residue from the laser cutting. I haven't noticed it so much on my 80 watt CO2 laser with air assist, but I have only been cutting 3 and 5mm ply. No MDF yet but since I am getting a 20W Xtool D1 Pro and also an Ortur 10W Laser Master 3, I want to run some MDF for layered art. Both will have air assist. I guess I will see what MDF does. Even though I know they will cut slower than the 80W, I wanted something easier to set up and use in a smaller space. My OMTech 80W is huge. Thanks again.

Hej Trevor, the Rustoleum bonding primer is primarily for plastics.

@MakerExperiment

2 жыл бұрын

That is it’s intended use but it does work pretty well on MDF.

Shellac based kilz works awesome on MDF

@MakerExperiment

3 жыл бұрын

I didn’t see a shellac based killz in the stores I have near me.

I always use sanding sealer. It works fantastic for the edges - which is the worst part of MDF for soaking up a top coat. I was hoping you were going to test the various primers on the edges.

@MakerExperiment

Жыл бұрын

I’ve done it a lot in other videos but the Valspar bonding primer and the rust-oleum filler primer worked the best for me.

@TheDradge

Жыл бұрын

@@MakerExperiment thanks for the quick reply. I'll go check out your other vids. Keep up the good work!

How much did you spray on the sides? Did you saturate it or did you do a normal spray as you did on the top? Great video!

@MakerExperiment

Жыл бұрын

I did a normal spray. Sometimes you may need to do a second coat but don’t saturate it or you could get uneven globs.

I know its two years late, but Thanks for the video!

@MakerExperiment

Жыл бұрын

You’re welcome!

can you share your laser cut setting and if you engrave them to please ( for MDF wood ) thank you John

@MakerExperiment

Жыл бұрын

The laser cutting settings for 1/4” MDF were about 100% power 8% speed.

thnx for sharing, grt video. i need to paint a cabinet that came with some chipped paint, i tried to spray on top (without sand or primer), and the paint ran all over....then I tried to sand it but is a heinous job to remove the whole top coat! can i just go over it with Valspar (without sanding the whole top layer)? it is a white cabinet, so the same color....if i need to sand it, do i need to sand it all to get to the real mdf? i just cant do it since it is a lot of work and time, i want a quick paint on top to cover the flaws under it....! or any texture oil-based spray? thanks!

@MakerExperiment

Жыл бұрын

You can attempt to just use the bonding primer. I don’t know how well it’ll work. If you do sand it, you should only have to sand it enough to make the surface rough so it can adhere to the material.

@ame4hi304

Жыл бұрын

@@MakerExperiment will try this way, thnx a lot!

Ok say I buy a mdf straight from the store. What grit do I use to sand to add primer & do I sand before or after the primer or both? Do I also sand before 2nd coat of paint? Finally which grit should I use on the FINAL sanding?? Please someone help

@MakerExperiment

2 жыл бұрын

I would start by sanding with 150 or 220. Then I would prime it. Sand after primer with 220. Apply second cost of primer or first coat of paint depending on look. Final sanding I usually do 220. You don’t want it to be too smooth or the next layer won’t adhere to the layer before.

Do you know maybe what paint to use for engraved acryilic? I used water based spray can paint and cracks started to form on engraved part on acrylic board. Do you maybe have suggestions what to use? Thanks

@MakerExperiment

3 жыл бұрын

Most people use acrylic paint to fill engravings.

@basterbeatz

3 жыл бұрын

@@MakerExperiment i will try, thanks.

@lifeofellajai

2 жыл бұрын

Lacquer first then paint then seal!! Just proper drying time for each!!

I’m curious where you buy your 1/4” MDF.

@MakerExperiment

3 жыл бұрын

I buy it at a local lumber supplier called Peterman lumber.

Is the painting process: primer, sanding, then paint? I usually just sand and spray paint but I would love to improve my process.

@MakerExperiment

3 жыл бұрын

I prime, sand, and then paint.

Do you get the same results if you paint on the valspar primer vs spraying it?

@MakerExperiment

Жыл бұрын

I’ve never tried the paint on one but I’d imagine if the formula is similar you’d get similar results.

Where do you find the valspar spray paint? I can't seem to find it anywhere!

@MakerExperiment

Жыл бұрын

I got mine at Lowe’s. I’m not sure if they still carry it.

First things first. I have learned quite a bit from watcing your videos. You have been my go to most anytime I have needed help. But now maybe its my turn to help you. First using rattle cans is always a challenge and they produce challenging results. I understand money is most always a challenge. However buying a professional tool that lasts you many years and creates an excellent result is worth the investment. It's time to switch up to a HVLP turbine unit. I would suggest the Less Expensive Earlex Pro. An excellant price point and a top notch tool. You will be able to lay down a very smooth surface with less sanding. You will be able to do those edges with ease. You will be able to paint inside with almost no overspray. You can produce a fan from about six inches down to 3/4 inch. Spraying this way also drys in minutes and not hours. This will be a game changer in your process and your business. Your expense for materials will be much less than rattle cans and give you the professional finish you are looking to achieve. I encourage you to check this out. Save time and money.

@MakerExperiment

2 жыл бұрын

I have looked into them in the past. I’m all for them, just haven’t been able to swing one yet. Good advice.

I also tried many primers and found best primer on wood is zinsser BIN primer.

@MakerExperiment

2 ай бұрын

That is a good option.

A good comparison! Still trying to find a source for the Rustoleon primer (for a reasonable price) 🤣

@MakerExperiment

3 жыл бұрын

Good primers are just a little bit more.

@olafb.2929

3 жыл бұрын

@@MakerExperiment I meant double or triple the regular price because of very limited availability :(

@MakerExperiment

3 жыл бұрын

@@olafb.2929 oh wow. Here it isn’t much more than it normally is.

@olafb.2929

3 жыл бұрын

@@MakerExperiment I don't check regularly but last time was weird... and I never was in Vegas anyways 😀

@MakerExperiment

3 жыл бұрын

@@olafb.2929 I usually get it from Home Depot or Lowe’s.

Which of the top two is cheaper?

@MakerExperiment

3 жыл бұрын

It seems to depend on your location. I think filler primer is cheaper but not by much.

For the best mirror like surface finish do you recommend the shellac or Valspar?

@MakerExperiment

2 жыл бұрын

You can get it with either. The paint really drives that

@mjl6425

2 жыл бұрын

@@MakerExperiment What kind of paint did you use again?

@mjl6425

2 жыл бұрын

@@MakerExperiment Never mind got it. But what do you think about the Krylon fusion all in one spray paint?

@MakerExperiment

2 жыл бұрын

@@mjl6425 I’m not the biggest fan. I’d go with rustoleum enamel over that if you don’t get a faulty can. I really prefer MTN 94 or Montana gold.

@mjl6425

2 жыл бұрын

@@MakerExperiment So in your experience the paint and primer in one spray paint are not great?

Do you use MDF/HDF a lot? Even when it's not the best product to use for your laser (because it contains a lot of glue)? Or do you think that's just bullshit. What's your opinion about this?

@MakerExperiment

2 жыл бұрын

I use it a lot. As long as you clean your laser regularly, it’s not a big deal. If you don’t maintain it, then you may have issues.

@danielbastiaans2564

2 жыл бұрын

@@MakerExperiment after approximately how many hours of production do you clean the laser? And what's the reason for you to use MDF a lot, besides that it's cheap?

@MakerExperiment

2 жыл бұрын

@@danielbastiaans2564 it’s mostly that it’s cheap and paints well. I clean the laser about once a week for my use which is maybe 8 hours of running.

Do we HAVE to sand? Cut out names are so hard to sand

@MakerExperiment

2 жыл бұрын

You don’t have to but it does help.

I hateeee when hair or any particles get stuck 😫

@davediaz5127

Жыл бұрын

Or dust...I live in an arid climate....too much dust

Pretty sure you're supposed to prime after sealing with shellac.

@MakerExperiment

Жыл бұрын

You don’t have to. That’s one way some people do it. Doesn’t mean that it’s the only way.

@galadrhim1

Жыл бұрын

@@MakerExperiment Nothing is the only way. I'm just saying you'd have gotten a better result - it would move up the order.

@MakerExperiment

Жыл бұрын

I don’t disagree that it may have. The intent of the test was to use one single product to try to minimize cost when making a product but not compromise the finish. Doing shellac plus primer plus paint just adds to the end cost and takes away from your margins.

My bet is Shellac from what I've heard around the block, let's go Brandon!

@MakerExperiment

2 жыл бұрын

Well, that wasn’t the best in my experience but it does work.

@artv4nd3l4y

2 жыл бұрын

@@MakerExperiment Yeah I decided to go with your recommendation, Rustoleum 2 in 1 seems easier to find so I went with that. Great video, there is a ton of information circulating saying to use Shellac and how it's just the best yada yada. What's crazy to me is the number of professionals that have done it 20+ years, but they don't ask these types of questions. It's probably one of these guys that wrote the articles about Shellac, a lot of Woodworking guys were saying to use it. The proof is in the pudding though, the only way you know if something is better than another is simply by testing it.

@MakerExperiment

2 жыл бұрын

@@artv4nd3l4y shellac does a good job if you just want to paint the surface of MDF. If you want to cover the laser cut edge that turns black, shellac won’t do that. You may be able to cover it with shellac and paint, but the lighter the paint, the harder that is. If you use a good primer, it isn’t a big deal.

You should have cleaned off the smoke and residue before priming.

@MakerExperiment

3 жыл бұрын

The whole point of this was to find a primer that could cover it straight off the laser. The smoke and residue as you can see, didn’t affect the priming.

use real professional products and not cheap crap from homedepot and you might end up with some decent results

Wow, you must be rich to waste so much paint by going 12" paste the board on both sides!