Alfred Binet: This test will help kindergarteners get better help (: Lewis Terman and Henry Goddard: STERILIZE THE FEEBLE MINDED AND SEND THEM OFF TO COLONIES

@ryanjapan3113

4 жыл бұрын

Adam Merrill *alfred Binet

@Hellooo134

4 жыл бұрын

Ryan Japan thanks

@vazak11

4 жыл бұрын

That makes me so sad :(

@ryanjapan3113

4 жыл бұрын

Adam Merrill your welcome

@RoseEyed

4 жыл бұрын

You mean world history in a nutshell. Dicks always ruin things people create with good intentions.

Second

@arisenpawn425

4 жыл бұрын

are you ever going to do a real analysis on skyrim? I'm still mad about it.

@craftworded

4 жыл бұрын

Fak

@zingclassy6457

4 жыл бұрын

20th

@SydtheKyd

4 жыл бұрын

ｂｌｅｓｓ

@drackesp5747

4 жыл бұрын

This is just cheating... (BTW, I love tou)

The best argument against people who claim that the Bell Curve isn't racist is the fact that Murray isn't some incorporeal being who manifested out of thin air, wrote the book, and returned to the ether. He's a real person with a Twitter account, and oh boy.

@FuzzyKittenBoots

Жыл бұрын

Do I even dare to look...

@PH0B0PH1L1A

Жыл бұрын

i just looked and that is so unfortunate

@oscarosullivan4513

Жыл бұрын

Real bile to be honest

@DemandAlphabetBeBrokenUp

Жыл бұрын

So is Relativity a womanizer? Is the Photo electric effect a divorcee? Murray's personhood, beliefs, actions or even comments....Have absolutely nothing to do with data. What's more dangerous than any idea. Is a person or ideology that convinces you to not think critically. Hitler starved Denmark during WW2. Many woman unfortunately were pregnant at the time. The grandchildren of those women are 80x more likely to be morbidly obese. The finding launched investigations that uncovered the importance of many genes. It helped found the discipline of epigenetics. The policies, laws, entitlements, social engineering and programs. That are most responsible for negative environments for human development. Are almost exclusively promoted by, voted for and legislated by people.....wait for it......Who are most critical of The Bell Curve?...huh....So the group of people who claim that The Bell Curve is racist. Is the exact same group of people. Who does everything that it can to ensure poverty, drug addiction, fatherlessness, gun violence, poor schools joblessness, poor policing and hopelessness always thrives. Hmmm seems more likely to me. That the critics of The Bell Curve are the racist ones but who knows.... Maybe I just know how to think better than I am told what to think.

@sixstringedthing

Жыл бұрын

To borrow a phrase from another great LeftTube channel: "Maybe Charles Murray shouldn't be taken seriously by anybody about anything."

This really hits different after that report that nearly 75% of Harvard's legacy students don't meet the academic standards to be admitted.

@xpusostomos

2 жыл бұрын

Ironically the reason is genetic. It's called "reversion to the mean". People tend to move half way towards the mean in a later generation.

@SirPhysics

2 жыл бұрын

@@xpusostomos no. That's not what regression to the mean is. Regression to the mean is a statistical thing which happens to a single population upon multiple repeated measures. People who score particularly high or low the first time are like to have a score closer to the mean the next time because of luck. It has nothing to do with college admissions.

@xpusostomos

2 жыл бұрын

@@SirPhysics You are talking about regression to the mean in the randomness of measurements. Regression to the mean in genetics is about the randomness of what genes you get. The children of two very tall parents will usually be shorter than the parents. The children of two very short parents will usually be taller than the parents. Because the unlikely random circumstances that led to being extremely tall or short is unlikely to reoccur. So pockets of extreme people, including extremely smart people, will see their descendents revert back to the mean. It's partly because of mixing genes back with the wider population, and partly because we all have recessive genes, and when you procreate your children won't necessarily get the extreme gene, they'll get the other one. So with regards legacy intakes to Harvard, your dad might have been a genius, that means you might be a bit above average, but it's unlikely you'll be the genius he was.

@SirPhysics

2 жыл бұрын

@@xpusostomos This is completely unrelated to college admissions. Legacy admissions do not exist because of some assumption that the children of people who went to Harvard are more likely to be intelligent than the general population (if that were the case, it wouldn't be institution specific). It's just nepotism. *Edit: Also, it has nothing to do with genetics. "Regression to the mean" is specifically about statistics. It's NOT a genetic thing. A parent identified as brilliant is likely to have had positive environmental factors contribute to their development in a statistically unlikely way, while their child, even if that child were a perfectly identical clone, is unlikely to have the same environmental benefit and so they will, statistically, be lower in that trait than their parent.

@xpusostomos

2 жыл бұрын

@@SirPhysics I never said that legacy admissions exists because of a genetic assumption, I just said it's unsurprising that most legacy admissions don't meet the standard. As for your continued ignorance about the meaning of regression towards the mean in genetics, Google is your friend, read the wikipedia article about "Regression towards the mean" and its discussion of how it works in genetics. It's one thing to be ignorant, it's another thing to refuse to learn when someone tries to help you. As for environment... it tends to be reinforcing, not regressing to the mean. Someone smart by luck, will have a lot of money and give their children an even better environment than he had. Someone dumb by luck will be a pauper and give his children an even worse upbringing. This is the opposite of regression to the mean. In any case, things like height aren't especially affected by environment. You might be an inch or two shorter if you're starving, it doesn't change a lot. The same is true for IQ, but folks like you find it hard to accept because it doesn't fit your ideology.

I'm only halfway but I hope you're going to quote Gould: “I am, somehow, less interested in the weight and convolutions of Einstein’s brain than in the near certainty that people of equal talent have lived and died in cotton fields and sweatshops.” That's one of the most beautiful summaries of how environment determines an emergence of intelligence more than anything else

@wngbjngwwgk

4 жыл бұрын

@MeebleMeeble bzzt, incorrect, man with one study. Your paper came out in PLOS Biology in 2011 attempting to reclaim Morton as an accurate skull-measurer and to demonstrate that Gould's criticisms were largely without merit and that his own analysis contained errors. This paper received coverage in mainstream sites, such as the New York Times and Wired, and does appear to be the primary piece of evidence 'debunking' The Mismeasure of Man that gets referred to nowadays. However, the PLOS Biology paper itself made a number of errors, both conceptual and factual. These have been pointed out in a number of articles, and indeed even in comments left on the original article. A brief selection: Firstly: "Gould’s argument for Morton’s unconscious racial bias is based on a comparison between two sets of measurements using two different materials. In his 1839 Crania Americana, Morton used “pepper seeds,” but he switched technique to using lead BB shot for the measurements presented in his later works, especially the 1844 Crania Aegyptiaca. Morton made this switch because the pepper seeds were light, variable in size, and easily compressed, and as a result his measurements were highly variable. It is important to note that Gould agrees with Morton about the superiority of the shot measurements. Gould calls these measurements “objective, accurate, and repeatable” [2]. After tabulating and reanalyzing Morton’s data, Gould was struck by a systematic difference between the two sets of measurements. The mean cranial capacity for Africans, Americans, and Caucasians had all increased between 1839 and 1844, as is shown in Fig 1. However, they did not change by the same amounts. The African skulls have a much larger increase in mean cranial capacity than the Americans and Caucasians. If this difference were the result either of lack of precision or of a systematic measurement error, the change should be approximately the same for the different races, but it was not. Gould thought that the best explanation for the more dramatic change in the African mean was unconscious manipulation on Morton’s part in 1839, when technique made that manipulation possible. Why, then, do Lewis et al. think Morton has been vindicated? Their 2011 paper reports on the remeasurement of about half the skulls in Morton’s original set. They found that Morton’s shot measurements were mostly accurate, and that such errors as existed did not support a charge of bias. They also considered Gould’s other criticism of Morton’s methods and analysis, which they also judged to be mostly without merit (we are here only concerned with the measurement issue; for detailed discussions of all the claims in dispute, see [4,5]). They concluded that “Morton did not manipulate data to support his preconceptions, contra Gould” [3]. We take no issue with Lewis et al.’s remeasurements, but argue that these measurements are not and cannot be evidence for their conclusion. Although Lewis et al. found Morton’s shot-based measurements to be accurate, Gould already accepted this. Indeed, Gould had to assume that Morton’s shot measurements were accurate, as he relied on them in his own analysis. Gould never made, nor did he ever claim to make, nor did he have any reason to make any measurements himself. Gould’s argument depends on the difference between the two sets of measurements. Thus, as a matter of logic, there is no way that the results of Lewis et al.’s remeasurement program could be used to adjudicate the issue of who was biased. The many commentators who cite as a major failing of Gould’s that he “never bothered to measure the skulls himself” [6] have also, though perhaps more understandably, missed the point. PLOS Biology invited the authors of [3] to respond to this Formal Comment. They provided the following statement: “We decline to respond as the issues raised are well covered in our original paper, which we encourage interested readers to consult.”

@wngbjngwwgk

4 жыл бұрын

Secondly: "the Lewis et al. article received significant attention in the popular media. But many of the claims made by Lewis et al. in their article are misleading in important ways, and, as we make clear, much of the media attention focused on the most misleading aspects. It is impossible, reading Lewis et al., not to be led to the conclusion that Gould’s work was badly flawed, and that Morton’s was broadly correct. This is, for the reasons we suggest below, not the case. But the kind of sloppiness that Lewis et al. engaged in has real consequences -- e.g., members of the White Supremacist website “StormFront” immediately trumpeted Lewis et al.’s results as proving that Gould was “a fraud,” and took them to be broadly supportive of their explicitly racist agenda,2 a view apparently shared by many in related communities.3 Their discussion of the remeasurement takes up a significant portion of their paper, and much, indeed most, of the media coverage focused on this aspect of their work. We argue that this re-measurement was completely irrelevant to an evaluation of Gould’s published analysis of Morton; the exercise was pointless, and there was no legitimate reason to feature the results of that work. The space Lewis et al. devote to their re-measurement of the skulls, as well as the media attention it garnered, form part of a larger pattern of a reframing of Gould’s criticisms of Morton that is, again, at best misleading. Gould never claimed that Morton’s shot-based measurements, which is what Lewis et al. compared their new measurements to, were unreliable. Rather, Gould explicitly stated that he assumes “as Morton contends, that measurements with shot were objective and invariably repeatable to within 100 3” (Gould, 1978 507). In his The Mismeasure of Man, Gould is even more straightforward, and states simply that after Morton switched to lead shot, Morton “achieved consistent results that never varied by more than a single inch for the same skull” (Gould, 1981 53). Gould did not “bother” to re-measure the skulls, because Gould explicitly stated that, once Morton developed a method that made the unconscious “fudging” of the results difficult, the results became reliable. For Gould what was of interest was the difference in the kinds of results obtained when a less reliable method (seed) was used, and those obtained when a more reliable method (lead shot) was used; Gould hypothesized that the less reliable method permitted more room for unconscious bias to influence the results (Gould, 1978 505). recall that Gould explicitly stated that the shot-based measurements, unlike the seed-based measurements, were trustworthy; Gould simply never claimed that the shot-based measurements were subject to manipulation via unconscious bias at all. Gould did not claim that, once Morton switched to shot, Morton “physically mismeasured some skulls” -- he in fact states the exact opposite of this. Lewis et al. are here falsifying (their word) a claim that Gould never made...While it is important to publish negative results, framing those results in ways that suggest that they refute other people’s claims, when they do no such thing, is at least misleading, if not dishonest.

@wngbjngwwgk

4 жыл бұрын

Thirdly: Despite what they say, Lewis et al. have not falsified Gould’s claim. Gould’s argument was that the differences between Morton’s seed‐based and shot‐based measurements reveal Morton’s racially biased measurements. Showing that Morton’s shot‐based measurements are reliable is very impressive, but cannot support the claim that Morton’s work reveals racial bias. Indeed, Gould accepts the reliability of Morton’s shot‐based measurements, since he has no other way of determining differences with the seed‐based measurements.4 Importantly, this piece does confirm that there are some errors in Gould's analysis (I recommend reading the whole article here), but makes points such as: At least with respect to the Peruvians, it seems clear that Gould’s accusation that Morton manipulated subsamples, even unconsciously, does not stand up to scrutiny...While Gould’s accusations against Morton fail here, there is a subtlety to Gould’s argument that hasn’t yet been brought out and that remains correct. Although Lewis et al. focus on Gould’s discussion of sample size, Gould also discusses the problematic ways that Morton determines which samples to include in racial means. For example, Morton included small‐headed Inca Peruvians in the American mean, but excluded small‐headed Hindus from the Caucasian mean. This allowed Morton’s American sample to appear smaller and Caucasian sample to appear bigger than it might have been otherwise. Gould’s criticism can be made even more generally. Morton already saw differences in cranial capacity among the families and sub‐families in his samples. These differences should have led him to be much more cautious about reporting means for each race, since there is much variation within races, and relatively small differences between the racial aggregates. Thus while Lewis et al. are correct in their specific critiques of Gould, Gould’s more general critique is important and correct. even if Morton’s original numbers didn’t conform to racial stereotypes in quite the way Gould thought, Gould’s overall and most important point is correct. There is little difference in mean cranial capacity between the races, and Morton did not see this. Gould makes a substantial mistake in his exclusion of all Native Americans that weren’t in Morton’s 1839 sample. There is no principled reason to do this. Moreover, even without this exclusion, Gould’s point is preserved. Native Americans are no longer abnormally low in mean cranial capacity. In the final analysis, Gould’s charge that Morton’s analyses exhibit racial bias seems well‐justified. Gould made some analytical errors which were uncovered by Lewis et al., but his two most important claims-that there is evidence that Morton’s seed‐based measurements exhibit racial bias and that there are no significant differences in mean cranial capacities across races in Morton’s collection-are sound...

@wngbjngwwgk

4 жыл бұрын

Gould’s analysis and critique of Morton has been widely discussed and widely used as an illustration of implicit bias in science; it ought to remain so. I will finally point readers to this article by Simon Whitten, which deals with both the PLOS Biology paper and a naturally crappy Quillette article. medium dot com/@simonjwhitten/has-stephen-jay-goulds-the-mismeasure-of-man-really-been-discredited-f38ab6e50086 Incidentally, the Morton section is only a small portion of The Mismeasure of Man! And these pitiful. easily defeated complaints are the best asspained internet racists can muster. This is why racial science isn't taken seriously. It isn't the Jews, it isn't the communist conspiracy, it's because it's bullshit. Sorry, loser.

@genieglasslamp5028

4 жыл бұрын

@@wngbjngwwgk Damn.

Nice job stretching the video to 10 minutes.

@skepticmonkey6923

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, if he just left the outro out he cold have easily made a 7 minute video.

@amcat8015

3 жыл бұрын

@@skepticmonkey6923 there's a few parts where he essentially repeats himself, if those were left out it easily could have hit just under five minutes.

@alexfarmer7778

3 жыл бұрын

@@amcat8015 very true, and also if the video just skipped past the bit about the bell curve I reckon 3 minutes at the most

@rianharrington1505

3 жыл бұрын

@@alexfarmer7778 if he stopped using weird words he could cut it down to 1 minute

@harleyjudy2850

3 жыл бұрын

I think it was well worth it though

I think it’s telling that, even if we assume every claim that the book makes is true, it’s conclusion is “Yes, life is categorically harder and more challenging for some people, and as such it is our duty to make their life even worse” absolutely wild

@HeavenlyHavoc

Жыл бұрын

Yes, it seems the policy proposals were meant to eliminate these inequalities by simply eliminating the people on the lower end of the discrepancy. Dead people can't lower population IQ, can they? The stated intentions are just a way to put lipstick on the pig that is ethnic cleansing.

@vidareklofvonrosen2442

Жыл бұрын

A bit of topic but I have to say I love your profile picture it also fits your username

@eigilholm6979

Жыл бұрын

When I heard they were arguing for removing welfare for single mothers as a incentive not to become one my jaw dropped. What about those who are single mothers right now??? And what about those who did not plan, want or even think it was possible for them to become single mothers? What if the father died? What if the father turned abusive after years of a happy relationship? Those aren't any fault of the mother, and could not be predicted, and the authors of the bell curve decided that those mothers should be punished for that.

@jordinagel1184

11 ай бұрын

@@eigilholm6979that’s because single mothers are morally corrupt women because they don’t adhere to how good Christian women behave, according to Charles’ interpretation of The Book (which is the only good interpretation). /s, obviously…

@TwenOalley

11 ай бұрын

The naked evil of conservative politics

The Bell Curve. The book written for and by people who say "I can't be a nazi because I'm a libertarian advocating for a white ethnostate built on national socialist ideals."

@countdooku75

Жыл бұрын

Based

@Testimony_Of_JTF

Жыл бұрын

What

@tnndll4294

Жыл бұрын

A true libertarian would focus on performance in the market rather than just paper resumes or IQ tests.

@tnndll4294

Жыл бұрын

And a true capitalist would also invest in a business based on sales, ideas, and not the IQ scores of the owners.

@Testimony_Of_JTF

Жыл бұрын

@@tnndll4294 I think the comment is referencing "libertarians" who are just conservatives or reactionaries who don't wanna be called that. Libertarianism isn't compatible with fascism.

That's a lot of Sargons, jesus christ

@Enkarashaddam

4 жыл бұрын

Sargon himself couldn't even begin to comprehend how many Sargons this is

@namethathasntbeentakenyetm3682

4 жыл бұрын

I might feel sorry for him having to watch this if it was twice as long,.. maybe (and if he had to ofc)

@anzumazaki7798

4 жыл бұрын

32 straight sargons?!? he cant even get through ONE sargon sometimes!!

@GodsSmallestScrunkly

4 жыл бұрын

cant wait for my 48 sargons of content

@eboysix

4 жыл бұрын

how many MauLers is it?

"A moron uses statistics in the way a drunk uses a lamppost: more for support than illumination."

@al.the.

4 жыл бұрын

how about not being ableist? especially given the eugenics and denigration and marginalization of people with actual/perceived lower intellectual abilities... don't accept nazi framework, and use ableist slurs as insults?

@al.the.

4 жыл бұрын

@nihilismful first of all, you might wanna check if you're right before starting to explain things to random person on the internet - I might be the one with more knowledge... (but not native English speaker so ignore the mistakes) Now - a. you don't need to intend it to be ableist (same for every other bigotry) b. it doesn't matter if it's "outdated" when it's used, connotations are there, we all know. People alive today have/d close ones institutionalized with those diagnosis (all officially abandoned in 70ies, afair). People with actual or perceived lack of intellectual or other abilities are bullied with those words today. Those are never said in endearing way. So it's exactly the same as for r-word, but st**id also, when the principle is to not insult people on basis of their abilities, you avoid all of them, be it stronger or milder "case" ie c. don't use ppl's (lack of) abilities as an insult & indication someone is bad/wrong. It's always backhanded insult to anyone who's struggling. They know, they hear you. Decent people are being denigrated that way. so d. By continuing to use ableist slurs you're contributing to their stigmatisation and marginalisation. They are not seen as equally human beings! In these pandemic times there were news about decisions to let those people die, ffs. So many people is ok with that - hence eugenics/nazi mention. Out thoughts, language, attitudes, and consequent (in)action are interdependent. So maybe rethink this defense of ableism, learn more about the topic, and start replacing those words with somethig more creative? *these are *not my ideas*, not up for debate.

@m.f.3347

4 жыл бұрын

@@al.the. If you're trying to say that impugning somebody's intelligence is always ableist, that's a fucking... uh... well I can't say how I feel without upsetting you. Ideas can be unintelligent, as the people who espouse them can be. Nazism is both evil AND stupid. You have to have some way of categorising the validity of ideas and people or else you will never achieve any intellectual progress.

@NeoFryBoy

3 жыл бұрын

I am a firm defender of the word stupid. It has a clear dictionary definition and can be used very effectively in debate.

@authenticbaguette6673

3 жыл бұрын

al the al with all due respect , you are being a bit of a wokescold right there .. Some ideas should insulted and mocked because otherwise not doing so gives them neutral validity

Asking guys about their genital size is an invitation to be lied to, even more so than asking about their intelligence.

@technopoptart

Жыл бұрын

excuse you, i _always_ tell the truth about my speed and accuracy when asked it by middle-aged men hanging out in front of random buildings

@benjaminharmon6541

Жыл бұрын

I have a micro, so he must believe I'm a goddamn genius.

@Jayzonny

Жыл бұрын

might as well have asked them to whip it out

@MrBrendanRizzo

Жыл бұрын

@@Jayzonny Maybe that’s how he got suspended.

@Sage_the_Turt

Жыл бұрын

*cis

During my autism assessment-*shudder*-I was required to take an IQ test. The test contained questions such as “Which of the following movies did Brad Pitt appear in?,” and despite the assessment taking place in my home country of Canada, the test was designed in Texas. As a result, it included a pronunciation section (the college student administering that portion of the test said “PRONOUNCE-iation”) whose answers were given in American English, and I later verified that many of the answers conflicted with the official pronunciation in Canada. The majority of the test consisted of general knowledge questions, so that shit’s still going on.

@murderyoutubeworkersandceos

2 жыл бұрын

U shouldve been tested with WAIS-R, not some texas "american scientists" trash

@J.R.Unbound

2 жыл бұрын

I'm lucky my autism assessment didn't have an IQ test. Jeez.

@max-ud1xb

2 жыл бұрын

Ugh. The most ironic part is that IQ-based elitists are generally the same type of people who think celeb culture and Brad Pitt movies are stupid and useless and only consumed by stupid and useless people.

@WildlyStapled

2 жыл бұрын

Funny, if I was going to design an intelligence test, being able to remember facts about celebrities is something I'd take away points for.

@hazelnotxyz

2 жыл бұрын

@@max-ud1xb On the other hand the movies Brad Pitt is in tend to be quite a bit better than the ones other "main" celebrities from that period were doing. I mean with stuff like Fight Club or Ingluorious Basterds

I trust Shaun's opinion on phrenology, he is a skull after all.

@ThreeNinjaDucks

4 жыл бұрын

Marcus Byrd I mean aren’t we all skulls on the inside

@Canosoup

4 жыл бұрын

The real skulls were the friends we made along the way.

@Canosoup

4 жыл бұрын

@@blackieblack NOOOOPE!

@atomisedman6235

4 жыл бұрын

@@blackieblack You're really smart. I hope you're caught up on the latest episode of Rick and Morty. I have noticed a lot of people say it requires high IQ to understand so I recommend it for you. You know us high IQ KZread commenters have to help each other increase intelligence.

@atomisedman6235

4 жыл бұрын

@@blackieblack Play with star wars collectibles one must not

Guys I did a scientific study and I found out that I’m actually smarter than everyone else. If you disagree, you hate science

@Arrakiz666

4 жыл бұрын

@@PersonwhousesKZread You understand that saying that doesn't prove you're not racist, right? The problem is the method and ideology, not who you think is on top of the made-up biological hierarchy.

@PersonwhousesYoutube

4 жыл бұрын

@@Arrakiz666 I don't care about proving that I'm not "racist".

@nightandfayeify

4 жыл бұрын

@@PersonwhousesKZread Well, there's yer problem!

@KingBobXVI

4 жыл бұрын

@@PersonwhousesKZread - you seem to care a lot about who is and isn't though. It would put quite a dampener on your accusations if you ended up being one, no?

@Celedan

4 жыл бұрын

@@PersonwhousesKZread Why are you being so racist?

If people need some cheering up after a heavy subject like this, here’s another fun correlation: the amount of babies born in Denmark for many years was highly correlated with the amount of pairs of storks ☺️

@SorowFame

9 ай бұрын

Duh, how did you think the babies got there? We’ve known this for decades, ever since the release of Yoshi’s Island in 1995.

@thesleepydot

8 ай бұрын

aawwwww

@2HalfSandwiches

8 ай бұрын

Made me feel a lot better. Thank you.

@hihello8771

8 ай бұрын

keep denmark white. Ethnics dont care for wildlife like europeans do

@NanakiRowan

8 ай бұрын

@@hihello8771 The Nazis lost. Get over it.

Coming back I still would like to argue with eugenicists about the usefulness of intelligence. The Human niche has only happened once. Crab has happened multiple times. The new measure should be crab quotient

@christophergreen6595

2 жыл бұрын

The Lorb approves.

@BUSeixas11

2 жыл бұрын

intelligence has been shown to be related to many things we care about, such as income, school performance, and even longevity, so I think we should stick with it.

@christophergreen6595

2 жыл бұрын

@@BUSeixas11 cart/horse

@BUSeixas11

2 жыл бұрын

@@christophergreen6595 nope. The direction of causality goes from intelligence to those things. Just read Ian Deary’s work

@christophergreen6595

2 жыл бұрын

@@BUSeixas11 everyone knows high-IQ babies can hunt for themselves, lolol

“Pass the aux cord!” “You better not play trash.” *presses play* “If you test a relatively uneducated group of copper miners....”

@stevencleere4912

4 жыл бұрын

@jay everything in this video was well delivered, supported by data and logic, and very much not "psuedointellect" however you actually meant that.

@cheatsheet3325

4 жыл бұрын

@@stevencleere4912 "jay can't write" "Yeah but... jay didn't watch the video anyway"

@cheatsheet3325

4 жыл бұрын

But seriously, Shaun uses plain language and lays out his case in a meticulous and logical manner. If I believed jay had actually watched the video, I'd love for him to identify either the "Yeah but" OR the "pseudo-intellectualism" he claims the video contains.

@horticulturalist7818

4 жыл бұрын

But don't you all know that the right has a monopoly of Facts and Logic™

@TiagoMorbusSa

4 жыл бұрын

@@horticulturalist7818 Jay's feelings don't care about your facts.

this film is as long as 'star wars: the phantom menace'

@rusted_ursa

4 жыл бұрын

And it's already held up twice as long.

@justaboi4791

4 жыл бұрын

STONKS

@soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342

4 жыл бұрын

Just you wait till he gives us the Irish skull.

@Akbar_and_Shaa

4 жыл бұрын

Phantom menace slaps return of Jedi except for throne scene

@k.-flynn

4 жыл бұрын

Shaun uploads a movie me: Hello There!

this video was more peer-reviewed than the book itself ☠

1:33:07 "'It is proposed therefore to round this figure up to 70'... why?" Such a small moment but also somehow manages to show just how batshit crazy some of the statistical analysis is in these papers.

@fieldrequired283

2 жыл бұрын

You know you're doing good statistics when you literally just start changing the data for the hell of it.

@sixstringedthing

Жыл бұрын

I'm impressed by the boldness of it. It's not accidentally screwing up like the misunderstanding around heritability, it's not weaselly screwing up like using skewed factor analysis or p-hacking to make the data say what you want, you just... straight change the number. And then tell everyone that's exactly what you did. Incredible.

@timothymclean

8 ай бұрын

@@sixstringedthing Is it better or worse than reporting a study's sample size as the average IQ?

Tldr: "Is the bell curve a 'scabrous piece of racial pornography' ? Well, the answer is complicated." 2 hours later "Yes."

@danielludwig647

4 жыл бұрын

I have to give that reviewer from the 90s some real credit. "Scabrous" is a great and evocative insult.

@DemagogueBibleStudy

4 жыл бұрын

@@Alloftheanwsers A 12 minute response from some internet Nazi pushed out in less than 24 hours. Yeah I bet this has merit.

@Spunjji

4 жыл бұрын

@@Alloftheanwsers Why not piss off and let people make their own decisions? Do you see me going down your man's comments and spamming links to Shaun's videos?

@karoliinalehtinen6701

4 жыл бұрын

@@Alloftheanwsers Shaun might not be Marxist-Leninist, but that's definitely not too far off. He's definitely some sort of socialist. So what you're saying, maybe not Nazi exactly, but some sort of fascist? Yep, seems about right.

@karoliinalehtinen6701

4 жыл бұрын

@@Alloftheanwsers not Marxist I don't think specifically. Haven't heard him specify his politics, but marxism is not scary dude, facism on the other hand..

😳What if we kissed while watching The Shaun Movie?😳

@dylanchouinard6141

4 жыл бұрын

And we were both boys 😬😬😳😳😳😳😬😬

@robertcornhole5197

4 жыл бұрын

Now *this* is a slice of fried gold

@spacemanz4914

4 жыл бұрын

We’d end up banging it out... To the whole playlist

@gurkhajake

4 жыл бұрын

I mean, if you insist 😘

@jaredmclean2263

4 жыл бұрын

Jimmy L 😏

I felt so much relief when I realised that complex fields like Quantum Physics, computer programming, and maths were just learning basic stuff, the simple tricks that work well, why they work, and then just progressively combining and modifying those simple tricks together to solve more complex problems. I've just started learning coding, and the truth is you learn everything in an hour. The basic stuff is all it is. The advanced stuff is just learning how to combine them to achieve whatever you need, memorising the quirks of whatever language or platform you're using. Sure, it's actually extremely complex and vast, you could stick to a single subject and never learn everything there is, but once you have that basic foundation it feels so much more open. Even the best in the field are just using the same basic tools as you. I always felt very unintelligent, just completely unable to comprehend "smart" subjects like science, maths, technology. Now I feel like I could learn anything, since I really only have to learn the basics and then build on that. I think this way of thinking really helps people who have come to honestly believe they're just "dumb" and are inherently incapable of understanding anything "smart", those who are neurodivergent, struggled with school as kids, didn't have good teachers, and/or had a rough childhood that prevented them from learning how to learn. It's been said before but when it comes to learning skills, it doesn't matter where you start, what matters is how much you improve. And it's never too late to learn, you don't reach a certain age and become incapable of absorbing and internalising new information. People are surprised when old people are still actively trying to learn new things instead of stagnating and slowly rotting to death. What I'm saying is: We need to bully old people into learning Python.

@beep_the_foolish

Жыл бұрын

also we should strap a generator onto Binét's corpse and generate some free electricity, we put so much money and effort into eugenics that it'd be nice to finally get something out of it.

@tennicksalvarez9079

11 ай бұрын

Exactly!!!!!!!

@user-gs1lz2pw9v

9 ай бұрын

Putting everything thing in a geometric context, and working backwards from a whole helped me become much more logical. Half doubling opposites and rotation concepts really helped to. Everything is a process of elimination

@FloatingErgonaut

9 ай бұрын

I think everyone has to be allowed to practice in an idiosyncratic manner using concepts that work best for them, for sure. Your environment is often telling you that's a bad thing and it can cause you a lot of grief

@thesleepydot

8 ай бұрын

10/10 comment. 11/10 conclusion. you have my vote!

oh man, having someone so thoroughly dismantle such an insidious and icky argument as that present in the bell curve and then say "righty ho! That's all from me today" is really delightful.

@marcomartins3563

8 ай бұрын

Only people who haven't read it or that are being completely dishonest can think that these kind of videos disprove race realism.

@JL-dance

8 ай бұрын

@@marcomartins3563you people are cowards. just admit you're racist instead of misusing the scientific process. You're making a mockery of the very thing that brought us to the moon.

@NanakiRowan

8 ай бұрын

@@marcomartins3563 There is no such thing as "race realism".

@saikojoji4079

7 ай бұрын

​@@marcomartins3563have a better case than this 2h40m comprehensive deconstruction of your shitty ideology?

@sussyscylla3414

7 ай бұрын

@@marcomartins3563 Basing intelligence of race makes no sense. Why dont we do the same thing with liver size or eye colour? they are both as relevant as skin colour. Or why dont we talk about red head realism and tell everyone the truth that they are dumber because of a completely unrelated trait to intelligance. As the video said there is often greater variation in racial groups than between them. The only reason i can think it racism and purely environmental factors which can be traced back to racism.

"...using a sophisticated statistical​ technique called guessing." I died. 😂

@martinn.6082

4 жыл бұрын

MeebleMeeble ???

@anonym1168

4 жыл бұрын

@MeebleMeeble Nope, maybe talk with people outside of your bubble. We don't believe that.

@kazaddum2448

4 жыл бұрын

@thesatanic6 You mean some right wingers claim that? Let's just say I rather believe Shaun than another guy whos vid has a comment about how Shaun is "anti-white" upvoted more than hundred times, by a guy with a marble bust as avatar. Such people tend to make shit up to serve their narative. Seeing Aydin Paladin in the comments, again upvoted more than hundred times, certainly doesn't look too good either.

@SlyNine

4 жыл бұрын

Except it was called normalizing the data for congruence. In fact the raw data showed a greater difference between white and black. They included both in the book and explained it.

@SlyNine

4 жыл бұрын

@@kazaddum2448 so, your argument is nothing but ad-hom. Congrats

"Science is built up of facts, as a house is built of stones; but an accumulation of facts is no more a science than a heap of stones is a house" - Jules Henri Poincaré

@MsZsc

2 жыл бұрын

thank you woomy

@capoeirastronaut

Жыл бұрын

Ooh, nice quote.

@Modahan

Жыл бұрын

Nice. And, of course, as Shaun demonstrates, *some of those aren't stones*. Some are paper mache; some aren't suitable for building... and some are just coprolite.

@SuperMan-ux5ew

Жыл бұрын

Replying to save this quote lol

@scottthewaterwarrior

Жыл бұрын

@@SuperMan-ux5ew Just keep a Word doc on your desktop titled "Good Quotes," that's what I do and this one is certainly going in it!

Dear Shaun, Ever since discovering your famous "Harry Potter" video, I have been listening to your other works and absolutely love your takes and content. I like to sew in my free time and listening to you while crafting is very relaxing as well as informative and educational. I feel like I'm using my time much better now. So, thank you!

@reikochan0801

Жыл бұрын

@@n48_art sorry, english isn't my first language but thanks for pointing it out!

@reikochan0801

Жыл бұрын

@@n48_art Shaun's video about Harry Potter has 3.5 million views. I recommend watching it! :)

@stbananastein

Жыл бұрын

Literally sewing while listening to this. Crafty Shaun Crew!

@emememememememememe

Жыл бұрын

his voice is so relaxing that even though the subject matter is horrendous I weirdly enjoy listening to him lol

@munstify

Жыл бұрын

I do the same thing but with mining in world of Warcraft. Shaun has made me very rich in that game

This video sent me down the de-radicalization process about a year ago. I'm lucky to have had enough decency to be upset by the assertions of so called "race realists", but I'm also lucky to have had a place to go to truly see how baseless their claims are, a place that set me on a larger journey of de-radicalization. Thank you.

@sammyismuff

2 жыл бұрын

PS: Some may still call me a radical, but at least now I'm on the good side.

@Bridge2110

2 жыл бұрын

Look at Lasker et al 2019 to see direct evidence of these "baseless" claims. It's good that you were de-radicalized in theory, but I get the sense that all you mean by that is not that you changed your prescriptive beliefs, but just what you accept as fact, in which case, this video not being a good faith analysis of the science at all, is a shame.

@nutboy93

2 жыл бұрын

Thomas Bridgewater so many words and yet nothing said.

@Bridge2110

2 жыл бұрын

@@nutboy93 "This video is disingenuous, and here is evidence of the basic claim" is me saying nothing?

@regisglass5464

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bridge2110 apologies, but why would the video be disingenuous for stating it is fallacious of the book to source IQ tests given in languages the testers could not understand?

This is definitely going to get buried but it’s worth adding that - when the tests were administered to black South African school children under apartheid - the Bantu Education Act was still in practice. The Bantu Education Act’s primary purpose was to segregate schooling based on race (creating the exact same schools in KwaZulu Natal that were given the tests) and - most essentially - provide a completely different education to each school based on their race. Black students - quite literally - were not working from the same academic curriculum that white students were. They were being directed to the unskilled labour market, only learning basic arithmetic, gardening, sewing and Christian Studies, while white children were learning complex mathematics, science, etc. That’s not even going into the fact that many black students weren’t even being taught in their home language, but instead were instead exclusively taught in Afrikaans, making their already subpar education even more incomprehensible. All of this culminated in the student Soweto Uprising protests of 1976. Just the cherry on top of the bullshit results that were spawned from those studies.

@normtrooper4392

4 жыл бұрын

This is extremely important. Far too often South Africa gets touted around by racists as proof that white people are more civilised than black people and they just completely ignore the history of structural destruction of black people

@chrisp4496

4 жыл бұрын

I don't believe that IQ tests, even ones from that era, ever tested knowledge. Differences in education would not have affected results.

@daviddavidson9923

4 жыл бұрын

@Tara Lang how so? There were many sources with many studies done.

@witchsick

4 жыл бұрын

Tara Lang I can imagine, we have ridiculous volumes of apartheid history that foreigners will never know, sadly. The practice itself was only “officially” ended in 1980, which is ridiculously recently when you consider that we now have black kids whose parents’ entire education and designated living space were designed to turn them into unskilled farmhands.

@witchsick

4 жыл бұрын

SANITY IS FOR THE WEAK My dude, you wouldn’t have asked that if you’d actually watched the video we’re commenting on rn. Shaun speaks rather slowly, so I can understand why a 2 hour 39 minute long video might seem daunting, but you’re welcome to tap those top three dots in the upper right-hand corner of your screen, go to “playback speed” and hit 1.5 or 2x speed. Happy learning, buddy.

Me: *scrolling through Netflix* I don't think I can commit to a movie right now Also me: watches a Shaun video the length of a feature film

@SciFiFactory

4 жыл бұрын

So true. I have not watched a movie in months now, yet I gave this Video a go and watched it completely. @Shaun: I hope you are aware of your achievement and not (like me very often) focusing too much on the things that didn't go perfectly.

@SlyNine

4 жыл бұрын

@@devendrabutthurt just like your friend Shaun

@donaldbarrett4073

4 жыл бұрын

@Internet Explorer RationalWiki has him pegged as another alt-right weirdo.

@carolyntalbot947

4 жыл бұрын

@Internet Explorer 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️ What are you doing here? Do you really think you can recruit from *this audience?*

@izunahosaki6133

4 жыл бұрын

saame

By the way, Binét spent much of his life post Simon-Binét Test working with Simon (his close scientific partner) to improve the test. He didn't just quit when he released the test, he spent incredible amounts of time honing it. Towards the end of his life, when word got to him that his test was revised to be used for eugenics, he was very angry and called the tests "bastardized." They had the fucking gall to add his name to a test that was the absolute antithesis of what he stood for. I spent grades 1-12 in special education, so, over those years, I met and became good friends a lot of people who struggled with schoolwork. I can't even BEGIN to fathom a way to explain to you how much more there was to these people than their "incompetence" because they weren't good at what society deems what intelligence is. I sometimes think about my time in elementary school and miss the kids who enriched me so heavily. A lot of people just aren't well equiped for learning book smarts. With that context of my life, I think it's obvious as to why I consider Binét a personal hero. He was a trailblazer who led not only the path to helping kids with academic needs, but also ensuring that they would be seen as the humans they are; fostering understanding for them and their troubles.

@Bridge2110

2 жыл бұрын

Well, that's stupid. If the test measures for ability, then it can be used for eugenics (with the assumption that genes account for part of the score, which they obviously do). If it doesn't, then it's invalid.

@None-Trick_Pony

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bridge2110 He was commissioned by the French government. He stressed time and time again that it was _not_ at all a good way to measure intelligence, and that there were an incredible amount of variables that no test could possibly take into account. It worked well enough to identify struggling children, but using it to determine who is "lesser" and wipe out their genes is a GIGANTIC step that, even if eugenics is justifiable, would create insane amounts of errors. Also, much of the Stanford-Binét test was designed for the express purpose of eugenics, so much was changed in order to create "proof' that minorities are "lesser" (i.e. discriminate). That's why Binét called the tests "bastardized".

@Bridge2110

2 жыл бұрын

@@None-Trick_Pony If the test could find struggling children, then the eugenic idea that requires finding struggling children could use the test to do that. Now, if you want to say that test wasn't a good measure of intelligence, that's beside the point. Really, I'm just questioning your logic here. If a test is designed to find those who aren't doing well, and people use it to do just that, and then act on those people, that isn't the test being bad or bastardized.

@None-Trick_Pony

2 жыл бұрын

@@Bridge2110 I get what you're saying, but how good it is matters as the big problem here is a matter of scope. Binét's tests were tailor-made for kids. The bastardized tests were distributed to test people of all ages, race, ethnicities, cultures, etc. Those tests were designed to discriminate against non-whites. These tests were bastardized because they were made mostly to prove "Nordic superiority" and then exclude everybody else. The Stanford-Binét Test included questions on arithmatic, literature, etc. Those test general knowledge, not intelligence. Now remember that when the test came out, racial segregation was still everywhere in the US (where the test was distributed), so non-whites got extremely poor educations, furthering the uselessness of the test. The Stanford-Binét Test and its descendants were bastardized and not valid for eugenics because, unlike the Simon-Binét Test, they didn't test intelligence. They tested how good your education was. The Simon-Binét Test was already sketchy in terms of determining intelligence, taking it and editing it so it included general knowledge questions made it completely unusable to those without an agenda. Therefore they were bastardized. The Simon-Binét Test tested how capable you were in school, the Stanford-Binét Test tested how good your education was (i.e. whether you were white or not). That's bastardizing the test.

@fevermario

2 жыл бұрын

​@@Bridge2110 So your saying there's nothing wrong with sterilizing minorities, and the poor? that's what the eugenicists were doing.

I remember I had a professor who said the week after a test: “That test was too hard. The average was 50%, and there wasn’t even a pretend bell curve. It was almost a strait line.” A literal university-level physics test doesn’t always give a bell curve. NOT EVERYTHING COMES IN BELL CURVES AND ASSUMING THEY DO OR SHOULD IS PROBABLY NOT GREAT ACADEMIC PRACTICE.

@misaamane8091

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I recall multiple teachers at my secondary school openly admitting that too many people did poorly/well on a test so they changed how they graded this test. When I was working on A-levels, I had a teacher cut a question from a quiz because he'd graded it wrong, which meant that I got a lower grade cause I'd answered it correctly (this upset me cause I did poorly in that class and every point counted). I had a teacher give me an extra grade (4/15) out of pity to at least push my final grade up to be 4/15 overall as well. The grading system in general is rigged and teachers are fully aware. Tests are bullshit.

@user-gs1lz2pw9v

9 ай бұрын

Thank you gentlemen. Good day to you both

@Dekubud

8 ай бұрын

I had a teacher like that. Very smart man, but obsessed with making everything a bell curve to a fault. He was a good man however, considering he hated The Bell Curve more than he loved making bell curves.

@Dekubud

8 ай бұрын

​@@misaamane8091A lot of teachers forget tests are supposed to help them see how well the students understood the subject and how well they taught it.

@JaydedWun

3 ай бұрын

It is literally academic science? Almost all social sciences that study population with statistics will judge how valid their findings are based on whether it fits a normality curve.

Shaun: The Movie is here, finally

@basicindiebro

4 жыл бұрын

Fake Blood The Sheep and of the Dead better watch out, because this is the definitive Shaun movie.

@nathanaelwaters2509

4 жыл бұрын

Uno: the movie

@AzaleaJane

4 жыл бұрын

this is also my first reaction!

@malfegore_7043

4 жыл бұрын

Good thing it's December and I brought my peanuts.

@FuhrerVonZephyr

4 жыл бұрын

Wait, I recognize that fursona. Do I follow you on Twitter?

Me, as a college professor: "Oh, neat, a video about the grading scale? Not sure why that's a video." *clicks* "Jesus, why's it over two hours?" *less than a minute in* "Oh. Oh no."

@jeremydoerksen5988

2 жыл бұрын

That was a terrifying first minute.

@stanstreatfield3485

2 жыл бұрын

I give you an F for conveying meaning in an easily understandable way.

@A2forty

2 жыл бұрын

As soon as they start arguing about intelligence, me as a psychologist: oh God no, this book is totally wrong.

@A2forty

2 жыл бұрын

@Jesse Lee Peterson that is not what my degree says :)

@DavidLindes

2 жыл бұрын

@Talal a web search away is a linkedin result that seems to indicate that... you're basing this on... nothing at all??!?

It is really a miracle how people were upset at a book that recommends forced sterilization of people who don't get a high enough number on an arbitrary test.

@jonpaulcox4954

Жыл бұрын

What book?

@nikolasscheeks

9 ай бұрын

@@jonpaulcox4954the Bell Curve. the one this video is about.

@skeleletonboi4533

9 ай бұрын

it's like that jake paul movie

@lawrencehan463

5 ай бұрын

If you read something you don’t understand, perhaps listen to someone who does, like this video so coincidentally aids with.

@Jake-hc8rt

5 ай бұрын

​@jameslacoste9383 Correct, reading books like the "The Mismeasurement of Man" by Stephen Jay Gould does actually educate you on cognitive psychology as opposed to the book this video is titled after, which is propaganda.

I scored 148 on a IQ test when I was 9 in Florida. I was held back that year. I get irritated when people tell me I'm smart because I said something insightful. I'm a bus driver.

@jaceking5938

2 жыл бұрын

I feel you. but, to flip that, just cause you drive buses doesn't mean you aren't smart

@Notsoshady4891

2 жыл бұрын

@@jaceking5938 I'm told I'm smart all the time. I'm not sad that I'm a bus driver. IQ test used properly is to improve the education of the child, not to qualify you for anything. I could have been educated properly. I could have been a more "useful". As of now the world doesn't seem interested in elevating people to their potential, only profiting from the promise.

@GodsGreatest

Жыл бұрын

Well, according to the ' Bell curve ', you were destined to be a successful billionaire.

@marketwindfall1927

Жыл бұрын

Are you just dumbing down your grammar for us un lerned poeples

@GodsGreatest

Жыл бұрын

@@marketwindfall1927 where are you from? Nothing he wrote is/was difficult to comprehend for English speakers regardless of that person's education level.

This video is two minutes longer than the bell curve audio book

@alexsmith2910

4 жыл бұрын

A debunking sadly would be. Due to how explanations work take longer.

@jeremyoz2137

4 жыл бұрын

@@alexsmith2910 A fun word to describe the phenomenon that you mention is called the "bullshit asymmetry principle". The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude larger than it is to produce it.

@unblorbosyourshows9635

4 жыл бұрын

@@jeremyoz2137 Thank you for this new acquired knowledge

@ethanrummel7638

4 жыл бұрын

Could we get an audiobook version of the Bell Curve just read by Shaun in a fully sarcastic voice?

@MCAndyT

4 жыл бұрын

Is this true!? OMG, I want it to be true!

This video is almost 31 Sargons long.

@thegreensunsetgroup2501

4 жыл бұрын

I calculated It, now I know Sargon is about 5 minutes long, that was probably intentional.

@badsoup8857

4 жыл бұрын

and you can't even calculate the sources used by multiplying, because Sargon either doesn't include them, or just uses a headlime and ignores the content.

@fundude365

4 жыл бұрын

@Stanley Fisher To paraphrase the best line from a recent movie "I pity his wife if he thinks 5 minutes is an eternity."

@irisofrosebloom8741

4 жыл бұрын

It's 31.95 Sargons, to be exact

@willowarkan2263

4 жыл бұрын

@@irisofrosebloom8741 so 31950 milliSargon. Something about saying milliSargon makes me happy.

I have watched this video maybe 5 times over the years and "Crucially here, nothing is actually happening genetically on the earring front" (42:25) is a line that never fails to make me giggle

“In favor of Japanese people. And anime fans.” Is probably one of the funniest lines I’ve heard just because of how dry the delivery is

@hainiok7915

Жыл бұрын

What's the timestamp on that one? (if you remember)

@rywilk

Жыл бұрын

@@hainiok7915 1:06:00

@Nick-o-time

5 ай бұрын

Just wait until he finds out that those numbers are actually chinese.

@hailghidorah2536

5 ай бұрын

@@Nick-o-time The answer is D

Mate of mine increased his "IQ" by 17 points in a year and a half by practicing on IQ test papers just so he could get into MENSA.

@jhonatanhernandez3568

3 жыл бұрын

IQ tests don't measure your intelligence, they measure how good you are at taking IQ tests

@KingBowserVlog

3 жыл бұрын

@@jhonatanhernandez3568 false. IQ tests are prett self explanatory in how they measure each intellectual facet

@knockhello2604

3 жыл бұрын

@@jhonatanhernandez3568 This actually does make sense

@mrniceguywinkyface1524

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah you're not supposed to take it more than once, he basically just cheated.

@williamchamberlain2263

3 жыл бұрын

@@mrniceguywinkyface1524 oh he cheated, but measuring IQ once and once only is daft; it's demonstrable that the same person could get different results depending on external factors

I genuinely love how he gets so annoyed at Richard Lynn's study: "It's almost criminal, and if it's not a crime it should be." More people need to be this angry about scientific dishonesty!

@lich109

4 жыл бұрын

@Rudi Winkler Why? Shaun's not wrong. Two things I'd like to point out is that a number of arguments used in the video you link are emotional ones, and a lot of the sources used to try and disprove Shaun's points in those videos come from people who are either ridiculed or ignored academically because they're on the same level as Richard Lynn, and some of the sources used were from people who directly worked with him. In other words, the guy trying to debunk Shaun's video did exactly what Murray did, pick the first convenient source at hand and use it without seeing if it was intellectually honest. At least I hope that's what he did, because the alternative is that he knew exactly what he was doing.

@Agilaz89

4 жыл бұрын

@Rudi Winkler all your linked videos are either private, or deleted...

@lich109

4 жыл бұрын

@@Agilaz89 I've seen the videos so I'll summarize for the ones that are no longer available. Somebody tried to refute Shaun by using other writers from Mankind Quarterly, the same discredited association that published people like Richard Lynn, and they used discredited academics who did equally poor studies, or who had worked directly with Richard Lynn to help him with his earlier works. It was actually hard to find a single source that isn't discredited or tied into a fake academic paper, and the only one I saw was one where the user directly lied about the results.

@lich109

4 жыл бұрын

@@Teadon86 No, it was making the point that Richard Lynn and his colleagues lied. They lie about the results, and that's why they're discredited. Looking purely at race and IQ correlations tells us little, unless you think you can tell us why it plays a part when ethnic children in a similar environment to white children perform on a similar level, or why disadvantaged white children perform on a similar level to disadvantaged ethnic children. This is something briefly mentioned in the video, but it seems you didn't get that far. Your third paragraph is entirely wrong because you're acting as if Shaun is saying what he believes when he's presenting the arguments of the Bell Curve and their counterarguments when he's not. His use of Phrenology (a word you don't seem to know despite seeming to believe in it and it being used in the video) is also correct.

@lich109

3 жыл бұрын

@@Teadon86 Never got a notification for this reply, but the videos sources demonstrate that they do perform at a similar level.

Still can't believe they really tried to pull the "there's no history of white supremacy in Africa" bit with a straight face

If I ever submit a paper with incredibly sketchy sources, but claim that I will be proven “retroactively right” in a couple decades, I hope they throw me out on my ass.

“Huh, Shaun hasn’t posted in a really long time...” *sees this* “I understand completely”

@IrvingIV

4 жыл бұрын

"Because god has punished me for my hubris, and my work is never finished." -Brian David Gilbert

@SlyNine

4 жыл бұрын

@Mark Donald don't worry, their ad-homs will defeat his counter..

@FerociousPaul

4 жыл бұрын

Same lmao

@graccusbro2061

4 жыл бұрын

@Mark Donald damn the actual only counter-argument used in that video is that in TBC they use at some point the correct definition of heritability, but it still omits that TBC authors never use the right definition to prove their conclusions. And on top of that, the second counter--argument is basically calling Shaun a "bigot" and a "son of a b*tch". wow, very cool, thank you.

@TheGunsofblackroses

4 жыл бұрын

​@Mark Donald So his counter-argument is that they mention the correct definition of heritability in the bell curve and stops there as if Murray not mentioning a correct definition of heritability underpins the argument being presented here? Given the fact that that KZreadr accepted Shaun's definition as adequate, how is it that this KZreadr can, on one hand, accept that hereditability is only measurable within a discrete population ("within a group") and yet defend TBC in its attempt at using heritability across different groups. The point still stands that (regardless of whether TBC mentions the definition correctly) TBC USES the concept incorrectly in practice. I see in the comments of that video that supporters of this KZreadr like to throw around ad-hominem and strawman as cool buzzwords. This video is probably the best example of a strawman you will see as it intentionally doesn't address the actual point of Shaun mentioning heritability and instead presents a pathetically watered version of the argument that is (unsurprisingly) easily defeated.

Something about the matter-of-fact dry delivery of Shaun's many humorous comments fucking kills me . "Binet died in 1911, and has since spent the majority of his time spinning in his grave, due to everything else we are going to talk about today" caught me so off guard.

@Marbles471

4 жыл бұрын

Dry, droll commentary is best read in whatever dialect this is. (Liverpoolian? Apologies for my ignorance.)

@rhythmandblues_alibi

3 жыл бұрын

Liverpudlian

@nikibronson133

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂

@roshansanap2367

3 жыл бұрын

The Manusmriti (Hindu text) is the first text(ever) on racial hierarchy and IQs It is not only limited to ethnic groups and castes in India. It's a great text written in ancient India but heavily criticized for promotion of casteism ( but it does not promote it but rather scientifically explains it why it exists.) But if you read it you will find it's very true and explains the situation of world and various ethnicities and castes which exist. I would recommend it to anyone interested.

@abigailpulliam6996

3 жыл бұрын

..........,

When I was in high school I was really insecure and so paid $20 or whatever to do an IQ test so it could tell me I was smart. I actually ended up getting a pretty high score, but it was mostly math and had a lot of trigonometry and pre-calculus on there, which even at the time bothered me. Like, I'd just got done doing this in school within the last year or so, so of course I was good at it and could do it quickly. If this was supposed to be a test of one's unchanging, innate cognitive ability, shouldn't it be on something more universal or psychological and less like rote math problems you wouldn't even know if you were a few years younger than I was? Adding to that, math doesn't at all come naturally to me, so outside that specific school environment where I was doing it every day, the same test would probably determine that I dropped 20 points since I was in high school just because I forgot how exactly to order sines and cosines. At the time, I dismissed it because I figured I'm not an expert so how could I understand. In retrospect I definitely wasted $20 lol but it was an interesting experience I guess

@vanguard6937

Жыл бұрын

just wanna let you know, that wasnt an iq test, at least not by any psychologist standards

@jonpaulcox4954

Жыл бұрын

Bro you got scammed in no way is that an iq test lol an iq is administered by a psychologist

@ihabhatim5825

11 ай бұрын

That wasn't an IQ test. The whole point of the IQ test is to answer your question.

@kaciewolverton2692

7 ай бұрын

A real IQ test is administered by a licensed psychologist and takes several hours to complete. It is nothing like a $20 multiple choice test. The Wechsler Intelligence Scale is the typical standard.

I think chess is one of the best examples of how the appearance of intelligence is massively swayed by time. Certain people perform better in certain time controls, even at the highest levels of chess. Though Magnus Carlson and other great players have unified the Blitz (3 min games) and Classical (30+ min games) Championships, there have been many times when the reigning Blitz and Classical champions are different players because they have different strengths. If you only had them play against each other in one time control, one player would seem to have the edge, giving a false illusion of the gap.

@hansfrankfurter2903

Жыл бұрын

Very good point, at best IQ tests are a proxy for an ASPECT of intelligence. But even that seems a bit too generous to IQ tests.

@Echantediamond1

Жыл бұрын

Chess is already a brilliant example of how environmental factors can determine intelligence due to the best player of our time outclassing those of 50 years ago. Have humans gotten smarter over that small period of time? No, not enough mutations in that period of time have happened to make it that stark of a difference. What’s actually happened is that the resources that have been made allow for those amazing at chess to excel even further.

@isaacburrows8405

Жыл бұрын

@@Echantediamond1 it's also faster to learn from a book than to invent something new from scratch

@dodojesus4529

11 ай бұрын

@@isaacburrows8405 every following generation has the last one to built of of

@ishathakor

3 ай бұрын

@@isaacburrows8405 plus, now we have chess engines that can analyze your every move and give you detailed explanations on why a certain move is optimal or why a certian move is bad or terrible. suddenly training for chess gets way easier because we have the internet and you can play with anyone who is online and willing, rather than only the people you can physically be in the same room as. and the number of games you can analyze have increased substantially as well

Man, that talk on forced sterilization hit hard. I grew up in Alberta (province in Canada) and that was a reality for a lot of Albertans until the early 70s. Primary targets were Indigenous women. My mom had a friend who had been sterilized without her knowledge or consent. This shit happened, and not long ago.

@ancalyme

4 жыл бұрын

The communists used to sterilise undesirables as recently as the 80s here.

@herpydepth1204

4 жыл бұрын

@ancalyme that’s such a general statement lol

@herpydepth1204

4 жыл бұрын

@Filthy N'Wah what are you on about? I just said that the statement was very non specific which it was

@herpydepth1204

4 жыл бұрын

@Filthy N'Wah if you get that angry and start seeing straw men everywhere calling everybody communist and blue pilled then you should get off the political side of the internet for a while

@Julez60

4 жыл бұрын

@Filthy N'Wah just stop embarrassing urself. Cringe.

Lull me to sleep with your well researched debunking of racists, skull daddy

@silentj624

3 жыл бұрын

It's funny you say that. That's what I've been doing for the last few weeks. Lol

@berkleypearl2363

3 жыл бұрын

I honestly put on this video when I can’t sleep at night to lull me to bed. It’s just very soothing

@ccd5525

3 жыл бұрын

I wish he would have explained why Africans never developed a wheel. Must be all that racism.

@berkleypearl2363

3 жыл бұрын

@@ccd5525 because they didn’t need wheels? The terrain wasn’t favorable for wheels? They had better ways to carry things? All of the above? Who needs wheels that get stuck in the sand when you can just make camels carry your stuff for you instead

@ccd5525

3 жыл бұрын

@James Registe too bad they never wrote it down. Ooga booga.

Listening about how biased the different African test results were gave me so much second hand embarrassment. I've never gotten this much of this one emotion from a video before.

@MrBrendanRizzo

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. As soon as Shaun said, “surely they wouldn’t base their statistics on the results of a racist and segregationist white supremacist state, would they?” I immediately thought, “…They took the scores from South Africa, didn’t they.”

@hideousruin

Жыл бұрын

The differences are actually larger when the tests are completely language and culture neutral. The Bell Curve isn't perfect, but it's science is far better than that presented here. Almost right away Shaun blatantly misrepresents cranial capacity studies, equating them with phrenology. He even has the audacity to use Gould as a source when Gould was shown to have deliberately lied about what the study showed to support his far-left politics. Using that disgraced liar as a source establishes early on the level of honesty one can expect from this video.

@MrBrendanRizzo

Жыл бұрын

@@hideousruin Where is your evidence for any of your claims? Not only could I find no evidence Gould was a fraud or a far-leftist (unless center-left means far-left in your view) but the sources I did find suggest the opposite. Gould is very beloved by scientists; if he were a plagiarist or fraud, it would be known instantly and his reputation would be in shambles. I would also like a citation on your original claim, since anyone can just make a contrarian statement with no proof.

@yurifairy2969

Жыл бұрын

@@MrBrendanRizzo There isn't any. He's butthurt that all of his talking points are worthless and wrong, so he's attempting to poison the well so the debunks suddenly don't "matter" anymore.

Shaun: Let's say we take a packet of seeds, and plant them in fertilized soil in a controlled laboratory environment. We ensure that the plants have sufficient and equal amounts of water and light. Me: Mn-hm, mn-hm Shaun: And doesn't that sound nice. Me, every time: :)

@ajguevara6961

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed, it sounds very nice for my biologist ears

@steveharrison76

6 ай бұрын

Shaun is the Bob Ross of critical thinking.

@MCAndyT

5 ай бұрын

@@steveharrison76 THIS

If you listen to Shaun at 1.25 times the speed, you don't miss anything and you only need 80% of the time. If you listen to him at 1.50 times the speed, he sounds verry angry. At double the speed he becomes the Anti-Shapiro

@veganarchistcommunist3051

3 жыл бұрын

And if you listen to it at .75 he sounds like he's having a really hard time reading or that he's reading real slow for the listener.

@DrDrao

2 жыл бұрын

I've become so used to watching anything other than comedy and music sped up, that I had to speed up shaun past 2x to deal with his slow speaking. Great information though.

@sirmetaladon

2 жыл бұрын

*pulls up the Javascript console and pushes the speed up to 4x* ENGAGE ANTI-SHAPIRO POWAAAAAAAAA

@louisvictor3473

2 жыл бұрын

Gotta go _fast!_ *cue Sanic theme"

@avastepanian567

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I don’t speed up everybody, but I’ve gotten used to speeding James tullos up to 1.25 to sound just a touch faster than normal bc he talks slow, so it’s funny to me that Shaun speaks only a hair faster than James at 1.0, when Shaun is at 1.25 😂

Being a disembodied skull with sunglasses, I'd imagine phrenology is particularly offensive to you. Would be like being judged only by your appearance.

@MysticMuttering

4 жыл бұрын

Polybius it would be exactly being judged by their appearance

It's crazy to think that this 2 hour long criticism of Scholastic integrity is on the same web platform as Paul Brothers vlogs and prank compilations.

@ShinyAvalon

Жыл бұрын

Variety is the spice of life. ...And now I'm going to go watch kitten compilations. ;)

@sixstringedthing

Жыл бұрын

All it takes is a little tuning of your recommendations and you can basically pretend like much of the most popular content on youtube simply doesn't exist. :)

@arthurdurham

Жыл бұрын

I mean, you have books like The Art of War and ones written by The Situation from the Jersey shore. A platform is just a means to access your content, not always defining what that content is.

-IQ test questions are prone to cultural, and pop-cultural bias. -While also genetic, Intelligence has significant environmental factors when accounting for adoptive families. -Tests were conducted in English when the participants are residents of African countries that do not speak English as their primary language. -A significant number of the tests cited were conducted in African countries that were ruled by white-supremacist governments (South Africa and Belgian Congo) that has a tendency of under-funding education and medical care for their black-majority citizens.

@DTreatz

11 ай бұрын

Minnesota twin study iirc, adopting children had no effect on their IQ and their IQ was similar to the biological parents. "environmental" factors do not necessarily mean "cultural(i.e. sociological)" people tend to misinterpret these things, when it usually means "non-internal but biologically affecting" factors. Culturally fair IQ tests were created, regardless of 'The Bell Curve" by itself, the IQ is relatively the same in those countries regardless.

@CrusteanParliament

11 ай бұрын

- All twin studies roundly contradict your claim. - The authors could have omitted any racial element and the claims would stand. 99%+ of the book is not about racial differences. The authors accurately predicted the cognitive elite we see in Silicon Valley and east coast cities. Things have only gotten more separate because cognitive ability is far more important now that it was when they published. - All of us, including you, have met individuals who are smarter and the reverse in our lives. Pretending this isn't a thing is a childish way to avoid reality. Many people are smarter than me and it's not their fault or mine. This video is one, long-winded obscurantist gish-gallop completely avoiding the basic claims of the book. The nincompoop amazingly avoids the fact that ALL intelligence researchers, INCLUDING FLYNN, agree with the foundational claims of The Bell Curve, that it's not controversial, and that G continues to be the best predictor of very many things.

@benhaylock7097

9 ай бұрын

And everything you just said is completely disproven by the fact that sn individuals IQ changes throughout their lives or on any given day.

@thomas7365

9 ай бұрын

@@benhaylock7097 The ability to perform cognitively does not at all disprove IQ as a measurement. It is common sense that someone who is stressed, tired, distracted, or hungry would be unable to perform ideally on an IQ test. This can be controlled for in an individual or accounted for in a population. It does not invalidate the measurement itself.

@Sniblet

9 ай бұрын

@@CrusteanParliament "- All twin studies roundly contradict your claim." Source? When I put "All twin studies" into Google I don't get any studies. "- The authors accurately predicted the cognitive elite we see in Silicon Valley and east coast cities." Source? What is a cognitive elite? Who observed it? How did they demonstrate its existence? What is the significance of the authors of the The Bell Curve predicting this phenomenon? "Things have only gotten more separate because cognitive ability is far more important now that it was when they published." Source? How do we quantify "cognitive ability?" How do we quantify "important?" "- All of us, including you, have met individuals who are smarter and the reverse in our lives." What if I disagree? What bearing does this have on the argument? "Pretending this isn't a thing is a childish way to avoid reality." This is ad hominem and contributes or demonstrates nothing. "This video is one, long-winded obscurantist gish-gallop completely avoiding the basic claims of the book." This is ad hominem and contributes or demonstrates nothing. "The nincompoop amazingly avoids the fact that" This is ad hominem and contributes or demonstrates nothing. "ALL intelligence researchers, INCLUDING FLYNN, agree with the foundational claims of The Bell Curve," Source? Quote? Anything? "All intelligence researchers" also turns up no studies. "that it's not controversial" I'm not going to ask for a source here because I easily found sources that indicate this is simply false. A work is automatically controversial if many people say it is. *Wikipedia: "The book has been, and remains, highly controversial"* *American Enterprise Institute: "October marks the 20th anniversary of “The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life,” the extraordinarily influential and controversial book"* _Jacoby, Russell, and Naomi Glauberman. The Bell Curve Debate: History, Documents, Opinions. Times Books, 1998._ These sources are iffy: Wikipedia is Wikipedia, the American Enterprise Institute openly labels itself a "think tank," and The Bell Curve Debate was published in 1998. I expect better sources from you. "G continues to be the best predictor of very many things." Can you explain what specifically G is? If not, how can you know enough to make this claim? Is there a source? What does your claim mean - G is the best predictor of what specifically, compared to what, by whom? I am giving you an IQ score of 30 for this comment because I want to. I guess that means you're just irredeemably, genetically stupid? Sorry!

The bit at the end where Shaun shows how all these civil intellectual dispensers of truth are funded by Nazis is like the bit at the end of each scooby doo episode where they take off the masks and it turns out the friendly guy from earlier is actually the monster because he wants more money

@rugierro

3 жыл бұрын

That was the great thing about Scoob and the gang, by the end it was always revealed that the scary monster of the story was just a person. It was never a real ghost or vampire or frankenstein's monster or whatever, it was just man's inhumanity to man.

@jamesclark976

3 жыл бұрын

@@rugierro mans inhumanity to man is fundamentally human. Torture doesnt exist outside of humanity unless you count cats maybe

@franklee8478

3 жыл бұрын

Timestamp?

@comandantegorrion7271

3 жыл бұрын

@@franklee8478 It starts at around 2:18:00

@malum9478

3 жыл бұрын

"let's see who's reeeally behind this" *snatches off mask* "*gasp* _josef mengele?!_ "

Determining people’s intelligence based on how far they say they can shoot a load is as “bro Science” as Science can get.

@fluffynator6222

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like something a 13yo would come up with.

@alexroselle

2 жыл бұрын

“Nah bro, there’s totally a statistically significant correlation here! The *p* is stored in the balls!”

@thethirdchimpanzee

2 жыл бұрын

@@fluffynator6222 Hey, I can understand why - judging by these standards, when I was 13 I was a fucking *GENIUS*!!!

@ClaudiaNW

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexroselle This joke deserves more likes than it has!

@vaiyt

2 жыл бұрын

My iq increases dramatically if i edge

"Remember, the number one rule of data journalism is: come in with an agenda, and fudge the numbers to get your desired result." -Jon Bois

I love that the summary on the back of the book does that whole "everyone's thinking it they're all just too scared to see so" meme. It's like it was written by a 4-chan troll.

@thomasbeaumont8884

Жыл бұрын

Or maybe he set the standard for the 4 Chan troll

Until Quinton reviews brought it up i had no idea "choclate rain" by Tay Zonday namedropped the bellcurve "The bell curve blames the baby's DNA Chocolate Rain But test scores are how much the parents make Chocolate Rain"

@TopBurger239

4 жыл бұрын

i had no idea until i read your comment

@akikoivunoksa635

4 жыл бұрын

Holy shit I never noticed chocolate rain was so woke 😅

@Lightwolf234

4 жыл бұрын

For a meme song, it’s really clever

@fullmetaflak

4 жыл бұрын

Yup. Memes aside it's actually a pretty succinct list describing how pervasive systemic racism is.

@gustavgans9082

4 жыл бұрын

@@fullmetaflak Lol is "systemic racism" also the reason for literally all black-white differences in living standards dissolving once you control for IQ?

For mobile users 6:15 Intelligence 17:18 The Bell Curve 30:03 General Intelligence 57:21 IQ Tests 1:41:15 IQ vs Environment 2:02:34 Politics

@MrBossAwsome

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@user-mb8vw8ty4v

4 жыл бұрын

Gracias

@YajoX

4 жыл бұрын

Nice

@YajoX

4 жыл бұрын

@roger barron note that you talk without even possibly having watched through the video, stable soldier mindset you got there fam

@jase37

4 жыл бұрын

roger barron What? The video is over 2hrs long and has only been out for 35minutes, how would you know that?

criminology student here. this video was really helpful for my thesis, thank you very much!

@Tp_hedgelinghog

2 жыл бұрын

Remember to cite the sources in the description as well, if they're helpful of course!

@mnschoen

7 ай бұрын

@@Tp_hedgelinghog Absolutely do not cite a video on KZread as a source for your thesis. Cite the sources he used to make this video. If you cite this video, they will boot you straight back to freshman year, where they teach you how to determine credible sources from Some Guy On The Intranets. Love Shaun, love this video, and it's super well-researched. It absolutely not an appropriate source to cite.

@Tp_hedgelinghog

7 ай бұрын

@mnschoen don't think it's that bad, because this source works same way as Wikipedia of having a bunch of sources already.

@sedaazul420

7 ай бұрын

​@@Tp_hedgelinghog i ended up reading the actual book and citing from the book itself as an example of reactionary ciminology within right-wing criminology. It shouldn´t be a problem to cite a video, but it´s true that in some universities the teachers may hold prejudice to alternative sources, which is sad, because education should be flexible and some people do learn better from hearing than reading

The unintentional humour of the automated subtitles’ struggles to try to spell “Herrnstein and Murray” and the many and varied ways it makes the attempt gets me every time.

was feeling smart for knowing the answer to the japanese question until i got called out for being a weeb

@danielborza4399

4 жыл бұрын

works with Chinese too :D

@oight

4 жыл бұрын

yea i got in chinese too, it's a very easy language question for beginners in chinese too (and japanese i guess)

@lollipophugo

4 жыл бұрын

Well, 抜けている形を選択する just means essentially "choose what fills the blank" which you can infer with 0 Japanese; and since Japanese rips off the Chinese writing system if you can read numbers its gonna be trivial. His earlier chess position is a simple mate in 2 starting with 1. Ra6. I guess that makes me a weeb and a nerd. Thank god none of his IQ questions involved naming celebrities.

@QuinnArgo

4 жыл бұрын

@@lollipophugo I wish my maths professor would just accept that I solved these test questions

@jaymercer4692

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah same

The Bell Curve book: *exists* Shaun: *Unsheathes Katana* “Master forgive me, but I have to go all out...just this once.”

@Arrakiz666

4 жыл бұрын

3 straight hours of ORA ORA ORA.

@alepho4089

4 жыл бұрын

Horizon585 The Bell Curve is already regarded as a joke by most relevant scientists. Shaun is just reporting this state of affairs to ‘people’ like you.

@Arrakiz666

4 жыл бұрын

@Horizon585 Well, no, the scientific community tops the Bell Curve, the left-wing pseudo-intellectual just kicks its dead body for 2 hours 40 minutes and displays the process for our entertainment.

@ttlovepie101

4 жыл бұрын

@Horizon585 lmao he probably did more research in this video than you have in your life. Got to love random internet racists

@FS-ux5tx

4 жыл бұрын

@@alepho4089 By most relevant scientists?

I love Shaun's longer videos because I can put them up while I'm playing a video game and listen to it without worrying about switching it. Shaun's voice is just really nice to listen to

@averysmith9943

11 ай бұрын

Based on your profile picture I’d assume you listen to him while playing persona 3?

@benhaylock7097

9 ай бұрын

I would have listened to this video more than a dozen times from start to finish

This is an utterly essential document for several reasons. Please put chapters in it, even though it should be listened to as a whole.

@thesleepydot

8 ай бұрын

I second this

When I was in school, I was forced to go thorough an IQ test to tell if I had a disability. The result returned was that, while I clearly had a serious problem with symbol processing, my overall IQ was far too high. It is assumed that because I'm smart in other ways, it would compensate for my obvious problem with symbol processing. I was too smart to have the disability I clearly had.

@neomcdoom

4 жыл бұрын

Maxislithium Wow. That’s interesting.

@elapembrook3866

4 жыл бұрын

The IQ test I took in school, similarly, was very little help in figuring out that undiagnosed ADHD was at the root of my troubles. There are a lot of odd ideas about IQ and intelligence floating around that can easily screw over even "gifted" people.

@janicechristiedenton0451

4 жыл бұрын

Mine which was done fairly recently was much better, the write-up for the test quite clearly demonstrated I had dyspraxia because my spatial intelligence was much lower than the other three groupings, but especially verbal intellgience - it in short said that I was compensating for my lack of spatial ingelligence through verbal skills. It got me the diagnosis I needed, and thankfully the psychologist who administered the test knew enough to be able to say that - he said the difference in intelligence was enough he was surprised, but also in a way not - because I could argue my case to others, they'd never think "Maybe the person who cannot write and who has issues organzing themselves might just have a problem." And it's because of his comments and his suggestions I'm now doing a degree in history.

@gur262

4 жыл бұрын

I didn't want to do one but years later I took another test comparing various things, among those math and logic. 50percrnt meant average, as in average for my school. I scored 90 percent in math, but only 10percent in logic. At the same time my math note was 4-5(6is worst)

@ScotisticDad

4 жыл бұрын

@@janicechristiedenton0451 I have the same story but with a degree in business.

Shaun hasn't posted in, like, three months then drops a 2.5 hour video? *I'm here for it.* EDIT: Since this comment has received so many likes, I'd like to broadcast HUGE thanks to Shaun. I first heard of the Bell Curve from Sam Harris. I cowed to this myth because: 1) it was legitimized through Sam Harris who appeared to have understood it, and 2) Murray seemed to discuss his methodology clearly. I, as an African American with a familiarity with research, was ready to accept (and briefly did accept) the claim if the research pointed toward it. There was a problem though. Every single time right wingers used the Bell Curve and other race "science" to support their claim, I spotted deep methodological flaws, misapplication of statistics, and other severe faults in logic (I was in a few active right ring groups to hear if the opposing positions had much merit). I studied statistics in university, and I actually scored in the top 3% of the U.S. for my major, which was research intensive. But after an unbroken and uncontested streak of junk science and misapplication from race realists, some of which cited the Bell Curve, I decided to look into the Bell Curve myself (with my research background), and I was legitimately stunned by how misled I was from Harris, Murray, and me with my unwarranted trust. Shaun, this was immensely helpful in combatting a pernicious little right wing myth that's at the core of race realism and debunking a book pedestaled by pseudo-intellectual racists. TL;DR: Sam Harris is trash for not vetting and understanding the Bell Curve before inviting Murray on to discuss it as if his book is some compelling set of facts that the Left resists out of some misguided infantilism. Murray is trash for [insert 2 hour 40 minute video]. I'm trash for not spotting and questioning that narrative, and I've dedicated a lot of my time enlightening others to redeem myself. Shaun is NOT trash, and he is as cool as *buried bones* for dedicating a 2 hour 40 minute video to critically: 1) discrediting this labyrinthine network of malicious misreporting and 2) debunking a self-congratulating tome of junk science that proposes a truly fucking despicable bit of conservative and rightwing policy.

@saraza4977

4 жыл бұрын

Worth the wait when you get a movie lol

@RatteASKiller

4 жыл бұрын

Feel you bro

@lucydm6736

4 жыл бұрын

i mean like, a nearly three hour documentary would take many more months to create usually with a huge team at the presenter’s disposal, we should probably thank Shaun for all the time, effort, and hard work he put into this as well as any people who worked alongside him

@GoBooYourself

4 жыл бұрын

So what the hell are you going to do after you watch this and have to wait 3 months for the next video?

@lucydm6736

4 жыл бұрын

Bobby Bob there are other youtubers you know

The irony is some of the most idiotic things have been done by those that claim to use intelligence as a factor. Just like so many horrific things have been justified by morality.

@Gormathius

11 ай бұрын

Ultimately, terrible and/or stupid people invented virtue signaling thousands of years ago and are now projecting about everyone they disagree with being the ones virtue signaling.

"Eventually we stopped measuring skulls to measure intelligence" ironic words coming from an intelligent skull

@Demiglitch

3 ай бұрын

We can't say he's truly intelligent until we measure the cranium. He clearly has the brainpan of a stagecoach tilter!

The only REAL way people can test people's IQs is by looking at how many episodes of Rick and Morty they've watched.

@Arrakiz666

4 жыл бұрын

I love how this sentence is unfinished. Someone didn't watch enough episodes of Rick and Morty.

@Oners82

4 жыл бұрын

Jordan Boyd Being able to form a semantically coherent sentence can also be a good guide - hint, you're not doing too well ;)

@jordanboyd5587

4 жыл бұрын

@@Arrakiz666 Yeah, I basically rushed this comment out before I even looked at it, so yeah, my IQ definitely shows. Lmao

@Arrakiz666

4 жыл бұрын

@@jordanboyd5587 But hey, you corrected it. That obviously means your IQ just bumped a few points. It's like an instant gene therapy!

@IsaacMayerCreativeWorks

4 жыл бұрын

To be fair, you have to have an extraordinarily high IQ to understand Jordan Boyd’s subtle humor inspired by the Russian nihilists

For Whom the Bell Curves?

@commissarmethyst7564

4 жыл бұрын

For all the lives lost due to hierarchical thinking influencing and bending data.

@audiotap8332

4 жыл бұрын

this comment deserves a gold sticker

@OH-pc5jx

4 жыл бұрын

it curves for THEE

@bunnybreaker

4 жыл бұрын

For the racists.

@Flowtail

4 жыл бұрын

Each of our deaths diminishes we, Despite his claiming to tower over our kind. And our lad now observes For whom the bell curves; Truly, it curves for he.

To provide an analogy for what Lynn did when he converted the Raven Matrices scores into IQ: Imagine comparing Olympic baseball players to Olympic swimmers. The measurements are different, one points scored, the other time taken to travel a distance. In order to figure out how good at baseball the swimmers would be, their race times were plotted out in order of lowest to highest, and then it was assumed that the first place swimmer would get a similar score as the first place baseball team, and the thirtieth place swimmer as well as the thirtieth place baseball team. There are only like two countries that field competitive baseball teams, as there are almost no countries where baseball is a competitive, professional sport. This means that the bronze medalist at swimming was given an “equivalent baseball score” performing at a very low level, perhaps scoring less well than 6-year old children in America would be expected to score. Because the distribution was just assumed to be the same, converted into data that is borderline fabricated, and then compared unfairly to a completely different standard.

im currently dealing w prednisone induced anxiety/dizziness/nausea/moodiness and his soft liverpool voice is like a warming pad for my soul mashaAllah 😭

@Dotsetc

4 ай бұрын

Lol, hope you're doing better.

Shaun, I just watched the entire video. This video is yet another thorough debunking of The Bell Curve. I wrote a debunking of that book in college and graduate school over 20 years ago, using some of the same sources as you (e.g. Inequality by Design, and Intelligence, Genes, and Success). It's great to see a resource like this become available to the newer, social media generation. Thank you for the time and effort you put into bringing this masterful work to the public.

@clsisman

4 жыл бұрын

It gives me hope that people 40 and over are watching Shaun videos. Most of th time we feel like y'all don't much care what we have to say.

4 жыл бұрын

@@clsisman ok zoomer

@0Enigmatic0

4 жыл бұрын

@@clsisman Ay man, phrasing anything along the lines of "people like you usually aren't on the side of people like me, maybe you people are alright" isn't very cool. I know the ok boomer thing is big now, and you don't have any ill will, but it's comes off as ageist, and in a video breaking down the fallacies of discrimination we should remember to not see people as out group vs in group

@jaakkovuori9616

4 жыл бұрын

@MeebleMeeble Wow you really like copy+pasting your bs all over. Anyway, about the stude where people were raised in middle-class background: there are things that affect people that are not only controlled for by a middle-class life. There is a stereotype that asians are smart. People usually like things they perceive themselves to be good at. Therefore an asian, who is told that they are supposed to be smart, will likely be drawn to other things correlated with higher intelligence(with limited proof of them being tied to actually increasing intelligence.) We live in a culture where most people have different expectations for different ethnic groups. These expectations shape us, regardless of if people grow up in similar homes, whether we realize it ourselves or not.

@genieglasslamp5028

4 жыл бұрын

@MeebleMeeble No one deleted your comment you arnt that special.

HBomb: I'm making a two hour long video about a video game no one has ever heard of, I'm bad at the KZread ain't I. Shaun: Hold my skin

@fiercerodent

4 жыл бұрын

Wait. He has skin?! I feel betrayed.

@freyja5800

4 жыл бұрын

@@fiercerodent *hold my femur

@Michaela_ZC

4 жыл бұрын

Fierce Rodent He takes it off for recordings.

@cosmicjenny4508

4 жыл бұрын

+Fierce Rodent Not anymore, he _FREED HIS SKIN._

@cg1906

4 жыл бұрын

@@cosmicjenny4508 _FREE_ _YOUR_ *_SKIN_*

I cannot even begin to explain how hard I laughed when I said to myself 'lol IMAGINE if the African data was from South Africa' and then a few minutes later the data popped up and I just saw a line of five SOUTH AFRICAs...I was in DISBELIEF, like COME ON, that borders on fucking PARODY

I thought the title said "The Bell Curse." And that I was about to get a very interesting history lesson about a superstitious town blaming a bell for a series of events. This is great though

Shaun "...In my recent Steven Crowder video..." At no point during one of your videos can a previous video be described as recent.

@JamesIdentity

4 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/Yo5ppap_hdnUYbg.html

@sydneegalusha5698

4 жыл бұрын

I mean sure, but his scripts are sooo long and very well organized/researched/framed that it’s definitely worth the wait

@TheEnoEtile

4 жыл бұрын

@@sydneegalusha5698 oh I love his content. I just wish it came out more frequently.

@Spunjji

4 жыл бұрын

@@JamesIdentity A Nazi account called "downfall". How ironic.

@coladict

4 жыл бұрын

Well, his video was published in a recent year... The same year, in fact!

As Joe Biden said: "poor kids can be as smart as white kids". That's all you need to know to understand the thinking behind a book like the Bell Curve.

@tyronemarcus7550

4 жыл бұрын

lol

@Nai-qk4vp

4 жыл бұрын

And to think Biden is fucking *WINNING!*

@eagletanker

4 жыл бұрын

To quote hbomberguy “I am sure the electorate will continue to make the worst possible choice“

@willowarkan2263

4 жыл бұрын

@@Nai-qk4vp well he will keep the rich rich, including the people running the party and who make up all the major media outlets and those who have called the shots on eductating the populace, that is all that matters.

@Theo-gu2tk

4 жыл бұрын

Nai 2013 I mean, I get what you’re saying, but better him than trump.

This video was what pulled me out of the IDW rabbit hole in 2019. I hated hearing it at first and thought Shawn was being obnoxious and hyperbolic but I thought I had to be fair and hear him out..... I started considering myself a leftist in 2020. Other factors played a part but I really have to hand a big share of the credit to Shaun.

@eigilholm6979

Жыл бұрын

Not to be pedantic, but don't you mean Shaun?

@wawawuu1514

11 ай бұрын

IDW = Intellectual Dark Web?

@thesleepydot

8 ай бұрын

i understand how difficult it can be to change your mind to this degree, so genuinely, this is very impressive. good job.

@Dekubud

8 ай бұрын

Good job getting out of that ideology! Being open to changing your mind is much more valuable than being right all along from circumstances.

@MCAndyT

5 ай бұрын

👏👏👏

I was tested with a high IQ but considering how much of a struggle I had getting a degree later in life I don't think it meant anything other than I liked number games.

@brian8507

3 ай бұрын

Are u committing crime?

On rewatch I've now realised: if programs like Head Start are ultimately wasteful because it's pointless to try and increase a child's intelligence beyond their genetic limit, then why should the money be redirected to gifted children? Why would we try to increase their intelligence beyond its genetic limit? Any temporary benefits to the gifted will surely just fade over time, and the money would be better spent elsewhere, like educating old men in proper application of stats.

@xblade11230

2 жыл бұрын

Because education doesn't increase intelligence you answered your own question You can compare physical ability to intelligence Height = Intelligence Training = Education And what is the end goal? Achievement Olympic medals, championships = Patents, scientific breakthroughs, research papers In order to win Olympic medals, for most sports at an Elite level height is a BIG DEAL, especially if you get rid of all weight classes. The average Olympic male is 6 foot tall, thats 90th percentile heightwise. And if you got rid of weight classes this would average would shoot up even more. Likewise when you look at intellectual achievements you would see one common thing, most of the most productive smart guys all have high IQ or perform well on things that correlate with high IQ. The average STEM professor has 130-140 IQ thats a 98-99.6 percentile IQ So it makes a lot more sense to focus resources in training the gifted, Because no matter how much you train a 5'6" guy in boxing he is not going to stand a chance against a 6'6" boxer You could give the 5'6" the best nutritionists, the best personal chefs, freddie roach himself he is still going to get beat by the 6'6" guy Likewise you give resources to a 80IQ guy, and he won't be able to hold a candle against a 140 iq guy ----------------------------------- I hope this analogy makes sense In order to get Scientific Achievement you need Intelligence + Education But if you don't have the intelligence in the first place, no amount of education will enable Achievement Likewise In order to get Physical Achievements you need Height + Training If you don't have height in the first place, no amount of training will enable achievement

@allnaturalfigjam310

2 жыл бұрын

@@xblade11230 first of all, using the book's own logic your sports analogy doesn't work - their hyper focus on intelligence in the job market, success in the economy etc. means that even if you did focus on the gifted by their logic the effects would still fade over time. It's all wasted effort. But the larger point that I was actually (and sarcastically) making is that this isn't how anything works at all. In case you didn't watch the video, IQ does not equal intelligence and intelligence does not equal success. I would be willing to bet that STEM professors score high on IQ tests because they're trained in maths and critical thinking, practiced in language skills, and well-used to an academic environment, not to mention passionate about logic and science, not just because they're smart. And besides, the real goal behind money spent on programs like Head Start is not stellar academic achievement, it's to bring kids who are currently struggling because of disadvantage up to an academic minimum for the chance of future opportunity. Shaun doesn't really say it out loud, but H&M have a very clear "fuck the poor" attitude and aren't afraid to use dodgy logic to try and justify it. So my point was that perhaps the real people deserving of our help are the doddering old men who don't understand how the world works.

@xblade11230

2 жыл бұрын

@@allnaturalfigjam310 >the gifted by their logic the effects would still fade over time. And the same applies to training, the minute you to stop training your skill will gradually fade over time. Thats why head start doesn't last, because its just "extra" training and the minute they stop they go back to normal And yes Scientists are pretty damn comparable to olympic athletes in that they represent the highest percentile of skill in their craft. Stem has one of the highest drop out rates, and already self selects for the strongest students with the students that know that they are weak opting for easier subjects. And only a tiny handful will go back for masters, and out of those people only a handful will go for a PHD. ------------------------------------------- >IQ does not equal intelligence and intelligence does not equal success. And I have never made this statement IQ is a proxy for intelligence, but it is not actually measuring intelligence. Imagine if we COULDN'T measure height, We can still predict someone's height with proxies For example if we knew a persons max dunk height we could reliably guess someone's height with some degree of accuracy. This is what an IQ test is, we can't test intelligence, but we have an IQ test that gives you a number that correlates with intelligence. And this is why one of the most important things about a IQ test is its only valid if you are unfamiliar with IQ tests. So if you remove jump training from the dunk test, suddenly your guesses on what someone's actual height becomes more accurate. -------------------------------------- >I would be willing to bet that STEM professors score high on IQ tests because they're trained in maths and critical thinking Except they scored in the 140's as CHILDREN, and were never informed about their IQ scores. We have many long term IQ scientific studies of kids taking IQ tests and then tracking them down as adults to get updates. Oh and we have twin studies, with twins reared apart with IQ heritability at 80%, Twins reared together is 82% heritability, Fraternal twins is like 60%, Siblings is 40%, And adopted siblings is 0%

@allnaturalfigjam310

2 жыл бұрын

@@xblade11230 Are you... Liking your own comments? Dude that is thirsty. I'm not having this discussion if you're going to claim something so ridiculous as a 0% correlation of IQ between adopted siblings. Seriously, I know you're probably exaggerating but it would take you literally 10 seconds to Google that. Or maybe just watch the video - watch it on 2x speed if you like, I know it's long but there's some good stuff in there.

@xblade11230

2 жыл бұрын

@@allnaturalfigjam310 it's not correlation it's heritability r^2 , there's an entire wiki page on it Heritability is a statistic used in the fields of breeding and genetics that estimates the degree of variation in a phenotypic trait in a population that is due to genetic variation between individuals in that population. Studies of human heritability often utilize adoption study designs, often with identical twins who have been separated early in life and raised in different environments. Such individuals have identical genotypes and can be used to separate the effects of genotype and environment. A limit of this design is the common prenatal environment and the relatively low numbers of twins reared apart. A second and more common design is the twin study in which the similarity of identical and fraternal twins is used to estimate heritability. These studies can be limited by the fact that identical twins are not completely genetically identical, potentially resulting in an underestimation of heritability. Heritability for traits in humans is most frequently estimated by comparing resemblances between twins. "The advantage of twin studies, is that the total variance can be split up into genetic, shared or common environmental, and unique environmental components, enabling an accurate estimation of heritability".Fraternal or dizygotic (DZ) twins on average share half their genes (assuming there is no assortative mating for the trait), and so identical or monozygotic (MZ) twins on average are twice as genetically similar as DZ twins. A crude estimate of heritability, then, is approximately twice the difference in correlation between MZ and DZ twins, i.e. Falconer's formula H2=2(r(MZ)-r(DZ)).

Shaun while I’m watching alone: The regression samples were inaccurate because... Shaun when my parents walk in the room: Measured the size of their genitalia and the distance of their ejaculate.

@nowgo7638

2 жыл бұрын

wtf?

@tomsmall1244

2 жыл бұрын

@@nowgo7638 it’s almost 2 hours in

@puffinatheart5565

2 жыл бұрын

@@seanleith5312 yikes

@nowgo7638

2 жыл бұрын

@@seanleith5312 Just go back the Jared Taylor fanboys at American Renaissance.

@soylentb8085

2 жыл бұрын

@@seanleith5312 least obvious federal agent

*clicks on video* "You thought this video was about IQ..." "But it was ME, RACISM!"

For some reason, Al Franken's speech at the 1996 White House correspondents dinner popped up in my feed so I gave it a listen. Very funny in general, but I spit out my coffee when he said "Charles Murray, author of The Bell Curve, is here tonight. He's promoting his new book "Jazz: The Music Invented by Morons"." I am 100% stealing that line.

i've watched this video maybe 20 times now and "multiple stab wounds shown to shorten life expectancy" still gets me every time

@friedlemons5201

4 жыл бұрын

TWENTY EIGHT STAB WOUNDS

@TheShadowOfMars

3 жыл бұрын

Source: kzread.info/dash/bejne/lYVrrJmOmta4oco.html

@TheStoenk

3 жыл бұрын

You watched a 2 hour 40 minute video 20 times?

@pantheon6920

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheStoenk It makes good background noise for busy work. Source: I’m doing that right now

@daveogfans413

2 жыл бұрын

@@pantheon6920 Phew... I thought I was the only weirdo doing that but seeing your upvotes I'm glad that I'm not the only one.

"... of course this is biased towards Japanese people... _and anime fans_ " *MY TIME HAS FINALLY COME*

@kameyoriko8644

4 жыл бұрын

Found the weeb. The answer is D, right? I still know how to count right? Ni, Yon, Rok, Hachi!

@Avi2Nyan

4 жыл бұрын

Same, lol. Figured it's D: 八!

@Daniel-ht4wr

4 жыл бұрын

"Japanese people and anime fans" *Laughs in chinese*

@AndorianBlues

4 жыл бұрын

@@Daniel-ht4wr 哈哈哈哈

@xXRickTrolledXx

4 жыл бұрын

@@Daniel-ht4wr Underrated as fuck comment lol.

I'm genuinely shocked that apartheid in south afrika only ended in 1994. like, holy shit. you'd think it was a thing of the past, but no. this was recent.

@TheYolo20

Жыл бұрын

Haha yeah there is that guy that genocided a native american tribe so badly it’s horrible and that happend in 1860 you might say that that is long ago but it isnt. For comparison biden was born in the 1940 and that person died like 1880 meaning a literal genocidal maniac is only divided by one person to the president of the unitrd states. Also apartheid „ended“ in 1960 in america so it may seem. Biden, trump etc where born and adults during that time and the last thing. People keep on telling two lies. 1 slavery ended in 1865. It didnt. it ended in 1945 or around that time. 2. Slavery ended at all. That may be confusing but let me explainy Legally the law that gave every american freedom and so on excluded one group of people. Criminals. Meaning all prisoners are de facto slaves and can and will be treated as cheap labour.

I'm very late to this party, but I wanted to jump in regarding their second defense of their regression analysis that you discuss at 1:53:15. What they are referring to is called multicollinearity, and it is indeed a problem in regression analysis. However, as you can probably expect by now, the way they discuss multicollinearity is very much misrepresenting the issue. When doing regression analysis, you can add in as many independent variables as you want, and the regression will indicate how strongly those variables tie in. However, if you were analyzing crime patterns for example, if you included average weekly temperature as well as ice cream sales, you will find both are positively correlated with crime rates. But you can look at this simply and say "well that makes sense as warmer weather will also increase ice cream sales, hence those 2 variables are correlated and one must be removed." But it isn't always the case where the link is very apparent, and that would be very much true in this intelligence study. So their process SHOULD have been to include as many potential variables as they can think of in their analysis and then run VIF tests for those variables to see which are correlated with each other. Then they would simply remove the variable they think is less directly involved and include their reasons why in the justification. Their decision to not even bother testing other variables is like going to your doctor because your arm hurts and they amputate it so it won't hurt anymore. You should always be overzealous with your independent variable selection and then use regression analysis testing to make corrections. In fact, you will see most academic papers with regression analysis will share and discuss multiple iterations of a model in their paper before presenting the final model as they have to correct for multicollinearity, heteroscedasticity, and autocorrelation. This is something even introductory statistics students learn, so I think it's reasonable to say their book wasn't written for scholarly reasons or with good intentions for that matter.

“Has since spent the majority of his time spinning in his grave” I couldn’t stop laughing. This video is incredible

@Spunjji

4 жыл бұрын

@MeebleMeeble Cry harder, but ideally do it somewhere other than the comment section of the video that makes you cry?

@Karajorma

4 жыл бұрын

@MeebleMeeble i've got to love how you've taken the time to respond to nearly every single comment on this video but don't have the time to find evidence that you are correct.

@jussim.konttinen4981

4 жыл бұрын

@@Karajorma So you say that affirmative action is inherently wrong?

@treacherousjslither6920

4 жыл бұрын

@@Karajorma Sick burn lol

@FlaminFaux

4 жыл бұрын

@@jussim.konttinen4981 What in the goddamn..? Where the hell is your medal for the Olympic long jump in tangents?

Shaun is systematically dismantling Stefan Molyneux's whole shtick.

@somebodyonce5976

4 жыл бұрын

@Stay Curious Pretty much. He just doesn't want to see black people when he takes a stroll through his city's major district. In one tweet he took he claimed to take his daughter to see his old university desk, saw there were too many non-whites and women and pretty declared our civilisation as over.

@caramel7050

4 жыл бұрын

@@somebodyonce5976 non white people: stefan: I CAN'T BELIEVE THE WEST™ IS OVER

@joellaz9836

4 жыл бұрын

Stay Curious Is Stefan Irish?

@oddjam

4 жыл бұрын

@Stay Curious I'll give you a hint: it rhymes with trashism.

@AdrianCelsiusTepes

4 жыл бұрын

Stay Curious that’s the classic "just asking questions" technique.

1:25:10 I am kinda sad you didnt stress out how funny the description of the graph is: "It took considerable effort to transform it into a bell curve". Well if it takes considerable effort for the data to say what you want it to say, you're doing something wrong...

Murray: “I wasn’t motivated by racism! There’s no racism in the Bell Curve! Now look at this study we cite which unironically uses the term Mongoloids and was mainly conducted in Apartheid-Era South Africa.”

@racheddar

Жыл бұрын

Murray: "I am not racist. Neither is the Pioneer Fund, which was founded by Nazis. Who are you going to believe, me, or your own eyes?"

1:59:40 I can't possibly fathom how a man would come up with the idea, that a small penis is indicative of a large brain. What a mystery this is.

@marciamakesmusic

3 жыл бұрын

Lmfaooo

@arxf1836

2 жыл бұрын

@S E P it actually has no benefit. It's just a difference.

@xpusostomos

2 жыл бұрын

As stupid as it sounds, large genitalia is an indication of more testosterone... and testosterone changes a TON of things.

@ts4gv

2 жыл бұрын

lol

@alexandriatempest

2 жыл бұрын

@Pe pi A Narcissist looks down.

*Me on twitter* "Oh nice, Shaun's uploaded a video. I know he's mentioned working on this one a lot, so I presume it'll be a good 45 minutes or so." *Opens feature length film*

@inplacesdeep893

4 жыл бұрын

Hey now, Feature Length starts at 90 minutes. This is way longer. This is like a Peter Jackson movie.

1:32:00 being asked for things that you just don't know still reminds me of an episode from my childhood, where a language test gave us 3 options to describe things: 1. Repairing a flat bicycle tire 2. How to properly set a coffee table for afternoon cake 3. Playing the dominoes game I had never done any of these things in my life. I found it alienating that a teacher would assume such things about their pupils. This was a long time ago by now, but these seemed like antiquated hobbies and skills even back then.

Don’t forget the role of epigenetics! Sometimes the environment influences the way that the genes themselves are expressed

@hihello8771

9 ай бұрын

lol

@regisglass5464

8 ай бұрын

I actually forgot that. Really good point.

@anonymoussaga8723

8 ай бұрын

In their (very slight) defence, epigenetics was a very new science in the 1990s so anyone trying to write about intelligence probably couldn’t have known much about it.