The best antenna for HackRF Portapack (and Flipper Zero, Meshtastic, Quansheng, RTLSDR, etc.)

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There is an essential gadget that you will want to get, to get the best antenna performance. But first we need to cover a bit of antenna theory, before we can answer the question of what antenna that is the best one for your HackRF Portapack, or Flipper Zero SubGHZ module, or Meshtastic, Quansheng UV-K5, RTLSDR or other radio devices. This video is covering the bare minimum basics of antenna theory for beginners into the radio hobby.
0:00 Intro
0:27 Antennas are not magic
0:57 Antennas ARE magic
1:50 Resonance and reflected power
3:26 Basic types of antenna
4:55 Calculating resonant antenna lengths
6:55 Don't trust antenna specifications
7:59 NanoVNA is an essential antenna tool for measuring SWR
9:31 Understanding antenna gain and other antenna designs
12:15 Which antenna is the best one for HackRF Portapack?
14:47 Outro

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  • @s1nister688
    @s1nister6882 ай бұрын

    Dude, rename the video title to "Masterclass on RF antennas"! You just taught me so much from this single 15 minute-long video.

  • @sn0ren

    @sn0ren

    2 ай бұрын

    Thanks a lot 🙏

  • @Slartibartfas042

    @Slartibartfas042

    Ай бұрын

    Well, in fact this is just a very good but "short" video scratching the surface of antenna and RF theories. If you are interested in that stuff, you can buy a lot of books dealing with details of one or few antenna types or some aspects of antennas, and there is a whole engineering branch of study, just dealing with antennas and RF. I would recommend books (or even sets of books) like the "ARRL Antenna Book for Radio Communications" or alike (depending on your preferred language). It is a very interesting and fascinating subject, that was much more interesting (and understandable) when radios were just analog devices with coils, capacitors and a few transistors, as you easily and directly could *hear* and *see* the direct resulting differences inbetween different solutions. Computerization of radio receivers and it's complexity did make that whole stuff a lot more "black-box"-like and unfortunately makes it much harder to understand what is going on. So for the start I would recommend you to first go for radio stations on AM bands (long wave, up to short wave radio stations) or FM Radio stations, as there you get direct feedback on how good your antenna is working. Absoluteley not like with digital signal types like DVB, DAB, phones (GSM and later), WiFi and so on, where your usual receiver in best case will have some sort of very rough signal quality indicator. A good accesory for a HackRF also might be the Portapack case/display, that will give you the tool of "waterfall diagrams" showing the signal strength (as opposed to the "signal quality" which only shows some informations about the signal-to-noise ratio).

  • @mohammadjuanda7882
    @mohammadjuanda7882Ай бұрын

    I'm not a telecommunications practitioner, but your explanation is very easy to understand, thank you and i appreciate

  • @LarryKapp1
    @LarryKapp12 ай бұрын

    One of the best antenna tutorials for beginners I have seen. I will be recommending this to aspiring ham radio operators.

  • @sn0ren

    @sn0ren

    2 ай бұрын

    Thanks! 🙏

  • @Androsynth75
    @Androsynth75Ай бұрын

    This might be the best ‘antennas for newbs’ video I’ve run across. You explain a lot very concisely. Nice job.

  • @xxMTxxDEWxx
    @xxMTxxDEWxx2 ай бұрын

    Perfect explanation of the need for the proper antenna. I eventually found this out the hard way through a lot of trial and error and research online. Makes our radio hobby all the more exciting. Very good video. Thank you!

  • @mr.s1961

    @mr.s1961

    2 ай бұрын

    Yes. Many people today don't have the life skills of how to formulate what's in their head into written language and search engine-optimized query. Many don't know what they even want lol

  • @TalkingSasquach
    @TalkingSasquach2 ай бұрын

    Love everything about this video. Keep it up!!!!!

  • @AllFouRoux
    @AllFouRoux2 ай бұрын

    Sn0ren deserves so many more subscribers. The quality of these videos are through the roof and the information is amazing. Also I love my NanoVNA, and I probably only use about 10% of its features.

  • @sn0ren

    @sn0ren

    2 ай бұрын

    Thanks a lot 🙏

  • @Martock1017
    @Martock1017Ай бұрын

    Even if you do have a fair understanding of antenna and transmission line theory, your video still makes interesting viewing. I think you have made a very straightforward description of basic antenna types for anyone new to the subject.

  • @sn0ren

    @sn0ren

    Ай бұрын

    Thanks! 🙏

  • @JoshuaBBull
    @JoshuaBBull2 ай бұрын

    This is a truly excellent video! It explains a lot of theory with RF communication that is often overlooked or assumed but is rarely explicitly taught! Thank you for such an informative video! :)

  • @TouchToDream
    @TouchToDreamАй бұрын

    You are doing a great RF content! I watch every video with my pleasure. Keep it going :)

  • @xtwisted007x
    @xtwisted007xАй бұрын

    Another excellent video! That lesson was not only concise and informative, it was well produced and interesting to boot! Love and appreciate all your content. Looking forward to more! Thanks!!

  • @khaledgamal9575
    @khaledgamal95752 ай бұрын

    Thank you for these informative Videos , please keep up and do more videos on anteana and hackrf

  • @L0rdK0nda
    @L0rdK0nda2 ай бұрын

    I recognize a nanovna even blurred XD Great video as always

  • @MattRobertsons
    @MattRobertsons2 ай бұрын

    Another great video! Thank you so much for making these and doing them so well. Thank you!

  • @borisvokladski5844
    @borisvokladski58442 ай бұрын

    A little life hack for antennas that need a metal surface: I use cheap fan grills for PC cabinets. They also give some stability to the antenna, if you place them near a open window or outside. To begin with in my early SDR journey, I did not knew, that these antennas need a metal surface for ground plane. I was very happy when I found out, that a metal surface helped improving the signal just by using a left over fan grill.

  • @KJ7VUB
    @KJ7VUB2 ай бұрын

    Hey Sn0ren, great job. Love this!

  • @lillebrornmb
    @lillebrornmb2 ай бұрын

    Helt perfekt video for mig som er ny i denne RF leg. Mange tak for denne og alle dine andre videoer.

  • @MrXRes
    @MrXRes2 ай бұрын

    Спасибо! Лучшее видео про антенны для новичков, что я встречал Успехов вам в развитии канала

  • @effwitt
    @effwitt2 ай бұрын

    Very nicely produced video! Liked and subscribed.

  • @no32no74
    @no32no742 ай бұрын

    Great video and very important topic! Thanks!

  • @rocheuro
    @rocheuro2 ай бұрын

    i knew nothing about rf and antennas now I know quite a bit! great explanation very well constructed video. thank you! now I will know which antenna to use with my UV K5(8)'s !

  • @rocheuro

    @rocheuro

    2 ай бұрын

    btw another great quality informative video! its a pleasure to watch.

  • @mikelitoris7288
    @mikelitoris7288Ай бұрын

    You pick up the people where most of them are :-) Very good explained! (Just 2ct from a Dipl.-Ing.)

  • @cherrymountains72
    @cherrymountains722 ай бұрын

    Just what I needed as I recently started dabbling with amateur radio!

  • @javierpallalorden
    @javierpallalorden2 ай бұрын

    Thank you for the excellent video!

  • @MyTube4Utoo
    @MyTube4Utoo2 ай бұрын

    Very good, accurate information. Thank you.

  • @davidwilliams-lq9om
    @davidwilliams-lq9omАй бұрын

    Excellent job! A long-time Elmer.

  • @philswede
    @philswede2 ай бұрын

    Greetings from Sweden! You,Sir, just got yourself a new subscriber 🎉 Awesome video!

  • @sergebash2305
    @sergebash23052 ай бұрын

    Спасибо! Хорошая подача материала. Очень познавательно.

  • @burning4902
    @burning4902Ай бұрын

    Great video thank you!

  • @Xdigitalboss
    @Xdigitalboss2 ай бұрын

    I’m not sure how I got here, but I’m interested in learning about this

  • @liaammalka8551
    @liaammalka85512 ай бұрын

    Thank You.

  • @joseetcheverry1344
    @joseetcheverry13442 ай бұрын

    Thank you so much !!!

  • @sn0ren

    @sn0ren

    2 ай бұрын

    You're welcome!

  • @joecizin9357
    @joecizin93572 ай бұрын

    👍👍

  • @maverick3644
    @maverick36442 ай бұрын

    Sn0ren you always make the best videoes 🙂 Quick question, i use the Harris AN/PRC 152 in the Danish army, the same antenna is used from 30-512MHz, how is that possible?

  • @sn0ren

    @sn0ren

    2 ай бұрын

    There are many ways to make an antenna multi band. One way is to have more than one antenna in one, compacting several dipoles together. Another way is to have "traps" along the antenna, small passive filter circuits that cut off the antenna for signals of certain frequencies. Another way is to use bands that are multiples of each other, the ham radio bands are like this 2m, 4m, 6m, 10m, 20m, 40m - this way one antenna can be resonant on multiple bands. Another way, which is mostly common on the HF bands below 30 MHz, is to use an antenna matching circuit or antenna tuner. On HF there is more leeway to use non resonant antennas, as long as they are long antennas, but their impedance still needs to be matched to the radio. An antenna is like a load (think resistor) to the radio, and that load needs to be 50 ohms. If you have an end fed long wire or whip antenna, the impedance will be very high. A matching circuit such as a balun/unun, can bring down the impedance closer to the required 50 ohms. However even if you match the impedance with a tuner, it doesn't necessarily make the antenna good radiator - but it might be good enough. An antenna tuner can also do this, or work together with a matching circuit. Many radios for HF have built in antenna tuners. Also military radios are typically built to withstand high impedance mismatches, and can survive high SWR - unlike hobby radios. For every point I make in this video, there is a longer "well, actually.." answer ;)

  • @notafbihoneypot8487
    @notafbihoneypot84872 ай бұрын

    Based

  • @bowlsallbroken
    @bowlsallbroken2 ай бұрын

    If you want to transmit with any kind of equipment with a wide range of bands, do yourself a favor and invest in a nanoVNA for antenna matching.

  • @adriancamposteixeira5483
    @adriancamposteixeira5483Ай бұрын

    Wow!!

  • @MoefoeAhole-gy9vd
    @MoefoeAhole-gy9vd2 күн бұрын

    Please 🙏🏻 make a step by step tutorial for the rabbit labs hack rf , I received mine a week ago I am a beginner please do a step by step out of the box tutorial for the rabbit lab hackrf 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

  • @roguesecurity
    @roguesecurity2 ай бұрын

    Amazing video as always. Thanks for sharing. Couple of questions: 1. How useful is to get a nanovna if I just want to receive. I was thinking to get one and design my own antenna for different frequencies reception 2. For receiving, can I just use a dipole (with lengths adjusted) for any frequency?

  • @sn0ren

    @sn0ren

    2 ай бұрын

    For receiving you can get away with eyeballing a dipole or ground plane in some approximate area of a frequency. If you want to build more complicated antennas like a yagi, it’s beneficial to have the NanoVNA even just for receiving to check that your design is working out correctly.

  • @ccc3
    @ccc32 ай бұрын

    Superbly summerised! How come radio devices don't come with some kind of protection circuit to prevent frying the amp?

  • @sn0ren

    @sn0ren

    2 ай бұрын

    Some do and will throttle down the output if they detect a bad SWR. Some are just built more robustly and can take even a high amount of reflected power. But a lot aren't. It's all down to cost and most hobby radios expect you to know to check your SWR before transmitting 50-100 watts into an antenna. You get to buy the radio for a little less money or get other features instead.

  • @ccc3

    @ccc3

    2 ай бұрын

    ​@@sn0renThanks for the fast reply! Today I became a little more intrigued by radio thanks to you

  • @VeniceInventors
    @VeniceInventors2 ай бұрын

    Great all around explanation of the subject of antennas. Such a fascinating subject. 1/4 length antennas seem to be the most common, but wouldn't a full length antenna be the best option (at least for reception)? I'll have to look into the 5/8th approach to understand why it actually "flattens/strengthens the donut" rather than just degrade the transmission power from reflections. Now I want to make a measuring tape for my portapak telescopic antenna which shows the frequencies (instead of cm/inches) as that would be handy :-)

  • @sn0ren

    @sn0ren

    2 ай бұрын

    For some reason a full wave antenna is a really poor radiator when used for transmitting. I'm not sure of it's receiving capabilities. The mysterious theory of antennas crosses into physics which is a weird place.

  • @VeniceInventors

    @VeniceInventors

    2 ай бұрын

    @@sn0ren That's why I find it so fascinating, we think we have it all figured out and then the universe says "not so fast, I've got some more puzzles for you!"

  • @laory1808
    @laory18082 ай бұрын

    Ty snoren

  • @phant0m739
    @phant0m7392 ай бұрын

    0:33 I hate to be pedantic, but Iron actually makes for a poor antenna, especially at high frequencies, due to the conductor skin effect. Great video though!

  • @sn0ren

    @sn0ren

    2 ай бұрын

    Thanks!🙏 There are plenty of options for being pedantic as I’ve had to cut out a lot of details to not make the video too long for the beginners. I’m happy to have lots of great input as yours in the comments though 🙌

  • @smegheadGOAT
    @smegheadGOAT2 ай бұрын

    I am waiting for a delivery of a hackrf one would it be a good idea to turn the amplifier off before starting my beginners journey.

  • @sn0ren

    @sn0ren

    2 ай бұрын

    Always a good idea to have the amp turned until you actually are in a situation where you need it. I haven't had a situation where I would need the transmit amp yet.

  • @smegheadGOAT

    @smegheadGOAT

    2 ай бұрын

    @@sn0ren WOW! sn0ren thanks for the reply.

  • @TheSolo38
    @TheSolo3822 күн бұрын

    only had my flipper and this for a 2 weeks think I'm going to sell them find it hard getting any info on how to get the software even on mayhem site etc I know how to extract files all that but its a bit to much for me even with getting the dev board working on flipper 😢

  • @LeonardSamuels75
    @LeonardSamuels752 ай бұрын

    Sooo... anything to do about blowing the amp on my hackrf? Or is it useless now?

  • @sn0ren

    @sn0ren

    2 ай бұрын

    If you’ve blown the amp on your HackRF you can just turn it off. Everything else still works. You can also use an external LNA.

  • @Atmatan_Kabbaher

    @Atmatan_Kabbaher

    2 ай бұрын

    You can also desolder the amp and fix the circuit yourself if you know how to solder. The internet says it's easy and self explanatory.

  • @iyeetsecurity922
    @iyeetsecurity92222 күн бұрын

    Greetings! Can the HackRF be used as a police scanner?

  • @sn0ren

    @sn0ren

    22 күн бұрын

    Yes, provided the police still use analog radio in your area.

  • @iyeetsecurity922

    @iyeetsecurity922

    16 күн бұрын

    ​@@sn0renNot anymore unfortunately. I just bought one of these because I'm interested in learning more, and there's a lot to learn here. I thought that SDR was able to receive digital broadcasts such as that.

  • @WEEDFROGS
    @WEEDFROGS2 ай бұрын

    Being this early feels like a crime! Thanks @sn0ren for another great vid!

  • @sn0ren

    @sn0ren

    2 ай бұрын

    Thanks and congrats 🎉

  • @kursadzeybek356
    @kursadzeybek3562 ай бұрын

    very very INFORMATIVE video bro BUT i wanna learn KeyFob PLEASE teach us... (i wanna open my neubours car:p hihhi)

  • @djdoubleu2020
    @djdoubleu20202 ай бұрын

    Why is your PortaPack so thick? It appears to be thicker than others ive seen online.

  • @sn0ren

    @sn0ren

    2 ай бұрын

    It’s a thicker alu Portapack body that is sold by OpenSourceSDRLab

  • @ClickClack_Bam
    @ClickClack_Bam2 ай бұрын

    I've built a Pwnagotchi. I've put an antenna on it that was 5dBi. I took off the 5dBi antenna & put on a 10dBi antenna. Both antenna are the same size but the 10dBi antenna appear to get a better signal. You explained that the same size antenna are the same. I don't understand then why I get a more powerful signal then. I'm new to this so I'm clueless.

  • @sn0ren

    @sn0ren

    2 ай бұрын

    If these antennas have a plastic shroud over them you don't really know what's inside without disassembling them. A lot of antennas use the same default plastic shroud, but have very different lengths of metal inside them. Some can be coiled, some can be stacked dipoles for increased gain... and some can just be marketing adding a few extra dBi's in the text and hoping that no one is the wiser.

  • @ClickClack_Bam

    @ClickClack_Bam

    2 ай бұрын

    @@sn0ren Is there an official way to measure their strength?

  • @sn0ren

    @sn0ren

    2 ай бұрын

    It’s a bit tricky but you can use a field strength meter. But with WiFi it can be difficult to measure.