Durston X-Mid Pro 1: geni.us/lchuziJ Osprey Exos Pro 55: geni.us/OlmFdC Nemo Hornet 3P: geni.us/e0wJZkt Nitecore NU25 UL: geni.us/Bm2CU0u Nitecore NU25: geni.us/jVMAh Big Agnes Zoom UL: geni.us/gprgMe Therm-a-rest XLite NXT: geni.us/950XEty

Its important to note that 4-5 decibels is actually substantially quieter as with every 10 decibels comes a perceived doubling of loudness. The logarithmic nature of decibel measurement can be tricky. Also, the frequency/type of sound is something to consider. The sound of wind could be the same volume as crinkling a bag of potato chips, however the sound itself is less bothersome to most.

@motoxerdad

Жыл бұрын

Agreed - their video show time recording, FFT's... I wonder if they did sound quality analysis as well like Sharpness etc.... I think maybe not LOL.... In reality they likely just add surface treatment to the material damping its buckling behavior acting like a LPF also.. fun problems to solve!

Side note about thermal camera test... cool idea but definitely not accurate. heck it tells you next to nothing. BUT there is a simple fix you can do for the next video to make it really useful! Therma camera don't really measure temperature, they measure IR output, which is dependent on a materials emissivity (or that's how I understand it, someone please chime in and correct me if i'm wrong). For future videos, to ensure your comparing apples to apples, put some electrical tape on both the pads in the areas you are interested in. This will keep the emissivity values between both pads the same (in the areas with tape) so you can actually make a real comparison that is representative of the thermal bridging between the top of the pad and the floor. It's not a perfect setup, but way more insightful then just pointing the camera at two different pads with potential different material/surface finish properties spoofs the thermal camera into reading different temperature values.

@photog1529

Жыл бұрын

That's correct...different materials have different emissivity values. With any thermal device, it needs to have the ability for the user to set the correct, or most accurate, emissivity value for the material or object. Generally, you could get away with simply setting the device's emissivity to 0.98 or so and just apply some black gaffer's tape to the target.

@noahgoldman9725

Жыл бұрын

Combined with the fact that R value is likely measuring thermal resistivity so the best test would to be to time how long it takes to get to these temps, assuming they’re accurate. The slower the higher the r value.

@adriantait3525

Жыл бұрын

I would add that you may consider locking the temperature color rendition so that the brightness and colors will be consistent between tests. This will show pad to pad in relation to a baseline color "temperature" image. Most thermal cameras have the ability to lock the sensitivity.

I started watching your channel when you did the Nikwax review because I use the product, but not at a "dunk a jacket treated with Nikwax into a freezing cold stream" level - so I was curious and then I was hooked! I'm not a super active hiker or camper, but I love outdoor activities and I love that you share gear I'd never have known about or thought to look for that makes adventures easier. Even if your video is about something I'm not likely to need to know about with my current activities, I enjoy watching and listening anyway just because it's so soothing to listen to you!

@MyLifeOutdoors

Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much. I’m glad you are here and you are finding the channel enjoyable. It means a lot to get comments like this. Thanks again

Something about this guys energy just makes stuff enjoyable to watch. He could teach a math class and i would absolutely love it!

i have the old nu25, bought the new nu25 entirely for the usb-c port. SO worth it. it was the only piece of tech i was carrying that still used a micro usb, so it meant i could ditch that cord entirely and simplify my charging situation.

@jasondunbar3667

Жыл бұрын

Probably going to do this myself. I'm just getting ready for a kayak camping trip and was cussing out my headlamp for making me bring a micro usb! Lol

@StewartsRootBeer

Жыл бұрын

Same here. I was disappointed in the weight increase, and the output increase was marginal at best, but I made the switch solely for the convenience of the USB-C port. Worth it!

@StewartsRootBeer

Жыл бұрын

@@jasondunbar3667 If that's the only downside for you, you could do what I've been doing for years and keeping tiny little USB-C to Micro USB adapters! They weight just a few grams each, and you can pop them on the end of any of your C cables to turn them into Micro cables! ^_^

Just as a note from my experience XLite pads get quieter over time. If the non nxt version was well used this could also impact the test.

After using the NXT a few times the NXT is definitely much quieter and more comfortable than the old Xlite to me. The noise difference is very evident.

@chad.breece

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I don't know what he's on about. I just used the NXT last night for the first time and it is absolutely quieter. Compared directly to the old Xlite it's night and day.

@jtm2400

Жыл бұрын

Completely agree. When I first lifted an lite at REI I instantly knew I couldn’t sleep on it because it was so loud. The new one came out and I picked it up and instantly could tell the difference as it sooooo much quieter. Laid on it, rolled around and realized I could sleep on it. The extra half in is nice compared to the NEMO Tensor for when the air condenses a bit at night and you sink down a bit. I have yet to feel the ground pull heat on it as I did with the Tensor.

@MFRiley

Жыл бұрын

​@jtm2400 It's also slightly wider and longer than the Nemo Tensor (in the wide versions at least), which is very appreciated by a large man like myself. I find the NXT XLite to be more comfortable than the Nemo and close enough to the S2S Ether Light XT in comfort that I prefer the Xlite overall, considering the weight and warmth.

Your reviews & info are superior! Thank you for your efforts!!!

Can't wait to see the extended review on the Zoom UL....

I came across your video the other day, and I appreciate what you make! You use a lot of lent principles which is awesome. Keep up the great work

Thanks !!Good information

So cool they you did your own volume tests

Mats with transverse tubing will tend to convect away more heat than longitudinal tubing. This doesn't show up in the testing methods. Convective heat transfer occurs in the opposite direction to gravity, and definitely not from cold ground up to the warm sleeper. However, when lying on and compressing a sleeping mat, the base of the warm sleeper is lower than the edge of the mat, and for mats with transverse tubing, convective heat loss is significant due to the short distances involved. This is much less of a problem in mats with longitudinal tubing, the distances involved being much greater. Neither Exped or Thermarest have picked up on this.

You know the decibel scale is a logarithmic scale right? A 3 decibel decrease means halving the energy levels of the sound. Therefore a reduction of 4 to 5 decibels is still quite substantial.

@adenkunz4747

Жыл бұрын

You know this guy is extremely biases and hates anything that is actually good if it isnt made of dyneema?

@lightsnsiren79

Жыл бұрын

@@adenkunz4747 you know should spell check your over-generalized criticisms, right?

@EricLS

Жыл бұрын

Lulz. Made a comment on the video itself, but “quite substantial” = perceivable enough to say that there was definitely a change. 5dB to the human ear is the threshold of perception lmao

@siberx4

Жыл бұрын

3dB may mean half the sound energy, but it certainly does not mean it sounds half as loud - that's the whole reason we measure sound logarithmically. The manufacturer is deliberately ignoring this to make the perceived sound reduction for the pad seem much better than it actually is.

@motoxerdad

Жыл бұрын

@@siberx4 your comment is the first one I see here that is 100% correct...

the past tents joke is one of my favorite go to jokes! thats so funny

I have several thermarest bags and quilts, and I love them. I have 1 thermarest pad, and I have not spent one night on it. As soon as I took it out of the stuff sac, I put it back in and got a MEC vectair. Best mat yet.

The only add I haven’t skipped in years. Great job!

I had a Thermarest Neoair and it was a bit noisy, but it didn’t bother me. For snow adventures I just added a z-lite pad under it and it was warm enough for me.

Great video! I’m curious that you said Dan Durston only sells four tents. There are six tents: the regular X-Mids, the X-Mid Pros, and the X-Mid Solids, all in 1P and 2P. The solid is meant for colder weather because a large amount of the inner mesh tent is replaced by fabric. Peace!

A man goes to his psychiatrist and says “I'm going crazy, doc. Sometimes I think I’m a yurt and sometimes I'm convinced I'm a tipi”. The doctor says “Relax, you’re two tents”.

I am really looking forward to your Exos Pro review.

Theory about the Big Agnes Zoom Pad. The ASTM test measures R value between two static surfaces, but in reality, people roll about at night. It might be that less internal baffling in the Zoom beans that air shifts easier about causing convection cooling that robs you of heat.

Hey there, Just found your channel and have enjoyed your videos. Do you have a video with inexpensive gear for us once a year group campers? Would love any recommendations to improve or replace my camping set up. Thank you

Decibels are on a logarithmic scale, so they work like this: a 3 decibel increase is a doubling in volume, and a 3 decibel decrease is a halving in volume. So 4-5 decibel decrease is actually a hell of a drop in volume.

Sound is on a dB scale, which is logarithmic. 2dB is about 63% quieter, so probably within the margin of error considering the differences in measurement. For reference, 3dB is twice a reference volume and -3dB is half. That being said, I would have rather seen them measure inside a tent to see what sounds reflect more back to the mic that resonate with that system.

Would love to see your continued testing of the zoom UL. I am looking at the rapide SL for its comfort and R-Value. If the zoom is good to go I’d rather get that and shed a few OZ!

@d.robertshaw

Жыл бұрын

I’m in the same position. Waiting for more review to show up before I buy. Let me know if you spot any!

@flybyguy1450

Жыл бұрын

I'm in the same position. Can't wait for more thorough reviews of the zoom ul.

@maxwellerickson7066

Жыл бұрын

Rapide is the comfiest sleeping bad I've ever used. I would only replace it with something lighter on long trips, maybe 4+ days. Just my 2c

Hmmm...got me thinking about the Durston tent. I've been using a Zpack Duplex (love it) but the Durston looks interesting, especially considering the pole is offset away from the entrance.

@elr05

Жыл бұрын

The XMid Pro 1P feels enormous inside to me…I think it has something to do with how vertical the walls are. I can’t compare it to the Duplex, though.

@Ryan-yi5ro

Жыл бұрын

Do it. Sold my Duplex as the Xmid is far superior in every way.

Im thinking about getting the Zoom or the Rapide . I think I go for Rapide . It’s heavier but seems to sleep warmer and is more durable . Currently using sea to summit etherlight xt regular wide but need a Pad for my GF and her Western Mountaineering Alpinlite . Since I had bad experience with UL pads like the Uberlite from thermarest i really want something durable

Fyi, to reduce something by 80% (down to .2 of what it was) is a reduction of 6.9dB

Those dad jokes 😂 I was watching this with my girls (age 9, 7 & 7) and they were cracking up!

Great video!

this was the best, thank you

Will you be making more videos on the tarptent dipole 2?

I love my Ospey Exos Pro 55. Please compare to Gregory Focus with its superior compression strap system. I performed some permanent mods to my Exos Pro decoupling the compression straps from the hip belt and permanently routing under/inside stretchy side pockets...compression still functional but now I have full access and full expansion of side pockets even when cinching down the bottom compression straps. I can still put long items compressed in side pockets if I choose now all functioning equally well as Gregory Focal. Leaving compression straps attached to hipbelt is problematic and unnecessary. Load transfer works equally well without this attachment. I also detached upper compression straps from upper corners of the large stretchy front pocket moving over to a side loop so compression is still functional but now allowing full access to large front pocket even when under maximum compression. A few other mods were done with optional removable sleeping pad straps to bottom and top of the pack improving the overall design and making this pack perfect. The permanent mods actually reduced pack weight a few grams by use of slightly shorter compression strap lengths.

Really enjoyed the dad jokes on your moose jaw promo today XD

The Durston XMid Pro 1P tent is DCF canopy and 15D silnylon floor. The full setup weight is 19.2oz (tent+stakes+bags), according to the specs on his website. The groundsheet is another 3.8oz, for a total of 23oz.

@TheMidnightModder

Жыл бұрын

Cope.

@photog1529

Жыл бұрын

The you gotta add in the weight of the Durston poles, another 6.5 ounces or so (IIRC) for the pair.

@elr05

Жыл бұрын

@@photog1529 Just curious, what percent of users need to buy separate poles instead of using their already existing trekking poles? I don’t think it’s a large portion of users.

@TheMidnightModder

Жыл бұрын

@@elr05 They're just salty and grasping for anything to use against the tent. Pay them no mind, their opinions aren't worth much.

83% reduction is equal to 7.7dB reduction. An easy way to remember the conversion is that every 3dB is a factor of two and every 10dB is a factor of ten. dB's may seem confusing, but are a simple way to work with large numbers. Earthquakes are likewise in dB's (dB/10 to be precise). An 8.0 earthquake is a hundred-times as powerful as a 6.0. A quiet room might be 20dBA, while an Xlite might be 70dBA - 100,000-times more noisy? Thus, big numbers lose meaning, and dB's start to make sense.

I just got the big Agnes insulated Qcore with R 4.3 and still felt cold from underneath

You get a like! That was funny! (love your content)

Was the sound measurement decibells a power ratio or amplitude ratio measurement. They claim 6x less noisy, that translates to a 7,78 dB difference in power ratio, but 15,56 dB in amplitude ratio.

What is the black hoody being worn in this video? That thing looks pretty sweet.

I hate it when I get psyched up about a product, then I find out what the price is

The new NU25 supposedly has a slightly bigger battery, that’s where the increase in weight comes from

Excellent dad jokes 😂

that running joke caught me off guard. i always try to 'ran' through the campgrounds. lol.

I recently bought a hyperlight southwest 3400 and the osprey exos 55 pro. Im having a hard time settling on either one.

For the Zoom, it's probably the same problem the etherlight has, The air inside the pad is allowed to move, from bottom to top. That means that the cooler air at the bottom will mix with the warmer air at the top, every time you move. That doesn't show up in these kinds of tests, or test environments where the dummy doesn't move, so the Etherlight is also rated way to high.

@randomichannel

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, you need to fill the pad full of air.

What’s the hoodie and how do you like it? Looks like a Farpointe but wanted to double check. Prepping for some hikes this spring

@MyLifeOutdoors

Жыл бұрын

It is Farpointe and I love it. I wear it all the time.

Re. noise, how well used is the old Therm-a-Rest pad? They do get quieter with use... if the new pad is not as well used, the noise difference would be reduced.

Any know of any reviews for MSR elixir 2P

The thermarest pad is sooo much better now. Had both and the difference is incredible. I'm not sure what you're trying to say here?

I’ve given up on the larger pack companies all together. The only brand that I use now are Hill People Gear. Their packs are inovative. Bullet proof and some of the most comfortable packs I’ve ever owned. Family made in the USA.

Now one can have those inflatable tents without metallic poles. I wonder if anyone own such tent.

This is the most creative ad of a video sponsor 😂

NU25... I think the important upgrade is the USB-C port not the strap. I don't use those regular straps anyway and replace them with the shock cord. I even went back to the original strap once to see and I could not stand it. Its so odd I was thinking about getting the new NU25 and decided against it because I liked my original one so much. Then I misplaced or lost it so I had to get a new one anyway. If the original version had a USB-C port I would have went with that.

Decibels are a logarithmic scale. -3db is half power, or 50% So your measurements show much MORE than 83% quieter.

I thought the xlite gets quiter over time so to congrats old to new, makes sense to compare old to new with only brand new versions of each 🚨

But will the inner of the Nemo Hornet Osmo wet out like the previous model?

Lightweight gears, cool and all. But I like my vintage gear exterior metal frame backpack no down bag and a heavy metal Coleman lantern. Also, good video

a 4-5 dB difference is huge!

My elbow popped a new NXT the first time I set it up. Shouldve watched this first. Swapped for an alpine tensor.

I do like Moosejaw. They are always fun

Try the Nitecore NU33. It's heavier but it is excellent. I was also disappointed with the new NU25. The floodlight and mixed modes are really annoying. The NU33 does everything right that the 25 did wrong. And also has everything it got right.

The dad jokes made this video epic!

The matt looks really good, shame about the price tag though 😢

Which is the best quilt on a a tight budget ?

@MyLifeOutdoors

Жыл бұрын

Tight budget is different for different people. But my go to budget quilt is the Featherstone Moondance. Use code Mylifeoutdoors for 10% off

Yesss! Princess Bride clip 😂

I just got the exos pro 55 also, I like it a lot but it isn't perfect. Some gripes. The water bottle pockets are pretty useless, basically need to add a shoulder strap water bottle holder or use a bladder. it seems designed for bladder use. The plastic adjustment rails on the frame can dig in to my shoulder blades if I am only wearing a T shirt. The compression system is poorly done still, covers the side mesh pockets. now it's removable.

@daviddejong2756

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree with your gripes. I am a huge fan of the Exos because of the trampoline back and side pockets. I've owned 3 different versions of the pack. Last year when they reintroduced the hip belt pockets, I quickly purchased the latest version... only to be disappointed. In addition to your gripes on the Pro (which looks like last year's Exos design except with lighter material), I will add that the zippers on the hip belt pockets are very difficult to open and close even with 2 hands. Furthermore, the flap jacket is the size of a jock strap, which allows water to pool and migrate into the pack, forcing me to keep the brain and accepting the weight penalty. In true Osprey style: one step forward... two steps back. They need to add a thru-hiker to their design team!

@jadenm

Жыл бұрын

For a lightweight pack i found it moderately comfortable. My biggest concerns are the durability. The hip belt buckle seems tiny and the material seems like it wouldn’t survive a thur hike as advertised.

Did we forget that Skurka developed a tent that basically is the Durston tent, and that Durston works with Skurka. Also didn’t Yama Mountain Gear develop a tent that is the same at the Durston tent?

Grabbed the Exos Pro 55 but worried it's a bit too light for my taste. Mostly worried the hipbelt/padding will become an issue midtrip. TBF this is compared to my current AG 65 so totally justifiable considering the weight savings but the 30lb comfort rating is also a concern as I would need to really optimize my load to hit that mark. Been looking at the new Atmos LT 65 as an at least lighter weight option. Sturdier materials for seemingly better pack longevity and cuts all the frills I don't use on my AG 65 anyway. Seems the LT 65 isn't getting much attention yet though, hard to find anything beyond Osprey's own videos and the section hiker review.

@1eikaramba1

Жыл бұрын

compared the new exos, the exos pro 55, the ag LT 50, the ag 50 and the aether 65 in a store and frankly the exos was the most comfortable one for me with ~14kg load. i don't need a bigger one, but i was suprised that the ag LT 50 was so uncomfortable. the ag 50 felt way better but was too big for me in general.

@markcummings6856

Жыл бұрын

If you are interested in selling that Pro 55, let me know if you’d like to. Thanks.

@1eikaramba1

Жыл бұрын

@@markcummings6856 i tried them in the store sry. Update: a you meant the other one

@Shrouded_reaper

Жыл бұрын

The adjusters on that Osprey are trash, I knew when I got my exos 48 that had those shitty plastic clips they would be an issue. The strap is constantly rubbing on the outer square and then fails leaving you with a fucked up strap. You could probably fix it in the field I suppose if the plastic clip doesn't ping off into the void which is what happened to me.

I wonder is the new Exos is why the Levity/Lumina is OOP?

I like the alpaca jock 🌈

What the sweater he is wearing?

I wish dyneema wasn’t as delicate as it is. I feel like for what you pay for it should be more robust

Just noticed that you look sharper in 60 fps :D

Seen too many videos of Durston tents, and Dynema tents not coping at all in high winds.

@Ryan-yi5ro

Жыл бұрын

Performs amazing in high wind and definitely the best on the market for its weight.

The 2p hubba hubba is 50” wide this Nemo“3p” tent is 60” wow

Every “backpacking gear KZreadr” seems to have forgotten or missed Tarptent StratoSpire…. Everybody talks about the X-mid.

@Kevinschart

Жыл бұрын

took them years to start talking about the xmid 1. they only people discussing it were the small tiny channels. the big boys needed their palms greased. what you've seen over the last 12 months is no coincidence.

@mikaelwendel

Жыл бұрын

You’re probably right, but they are all talking about the X-Mid as if it’s a revolutionary thing when the design was made long ago by Tarptent. I’m sure it’s a good tent since the StratoSpire is a good tent and almost identical.

@stonedapeadventures

Жыл бұрын

Mr. Shire gets no love from the bulk of the youtubers

@macmurfy2jka

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, they don’t talk about tarptent

@durstongear

Жыл бұрын

@@mikaelwendel The Stratospire is a nice tent, but it's not 'almost identical'. Even Henry at Tarptent has acknowledged these tents are substantially different and apologized after original claiming that. The Stratospire is based around a hexagon and is essentially the standard A frame design (e.g. Duplex, SMD Haven) except for the diagonal ridgeline and struts. It's a nice tent but not really anything like the X-Mid other than a visual resemblance because they both have diagonal ridgelines. In comparison, the X-Mid is much less like any pre-existing tent shape. It based around a rectangle base which changes everything (different base shape, different seams, different panels etc). Unlike the Stratospire, it has a diagonal floor AND a diagonal ridgeline, so it's the first "double diagonal" tent. I think the Stratospire is a great tent (I used one on the PCT) but it's really quite different from the X-Mid. The X-Mid is based around a rectangle rather than a hexagon because it's a simpler shape that makes it lighter and easier to pitch and doesn't require struts.

Hah, just picked up a xlite nxt 3 days ago (rei 20%). It seems quieter to me out of the box. The s2s pad I had previously was very crinkly.

You need to update your catalogue of dad jokes.

The Dad jokes are strong with this one

5db quieter would be about 80% less. Doesn't necessarily mean the noise isn't still irritating. Never worried me though.

I understand some would have trouble with the crinkle. But I have slept by a fighter jet burnout test sight (unsure of appropriate term) in Afghanistan for 8 months and slept through a few CRAM's going off in Iraq. I can sleep through anything now. Lol

The decibel scale is not linear... 3db difference is TWICE as loud. That's a HUGE difference!! +2db still like 50% more

@tylerreeves8026

Жыл бұрын

Exactly! Just commenting to improve the chance of the algorithm bumping your comment up so others see it.

For all the people posting about decibels and such, you’re not wrong per se, but you might want to read this: “Perception Sound studies tell us time and again that a 3dBA increase in sound level is barely noticeable to the human ear. In fact, you have to raise a sound level by 5dBA before most listeners report a noticeable or significant change. Further, it takes a 10dBA increase before the average listener hears “double the sound.” That’s a far cry from 3dB.” (3dB is a literal doubling of sound energy) Yeah, so thermarest pulled the ol’ “blinded by science” trick. Even if he measures 5dBA decrease, (the 83% ish they claim) it will only be perceived as a bit quieter. Keep in mind the human ear has a dynamic range of about one TRILLION to one, so any sound at all will be registered just fine. It would have to be hugely quieter to really FEEL quieter.

The Durston tent is a near-exact copy of the Tarptent Stratospire Li, which they've been making for years. They are not really doing anything original.

@stonedapeadventures

Жыл бұрын

Henry shire gets no love 😢

@durstongear

Жыл бұрын

The X-Mid is a substantially different tent, as even Tarptent has acknowledged. The Stratospire is based around a hexagon and is essentially the standard A frame design (e.g. Duplex, SMD Haven) except for the diagonal ridgeline and struts. It's a nice tent but not really anything like the X-Mid other than a superficial visual resemblance. In comparison, the X-Mid is much less like any pre-existing tent shape. It based around a rectangle so everything is different from the Stratospire (core shapes, seams, panels etc). Unlike the Stratospire, it has a diagonal floor AND a diagonal ridgeline, so it's the first "double diagonal" tent. Really everything is different: base shape, panels, seams, floor orientation etc. What really matters though is the function. Here, the X-Mid is simpler to pitch and lighter due to the fewer seams and more weight efficient shape that doesn't require struts. The vestibules are more useable and it's easier to pack without struts.

@bryangeoffrion

Жыл бұрын

@@durstongear It's cool man, everybody copies off of everybody else at this point, you don't need to explain yourselves

By the way, 3db is double due to log scaling of db.

The diehard ultralight movement is ridiculous.

A 1dB change equates to a 26% difference.

So the ASTM testing is a little flawed, it can’t test how long the air in your pad will stay warm for. Nemo and themorest have some type of insulation in there pad that is patented and keeps the air warm longer. That’s why there pads are warmer at the same r-value.

4 db is a pretty big difference.

I bought the headlamp with the cord due to one of your previous videos. It's really nice and considerably lighter than my one that takes AAA batteries.

I would like an xmid pro 1 sil/poly version please. I don't care for the see through material or the $700 price.

@durstongear

Жыл бұрын

That could happen, but it wouldn't be much lighter than the regular X-Mid 1 we have now for $240 because most of the weight savings with the Pro version are from the Dyneema material.

@Kevinschart

Жыл бұрын

@@durstongear Makes sense. I was wondering how much weight could be saved. But it might be nice to get back a little interior space without the extra bug netting. Also, on long hikes I think most people leave the bug net attached (simplicity). However, there are benefits to having a separate bug net (stargazing/rain fly as a tarp etc).

@durstongear

Жыл бұрын

@@Kevinschart Yes there would be merit to it. Some people prefer modularity while some prefer the added space. I suspect that most hybrid/singlewall buyers are buying to save weight and thus also prefer DCF, but there would be some that don't want to pay DCF prices or prefer singlewall for other reasons. I suspect it's a smaller niche so it's not something I'm working on right now, but it could happen one day.

@elr05

Жыл бұрын

@@Kevinschart I realize this isn’t the exact question you were asking, but I saw you mentioned stargazing mode. Durstongear sells a stargazing kit for the regular XMids, but (Dan, cover your ears) I’ll use a DIY modification to use the inner mesh tent in stargazing mode.

Those dad jokes lol that was the worst of this video 😂

"Worst gear" > immediately says the sleeping pad I recently bought To be fair, I have tested it and I didn't have issues with noise, so... your milage my vary? Level of inflation of the pad might also play a role.

I liked the jokes. :)

Best

More jocks 😅😅

Moosejaw was recently sold to Dick's Sports. Sometime in March.