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Nah bro kept the 720p monitor and is now getting 37474749 fps💀
@princerai7996
28 күн бұрын
but the processor is not capable to process this fps
@Demntoros
28 күн бұрын
@@princerai7996 idk the processor (and its a Joke)
@BlackEagle352
28 күн бұрын
Idk bro but the 1366p i have still looks good
@yolsclassics6347
28 күн бұрын
37474749 fps on a 60hz monitor 😏
@Monochroma_sleep
28 күн бұрын
Chat should i upgrade my gtx 760
Bro knew in the future cards would cost a kidney so he's been saving for a decade.
@JmKrokY
28 күн бұрын
Fr
@Raikos100
28 күн бұрын
Tbf, inflation considered, $100 10 years ago was basically the same as today 500 ish. So who saved definitely has it. The issue is making 500 from zero today, considering you are still being paid the same as 10 years ago rip
@JmKrokY
28 күн бұрын
@@Raikos100 I don't think the value of money is 5x less than the last decade.
@Jonco1337
28 күн бұрын
@@Raikos100 100 US dollars from 2014 adjusted for inflation are exactly $132.45 now. you would have to go all the way back to 1977 for it to be 500 now
@edgargonzaga5849
28 күн бұрын
I got a 3060, gonna wait to see the RTX 9080 super or the RTX10080ti
I jumped from a gtx 750 to an rtx 4060ti. It feels heavenly, regardless, still need more upgrades though haha.
@melonga7435
3 күн бұрын
I went from a GTX 1650 to a 4090
@GrimLocke_AE
5 сағат бұрын
How good it the 4060ti cuz I see their pretty cheap these days . Like how’s the ray tracing and stuff
I bought a 970 when it came out, and just switched to a 4080 super recently. I didn’t think it was that bad with the 970 but after switching it is a massive difference. Much more than I expected.
I miss the 1080 type insane value cards 😭
@JmKrokY
28 күн бұрын
🤔
@mrdohotocsoka668
28 күн бұрын
@@JmKrokY i love cats and rubiks cubes!
@flappy3635
28 күн бұрын
The rx 580 8gb is a great budget option
@yamo511
28 күн бұрын
1080 still runs literally everything i want to play, to this day
@JmKrokY
28 күн бұрын
@@mrdohotocsoka668 That is very cool!
I mean he's doing it right. As long as you can still play the games in a manner that you are comfortable with there really isn't a need to upgrade.
@TeKett
19 күн бұрын
I bet the 680 still plays league in 144.
@envixty._ms
19 күн бұрын
@@TeKettwho tf cares abt league fps LMAO
@Silverwidows
19 күн бұрын
I'm still running my gtx 1080 with a Ryzen 2600. Really want an upgrade but it's not worth it. 1080 still goes strong with a mix of settings
@someoneinthesky9784
16 күн бұрын
very true! Still using my dell 1366*768 monitor and rx 580 for gaming. My TV is 10 years old as well, that one is 4k tho, couldn't afford this gen 4k yet.
@mepish
16 күн бұрын
Still rocking my GTX 1080. Absolute beast
Imagine the guy with a 4080 playing on a CRT TV 😅😂
That monitor statement is legit though. When I upgraded, it was the piece I forgot about, haha
You clearly didn't get this guy's logic. He won't/didn't try to play cyberpunk or latest AAA titles with his gtx 680. He will play them now with his 4080 and he will buy them cheaper than on launch. This is the way
@Duck_side
28 күн бұрын
Of course, but he's a salesman, it's in his blood to try to brainwash people into buying things they don't need
@thesilentassassin1167
28 күн бұрын
I really like that strategy, don’t upgrade your GPU for really long, you might now be able to play many latest games, but once you upgrade it, you can buy games you haven’t played for much lower price then when they were new and you will have lots of games to play
@JmKrokY
28 күн бұрын
GTX 680*
@derEnzon
28 күн бұрын
EXACTLY! I had my 970 for a long time and i could play many great games, just not the newest ones. I recently upgraded my gpu and "new" games from the last years and they are way cheaper than at the release
@mr0mooz368
28 күн бұрын
@@thesilentassassin1167you might think i'm joking but i have a gts 450 and I'm about to get an rtx 3070 ti
Not to mention that even the 3080 was "just" $699. The big jump in price came with the 4080.
@davidfrazier6308
17 күн бұрын
yeah but the high end card 3090 costed more than a 2080 ti that was 1200 the 3090 ti was over 1500 dollars the prices have been going up since the 20 series don't act like it hasn't. the economy has went up so the prices of everything did to
@JohnMarston-sf1vk
16 күн бұрын
@@davidfrazier6308don't pop their bubble
@jframe4718
16 күн бұрын
@@davidfrazier6308 this actually directly correlated with china vs Taiwan. We made it illegal to sell those cards from the US to china, and Nvidia could probably make them for cheaper if they played nice with the commies.
@user-zoqbyqn
11 күн бұрын
Infaltion
@Saul_Atreides
11 күн бұрын
Have you ever seen one on the shelf for msrp tho?
A good trade off would be buying a 60 series card once every 5 years
@laujack24
Күн бұрын
I say once every 7-8 years probably about right, u can literally play most game in medium setting with out noticing much. its when all game u play dip below 50 fps with huge swing u will need to upgrade ur card. I'm still rocking a 1070ti, most of the game I played still giving me steady 60 fps in 1080p. maybe couple more years I will upgrade my rig again. by then its probably 60 series already
Biggest jump ive ever seen was buddy who went from the play station 2 up to a conputer with a 1070
"Imagine an 80 card from nvidia costing $500, those were crazy times" bro THESE are crazy times 😭😭
@Dubulcle
24 күн бұрын
Not really
@LtDanLostNuts
24 күн бұрын
@@Dubulcle some gpus cost more than my car what do u mean not really 😭
@fade2black001
24 күн бұрын
@@Dubulcle 2k for a GPU is beyond nuts. You must have more money than sense
@Dubulcle
24 күн бұрын
@@fade2black001 Literally no GPU on the market rn is 2k except for literally the most expensive variants of the best in the world rn. I'm just not broke, sorry.
@josephdias5859
24 күн бұрын
An 80 series card was the flagship besides the dual gpu cards aswell
I switched from my GTX 960 to a 4080 too. I like to see a big jump for my spent money instead of a boost here and there
@diode_exe
28 күн бұрын
Exactttly that is the best
@viperpit-lr2rp
28 күн бұрын
Makes sense, i will stick with my 7900x and 4090 combo till one dies, and still have a backup 5900x and 3090ti. Tired of spending so much money.
@gladiatorgamer9502
28 күн бұрын
@@viperpit-lr2rpthen why u buy 4090 to begin with if u sick of spending money?
@nukedgamer9666
28 күн бұрын
@@viperpit-lr2rpwhy wouldnt you stick with the back up one that makes no sense
@viperpit-lr2rp
28 күн бұрын
@@gladiatorgamer9502 obviously you are not too bright. The 4090 was bought last and is why i am waiting awhile for my next. The uplift was well worth it though.
Similar here, went from a GTX 760 to a 3060ti - not using 4k, i can say its been bliss
Bro's monthly GPU budget was 10$, just enough for the 4080
I went from a 480 to a 4080. I kept that old pc alive because its all I have to remember my dad by. He built it for me as a kid and i learned how to fix PCs because of it. I still have it, and it runs to this day.
@YoutubeYoutubehgtyujn
14 күн бұрын
Are you running Windows Vista? 😅
@ursteamfriend
14 күн бұрын
@@KZreadKZreadhgtyujn originally it was XP and a couple years ago I moved it over to windows 7. I understand the security risks so I don't put anything on there id want to lose, and tbh I barely ever start it up anymore. It's more for novelty sake
My current gpu is Geforce GTS 450. It has 1 gb or vram, and even 680 seems like heaven to me. Surprisingly it still holds on, but mostly indie games. The latest big games that I can launch are from about 2015-2017, I've had to beat dark souls 3 at 800x680 resolution and am currently playing dragon age inquisition. I'm not complaining tho, Ive played lots of amazing indie games and I don't think I would've liked this "genre" as much as I do if I had a better pc right away. But at this point it's a bit too much, even indie games started to stutter. I've finally got a job lately, and I'm planning to upgrade to 3060 ti or maybe 4060. I think at this point any upgrade will feel infinitely better than what I currently have. Wish me luck
@vaughankorede521
10 күн бұрын
Enjoy bruv. That'll be one hell of an upgrade.
@adamelghalmi9771
6 күн бұрын
mate what's your CPU??? are you ok man? a gts 450?
@mr.shrimps
5 күн бұрын
Check auctions! I just snagged a pc with 32gb of ram an i7 8700k and a 2080 for 175$ if you look hard enough you can find good deals
@worldbender1436
2 күн бұрын
Wow that's a really good deal bro, good job @@mr.shrimps
@Icureditwithmybrain
2 күн бұрын
you can buy a gtx 680 for $20
Bros buying gpus every 10 years
i jumped to a rx 580 from integrated graphics from intel...those were painful times for me
GTX 680 was such a beast bro i used it for 5 years
@Irferno
27 күн бұрын
Used my 1050ti for nearly 7 years.
@fluzzles
23 күн бұрын
👌
@illyasviel007
15 күн бұрын
@@Irferno i used gtx 1050 ti too...was saving for rtx
Makes sense. I went from a Radeon HD 7950 in 2013 to a Radeon RX 6650XT in 2022. And to be honest, if the fan noise hadn't been bothering me I'd have waited longer.
@kamilazman2943
27 күн бұрын
MONEY WELL SPENT
@TorbjrnViemNess
11 күн бұрын
Same, replaced my HD 7970 with an RX 7900XT last year👌
@piotr004
7 сағат бұрын
Almost the same. In December 2023 I upgraded my PC after 10 years (literally)! From Radeon HD 7850 1GB to Radeon RX 6600 8GB.
Coming from a GTX 960 to an RTX 4070 the performance uplift in 3DMark was around 8x in 1080. My performance uplift was drastic I can only imagine how happy he is with his upgrade!
The real test is seeing if a NASA PC can run SCP:SL at more than 20FPS at low settings.
I jumped from a GTX 550 Ti to a 4070 super.. Rough times.
@djloureiro208
25 күн бұрын
I jumped from a gt 330m (laptop) to a rtx 4070 super
@flamingofan1820
24 күн бұрын
Im going from a GTX 650 to a 4070 super 🤤🤤🤤🤤🤤
@OneTruth95
24 күн бұрын
@@flamingofan1820just save a little more and get the 4080 super
@flamingofan1820
23 күн бұрын
@@OneTruth95 There's an 800 dollar difference 💀
And then there's my friend with his old PC, plug his HDMI into the motherboard instead of his GTX 1080, that thing is just sleeping for all these years
@personalclasslog6972
24 күн бұрын
💀
@myne00
22 күн бұрын
Pretty sure nvidia at some point realised people were dumb like that and enabled the same magic that allows laptop GPUs to switch over without moving the cable. In other words It might have been working this whole time and passing the frames to the onboard like a 6yo handing paintings to their mum to put on the fridge.
@Wobble2007
22 күн бұрын
@@myne00 Nvidia Optimus works with desktop PC's as well, you are correct. GPU passthrough is now a native feature of Windows as of Windows 11. I use it for my main gaming monitor, which is a Sony CRT monitor that uses VGA, so I pass through to my Ryzen iGPU's motherboard VGA output.
@coffin7904
22 күн бұрын
@@Wobble2007 why crt my man?
@Wobble2007
22 күн бұрын
@@coffin7904 Best image quality there is, immaculate motion resolution @ sub 1ms MPRT, sub 1ms input response, incredible blacks levels and shadow detail, incredible greyscale, colour volume that literally looks like a live painting every frame, I have a Sony BVM-OLED reference grade pro monitor, but even that doesn't come close to my Sony CDM-E530 or LaCie Blue IV 22 CRT monitors, Resident Evil 7 and Alan Wake 2 looks incredible on them, if you want to know more, see Digital Foundry's CRT video, which explains just how far ahead CRT still is over the best modern displays.
Naaa bro showed a picture of a film 2012 when los Angeles is a huge garbage a earth shaking 💀💀💀💀💀
Bro has a 4080 with a boof ass Cpu 💀
Me: Asus GTX 560 + i5-2500 to XFX 7900XT + 7800X3D.
I jumped from my CPU's integrated graphics to a 2070
I mean he right, I'm sticking with my 1660 super for 5 more years or so
Bruh like this year the 5000s are prob coming out. Bro held the urge for 10 years and couldn’t wait a few months
I literally just built a PC today jumping from a 1080 to a 7900GRE that I over clocked, the difference in performance is mind boggling!
@romeunleashed2
24 күн бұрын
I upgraded my PC at christmas time. went from an i7 6700k and a 980ti to a i9 13900k and a 7900xtx. The difference is so noticeable.
@justdillon5759
23 күн бұрын
want a update i bought a 7900gre it was on sale slightly cheaper so i grabbed one yet to bother putting it in since im unsure to upgrade to am5 or stick to am4 but i alr have a new case and psu XD
@780HP
23 күн бұрын
@@justdillon5759 I sold my old AM4 pc now I want to buy an AM5 pc around £1k, I picked the 7600x + 6800 (non XT), is this good for 1440p gaming?
@baseexploits9512
23 күн бұрын
Did you get the 20% increase from the OC that hardware unboxed reported? Crazy value out of that card man.
@780HP
23 күн бұрын
@@baseexploits9512 i havent gotten it yet but will try once i will!
Me, making a jump to an RX580 to a 4060: _"Hey it's me!"_
I upgraded my whole computer, recently went from xfx rx580 to 4080 super, i dont plan on upgrading my computer for the next 8-10 years
Me with GT 1030 into 1660 super. It wasn't that big, but for the games I play then it is fine.
@minhiuu4141
27 күн бұрын
Jumping from trash to a quite good 1080p card is huge. Congrats 🎉
@noar2171
27 күн бұрын
@@minhiuu4141 thanks, been enjoying it since.
@juanoliveira4633
21 күн бұрын
I will jump from rx 550 into rx 6600 in december 😁
@minhiuu4141
21 күн бұрын
@@juanoliveira4633 that thing is a 1080 beast for it really cheap price 🥶
Zach plz convince carter to do the thug shake
I FEEL THIS i went from a 1650 to a 3060 because i didnt have a job and was couch surfing now im stable and now loving it
I went from a 750ti to a 3080ti, not as big of a jump but respectable 🤣
@pedroislistening
25 күн бұрын
It is almost as big tho
@toiletware
25 күн бұрын
i have a 750ti too lmfao, i was thinking of buying a 3080ti, u recommend it 100%?
@dontsubtome2369
25 күн бұрын
750ti isn't too bad it runs what I want this is enough for me
@frosty_cop
25 күн бұрын
Im keeping my 1660 super forever unless the 40 series don't cost my whole bank account
@Fdaikk
25 күн бұрын
@@frosty_cop recently bought a 1660ti pc
me went to 4060 from 1650🗿(6700xt,6750xt was not available here..and i ddidnt want used gpu)
@moonTerfixx.
26 күн бұрын
how
That Cyberpunk can even run on a GPU that old is impressive in itself- for both the game and the GPU.
I went from an rx580 to a 3070, i never knew what i was really missing out on
I went from intel hd 530 graphics to a 1080 ti, which is technically a bigger upgrade.
@F1Forlife-hn1tj
28 күн бұрын
lol
Bro I jumped from integrated graphics to RTX 4070ti
im going from a old laptop with no grapics to a 4060ti finally
I went from an integrated graphics card to a rtx 4060. I tell you it was a massive jump in performance, and I am still learning what my new setup is capable of and its limitations.
I went from a gtx 680 to an rx 6700 xt, but I'm still rocking an i7 3770k 😂
@MrYedige
27 күн бұрын
I hope it's overclocked to some extent
@cybersaiko451
27 күн бұрын
@@MrYedige of course. only to 4.2GHz tho but it seems fine for 1080p
Also recently upgraded from my 9yrs old 5820k to 7800X3D.. And my gpu finally released its wings 😂
I kept my pc with a 1050 Ti for around 7-8 years, just recently upgrading to 3060 along with a whole new build and it's definitely a refreshing upgrade
i bought a pc with a 1080 like 8 years ago and recently upgraded to a 4080. the almost decade wait checks out for me.
No joke, I went from a GTX 660 in my 12yo dell XPS to a 4090. I got to give it credit though, that 660 ran Overwatch 2 and Minecraft perfectly fine at 1080p.
@John-ev3pu
23 күн бұрын
using the gear til it dies, this is the way ✊🏿
@Xenoray1
23 күн бұрын
bro you aint serious, good joke
@JGStone
22 күн бұрын
Wouldn't you upgrade everything in the system tho? Cpu can't keep up RAM is probably not sufficient Motherboard is overwhelmed Powersupply can't even turn the starter on that 4090 And case is to small 😅
@seanmatthews6091
22 күн бұрын
@@JGStone no no, I got a whole new computer. Haha my 4090 wouldn’t even be able to fit in that office computer.
@seanmatthews6091
22 күн бұрын
@@Xenoray1 Dead serious. Wanted a baller PC for a long time so last summer I balled out.
intel uhd 620 to 3070ti
i remember i went from a 1050Ti to a 4080 recently and lemme tell ya, it was a MASSIVE improvement that i dont regret
Went from a 1050ti to a 3080, that jump was satisfying
I think I can beat that. R9 270 and a pentium G3258 to a 4070 super and a 7700X. Did get a new monitor also.
@HowManySmall
28 күн бұрын
6850 to 4090 LOL
im thinking about upgrading to a gtx 670 soon, sounds good
Imagine if all of his parts were still from 10 years ago, the bottle neck would br crazy.
That's the thing, people with great rigs still running 1080p. I really noticed it recently as FFXIV released its benchmark for the next expansion and people were sharing their scores on Twitter and Discord.
I went fro core 2 duo to i5 13600k and 4070super 😂
@Comiclover7676
27 күн бұрын
Wow, thats a BIG JUMP
@jedteo1469
27 күн бұрын
Wtf if it was me I will be like wow how am I going to use it 😂😂
@w-xing5250
27 күн бұрын
@@jedteo1469 trust me . I feel the same
@w-xing5250
27 күн бұрын
@@Comiclover7676 thanks
@bronzecat
26 күн бұрын
*a core 2 duo my lord fresh from the stone ages*. bet you felt like you where seeing in 4d with that jump.
I went from intel hd2000 to rx580 2304sp 8gb😂😂 very powerful
Just upgraded from my 970 to a 4080 Super. My mind melted at the difference.
I'm upgrading for a Nivida Quadro K4200 to a RTX 4060 TODAY
Well I jumped from Intel UHD 620 (iGPU) from RTX 4070 💀
Glad to see our boy ZwormZ getting some well deserved recognition!
Honestly tho, my 1060 held out for quite a while, but I must say jumping up to 3070ti feels like a gift from the gods
I thought my jump from a 960 to a 3070 was huge 😂
Meanwhile me here with my I5-7400 and GTX 1060 and a PC that won't even boot properly
@Fonixon9
27 күн бұрын
I went from Qmd redeon hd6570 2gb to Nvidia GeForce GTX 1060 6gb dual fan white version and im very proud of that puchase 👍
@Twxavitje
27 күн бұрын
I went from air to 4060 Ti and i7-13700k
@cineva-wb1pk
27 күн бұрын
@@Fonixon9 Defenetly still a sufficiently good card. I've had a blast enjoying games like Warframe, Overwatch, Just cause 4, Sekiro, etc. Sadly, PC bricked itself and now the only thing that it can open it's the BIOS and the annoying blue screen of death with like 4 different errors involving the system 32 and registry stuff. I already reinstalled the windows and it happened again. Now it doesn't even give me the option to do it, so I'm stuck with a old office laptop that doesn't even have a dedicated GPU
@cineva-wb1pk
27 күн бұрын
@@Twxavitje Wow. Nice upgrade
@Fonixon9
27 күн бұрын
@@cineva-wb1pk it culd be with motherboard bios probably
Integrated graphics to 4070TI super…
i had the 680ti. that card was crazy for the money back in the day. when nvidia actually had a decent priced card for how it performed. it was $635 for the card...
Me too. GTX 680 to an RTX4080 built into an ITX custom water cooled loop too, my first, I didn't even have an AIO on my old PC.
I am about to upgrade from a Intel integrated graphics to a Rx 6600.Very excited for the upgrade😊
@jtenorj
25 күн бұрын
What is your CPU? Just a bit worried about bottlenecking your new card. If you CPU is from the last few generations you should be fine, but if it's older than that the RX 6600 may not hit its full potential.
Bro had the bell of death play 2012 💀
I was so cheap I kept convincing myself I could wait until the next gen. In my head I hated the idea of spending a ton of money on the "latest and greatest" just for it to drop in price when the next best thing came out. Finally I pulled the trigger and went from my 1050 ti mini from the first pc I ever made when I was a freshman in highschool (it was a cute lil baby gpu) to a 4070 super last month. At least I can say it made me REALLY appreciate the 4070...
I upgraded from a GTX 760 to a RTX 3080 last year. When I got in game after the upgrade, the sheer magnificence caused my face skin to melt off as I transcended to a new plane of existence.
It's a bigger flush of dopamine to experience jumps that large so I think that's a good tactic from him. Quite a bit delayed gratification.
@MarioAPN
26 күн бұрын
He was edging.
@fluzzles
23 күн бұрын
@@MarioAPN🤨
Umm... I went from Nvidia 8800 GT (from year 2007-2008) to RX6950XT. Of course whole PC was built new also. :D
Now get 2000 other 4080s and you can train Chat GPT!
dawg i'm going from an r7 250 to a 5090 when that launches
Upgrading every year or two is crazy, but upgrading every decade is also kinda crazy 😅
I went from a integrated i5 2300 to a 4070 triple monitor 1440p 175hz Ryzen 9
@jtenorj
25 күн бұрын
Which Ryzen 9 do you have? Zen 2/3/4? 12/16 Core? X3D?
Bro chose the red pill with this upgrade.
Nah I’m going from the non graphics card to a 4070 soon, that’s the biggest jump in my opinion 😂
I went from a integrated graphics of an Intel i7 4th generation to a 4070 super :')
Gtx 680 to 4080!! Crazyy
As someone who went from a 2060 super to a 4090, I can tell you upgrades that big are mind blowing. I recently went back and played COD on my old rig and I actually got motion sickness.
My physichs teacher upgrades his pc every 10 years, he is gonna spend abt 3-4k on his new pc in 2025. Im not sure what is he rocking rn, but he bought his current pc about 10-11 years ago.
He upgrade gpu after 10 years, im upgrade my gpu after 5 years
Damn that’s a crazy jump
that 980ti in to 1080ti run from nvidia will never be repeated. 980ti was already insane but then they basically doubled it
@adamelghalmi9771
6 күн бұрын
i mean 699 in 2017 is worth something like 1000 now, but that's better than 2k for the highest end card lol
Bro I went from a Dual core Intel g2020 (not released in 2020) cpu with integrated graphics, 8GB DDR3, 512 HDD, made in 2013 and all of this at just $200. TO Ryzen 5950x 16 core, RTX 3090, Samsung 980 Pro 1TB, 64GB DDR4, in 2021. All of which were the best you could buy. Seriously the difference on the first boot made me crazy. I had to wait 5 min. to boot into my PC first and this thing just booted within 5 sec. Blender and some games would not even start, GTA5 I used to play at everything at low at 720p. and this thing didn't even use all the VRAM or Performance even at 4k Max settings.
well, i went from a ryzen 5 2400 g integreted graphics to a rx 7800 xt.
I went from 1070 to 7900 xtx and felt that huge bump even with Ryzen 2700 💀 Can't say that I feel the bottleneck at 4K but on 1440p or 1080p I got the same fps. That's where the bottleneck is 😅😂
@MarioAPN
26 күн бұрын
Now save some for 5700X. Bios update and all good.
@jtenorj
25 күн бұрын
@@MarioAPN 5700X3D. They're just over $200 now.
I remember when I went from a 200$ laptop to a 2000$ pc. my eyes literally hurt because of how much higher the resolution and graphics were.
Just wait for my r9 m360 to a 5090
I went from GTX 1060 to RTX 4060
i can honestly relate to the decade guy, i just also upgraded to i5 13500 from amd 7650k ddr3
zwormz is one of the best Benchmarking KZreadr i've ever found
i just got a pc and your videos helped me set it up thanks
Bought a 970 in ~2014. At that point it the card was pulled down by the rest of the PC. Upgraded the whole PC since, from an i5 4440 to an R7 5800X, 32gb Ram, 1tb SSD M.2, triple monitor, even my Corsair Platinum 850W is already more expensive than the 970. Now the 970 is the one pulling the rest down. Now I plan to buy a 24gb 4090 in August. I can't wait to see how fast it will take to render a scene (the 970 takes 4 hours on a single image).
Im on a 1060 3GB and I have a 7900xtx getting delivered later this week. New monitor as well, don't worry