I still have to drag the seed in, but im still building soil. Im up to an inch of darker soil sticking to the roots. Im on my third year of planting in the middle of a jack pine forest

Needed this video! Been wanting to put a food plot in a pure sand river bottom but have avoided it lol! This spring I will do a test spot to see how it does

@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663

Жыл бұрын

Great Keep us posted on the results

Great video! Definitely helpful for clients and customers here in west central Wisconsin. We deal with extremely sandy soils on the majority of properties we serve.

@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely. Central and Northern Wisconsin is notorious for the sandy ground. The folks that can adapt to different blends and planting strategies will be the most successful.

@carrollsanders9376

Жыл бұрын

@@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663 You can also contact your local Animal shelter and offer them a place to dispose of the used cat litter which is Good benidite clay. You get Fertilizer and a clay that helps amend the soil. Oil dry is the same stuff, and I get oil dry from the John Deere Excavator repear shop, they use water safe Hitachi hydraulic oil in the Excavators, so the oil dry from them is just as safe as Kitty litter. Amending the soil with either will allow brassica In sandy soil.

Great video. I really needed this. The land that I lease here in Texas is pure sand. I have been very hesitant to plant ANYTHING wondering whether it would be a waste of money. Planting rye and getting the seed buried may be exactly what we need. Your content is amazingly helpful. Thanks

@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663

Жыл бұрын

Heat and sand pose a double problem. But building OM would be my number one goal .

Right on for me in MT if I don't cover my seed when planted nothing happens. It dries up, add in 40-50 turkeys every day and it's like a feed lot lol.

I John love your video my question is i would like to plant winter rye in the spring what’s the latest in the spring planting

@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663

Жыл бұрын

Mid June

What about alfalfa? We're just east of Cadillac, MI and have very sandy soil. Rye has been great. Clover is hit or miss depending on sun exposure. Honey hole plots getting some shade late afternoons and the clover does well. Brassica experience has been the same as yours. Just wondered if you ever tried alfalfa and how is does as a cover crop and add to OM. Love the sandy soil insights.

@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663

Жыл бұрын

We are testing a few things. The problem but also a benefit of alfalfa is there are dozens of varieties and we need to get it right. But we have some testing going on.

Excellent video, John! Does moving rye kill it? Or when you mow it before you plant your fall blends or summer blends do you need to spray it too?

@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663

Жыл бұрын

Mowing mid summer will kill it Early spring May not . We usually are light tilling or discing to incorporate it into the soil:

Great video. Question John - When you mow Rye in June what is your next step up to August fall planting?

@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663

Жыл бұрын

When we mow rye , it’s usually accompanied with red clover. That will be lightly rolled in for the brassica planting. If I’m in sandy soil and it’s going to be rye /grains again. I would just roll it at the dough stage and let it sit for a month or two before August planting

Great video. Im dealing with extremely sandy soil on a couple of 1st time plots, basically pine stands that have been cleared for planting, that I am trying to establish. Using buckwheat, crimson clover to hopefully build better soil,( PH 4.72) Im in South Carolina though so I think we get significantly more rain/moisture through late spring, summer, fall. What's your take on using buckwheat in this instance. Planted early, hoping to get a couple stands by fall just to get SOMETHING in the ground growing, and then plant fall plot into it, crimp, etc, etc. Thoughts?

@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663

Жыл бұрын

Buckwheat will help , but our soil builder is much better at building OM faster. If you choose to stay with buckwheat, maybe add rye to it as well.

What would you recommend in Florida. It’s difficult at best to couple the sand with the heat. My best luck is more shade than sun. I’ve got one long strip I call the Sahara. That one is my biggest problem. I’ve been working on it for 4 years now and finally got some wheat and rye to start courtesy of 2 hurricanes this past fall but we are now in a drought. Waiting on the rainy season to start but I’m frustrated with what to try this summer. Thanks

@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663

Жыл бұрын

Just left there. I did some looking around at plot possibilities. Get soil / OM building going in the late winter early spring. The hot dry summers can pose a problem, so some of the sorghums would work well for that. Fall I would look at red or crimson and rye/ oats possibly a little wheat. Beautiful state for sure.

What about heavy, clay soils? Dries out supper fast…

I bought some land and I will be planting my first food plot. The soil is very sandy. When you say light tilling or discing, do you broad cast the seed and then disc it in? Or do you disc, then broadcast the seed and pack it down?

@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663

Жыл бұрын

Broadcast Then lightly disc or drag to just cover the big seed. Small seed like clovers can be just packed in with a lawn roller

@juiceiv

Жыл бұрын

If you disc the seed in, should you then roll/cultipack or does that compact it too much?

Have you found that deer in nutrient deficient areas have smaller racks overall?

@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663

11 ай бұрын

I believe there is definitely a correlation

If you start with a brand new plot and decide to do spring planted rye, do we need to mow that a few times? And then we plant more grains or your soil builder blend in the fall? I guess I’m asking what to do with the rye if you plant in spring?

@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663

Жыл бұрын

It will depend on how fast an tall it gets. Just keep it from growing to seed. Spring planted rye seems to grow shorter and slower from what I’ve seen up here.

@jeffpepin5930

Жыл бұрын

@@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663 and if I want to add the soil builder blend towards fall, do I have to do any with that existing rye first? I’m just worried I don’t have enough deer browse pressure to keep the eye down

@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663

Жыл бұрын

@@jeffpepin5930 not much food for deer in soil builder. Fall forage sandy soil may be a better fall option for attracting deer. If you have to , mow the spring rye at 1 foot tall.

I am surprised not more mention the process of covering a new plot or bad soil with an even light coat of Hay,...NOT straw. Some of my best plots are years ahead of the others because we covered them and let the hay rot down. makes a great armour for the soil. key is even coverage and no clumps. I use about 12 bales to an acre.

@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663

Жыл бұрын

IMO Not really the best way to go. Lots of potential weed and grass seed in the bales.

@patrealscent

Жыл бұрын

@@northwoodswhitetailsfoodpl2663 oh for sure you have to consider that and deal with that down the road either with clethodim or 24db, but its a small price to pay for the organic matter and soil coverage you gain quick.we always have to deal with the weeds and grass anyhow the first initial establishment of the plot. It has worked wonders for us.

Disagree some of my best plots in some of the worst sand you can imagine is brassicas. When I say bad sand I mean we have to spray off prickly pears. I go to Farm and Home and get their bulk brassicas and plant in august. Worked great the last two years with minimal rain. Behind rye brassicas would be my next recommendation.

@travissmith-wz5nc

Жыл бұрын

U got clay under the sand?

@jackhuffman2268

Жыл бұрын

Curious as to the area of the country you live in. I'm in North Texas and hunt in pure sand. Would be curious about the brassicas.

@travissmith-wz5nc

Жыл бұрын

@Jack Huffman I am in north east Michigan. By mid June my ground get hard as rock. Almost late Sept before softens up again. Typically snow or hard frosts by mid November

@jackhuffman2268

Жыл бұрын

@@travissmith-wz5nc thanks for the reply. Unfortunately we only get about 32-36 inches of rain per year and I'm just not sure that the brassicas would fare well with that limited amount of water in the sand and intense 100+ degree heat that we frequently get here.

@travissmith-wz5nc

Жыл бұрын

@Jack Huffman well I am not the one that plants brassica. I mostly do rye and red clover. Really only thing for tonnage.