"Who wants to ride around with a heavy chain around your neck...." Let me open this Rap video in my other tab.

@Shifter_Cycling

3 жыл бұрын

You win the Internet for today.

@ktaragorn

3 жыл бұрын

@@Shifter_Cycling I literally watched this yest :P kzread.info/dash/bejne/g6ublKySgqfWgdY.html time to test!

@richardbrannan578

3 жыл бұрын

Mr. T

@Korina42

3 жыл бұрын

Hah! My first thought too.

@kylehagertybanana

2 жыл бұрын

those are the same thing obviously

Regarding your comment at 5:00 about people stealing wheels, when I lived in NYC I had a series of photos about bikes in various stages of “decomposition” due to theft. Some bikes you could create a time lapse of their regression. It would start with the seat, and you could imagine the bike owner telling themselves “well, I can’t bike home without a seat. I’ll go to Modell’s tomorrow and pick up a seat, and then take the bike home.” But then the next day they would arrive and now the bike was missing the seat AND the rear wheel (because the front one was locked with the rest of the bike). And so on

U-lock over top tube. NOOOOOO! A rough twist of the bike and a cheap U-Lock is toast as the top tube gives a lot of leverage. Always lock up the rear wheel to the frame and a post, cable goes around front wheel.

@Shifter_Cycling

3 жыл бұрын

Comments like this make me feel grateful bike theft isn't even worse in my city! Thanks for the tips.

@titaniumismagical8643

3 жыл бұрын

Definitely, you want to put the lock with the key hole facing downward if possible, and put it in a position where you make someone with an angle grinder have to bend down awkwardly to cut it.

@ARandomBoat

3 жыл бұрын

@@Shifter_Cycling also those foldable locks are notoriously bad. They're super easy to pick, and can be snapped open like a can of tomato soup. Same with cable locks, they might be really convenient, but they're also really convenient for thieves, who can cut them open like scissors cutting paper.

@langhamp8912

2 жыл бұрын

Many bike racks can be quickly and quietly cut with a sawz, and the aluminum bike racks take two seconds to do two cuts, so a top tube lock means the bike can be ridden away with the lock still locked. My recommendation is to use a chain through the rear wheel only, as tight as possible off the ground. A chain going around a frame and a wheel is vulnerable to an angle grinder as the chain can be placed firmly against the frame. That's really hard to do with a chain only through the wheel. Basically, most bikes are stolen when it rains. Streets empty, noise doesn't carry far at all, police won't get out of their cars, and bike patrols will stay under cover. Folding and u-locks are all light security, because both are highly vulnerable to small bolt cutters or hydraulic wedges. Even a Kryptonite 14mm ulock is easily cut within seconds with an angle grinder if you can put a foot on it. And if it's a heavy rain you won't even be able to hear that angle grinder. I personally use a 12mm noose chain, a 7 mm regular chain, and a folding lock, through frame, rear wheel, and frame and rear wheel.

@harvey66616

2 жыл бұрын

@@ARandomBoat _"They're super easy to pick, and can be snapped open like a can of tomato soup"_ -- it would depend on the exact design, but the Abus versions use disc detainer locks, which very few people have the tools, never mind the expertise to pick. I'd say they are the opposite of "super easy to pick". They _are_ vulnerable to an attack at each hinge point; a bolt splitter will be able to eventually pull apart the joint in most cases. But for either picking or breaking, a thief would have to come prepared for that specific type of lock. For now, they are uncommon enough that there's some "security by obscurity", such that a thief looking for a quick score (and aren't they all?) is going to skip past a bike locked with a folding lock and go on to an easier target.

I'm pretty sure for a U-lock, you put the U around your rear wheel AND the seat tube or seat stays. The extra loop is for your front wheel.

@ME-hm7zm

3 жыл бұрын

This; secure frame and rear wheel with priority, and front wheel second.

@GMPax

3 жыл бұрын

That depends on the size of the U-lock. I've got a mini, and it won't fit around frame, tube, and bicycle rack / fencepost / whatever else, all at the same time. Then again, I've got a cheap-assed bike that isn't worth stealing by anyone with tools, so merely deterring _casual_ theft is more than sufficient. :)

@brianwallace1244

3 жыл бұрын

I use a mini u-lock and only secure the rear wheel inside the triangle formed by the seat stays, seat tube, and chain stay to a bike rack. That secures the frame even though the u lock isn’t around the frame because there is no way to take the bike frame with the wheel locked inside unless you slice through the entire wheel(probably the second most expensive thing on the bike and rendering the bike inoperable). You can then use a cable connected to the u-lock to secure the other wheel or a seat. I wouldn’t lock a bike the way he is in the video unless I was only going to be a few minutes but I am sure locking strategies would be a different video.

@florinb4668

3 жыл бұрын

@@brianwallace1244 you are right. All the respect for all the work he is doing but this video is 90% wrong/weak.U-lock is top 1 and then chain(a good one is very heavy for a cyclist)and then the rest

@deice3

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. Same thing for the foldable lock.

When you lock up with a U-Lock you should try and put it through the rear wheel as well as the frame, this will leave much less space for thieves to get leverage or fit a jack inside. Also a good tip is to have 2 types of locks. Even if the 2nd lock isn't as strong as the primary lock, it's a good deterrent if it would require a different tool to pick and/or break open to the other, which the theif might not have. For manual bikes I would reccomend a U-Lock as a primary lock with a folding or armoured cable as a secondary deterrent because it doesn't weigh much. Personally I have an E-bike so I don't mind carrying a heavy long noose chain around in a pannier as it gives me much more flexibility for locking up, especially when couriering to places that might not have a bike stand; a U-Lock can't go round many types of lamposts and railings.

@sambadham1404

2 жыл бұрын

*D lock

I've watched a lot of these videos from others. I have to say that rather than wasting a huge amount of time showing us every model of every manufacturer and giving us a history of bike locking. You did what you promised after a brief and to the point introduction. That puts you head and shoulders above others. Good work.

The most convenient lock for most people is actually a frame lock. They're standard on bikes in the Netherlands, where most of the population commute on a bike. You can still pick up a bike that has a frame lock engaged but you can't ride it and they're hard enough to cut because their location and proximity to the wheel makes them awkward to cut. Combining a frame lock which you use when your bicycle is in your line of sight and any of these locks you mention locking the bike to something solid when you have to leave it somewhere is likely to be highly convenient and keep your bike modestly secure.

@kytkosaurus

2 жыл бұрын

Plus at least some of the frame locks have a slot for a chain/cable attachment that secures the locked wheel bike to a stand or something. That's what I use on my city bike (it's dutch made and it came with the frame lock, I just bought a compatible chain attachment I always keep in my panniers (simple ones that also don't leave the bike)). If I plan to get away from the bike for a longer time, I take additional heavier chain lock from my other, bike (I keep one of it's spare keys on the key in the frame lock of the city bike for convenience).

@EBR846

2 жыл бұрын

In the Netherlands, most people don't have a giant truck or SUV at the ready. Those are common and have only become more common in N. America over the past 10+ years as dealerships and manufacturers push them more, offer fewer models of cars, because the trucks and SUV's...wait for it...make them more money. Right now, where some people might want a few dollars here and there to help fuel up that truck or SUV, might pick up your nice secure frame-locked bike and make some money on it. Even if it's only $100 for a bike that's worth $400.

@lobsterlock

2 жыл бұрын

Have you seen our lock yet? curious what you think- it's sort of a combination between a frame lock and a folding lock. kzread.info/dash/bejne/lJ-m0ct-ipzbZZs.html

@BrianRonald

Жыл бұрын

@@lobsterlock The one that LPL helped you to improve! I'd get one but my bicycle has no bottle cage mount.

From the Netherlands here, I'm using two different styles of locks, on my sportier bikes I use an Abus nylon braid covered chain, but this is a bike I won't leave anywhere for very long, this is just for going in to a shop for a minute. My city bike has a Dutch lock, with a cable/chain attachment. This is definitely by far the best lock for anti theft and convenience. I have used U-locks in the past, but never really jived with them. The cables are convenient, but a good quality little pair of Knipex wire cutter pliers will cut through these in like four or five 'bites'...

In the hood we place the U-lock across rear wheel and frame, and throw a chain around the front wheel, and frame on the pole or bicycle parking …. I can tell this guy lives in a nice area lol

You can just wrap the chain lock over the top tube of your bicycle frame. Its easy and becuase its flexible you can roll it asmuch as you need.

@Kanvereb

3 жыл бұрын

I wrap it around my seat post

@shlembs

3 жыл бұрын

@@Kanvereb same, i actually find it the most portable lock for this reason

@luis0911ven

2 жыл бұрын

Agree I wrap it under my seat and over the top tube just shaped like and L and it gives no trouble. I actually use two of them 😁

I agree that the folding lock is the best compromise for day to day use with a moderately priced bike. The ease of carrying them on the frame is a definite winner,

Hi from Ilkeston, UK. Looking forward to this - I’ve just converted to a Dutch lock on my old classic .

@JonByrne

3 жыл бұрын

I have a Dutch lock on my old Dutch bike and it's brilliant. More security through obscurity, not many bikes here in Manchester have them. Mine has a cable attachment but as the bike weighs about 25kg its not going to be easy to run off carrying it.

@eric106071

2 жыл бұрын

I thought the Dutch lock was no lock at all 👍

I quite like the Dutch bike approach. 1 the bike itself has a built in lock you can engage in seconds. Good enough to prevent it from being ridden away, but not good enough to prevent it from being tossed in a truck. You can use it to run into a store for a minute, or whatever. 2 - a chain that you run through both wheels and a locking location. Good enough for most purposes. You can wrap the heavy chain pretty easily around the front fork and ignore it when riding about. Fewer issues that I've ever had with bike lock mounts provided by manufacturers.

If you can, it’s best to lock up your back wheel along with your frame. The priority goes: frame, back wheel, then front wheel. That’s ordered by value.

@leoedwards2897

2 жыл бұрын

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Personally I love chain locks, I find them very safe and easy to use. Last few years however I've been using such an old bike that nobody would ever steal it so a cable lock is enough 😅

@brucecarter8296

2 жыл бұрын

a dumpy bike with little resale value is the best deterrent. if you know how to work on bikes it can still be a good ride. i never lock mine, just wrap a padlocked curly cable around it and a stationary object and back through itself so it looks locked at a glance in case someone walking might be tempted by an unlocked bike to make their walk go faster . quick and easy, has worked for me so far

I have had my bike stolen once and I was using a U lock with a cable, supposedly secure. Since then I haven't bothered with heavy or inconvinient locks like that, I use a short cable lock that lives wrapped around my top tube. I try to lock my bike up in places where a thief would likely be caught on camera or somewhere that has a constant flow of foot traffic so that someone stealing my bike might be noticed. I also will only leave it in one spot for about an hour. If I need to lock up my bike for longer I will go to a secure storage shed of some kind. I see a lock as simply preventing a passerby from running away with my bike

If you attach a big enough clock to a bike chain around your neck, us 80's kids will get the reference. Just sayin'

When I was doing research at a university library, I simply left a heavy chain and lock there. It beat carrying it back and forth each day. Best of all was when I worked at a hospital. It provided a fenced in area with a camera moitoring the entrance. All bikers needed to do was ask for a key.

I use a chain lock because is mor flexible and I can use it in different structures. I use it as belt for transportation and lets me know if I'm gaining weight

@ivandiaz5791

3 жыл бұрын

The chain lock was an absolute necessity for me when I was living in the rural South; very few bike racks around and I often had to find highly creative parking spots that would not have been possible with a u-lock. I've transitioned away now that I thankfully do have better lock-up options everywhere I go. This is definitely a key factor here.

*I love the **Latest.Bike** I use it when going camping. It folds up so easy and isn’t heavy at all. Rides so smooth. I love my bike!*

Wanted to let you know that I’ve learned so much about bikes from your channel. It’s excellent on so many levels. Thank you!

Went for option 5 myself, Dutch frame lock with plug-in chain. Meets the requirements for bike insurance, extremely easy. Can't be accidentally left at home.

There is absolutely nothing better than the dutch style wheel + chain lock when it comes to convenience.

The first rule in Netherland is to have two locks. One locks your bike to something solid, the other locks the wheels to the bike. I use two levels of protection. One level is a 30 year old Schwinn cable lock. It's an old school padlock with a laminated shell. Very tough. The other level is a cheap department store bike in unwantable condition. Nobody wants my bike and it's too much trouble to break the lock. Even I don't want my bike. I''m replacing it with something better, but in an oddball configuration nobody would want to steal. And I'm getting a U-lock to go with the cable lock.

ik at this point this video is a little older compared to your newer ones, but i've been watching some of your older videos and man has your presentation and quality gone up. Love to see. Keep up the damn good work!

U lock and cable in me backpack, I live in Los Angeles so I never forget to lock it. 🤣

I also use the folding lock. It is the most universal - almost as easy to set up and transport like cable lock, lighter than U-lock or chain, gives a similar level of security as average quality chain, it's much more flexible then U-lock and is always at a bike. Not the best on any of these catgories but it's the best on avarage.

Gotta add cafe/frame locks

The best way to lock a bike with a U-lock is to lock the rear wheel through the triangle of the seat tube, the seat stays and the chain stays. This allows the most flexibility. If it is possible you can put the lock through both the seat tube and the rear wheel. The front wheel can be secured by removing it and locking with the U-lock along with the rear wheel. Another option would be to use a cable to secure the front wheel with the U-lock. I use the cable to secure my front wheel so I don't have to deal with removing and replacing the front wheel.

Just a technical video tip_ when discussing a new product and how to use it, use close up shots . This will help your audience see exactly what your doing in better detail .cheers.

I've never had a problem wrapping chain locks around the frame, though I'll say double sided velcro helps a ton in keeping them from rattling. I'm a bit disappointed that there were no alarmed locks used in this video as they're the best deterrent in my opinion.

@JohnVianneyPatron

3 жыл бұрын

My locking system is tiered depending on where I am (how dangerous the place is generally) and how long I'll be away from the bike. Level 1 is a simple cable lock (safe neighbourhood /

@wagonrestorant8032

2 жыл бұрын

I've been using a chain lock the same way for over 3 years now. Though I've recently revealed that it managed to erase a little paint off my bike somehow XD

@DarkDutch007

2 жыл бұрын

Does an alarmed lock really be the best deterrent? from personal experience when the same car/ scooter/ moped with an alarm goes off for the umpteenth time in a week, or god forbid on a daily occurence, people start ignoring it.

My chain is easy to transport - it just sits in the side pocket of one of the rear panniers. One of the great things about being a utility cycle user rather than a "cyclist" is that my old bike isn't worth much (yanked from a skip!) and has lots of carrying capacity.

Thank you for this video and the spreadsheet!

Thanks for your video! Perhaps it's overkill (it's Toronto afterall), but I use all of the locks you'd mentioned except for the folding one: 3 U-locks (one of which secures front wheel to frame) used with 2 looping cables; 1 cable lock that threads through the saddle, pannier rack and post; and 1 chain lock to reinforce as needed. As per your other video, luckily there's a police registry for bikes in Toronto. That was a good video, too, so ta for that 👍

@Shifter_Cycling

3 жыл бұрын

Three U-locks!? Sorry you need to do this to keep your bike safe, but kudos for putting in the work.

@LMvdB02

2 жыл бұрын

This sounds like hell hajabahaga

I much appreciate your show-and-tell on bicycle locks. You make it very plain how a cyclist would use these locking devices so riders could buy one (or not) with confidence. For me, the best lock is you, the cyclist, that is, your physical presence. I have a chain lock and an electronic horn the beeps loudly if the device's sensor senses my bike is touched or moved. But in addition, I never leave my bike unattended. If I make a cafe stop, I lock it with one or both of my anti-theft accessories, keep my eyes on my city bicycle, and make sure I'm within 5 to 10 seconds of my two-wheeler in case I have to suddenly confront (or chase down) a thief, which is not likely to happen since I’m sitting or standing close by. So, for me I'm always "tethered" to my machine one way or another. If I can't be, I'll take alternate transportation. Some stores will look the other way, if you bring your bike inside. Some of them will openly allow it, especially if you have a nice, clean bike and you are polite/respectful of others. My point is don’t entirely rely on any lock. You wouldn’t leave your dog tied up to a pole outside a restaurant if you couldn't watch your pup the whole time, would you? Sadly, some people would. But I wouldn’t. In certain jurisdictions, there are ordinances regulating such treatment of canines. Maybe such an approach would further reduce bicycle thefts. Looking to the future, here's a crazy thought: maybe one day someone will engineer bicycle wheels that are round when the owner rides the bike and square or octagonal at all other times. There are many variations on this theme. I'm pretty sure thieves would find a way "around" the bumpy wheels 🙂

"Don't ride an expensive bike." Ok but what about e-bikes?

Great vid, thanks. As for transporting chain and cable locks, a bungee on the rear rack will do the job. I have a 3' chain lock, but that sucker weighs a pound per foot, and around here 3' isn't really long enough, so I use a cable lock. It deters opportunistic thieves, the most common kind, and I don't usually leave it that long. Also, every time I lock it, I understand that if a pro *really* wants my bike, he's going to get it, doesn't matter what lock is on it. Fortunately my bike, while awesome, isn't the latest and greatest, so pros won't be interested.

I have mostly used the ulock and cable locks. I do agree part of the issue with locks is where to put them. I used to carry them on me either slung around or in a back pack. I added racks and baskets and keep them lashed to those. Much easier.

Awesome video!! I was actually looking for bike locks today coincidentally :) I really appreciate your advice and your google doc!

@Shifter_Cycling

3 жыл бұрын

Hope it helps!

I live in a country with high crime rates (3rd highest in the world, theft of personal property being most common form of theft)😓. People are regularly mugged on the streets for their phones, I've even had runner friends having to hand over their running shoes in street muggings😳. There are two rules about bike security I'd share. First, spend at least 10% of bike value on security. Second, when it comes to locks use multiple. For QUICK stops to a cafe I use a standard cable lock as it is both the most convenient and easy to use (but with that comes most risk). I often cycle alone so I don't have a buddy to watch my bike when I go into a shop. But my full bike security looks like this: cable lock, D lock and cable, folding lock, rotor locks (f+r), bike alarm and GPS tracking. (10% of bike value). I don't have a chain because I never leave my bike unattended for extended periods of time. I suppose if I were regularly stopping at a specific bike stand I would just chain the stand and leave the chain there for everyday use🤷‍♀️ Buy once, cry once! You can always move your security every time you upgrade your bike.

I wrap my chain around the top and down tube behind the head tube. As the frame opens up it prevents the chain from sliding down.

@Shifter_Cycling

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this. I will try this.

I use an Asus rear wheel lock that is permanently attached to my frame. When I park my bike, I pull a lever, and it blocks the back wheel from moving. For extra security, the model frame lock I have includes a chain that locks into the lever, and a loop on the other end. I can loop that around a bike rack. Then I have another Asus chain lock like the one in the video. I usually use it to lock my front wheel to the rack. Is three locks overkill? Probably. But that's the idea. Make my bike a huge pain in the ass to steal.

@linusmushroomtips776

3 жыл бұрын

Asus ROG Strix Wheel Lock ($699)

@coconut7

3 жыл бұрын

@@linusmushroomtips776 I got that Asus Tuf Gaming lock ($659)

@linusmushroomtips776

3 жыл бұрын

@@coconut7 Damn, you should have saved some money by going with the Asus Prime Wheel Lock ($549) or the Asus Phantom Wheel Lock ($399) as they're indistinguishable except for the lack of Fully Programmable Aura Sync® Compatible ARGB™

@C0deH0wler

2 жыл бұрын

Ignoring that last item, the best thing about the frame-lock/plug-in-chain system is that is is very tidy. You put the noose around the frame, then just wrap the chain around your seat post or frame, and then plug it in. It makes it super easy to unwind, to go around a pole, then plug in. And if you want to, you can just use the frame-lock for short stops at small stores.

@DarkDutch007

2 жыл бұрын

There is no overkill with locks, as long as it looks to take more effort to steal your bike than the one next to yours, it's a win.

Not long ago I got a U-lock with cable at a local bike shop. It mounted to the bike using a molded plastic mount. After a few weeks, the mount had developed a crack and broke and the the lock fell off the bike mid-ride. I was able to return the lock to the bike shop and exchanged it for a folding lock. I have to agree about the convenience of the folding lock. The only thing is that it rattles a bit in its mount while riding but other than that I really like it.

@jasonarthurs3885

3 жыл бұрын

I solved the rattling issue but lining the holder with a thin piece of Ethafoam (the sheet foam usually found in furniture packaging). The material is super easy to cut to size, usually costs nothing.

@cjmd3034

3 жыл бұрын

@@jasonarthurs3885 Nice idea, I’ll see if I can find that or something like it.

I've been using a U-lock with a cable for a while now, and I find that it's really not too bad after you get used to locking and unlocking your bike. I no longer use the little velcro strap, and just sort of weave/loop the cable through the lock. It now takes significantly less time to undo the cable to lock my bike, and then get it done back up after I unlock it. I also appreciate the added versatility of the cable. There have been multiple situations where my U-lock couldn't reach the rack, but the cable could.

@Shifter_Cycling

3 жыл бұрын

Great insight. Thanks for sharing.

a dumpy bike with little resale value is the best deterrent.

I just wrap my chain lock a few times below the saddle. Very convenient.

I'm with you on the folding lock convenience; I have one mounted to my folding bike (Abus Bordo 6100 Combo type) and thus never forget a lock or key whenever I take it somewhere. It is kinda awkward though, and like you said doesn't always easily work with every place one can lock up at. My commuter / daily driver actually has a cable lock - one of the Abus "Tresorflex", so-called "armored" cables. Basically has what amounts to a goose-neck lamp shell around the cables to protect them a bit more. I'm in a low bike theft area so it works. As a parallel for it I have one of those wearable Hiplock chain locks, but I don't always bring it with me since the cable seems to be enough - a habit I need to get back into I think. I have an Abus Granit 540 U-lock as well but I rarely use it since it's a key lock and I'm always mildly paranoid I'll drop my key somewhere.

I totally agree about the folding lock. So convenient, especially on a mixte frame like mine. I also have an integrated lock for my back wheel for darting in and out of shops. I don‘t have a 5000 € bike though.

Love your channel! My favourite setup is using 2 Abus high quality U-locks often with an Abus braided cable. I’ve also attached a bike alarm, which screams if they tamper or even touch the bike or locks in any way. 🤪.

I appreciate the fast simple demos. The problem is I (and most others) would run that U lock and the other options through the back wheel as well as the frame. Getting that lock around as much of the bike as possible insuring that my bike will be the maximum PITA for a thief. A cable or chain are excellent for those tasks. I'd also point out the classic carry for a chain or cable lock is the seat post.

4:12 With that lock on that rack, I'd run it through the front wheel and down tube. I use a U-lock and a couple Ottolocks on my commuter. U-lock goes through the frame (and front wheel if I can reach it), one Ottolock goes around frame and back wheel, and the other goes around the frame and front wheel. Then I use the Ottolocks when I have to go ride to lunch with one securing the frame and back wheel to the rack and the other the front wheel and frame. The Ottolocks are not the most secure locks but are perfect and convenient for a quick stop. They roll up nice and small and can fit in your pocket if needed. Sometimes I try and weave the locks through the pedal, chainring, or rear rack if it allows, just to make it more inconvenient for the thief. But if they really want it, they'll be able to take it. Keep an eye on it when possible. 5:30 Again, I'd wrap the U-lock around the down tube and wheel. 7:15 It's important to try and fill the space of the lock and leave no slack, it just gives them less to work with. If you have a rack, carry it on your rack.

I love love love my folding lock--that's definitely what I use most because I feel it gives me ability to lock up to many more types of places than a small U lock (which I used to use exclusively). I do always lock my wheel and frame to the rack, though. It's easy enough to do 90% of the time and worth it. My friend had **both** of his quick release wheels stolen, which is crazy to me. What in the world would someone do with rear wheel gear cog? Thanks for the great content--keep it up :D

I there! Love your channel and relax and sincere way to communicate! One piece of advice in case you get your bike stolen: have photos of distinctive details of the bike and the serial number. I was living in Calgary. First thing I did there, buy a commuting bike. One month later was stolen from a rack besides Sunnyside station. I recovered the bike 10 hours later thanks to those photos an a "Calgary stolen bike" group in Facebook. Another tip: use social networks for locate your bike!!

I rock two d-locks, small one for one wheel to frame, bigger one where I can usually get through the park, frame and other wheel.

Just paint the chain lock gold and every Hip Hop Guy will wear it around the neck.

All the cable locks sold in my area come with convenient bike attachments and they twist up nicely into them.

By far the most convenient lock I have is an ABUS adaptor chain. It's like that chain lock, but instead of having its own lock, it plugs into an ABUS frame lock. Because of how they designed the plug mechanism, it can be locked without any fumbling with keys. When I'm not using it, I just throw it into my basket

@JonByrne

3 жыл бұрын

That's what I use, different brand but same thing.

@Shifter_Cycling

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing. I haven't tried this yet, but I'm intrigued.

@ME-hm7zm

3 жыл бұрын

Thought those were pretty slick; thought about getting one of those for my next bike.

@justaboi4791

3 жыл бұрын

This is actually the best urban lock. You can change how secure you want it with the chain and if you just want to quickly stop at a shop you're done with locking up in fractions of a second

@extrastuff9463

2 жыл бұрын

That's pretty much what I have (except some version by AXA), if you use the lock a lot keeping it in your basket makes sense. I prefer to keep my panniers empty and wrap it around the saddle stem instead. That way uhh they can't steal my chain when I just use the frame lock but I often park my bicycle at places where I don't strictly need to use it (at home, at my parents, outside a shop entrance with a busy flow of people, etc). The chain gets used if I park in the city or out of sight outdoors for an extended period of time elsewhere. The only real downside to it in my opinion is that it just has one cylinder for both locks, two independent locks for a thief to deal with would be harder. But it can't be beaten for convenience while getting a fairly solid way of locking up the bike.

A few things to mention: U-lock can be put around the rear triangle of the frame through the rear wheel and to the bike park. So it would serve as an extra axle and prevent thief from getting a rear wheel. There are security-focused QR mechanisms that require you to turn your bike upside down or need a key to unlock. Chains are great but keep in mind they will be less sturdy then the Ulock of the same weight. They are thinner or they are heavier then a ulock of the same length even, its just the way links are. I personally run U-lock + folding lock for my front wheel (it used to be my main one but I got tired of worries). I got 2 cuts (scratches actually) from a bolt cutter on a ULock, so it paid off already.

I use a U lock for commuting in conjunction with my bikes 'cafe' inbuilt wheel lock. If you commute to the same place consider locking the lock to the bike rack so you don't have to transport it 😎

@harshbarj

3 жыл бұрын

Not a good idea. This give thieves a chance to practice picking, or even impressioning your lock. They then just wait for you to show up.

@ecopennylife

3 жыл бұрын

@@harshbarj Thanks for the heads up 👍

I live in a big city with lots of bike theft. I use a big integrated chain lock around the down tube, front wheel and whatever immovable object the bike is attached to, then a hand-sized U-lock around rear wheel and seat tube, and finally a cable lock around the saddle and frame that never gets unlocked. Attached at the top of the cable lock are the drawstrings of a cheap headphone bag, which I use for storing the chain, after folding the chain into quarters. The bag rests at the front of a low wire basket attached to the rear rack. Actually it rests on the U lock, which is secured to the basket with a flat bungee cord, making the ride as quiet as possible. When riding I like to keep the triangle of the bike frame accessory-free for aesthetic reasons.

I use a frame lock/chain lock combo. It's quick to use and easy to store, if you have a rear rack with a clamp.

I use a light combination chain lock and wrap it on the top tube of the bike. If the pole is thin like a parking sign pole, then I will only partially unwrap it and secure it on the pole, otherwise unwrap and then rewrap the lock against the immovable object. The combination lock is convenient because you don’t have to even carry keys, lock on the bike, the key absent is great to making riding access, maybe at the expense of security as a cryptographer can easily crack a 4 digit password, xD. But Tom made a point to not ride a very expensive bike. I have a 2nd hand road bike with down tube shifters that maybe more than a decade ago, hopefully that won’t get stolen. Any reply about my setup will be appreciated.

@Shifter_Cycling

3 жыл бұрын

Combination locks do add an element of convenience, as long as you trust your memory 🤣

@ME-hm7zm

3 жыл бұрын

@@Shifter_Cycling Can confirm; took my folding bike (with folding lock) out for the first time in months a little while ago and discovered after doing some shopping the combo on it was not at all what I thought it was... Fortunately I got lucky and something jogged my memory after about 15 minutes of fumbling about.

I have the same kryptonite lock. All good but good lord that rattling noise when on the mount!

Best way to carry a cable lock is to make a neat coil, put the small side through the coil, and then put it through the 2 thin metal bars underneath the seat and click it. No wrapping around the frame, fast and easy, mine doesnt bounce much at all. Very convenient.

Excellent video! Thank you. Thanks as well for the spreadsheet. I use two u locks for long term lockup and I use a folding lock for on the go, quick lock ups. I'm in Toronto, and bike theft is a huge problem here. I stay away from cable locks. Pretty much useless in Toronto.

@Shifter_Cycling

3 жыл бұрын

Two U-locks!? Yikes. Is it a burden to carry them around? Not to self-promote too much, but a proper lock is only one part of combatting bike theft: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZmyKm7qtoMrXaaw.html

@WheelsonaBike

3 жыл бұрын

@@Shifter_Cycling I use two u-locks in the bike room at the condo. I don't carry them with me on the go. Yes, I watched your other video, it is great. I have also created some bike security content and am aware that bike locks are only a part of the equation.

@Unreadybean

3 жыл бұрын

In Toronto I use a thick cable from kryptonite that's worked well

You should be running your lock around your rear tire inside your rear triangle wherever possible. This secures your rear wheel AND your frame at the same time.

@chalocolina3554

3 жыл бұрын

True, but getting a piece of the frame in there helps discourage a dumb thief from trying anyway.

Meant to add that for packing a U-lock, just tossing it in your backpack is just the simplest and best way in spite of the various mounts out there. I put in in with an 8mm chain lock for a wheel (which used to be my primary lock). When I'm loaded up, the chain lock goes on the horizonal tube, and the U-lock goes on a bottom side, either right side up or down depending. But no matter how much I have in there, no matter how much weight it is, there is always enough room left to place the Krypto in there too. When I carry the heavy orange Krypto chain lock (10mm), again in the pack with a cable and a separate pad lock for the secondary. The same place on the bike frame for hauling it back as for the smaller chain, and the cable can either be strapped to the outside of the pack or just put inside of it, depending.

Good product and appears well made. Easy to use.

Not all of us can have a frame bag, but is super convenient, i can store heave chain in bottom chamber, plus i can store a bunch of other items...i also just bought an additional thick 'cut resistant' cable to work with the chain because the chain is not long enough for some instances...

Nice summary. As you say, it's hard to decide what is best, because each lock design has its own pros and cons. I'd like a long heavy-duty chain myself, but it's _heavy_ and hard to carry. U-lock is easier to carry and lighter, but harder to use. My main commuter has an Abus folding lock. Unfortunately, it's not the longest version, so I do still run into problems getting it around the frame, wheel, and rack sometimes. But it's a great all-around option. For what it's worth, a good option if one finds they can't reliably lock up the wheels with their regular lock, is to install locking skewers on the wheels. I've seen them for regular axles and quick-release, and I'm pretty sure they make them for through-axle style skewers too (getting more common because of the higher weights on e-bikes).

Dutch lock/horseshoe lock fixed to the frame, clinches the back wheel, with an optional chain attachment.

If you carry a little triangle frame bag you can take the chain with you really easily.

@ivandiaz5791

3 жыл бұрын

But then your bag will be stolen.

@vincenzodigrande2070

3 жыл бұрын

@@ivandiaz5791 That never happened, I made sure it looks like crap by spraying mud on it all the time, the bag also kinda acts as a front fender.

Love your take on urban cycling and your content. Also, regarding the chain lock around your neck... Flava Flav may want to have a word with you...

I take your point about chain locks being hard to transport because you can't get a good mount. On the flip side, of course, a D-lock is much harder to transport if you *don’t* have a matching mount fixed to your bike. Personally my city bikes have always had a rack on the back, and that's where the chain lock goes. In a pinch, if I need the rack to transport something else and I don't have a bag, I can always hang the lock on the handlebars (or somewhere else, but I find the handlebars practical for a short trip because it’s so easy!) PS: The traditional place for a cable lock is around the saddle post ;-)

@tasomaniac

3 жыл бұрын

If you have a small u-lock it actually fits into back pocket of jeans.

@ME-hm7zm

3 жыл бұрын

I used to ride with one of those "tactical" backpacks and found that an Abus Granit lock hooks through those MOLLE loops really well.

I've only ever used a cable lock, but I live in a smaller town and I don't think bike theft is much of an issue here. Since the cable lock retracts itself, I usually just slide it over the handle bar. With a chain lock, I'd do the same, just twist it once and then slide it on. I ride a BMX though, so the shape of the handle bars keeps it in place. The only thing that might deter me from using a more rigid lock or a shorter lock is that sometimes there are no bike racks, so I have to lock up on something like a tree.

I use a a heavy U-lock as my main and a folding lock as my secondary. U-lock for the back wheel to rack, folding locks front wheel to frame and then rack if possible.

I use the u lock with a cable. It is definitely a pain to carry but ive been locked up beside other bikes that got stolen but mine was left. So ill take the inconvenience of the lock.

IMO, if you're going to be cheap and only buy a cable lock, save your money and just used a piece of rope and tie a knot in it when you leave your bike. Equally effective (i.e. not at all) and cheaper. When I worked at a bike shop it was so frustrating when someone bought a nice $1000+ commuter bike and then cheap out on the lock (we even gave a discount on accessories when you bought a bike).

I have that same Abus chain, but with the combination lock. My experience with the convenience is different from yours. Most of my bikes have a largish seat bag (like a Carradice) or rack trunk and the chain coils up nicely to fit wherever I can squeeze it in. I've tried U locks in the past and never found the perfect place to carry them on my bikes. I have some cheap and light cable locks for my road bikes, but those are just to prevent a casual grab n' dash if I pop into a convenience store or something.

I wound my chain lock around my seat post when not in use. To use I would unwind a length, then run it through the back wheel (and frame rear triangle) the around a post or rack if available. This leaves all of the frame's main triangle for other things like bottle cages, frame bags, etc. This was very convenient, quick and easy.

@DarkDutch007

2 жыл бұрын

You could look for a frame lock, which is attached to the frame and locks the rear wheel between the spokes. Some frame locks has the ability to also plug-in a chain or cable.

I dont have a ulock (yet) but use a cable lock that I wrap around the seatpost to store, and a home made chain lock. Basically a thick chain with a good padlock wrapped in something to not scratch the paint. Then I added 1 deterrant not mentioned and not visible. An alarm. It has a remote like a car alarm and acts the same, somebody so much as bumps the tire it goes off. I remember 1 woman harmlessly locking her own bike turned around and her foot struck my tire, scared the bejebes out of her. With that I dont need to make my bike unstealable, thats impossible, I just need to make it harder to steal than the bike next to it.

One thing to note on the U-lock is that it is MUCH more difficult to mount if you have a step-through frame (i.e. most women's bikes)) Without being able to cleanly mount it on a bicycle, it is very cumbersome to use.

08:17 Most rappers: and i took that personally

Is no one gonna talk about the guy who waves in the back at 1:18? Hahaha otherwise, really informative video!

In here before it premieres and I'm excited to find out what your conclusion is. My money is on chain lock because well that's what I use and it's just as easy as a cable lock (which I used before), but way more secure and at the same time way more versatile than a U-lock so you dont have to look for a special place to attach it.

@Shifter_Cycling

3 жыл бұрын

Love the versatility of a chain lock, but I personally find them difficult to transport sometimes, especially if they are heavy-duty.

@woutervanr

3 жыл бұрын

@@Shifter_Cycling Yeah, I see your point. I have to add that I use one that's intergrated with my dutch backwheel lock so I can just quickly wrap it round my frame/seat post, plug it into the lock and go. It's a 5 second job to wrap it or unwrap it and after that so easy to attach to anything.

@tasomaniac

3 жыл бұрын

Even if they have cover, chain lock damaged my bike a lot. I unfortunately noticed it too late. It happened since I wrapped it around the bike frame.

@ME-hm7zm

3 жыл бұрын

@@Shifter_Cycling I've worn my wife's Kryptonite "Kryptolock" chain lock as a sash before - at 47" in total length it's easy enough.

@extrastuff9463

2 жыл бұрын

@@woutervanr I use the same setup on my ebike as well, the regular lock is considered "good enough" for insurance. And the chain to attach it to something is useful, I do recognise that only having to deal with one cylinder is a bit of a vulnerability. Ideally to get the most out of a chain lock and regular lock you'd want a thief to have to deal with two actual locks (not just one cylinder and both are released). I see the specific model of AXA lock around a lot on similar pricy ebikes, so that might make it interesting enough for certain people to learn how to pick it quickly. But I am already somewhat sloppy at not bothering to use this convenient chain lock, outside the city near the entrance of stores when there are always people present I typically don't bother. If it's at a less busy/visible place for a longer period or the more sketchy areas in the city then I do use it.

I have on my bike 2 x U Lock's, a Loop which is permanently threaded through my quick release seat (I've seen seat's only stolen from pretty ordinary bikes - possibly just by some hooligans with a sense of humour? 😳) and a combination cable lock. 95%+ of the time I just use one U-Lock in area's I feel pretty secure in like around my local small town. If I go to a much bigger town with a not so bike safe reputation then I will make a point of using them all. I realise that if someone REALLY wants my bike and is an experienced or professional thief then nothing I use will stop them, particularly the cable lock and loop. But it will certainly deter them or encourage them to take the other guys bike instead. I have seen regularly in bigger towns either single wheels remaining locked in bike racks or the wheels gone and the rest of the frame remaining. Quick release on a bicycle used regularly about towns or cities are probably more of a security pain in the ass as they are a benefit in other ways. I never considered carrying these locks and cable's as a major inconvenience. They're really a necessity. I wrap the cable lock around the crossbar. The loop is permanently threaded through the seat and wrapped around the seat post. And the 2 U-Locks are locked around the seat post with the heavy locks resting on the carrier behind.

The best place to stash the u-lock is on the rear rack. I usually only have one pannier on the left and my ulock hanging on the right. I keep a bungee cord on there to keep it from bouncing around.

I just wrap my chain lock around the frame once or twice and lock it up then, works pretty well

I find it strange that people in the US don't use frame locks. They are commonplace in Europe and are often delivered with the bike itself. They are attached to the frame and the rear tire, the keys rest in the lock and once you are locking up your bike locking the frame lock takes no longer than pulling out the key from your pocket. And then you can have a secondary lock of your choice. it's a two-level protection system. and if you are just heading in for a short visit in a local shop you only need to lock the fast frame lock instead of fiddling around with alternatives shown in the video. :)

my old school Retrospec Beaumont has a mouse trap style rear rack, so I can throw my chain lock under there, and for me that seems like the best compromise between flexibility and toughness

I've been using the u-lock and cable combination since a wheel was stolen. I still don't know why anyone would steal a wheel, but some thieves do. My best guess is quick release wheels are easy to steal and they just steal whatever is easy and worry about use later (someone once stole my headlight mount after I removed the headlight to protect it from thieves, I'm sure having no idea what the mount was, but it was grabbable.). I wrap the cable around the u-lock and strap the whole thing to the rack over the rear wheel. I rarely use the rear rack for anything else, so that gets the lock and cable out of my way. It takes a long time to lock up, but I haven't had a bike or wheel stolen for long time.

I'm pretty happy with my ulock. I don't bother with a cable and just got locking skewers that only let the wheels be removed when it's upside down.

Hi Tom. I love your channel. I've watched a lot of your videos and you have motivated and helped me choose the bike type that was best for my commuting. Today i'm on the second week on my bike commuting with my Dutch style e-bike, it was the best decision for an office worker like me. Anyway, today i forgot to put my mask on on the part of road with a lot of trees and it was a hell of e sneezing ride lol. I think you should do a video about riding in Spring for the allergic people :D Ps: for the actual topic, until now I've used a wheel lock only (the one attached to the frame), i never leave the bike anywhere, it's inside home or inside the office and the wheel lock is only when i do groceries for a couple of minutes.

@Shifter_Cycling

3 жыл бұрын

So good to hear you’re bike commuting! I hope you love it. Great idea for a future video too. Thanks for watching!

TOM WHERE IS THE NEXT HEAD TO HEAD!!?!?!?!? That was freaking genius!!!!! You have to call Duzer!!!! Do another one, Calgary Vs Boulder! IT IS ON!!!!

Use the U lock on the frame, and then pass the cable through the front wheel, then pass the other cable eye through the other eye to lasso the front wheel. You'll have enough cable left over to make a couple wraps around the post, then lock it in the U lock.

If your lock lacks an extra cable to go around the front wheel, you can detach the front wheel and put it alongside the rear wheel and lock them all up together. it's a little bit of a pain but if you're going to be leaving the bike for an extended period of time totally worth it. if you DO have the cable, it's worth looping it through your saddle as well as your front wheel. saddles arent super valuable compared to a wheel but theyre very easy to detach if someone wanted to and theyre a lot easier for a thief to throw in a bag and get away inconspicuously rather than taking a whole wheel

I never actually had a U-lock before this year. I always thought about the less flexibility aspect and the problems with mounts to the bike aspect. I only just starting upping it with the bike security this year generally due to much greater utility use. What I've found is that while a decent chain or chain lock gives you more ways to go for how you're going to lock the bike up, when you know the bike racks, and know what to expect, the U-lock can be very straightforward and easy to use. Sometimes less trouble actually. I guess when you really think about the nature of a ten millimeter or around 3/8ths inch chain links, compared to a decent size U-lock with a 16mm shackle, the hassle of cutting them with a power grinder could be more for one or the other depending. One has more steel, but the other can bob around. Both are really good though. The thief is forced to use that to break them and draws attention to himself.

Thank you!

Since my rides are mostly commuting I just leave the ulock at work so I'm not lugging around the extra weight. I also got one that is fairly small and compact for easy transport.

I go with kind of a strategy. Our heavy cargo bike will never stay outside over night. We use a ilockit gps lock, that opens and closes motorized and without a physical key. Almost magic. It also has an alert and gps tracking over cellular connection. But it's bolted to the frame. The other lock is a abus lock with alert 120cm in length. Bordo alert. It makes a loud noise on any movements. So both locks rely on each other, since on gets cut open very quick, the other has a chance to alert the surrounding while the bike is to heavy to get carried away. When my wife walks into a store at day time, the bike is usually only secured by the keyless ilockit. This lock is less secure but always on the bike and absolutely effortless to operate. In less crowded places the second lock strengthens the security. 350 Euro try to secure 7000 Euro. And as last resort, the motor carries a gps as long as it is powered. With all that our bike is better secured than an average car. 😆 Actually sad.