Wonderful talk ! I am an open minded person and proud and happy to say that I am Hindu. I follow my religion and my Gods not because of religion sake but because when I prey to my Idol of God or a picture of a god, It brings my body physically, mentally and emotionally in HARMONY and in Balance with whatever Elements are there which regulates our Human Bodies. Can not explain anything scientifically but just through personal experience. God is a Moral Support when you need him/ her. We need someone when there is no one to depend on. Why we have different religions because everyone feels better by following one a kind god. We all are different so we all follow different gods. But pushing someone or dragging someone to follow their own religion to expand their religion in the world is WRONG. Extremely WRONG. Follow what you BELIEVE IN. That's my Way.

Josh Shailes

Ай бұрын

Not everyone feels better by believing it following a god as you say. The best thing that ever happened to me was being kicked out of the Jehovah witness cult. Now I'm a post. grad. with a few science degree and I can't believe how stupifying religious ideology is. Ignorant belief systems of convenience.

Antonio SCENDRATE GATTICO

4 ай бұрын

@Jessica Horton True. But to be fair, that's a big if. THere's a pretty undeniable correlation between most mainstream religions in the world and conservative views on society, focused on benefitting oneself and one's immediate community to the expense of everyone else, and the idea that there's only one right way to live and everything else outside of that is wrong.

Jessica Horton

5 ай бұрын

@C J Can a dependence on a god of some sort not be the brain’s way of depending on itself? Perhaps a projection of characteristics such as strength, courage, and capability onto a higher being who you believe in whom presumably also believes in you is how the brain depends on itself after all. Besides this though, if one’s beliefs bring them peace and do no harm onto others, then what is the issue? There is no need to invalidate other people’s spiritual views or bring them down for it. These ideas are so sacred to whom they belong to, and if these interpersonal views have done nothing to hurt you, the person who holds them, or others, then they deserve respect.

C J

6 ай бұрын

Why not just depend on yourself? Your inner god or your inner peace? Religion is no longer needed in this day and age. We can find peace and harmony from within. It’s all dependent on your outlook of things. Believing in things that hold no truth behind it is keeping us at bay as an evolving species. If we were all religious we’d probably be extinct now. Become more aware and stand for the future of our survival.

This is an important topic. I wish there was room for more diversity of experiences.

Listening to Brian Greene and the panelists here was an absolute profound experience. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and knowledge

A great conversation, and one that needs to be discussed. Thank you. I came across this remarkable book entitled "The Reality of Life and Spirituality in the Universe" by Marshall Vian Summers, that I think ties in well with this conversation. It actually goes into detail about how religion works in what is called "The Greater Community of intelligent life." and it is completely free to read online. "Religion exists in countless forms in the universe, from very simple tribal practices to practices that are undertaken by large empires and by large assemblies of nations that have adopted a singular practice. While there is diversity in the universe, there is rarely diversity in one world. As nations become more technologically focused and as resources become more rare and difficult to obtain, uniformity and singularity become the central emphasis and here religious institutions almost inevitably end up being tied to the state. Some nations become entirely secular, never having had a strong religious tradition of their own. Or in the case of being colonized by another nation, whatever religious tradition they had was assimilated and often erased from public consciousness."

SometimesInnocent

9 ай бұрын

@gman805 says a self-proclaimed know-it-all

SometimesInnocent

9 ай бұрын

@gman805 Please pray for me :-)

gman805

10 ай бұрын

@SometimesInnocent each mind can be considered a universe the thought of giving a universe a size shows how enclosed your mind is

SometimesInnocent

10 ай бұрын

@Charles Dunn Some good news at last !

I considered myself an agnostic until I completed grade 12 physics at the same time I discovered the Emerald Tablet. Learning that Newton was one of the translators of it realised that they're both describing the same concepts. I literally found God through understanding physics

TeorijeZaTrote

3 ай бұрын

@Jopsbek Excuse moa, 6oz of which substance my good sir ?

Jopsbek

3 ай бұрын

6oz

TeorijeZaTrote

5 ай бұрын

@Ed Woods Right on ! p.s. can u explain to me (and idiot whet it comes to logic) what made u change your mind since i also consider myself to be an agnostic? i mean what exatly about what u learned. Thank you. :)

Scott g

6 ай бұрын

@CHECHEN KAFIR - ЧЕЧЕНСКИЙ КАФИР I know lots of atheist. We do hikes every week. The ones who call themselves atheists do not have a shred. Many of us since we were children. The agnostics are usually closer to atheist than theist.

Thank you Prof. Green or whoever is choosing these meaningful and insightful conferences worthy of watching! Particularly this one on Jung is brief but with a lot of information. Thank you!

Matthew Hawking

10 ай бұрын

Okay, are humans wired?

trafficjon400

10 ай бұрын

I know all that information was great. especially the way she was speaking scared me a bit, i loved the way the entire conference went in a experienced creationof it. it seemed they were comfortable also. i was thinking about 1 word the one on the left used but not sure what it was relating two. some one identified the entire meaning of this talk show but found it also really nice like as if they were my parents wating for me to order them around!! lol but not sure about it. oh well what a little story it was pretty nice happy go lucky like..i saw one last week like this one and it was nice. my next door friend is nice too. we all have so much time like this .

Thank you to the organizers, the Brian Greene and the panelists for sharing your years of knowledge and research.

jacob yeager

10 ай бұрын

What are you talking about god dude like tftf

Christopher Myers

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for towing the company line!

potato

10 ай бұрын

On Mr greene's behalf, your welcome.

Brian, you always select the best brains for your programs. This was not different. Thank you for that. I am a physicist, a non-orthodox catholic priest and above all a fan of all sciences. I am a strong believer in "something beyond ". The moment you describe it, it becomes nonexistent. The moment you experience it, it becomes more and more existent. But, I do not understand how any one can say that something does not exists without knowing everything that exists. Science has not fully known even a grain of sand.

Juliannzzi Neilson

10 ай бұрын

Why would you want to be a catholic priest?

slkmic8

Жыл бұрын

@sara miranda galaxy - I live in AZ, I'm from Va. The night sky here is a BRIGHTER then it is in Va because of the city lights. I can see a lot of everything in the sky in the night. So when I moved here 6 years ago, the first big purchase was $500 Orion 8 inch telescope to show my wife and kids the stars and planets. Throughout the year as the sky rotates and different constellations are able to be seen, the Andromeda Galaxy becomes visible. I went out bought a Redcat 51 lens, attached it to my wife's Nikon 5300 camera and took a picture of the Andromeda Galaxy from my own back yard. Now it's nothing compared to the observatory here on top of the mountains can see or what a $1,000 or $2,000 telescope can photograph, but it's what I was able to see with my own stuff. Where should I send it to?

slkmic8

Жыл бұрын

@sara miranda why didn't you answer the god question first at least before you ask me something. Why would you think I would answer your question, if out of respect you don't answer mine that was put to yours first? You asking that type of question tells me you undermine who investigates crimes, murders, car accidents, medical situations, computer problems....those same type of people, investigate using evidence, people, locations, samples, equipment, footage, pictures, blood, saliva, dna, etc. How you go from God and devil to pyramids being built 6,000 yr ago....

sara miranda

Жыл бұрын

@slkmic8 who filmed the dinosaurs, the construction of the Egyptian pyramids earth rotation, the gravity, the galaxies. Show me one single real picture of galaxies!! Don't tell me that you believe that Egyptian pyramid were build 6 thousands ago?

Gábor

Жыл бұрын

"I do not understand how anyone can say that something does not exists without knowing everything that exists." By that logic any stupid thing can exist, like Santa Claus, Harry Potter, etc. Let's invert the question. How can anyone say that something exists without knowing everything that exists?

Zoran Josipovic ❤ Was the gold in this wonderful discussion. Speaking so clearly and articulate about consciousness and the experience. I have had the experience and I can manage it now again and again in my meditation but could never find words to explain all of this in words so well like he did. And I read many trying to explain consciousness but never before was such an attempt made. Now have to read more of his books and research. Nice discovery for me today. Thanku Sir Brian Greene. You are not just a Physics hero but more.

Simon Sharp

3 ай бұрын

I wish they had given him more time than the others. Whilst their theories and hypothesies are all very interesting it's clearly not on the level he has worked on - actually treat consciousness seriously as a phenomenon rather than an intellectual abstraction..which is what the others are basically doing.

SquareRootOf2

10 ай бұрын

Sir??? How about His Lordship, Viscount Greene?

At the root of all this are questions. They are the purest form of curiosity. I have found that a great way to tap into the conciseness of the universe and beings within it, is to lay in a dark quiet room and ask questions. When we ask questions we are by default listening instead of thinking. And we can listen with our minds just like we listen with our ears. Ask a question. Did you hear an answer? Did you feel an emotion? Where did those come from? Are the answers or feelings anything you could have possibly ever thought of individually? Congratulations. You are possibly talking to the universe or other beings within just like us, maybe non physical though. Ask if it is the universe. Ask if it's something/someone else. Ask who you are talking to. Ask specific questions. When you're connected, you can have a conversation. It is absolutely profound. Nikola Tesla talked about this exact thing. He said he would get information from an external source then work out the mechanics of the concept(s) in his mind, then build it in physical reality. I have done this. I do this. Many others do as well. Most of us do it daily and don't even realize it. Consciously realizing that you are connected, is a profound experience. I think this is what people have experienced when they say they have felt God come into their lives. And I love what the Dalai Lama said. I've come to the same conclusion. When reaching into the depths of science and combining that with an amazing first hand personal experience, I have come to the conclusion that the universe is a conscious being, and that all things in it are conscious as well. The reason there is something instead of nothing, is becasue of the universe's conscious intent to explore and understand itself. And that it is consciousness which holds together pockets of low entropy, where things like the equations of classic physics hold true as long as that consciousness holds those areas together. Without science we could not create the things we do in this particular pocket of low entropy. But without the consciousness of the universe, it would not exist to begin with. And then there's free will... The universe intentionally gave us a free will, so that we could help it explore itself and ourselves at the same time. Over billions of years, we too can become creators of universes. In a sense, we can catch up with the universe's rate of creation and understand it in it's entirety. At that point, there is nothing left to learn or explore here, so we create our own universe to continue learning and exploring. And the universe wants that for us. It encourages to become co creators. That's why, although exploration is very hard, it is rewarded greatly in many different forms.

I think as soon as our senses develop enough to be reliable we start creating filters and we spend the rest of our lives creating filters because there's just too much out there if you didn't you'd be overwhelmed by it all and I think it would be interesting to be able to actually handle it all and not have to have to fabricate behaviors or state of mind that would have the propensity to reject it instead of perceiving it because I think that goes against our curious nature and it seems unnatural but I think definitely necessary in the chaotic world we created for ourselves.

Brilliant conversation, was especially impressed by Zoran Josipovic the best explanation about consciousness I have ever heard. Thank you Brian Greene bringing this group together

Jan Willem v.d. Gronden

10 ай бұрын

@Rudy van der Hoeven Hey mate, why call names? I'm neither an "azijnzijker" nor am I dissing your wish to express yourself. I'm not asking you a gotcha question but a sincere reference point of the thing that impressed you. And if you just want to express your delight for the sake of it, by all means, have at it. If you want to share your experience with your fellow youtubers, share either a quote (doesn't have to be verbatim, just your take on it) or a timestamp for us to go to and share in your delight! This series is about enlightenment, not closing curtains. But most of all, do whatever you feel is right.

Rudy van der Hoeven

10 ай бұрын

@Jan Willem v.d. Gronden You might be right, my comment was an expression of enjoyment that I wanted to share. There always be azijnzijkers

Jan Willem v.d. Gronden

10 ай бұрын

@Rudy van der Hoeven uhm, yes?! It simply is YT courtesy to refer to the actual moment in the video so we can share in your enjoyment. Moreover, it is required for us to understand which part made you so happy; otherwise it renders your comment utterly meaningless

Rudy van der Hoeven

10 ай бұрын

@Jan Willem v.d. Gronden you ask me to go through the video again just to find a nice quote?

Jan Willem v.d. Gronden

10 ай бұрын

Can you share a timestamp or a quote? Thanks!!

I've spent the last 2 years searching for answers to questions purpose, meaning, reason, and spirituality through physics, philosophy, ideology. I got to obsessed with trying to find answers while going through some sort of midlife crisis...often losing track of whats truly important in my life. Now, all i seek is to get rid of this tension in my 💀&❤. I can only assume this has happened to at least some other ppl too. I wish I could give advice, but I can't. Well, maybe 1 thing...connection is good.

Christopher Myers

10 ай бұрын

@Ben Walker Cavendish experiment LOL! People believe in gravity which cannot be observed, but don't believe in God which has been observed. I don't know where these physicists get their logic?

Christopher Myers

10 ай бұрын

Jesus! He's the answer, he won't give you everything you want, but he will give you the truth and what you need.

Ben Walker

10 ай бұрын

@Logan Williams it depends what you mean by "reason". If we are talking "purpose" like, what's the point of life, then it seems to me that there's not necessarily a purpose given by the entire universe, but we are part of the universe experiencing itself, so that experience isn't necessarily pointless either, it just is what it is. Our life is useful just like gravity is useful. We experience the world because the universe couldn't experience otherwise. We may as well make our experiences, and everyone else's as pleasant as possible.

Logan Williams

10 ай бұрын

I think the reason for life is only to gather information through sensors like smell and taste sensors being so similar

Ben Walker

10 ай бұрын

@trafficjon400 elaborate about what? I commented about 6 different things

Really enjoyed this open forum discussion. Glad the set up was entertaining too. Had to watch a few times as all the effort into precise and carful wording had my brain going in circles for a sec. You can really see the care, attention, and dedication of these peoples work in the way they talk about what they know.

trafficjon400

10 ай бұрын

Ya they know about as much as any one i ever knew taking wiled gusses like my dead dog duke especially

trafficjon400

10 ай бұрын

OOOHH YES !! they are so much on target about things. i like concerts and picking apples . but i hope these people don't get my master mad at me and sends me to hate's. but he won't he is keeping all his humans and the next life after death will be the greatest we can not fathom . dying sucks roting wood pecker eggs and painful for lots of people. but many see a great comfort when dead for more than 3 minutes coming awake to explain it nuch later to help keep thier sanity check.

I would have lived to hear Zoran speak some more. I will definitely be looking into more of his work. Great discussion! Thanks for posting

It is hard to believe such intelligent people don't see the larger picture of the cosmos and what is inside each man. It is in my opinion their view is too small and bares some blindness regarding the universe.

Kara Pipkin

5 ай бұрын

@Idellphany WHAT A SOLUTION ORIENTED APPROACH, LOL THAT IS. BETTER THAN UNDERSTANDING THE BIG PICTURE OR BEING STUBBORNLY AFRAID AND HESITANTLY AMBIVALENT.

Aswintha Goedendorp

6 ай бұрын

I agree and I did notice that for some their own atheism makes them state things wich would be very interesting for this discussion. Like when she talks about the orka's or whales living in groups taking care of eachother without God. But maybe they do because of God/universe/energy. The 'we are spiritual beings living a human experience instead of human beings having spiritual experiences' statement is probably one that would make her skin crawl 😁 thought-provoking discussion tough and very interesting to have it laid out like this..

Idellphany

8 ай бұрын

Lol wow

martyn Radford

9 ай бұрын

No, it isn't. They just gave up looking when they heard what they wanted and settled for that. Maybe that was a big part of what gave them the impetus to become so learned and in turn, tell others what 'they want'. But sounding clever like. While it lulls me to 😴. 👍.

1:14:16 what a beautiful and inquisitive question and what a downer of a response by the panel except for only one who understood the thought experiment. Mr. Greene never fails to impress me, including his follow up questions which are instrumental to the quality of the conversation! The end is very telling: they all come down with a bad case of materialism except for Zoran Josipovic I woke up too the last chapters of this conversation and thanks to Mr Zoran Josipovic i'm eager to rewatch it in it's entirety!

I would've liked to hear more about that third guy is he a neuroscientist? Cuz what he briefly said about our brains reacting and observing and how they're distinctly different was fascinating.

Stones Jones

4 ай бұрын

Exactly. And his demeanour (juxtapozed to the curly dude, who speaks with bias and arrogance) was nice and humble.

Amazing 67 minutes of intelectual experience- WOW! We need more of such events in the current world

Rick Kikta

10 ай бұрын

77 minutes.

Sam Featherstone

Жыл бұрын

Need more debates to be considered intellectual to other things like politics and we will be the most informed electorate in history, maybe not the Annunaki.

I think that the Supernatural is nothing more than, a becoming aware of, a broader understanding of Source Consciousness that we were previously unaware of or able to encompass.

Great hand gestures! Brians got a great technique to keep the audience focused as he conveys his thoughts!

I like how they can explain our existence as a human race. Just knowing how things work and operates in the world from nature to the human race and broken down scientifically to understand the depth of our vary existence. This in it self proves their was thought in what was created by a creator. Everything created ties in to each other with purpose and value. Let's just say the big bang started all this, what's the value and point of all that exists?! How can someone that happens by accident have so much natural organized order as something simple as just man and women by itself serving the purpose of reproduction to create another human being! The fact is we as a human race created science to understand the world and all that's in it and GOD have us the ability to be able to understand this knowledge and information. You don't have to be a scientist to see all the things around you has been made by a creator and not made by some accidental force from nothingness. Theirs to much detail all around you for this theory alone! Saying that out loud sounds more crazy to me lol, as I'm sure to some of you it sounds crazy for someone to believe in a spiritual living being called GOD who created all things!

Jeremy Rude

10 ай бұрын

Exactly The article squirrel is one that definitely proves creation rather than Big Bang theries. It’s heartbeat slows down to 1 time every 6 minutes when it hibernates during the winter. Imagine how hard it would be for them to survive if they had to look for food all winter in Alaska. There are many animals which were created for their environment. I’m sure they would argue that the animals adapted to the environment though.

Charles Dunn

10 ай бұрын

That is why 'they' tac billion's of years on their story or start off ' millions'of years age'....

What interested and very profound ideas have been discussed here, really a wonderful conversation, I thank the algorithms or god :) for bringing me here

Spiritual ( soul) vs human knowledge ( mind) - can’t be compared. One will always remain limited by the analytical boundaries

I don't know if this discussion emphasizes enough the fact that science itself needs to make plenty of assumptions in order for its theories to work, especially when it comes to consciousness and the fine-tuning found in the universe.

SinHurr

5 ай бұрын

@Kami Rey Vegas It's the rain puddle explanation that kills it quite readily. A pothole exists in the road. When it rains, the puddle that forms in it might think "ah this hole was made just for me." Which is silly on its face. Same idea about the fine tuning argument. If things were different, things would be different and we either wouldn't be here at all to care, or we'd be in another form possibly, but hopefully not, asking the same silly question decades after it should have been discarded.

Charles Dunn

10 ай бұрын

​@Joe Buck your science is nothing but a spec of dust to how this creation was conceived

If one delves deep enough, they may come to the conclusion that while there may be 33,000 denominations, they tend to have common roots. My conclusion is that there is no right or wrong way to be awe inspired by the magnificence of this universe, and that fascination is akin to 'worshipping' The All.

Depressedasfook

11 ай бұрын

There is no right way but there are definitely wrong ones. Any belief that requires you to punish others is inherently wrong

I don't think this talk went the way that Brian wanted it to go, but it was still thoughtful in its own way.

About religion disappearing: that perception overlooks human frailties and the general denial of the perception boundaries that human beings have. That is especially true of almost all physicists. You definitely, Brian.

I'm not as interested in concepts of social cohesion and death anxiety as I am in what the endocrine system and neurotransmitters are up to. It was a good discussion, though, with some interesting perspectives. I hope people keep talking about this.

Great panel! I really connected the most with Lisa Barrett. The development of consciousness did bring about a conflict in the human mind that causes a lot of energy (which comes in many forms). The creation of religion is a huge way to resolve this conflict. But we now need to see if the detriments of religion out way the benefits. Look into Jeremy Griffith’s work which he states there instinct vs. intellect struggle going on in our minds. Absolutely brilliant!!

Dear Brian, thank you very much for providing this and many other amazing videos. I have a question regarding the part where the possible connections between mortality and religiosity were discussed. Have any evidences of a correlation between the ease of life in a time period and signs of religiosity/spirituality of our ancestors in the same period been found so far? My thoughts from which this question arises are 1- I assume that mortality or awareness of it becomes a source of fear only once it is interpreted as unpleasant and negative. The fear in turn can lead to ideas (e.g., religion) which try to lessen the pain and fear and uncertainty. 2- some other animals show symptoms of morning, yet don’t seem to be aware of the other aspects we humans associate with mortality. Can this be explained by survival and natural selection? I mean, other animals still have a much harder time surviving than we humans. So to say, they have more vital problems to solve than wondering about the cosmos. Is it possible that for the brain to become sophisticated enough to get aware of mortality, interpret it as a source of fear, and thus try to come up with comforting thoughts about it, it needs to be “safe enough” (in a collective sense) over a significant time span? Put differently, would we humans (or our ancestors) have been capable of such spiritual thoughts- such as religion - if we wouldn’t have had time for non-survival-relevant activities?

A Hegarty

10 ай бұрын

I appreciate your point. Religion is a social construct with several bases: helping people understand the purpose of life or the "why" of consciousness but it also serves to impose social order. While, it may also offer some people a sense of belonging, and resources for mourning and dealing with life's stresses, it has also had a deep influence on politics that have not been in the best interest of humanity. I actually had a lot of difficulty with how the program itself was written including the types of questions asked, and the number of times some panelists answered as opposed to others. This panel discussion from a critical lens was problematic and I think partially because of varied views of religion and confusion between spirituality and religion. If you want to get to the answer about why humans have to "believe," ask the right questions. It may have benefited to set up the premise by grounding in the concept of spirituality, as opposed to religion: why is it that humans seek to understand the "why" of consciousness (why am I here, what purpose do all life and matter serve, etc.) and the neuroscience and evolution of the concept itself and how people are engaging at present time in the concept. Throwing the term religion was a little confusing. The beginning of the program was off and the end was really off. Personifying aliens, really?

Peter Block

10 ай бұрын

It all depends on the depth of experience of their spirituality @Nehpets Rellek. Shallow people are only at the level of tribal loyalty -> so slugfest.

Jesse Meeks

10 ай бұрын

keep your lamps full My brothers and sisters the time is near the veil is being lifted and most people can't even see it awake My brothers and sisters pick up your swords and arm your selves with God's protection 1111 144

Redneck Shaman

10 ай бұрын

I'm addicted to pigger nussy 🤠

I believe that the various beliefs, not necessarily in supernatural forces, have led people to cooperate in large numbers, or to be united, in the name of the same faith, to identify themselves as belonging to the same group. This fact caused them to generate large tribes, then states, empires ... or to accomplish special things. I believe that faith has led a large number of people to be persuaded to go in the same direction.

A reporter was interviewing a famous mythologist, asking whether myths are "true". The reporter struggled to understand the answer. The mythologist's young daughter, hovering around her mythologist Dad, as children do. The reporter acknowledged her by asking her if she thought myths are true. The girl thought for a moment, and said, "myths are false on the outside, and true on the inside."

jacob yeager

10 ай бұрын

@eppurse drugs

eppurse

10 ай бұрын

@jacob yeager Then why do we create them? What are the sources?

jacob yeager

10 ай бұрын

Myths are myths

Kathryn Brinton

11 ай бұрын

Thank you for sharing this. Such a succinctly powerful way of explaining myth. One could use the same definition for great literature!

That very last question just to pinker, who acknowledged its profundity - was brilliant. Good job, brian greene.

Prof. Pinker is an absolute genius.

Thank you for everything you do for everyone everywhere!! 💙🖤✨

I have to say, that spirituality and religiosity is good for group cohesion and can be selected that way. Believing in common things do helps early groups organize and abide by common rule, sharing labors and leadership. The earliest groups of humans showed that those who held the people together were always priests, and this stems back to earlier human thinking. This is seen in Gorilla groups that have hierarchies, believing in the power of the Alpha and the group support of that power. These primal behaviors evolve in the comprehension of nature into believing in higher powers and greater goods.

Mehul Patel

10 ай бұрын

In the past five years ago Ive gotten deeper in to my interest science, astronomy, physics, history, and anthropology. Never gave the role of religion much thought though. Fire, agriculture, weapons… sure. This video along with your particular comment has opened my mind to a whole other field of study 😂…

Doobz B

Жыл бұрын

@Spiritual Noob only driven by primal instincts? You've fallen into the trap of Eurocentric scientific racism there my friend

Spiritual Noob

Жыл бұрын

This is what Nelson Mandela did with South Africa, spreading Christianity among warring tribes and people only driven by primal instincts. Although Nelson Mandela probably was yellow on the spiral dynamics model, he didn't try to pull the other red and purple of Africa up to his level, but gave them blue (religion) so they could advance steadily up the stages

Dave BakChoy

Жыл бұрын

It's also why some fall into cults. So it's not not all good like you paint it to be

Funny to me that the one guy who understands the most about consciousness itself, the guy who understands the nondual state and its implications, is the one given the least amount of airtime.

I mean... the way I see it, Zoran was the only one with depth. I would've loved to see a conversation between people like him.

I believe the biggest issue is too many people look into the anatomy of the human body and mind. Attempting to explain consciousness. Which is without a doubt a separate force/form of energy.

Lisa Barret and Barbara King’s introduction sum up so eloquently the entire truth of this discussion.

This panel needs to spend a weekend in a house haunted by an active poltergeist. I'd love to see them explain what is happening

Depressedasfook

11 ай бұрын

That would be incredibly boring as we watch a group of adults respond accurately to completely natural and explainable phenomenon😂

Spirituality is so much more than they tip toed around, it's in our DNA this is what makes us humans. The point was to take a view from a scientific aspect so you can clearly see how they could not help to fall short from a single profound thought. We are social beings, there has to be a code for us to get along, you can see how wrong it has gone. Someone stopping by for confession or something of the like to clear your conscience is not going to boost mankind to any higher plain. Knowing how to properly treat one another in the first place, living to love to the best of your ability each and every day. You do this not for fear of punishment from some dogmatic religious doctrine but because of who you strive to be, we can all be better and act respectfully each and every day whilst on this earth, this comes deep from within. If all the narcissistic people on the planet understood and clued into what love feels like it would be a great improvement. I mean really lets face it, maybe their own children would grow up to be kinder and that alone could be the start towards a new beautiful world. I better not get started, I hope I did not offend the one person to bother reading this. Go inside, deeper than you have ever ventured and just be yourself. Peace!

Karen Bellard

10 ай бұрын

Hardly offended. There has to be something in human DNA that makes us seekers of something bigger than ourselves. Believers in something bigger than ourselves. There is no other explanation for spiritual practices of people's that have not had contact with other people. Whether they worship a tree or a rock or whatever they all strive and believing something bigger than themselves

Core Sunshine

10 ай бұрын

@ahall Do you feel it is my obligation to convince you of such things? Perhaps, I should just lay it all out in your lap for you, that might make it easier for your journey. Things are only as invisible as the knowledge most of the population has in knowing what to look for in the first place. My intuition tells me that you are a sleep walker, not at night, just the rest of the time. Sorry try again.

ahall

10 ай бұрын

So where is the part where you convince me of the invisible magic genie?

Barrett and King’s introduction some up the entire discussion. They are both amazing and I love the way the two males are looking at them with astounding Facial expressions

trafficjon400

10 ай бұрын

Did you see that one wink? 😉 it was so thoughtful and made so much sense in my life now. i think i'm cured. 🐸 🐶 yep i am thanks.

I've just seen this - I don't know why I missed it as soon as it was released. I believe it is because the universe didn't want me to say anything until now. I am a keen scientist but also a practicing Problacist. The universe not only tells me what to do but also when and how to do it. Search for Problacism and see what you think. It's not easy being a Problacist as we are not allowed to seek recognition or reward for anything we do, but I don't suffer from any anxiety, depression or worry and I am continually in awe of the beauty all around me. I suspect I'm one of the happiest and most fulfilled people on this planet. Trust in the universe and be relentless.

I so loved this talk, ai hope there will be more. For me it was Elephants, clearly they care about each other, they mourn. Animals are not so different from us. Look forward very much to more of these conversations. Bless all your f you vxx

Thank you so much! This is simply the best video ever! It works! Tested it myself! Thank you very much. God bless you.

I have watched and read thousands of near death experiences. Some that died were atheists some Christians some Buddhists some Muslims but all that was cared about from these beings of light and love was how they treated their fellow human. And they came back with the realisation that all religions have truth in them I found it very interesting when you watch these people tell their stories you can see they're absolutely believe one of them who has one amazing experience even took a lie detector test and past for some documentary on the Discovery Channel I think so if I could say one thing because to people ,don't have unforgiveness in your heart, don't hate your fellow man or woman, one guy asked God what about all the other religions the Muslim the Indian the Buddhist and God said to him when the Muslims and the Indian steals from their brother they know in Their Hearts it is wrong and they need to repent. to me me as a Christian who is struggling with drug addiction this makes sense because I never understood how one religion could be the truth I would encourage anyone to start looking at near death experiences and you will quickly find out this is the case I say this with complete love for everybody and anybody atheists Believers whoever

Thoroughly enjoyable - thanks to all the panel members 🙏

trafficjon400

10 ай бұрын

Ya but pray they don't ya know but i want to be nice. excuse us god if ya don't mind.

That last question was really interesting. I was eager to hear them more about it.

“Human DNA is like a computer program but far, far more advanced than any software we’ve ever created” Bill Gates “It is humbling for me, and awe-inspiring, to realize that we have caught the first glimpse of our own instruction book, previously known only to God.” Dr. Francis Collins, director of the Human Genome Project

What Lisa is saying around 45 mins is what the whole conversation is geared towards about the 'believing brain' so idk why it's taken lightly. Yes there is the stigma in which the idea of religion creates but what she is saying is that the belief systems effect humans on a cellular level. Eventually we will discover that in history, these ancient cultures knew that the mind created reality. The observer effect is one example. And perhaps why they started to create belief systems because in the quantum world which we have so much yet to discover, they were that much more aware of creating realities beyond death.

TJ

3 ай бұрын

Lisa's explanation descended into silliness at around the 50 minute mark.

Thank you for presenting this and for all those who took the time to share their comments.. Once upon a Time. I asked one of my mentors: "who are we what is the truth" This was how she responded, perhaps insane or not when I recall this words I still feel a sense of uneasy peace? " We are nothing.. We come from nowhere.. We're going nowhere. Found within the essence of these words one finds oneself. " Who's to know? Perhaps like a old radio show, "only the shadow know." peace be with you all.

Fear causes stress and the remedy to fear is knowledge and understanding and I think that ties into the missing piece of information it helps to reduce stress when you find it

An entire conversation on spirituality, illuminating and academically sound in so many ways, never once questioning its own premises as dualistic (is not the scientific method to look for what’s not there if things don’t add up), and curiously never citing the word or idea of compassion (which doesn’t need theism but theism makes witnessing the suffering of others less dissonant to our systems). Super grounding nevertheless!

I think our brain is wired to return to Source, individually as well as a Collective. The Orchid is a perfect example.

I think humans have always done well and thrived as social creatures. The spiritualness between tribes is what connects their commonality.

When you have had a religious/psychotic experience and to you it is the most beautiful thing and the want to hold on is so strong that you don't give a shit anymore whether or not you are delusional because it was the highest, purest, most beautiful thoughts taking over and feeling the presence of something so incredible and you just don't want to leave...ya, it was like that, lol

Glad to see the differentiation between being religious and spiritual.

"WE PLACE NO RELIANCE ON VIRGIN OR PIGEON! OUR METHOD IS SCIENCE, OUR AIM IS RELIGION!" -Crowley Really really great t talk. Thanks for sharing this.

This is, by far, the best discussion I have heard on this topic, thank you so much for sharing.

sara miranda

Жыл бұрын

what is good about new age spirituality?

The thing is we've moved so far away from this its going to be difficult to get back,however through practice and connecting with nature and others can help, I believe.

imagine the advancements we can make in science if we studied spirituality and paranormal experiences

Third_eye_bodega

8 ай бұрын

you haven’t had your own experience so it makes sense you doubt it i don’t but it’s because I have had multiple experiences and now have physical proof caught on a camera after it has picked up after 2020

30+ years of meditation, Dr. Josipovic is the closest to the answer... hint: you won't find it in a textbook :)

charles widmore

10 ай бұрын

Zoran was the best speaker and quickly left out of the conversation. Interesting listing to the unspoken and spoken ---'God is not real and only weak minded people relying on faith believe in him.' ---'So when the aliens land here what do you think they will say.' Believes a multitude of theories which are not proven based upon his faith in science. Has never ventured off the tiny blue dot he lives on but is certain about what exists and what does not across the universe... - Oh how I admire his compartmentalization of duplicity. I wonder if he realizes that a- He believes in aliens and b- anyone not born on Earth is an alien and c- God was not born on Earth 'Well I don't Believe in that alien........'

When I started my journey I dismissed religion and only believed in since but my journey went full circle and science and string theory brought me back full circle and I am the only person I know can explain it in less than ten minutes I've listened to the greatest minds pretend for years and not grasp the concept

Sogide Onwura

10 ай бұрын

Please I am very interested. Can you help me with some explanations

Fawnde

Жыл бұрын

I want to hear it please. A similar thing has happened with me.

This was a good interview with quality questions for Paul Wallis and for the Eden series. Well done! Greg Pasden The American Expat in The Philippines

The biggest concerns for our reawakening species from forced amnesia we must develop mental and spiritual defenses that have been forgotten and even labeled mischievously as wrong knowledge but reality is these unseen entities are as real as the seen and our mankind connection is not yet recognized and needs to be. It literally is a survival tool

charles widmore

10 ай бұрын

walked they always secret and hidden, found, yet not found by the children of man. - Thoth, Emerald Tablets

Kimber Iedema

10 ай бұрын

so you mean spiriality is false and that believing in god is wrong?

JustMe

Жыл бұрын

@Janet Kelly 😃 ⚡💛

Janet Kelly

Жыл бұрын

@JustMe I'm just glad it seems everyone is seeing truth instead of this crazy blinded way of being the past thirty years. When I was little the elders would all tell you about your self lol

JustMe

Жыл бұрын

Interesting, i know. Right.?

Belief is essential part of our brains learning and understanding.

Fascinating…absolutely fascinating. loved that

Love Brian Greene..he's exciting 🚀😃🇨🇦

I’ve had 2 moments of belief, real belief turning into knowing and then waiting. Though there’s still an element of surprise. Born out of innocence. Not religious though, peculiarities, life changing

sara miranda

Жыл бұрын

THEY CALL YOU ANIMALS AND YOU ARE HAPPY WITH IT. God call us human,his servant,privileged creature not animals.

Yes 😂 your analysis is a life line of all humans

Personally, I think aliens would be more baffled by our bad pseudo-science (e.g eugenics, racism, etc) than our religions.

Stephanie Romer

10 ай бұрын

I’m an alien, and I disagree.

Depressedasfook

11 ай бұрын

Well eugenics (at least it's term definition not the historical use which was defined as eugenics but it's characteristics where rooted in beliefs rather than accuracies) is not a psudo science it is testable and in testing proves its concept and purpose. The issue isn't if eugenics works it absolutely does its if it's moral, right, etc in which it absolutely isn't its gross and seeded with racism sexism phobia etc it's awful but it's absolutely a true branch of science

J McGilvray

Жыл бұрын

@Thomas Perez 🔴 WRONG!

J McGilvray

Жыл бұрын

@Thomas Perez WRONG!

J McGilvray

Жыл бұрын

@Thomas Perez WRONG!

Spiritually knows the answers before science does. Its something we feel but can't truly define because it beyond our earthly senses. Consciousness is devine and Consciousness is connected to the true source. Out pull from inside is to get back to the big bang, to reunited.

A great discussion. So many intriguing insights & I must say these comments are pretty awesome too.

Spirituality began with the human mind first hearing the echoes of it's own thoughts.

Scooter Anthony

9 ай бұрын

And how do thoughts echo in our mind? And what do you define as Spirituality?

Scooter Anthony

9 ай бұрын

@naughty thougts And you have “proof” of this of course.

naughty thougts

9 ай бұрын

@Scooter Anthony No one spoke to anyone

Scooter Anthony

10 ай бұрын

You were there huh? Adam didn’t here his own thoughts. God spoke directly to him.

I guess that Pink Floyd concert when I was 20 and had a Pocketful of windowpane and seats on the 14th row Center Stage would qualify as a spiritual experience as it still leads to a physical reaction when I remember the saxophone solo for Shine On You Crazy Diamond and how completely transfixed I was at the time I can still feel the wind flowing through the hair I could grow at the time and the security guards hand on my shoulder because I was standing on my chair LMAO

I was 8 yes old and I was beaten so horribly I was literally lost in my feelings and an inner almost voice type experience expressed within my understanding process to pity don't hate. This was my mother hurt me. I was lost, and I started hating my mother. I hear pity don't hate. Simple right. But hugely powerful and I chose to hear that instinctive intuitive voice within my own self that I recognize as my own higher self connected to the universal All. Ask and the shall receive and I asked the All, or God for those who still use the singular aspect, bit it still connects all things. Choice is just that. Wrong action is understood internally. So laws and rules made my any man is not accurate. Every now for every person has its own right of being and each is different and together it all makes harmony when right is happening

Christopher Myers

10 ай бұрын

God hates evil deeds! Hate is not wrong! Pity means you believe you are a superior intelligence to those you pity! The voice you heard was the devil, Satan, Lucifer, or one of his demons. It wasn't God. Jesus hates money changers, and people who infiltrate the church to teach evil. He hates those who leaven his teachings, which are the ten commandments, and the beattitudes. If you were abused, you should hate your abuser, however if your abuser asks for forgiveness and claims they were a stupid piece of shit for doing that to you, then you are obligated to find it in your heart to forgive them for their ignorance. Or else you are claiming that it is alright to abuse people out of ignorance by pitying someone that is ignorant. Father forgive them for they know not what they do! That is not pity, that is straight up hate and forgiveness.

37:42 Zoran Josipovic said it in a nutshell "Consciousness trying to find itself". The rest of the panelists spent the entirety of the program trying to do just that.

Personally l have been conflicted with the suggestion that people are sooo different when we all ask the same questions, that means we have the same feelings at different times but I just think we are all more the same than different, a good example comes when you study people that have died and come back to earth

Excellent discussion!

Lol of course Steven Pinker 🤣 For a sec I was like "are they seriously not having him on stage for this???" and then he showed up as the last but not least invitee ☺️☺️☺️

Very insightful. Thanks

I actually remember as a baby being unable to do anything at all, I remember struggling to roll over, but the most important memory I kept fully intact was one of those shaking rattling toys, but on this toy was the image of space 🌌 stars, and a rainbow 🌈 in a black starry night sky. I connected with this toy, and remember telling myself that this is home with that warm feeling, and a wish to be back there.. (in the Cosmos) I don't think I could even roll over yet? I know without a shadow of a doubt that our souls are linked to the Cosmos. Why have I kept this memory for 36 years? I remember not being as strong as I was supposed to be, because I was a baby, but from my baby prospective it was as if I knew I was much stronger, as if I were remembering a past life. I remember my first memory in a vehicle. In this memory I was in the back of my grandmother's Coachmen Van facing out of the rear window, and I was in a car seat. I remember telling myself " here we go again" as if I were remembering being in a car in a past life. One more memory was me in a horse wagon riding on a trail, but I remember seeing the woman I thought was my mother with a large hat, or Bonnet. The memory I have was the Bonnet or top hat looked similar to the Chiquita banana lady's hat with the fruit, but replace the fruit with flowers. These memories are real 💯% I have tons of memories like these, and I've seen and spoken to entities but I don't remember if they were extraterrestrial or spiritual? But they were most certainly there. There is waaaaay more going on than what science can explain. Why do I have these memories? Gotta mean something!!

I believe that human experience is “multidimensional”. - if you are aware of e.g. a garden, it does make a difference whether you look at it with “lovingawareness” or every other kind of attitude or feeling. And I believe we have got these many different languages to be able to share that “experienxe” does make a difference for the ways you are able to be present - and in that way how you give and receive that speciel moment. Life is about sharing giving and receiving - sometimes with the languages of science, sometimes with practices, and sometimes the languages of rituals, religions and of course all arts 🎶🌷🎵💗🎨😺

Interesting perspectives. Enlightening and educative💕💕💕💕💕well done!

Loved this! She was talking about egregores around 1: 07

According to my personal religious beliefs I am MGAA of MGAACB. As far as I know considering all of my experiences in life so that I am the only living thing that has any vested interest in sharing this belief. If these words find a reader having any difference with this sentiment I must offer my condolences. Thank you.

...great panel discussion; consciousness (connectivity to outside world, i.e. reality) would always endclosed our believe

I think the main reason why our brain need some sort of belief, is that it needs some form of pattern to guide us through various issues through life

Taqueous

11 ай бұрын

Never thought of it that way but it makes a lot of sense

sam reh

Жыл бұрын

@Loc Ha Wos gscheits song is schwar, aba an bledsin fatsapfa ned! 😁

sam reh

Жыл бұрын

@eddie1975utube The job of religion is to get us through life, mainly.

eddie1975utube

Жыл бұрын

It’s simple. We evolved to want to live. A species that doesn’t have a strong desire to fight to survive will quickly go extinct. So we have this very intrinsic and raw urge to stay alive, to take another breathe and to even eat each other if need be. Yet we see people dying all around us. We know our turn will come and as such we cling to promises of an afterlife. We also have a need to make predictions and understand causality since that helps predict events. Só religions provide (false) explanations of how we got here and a (false) hope that we won’t end here. And religious beliefs are often taught to children from birth and therefore becomes engrained to the point where reason cannot easily overcome the absurdity and fallacies that accompany them.

I've seen a crow funeral. One had been hit by a car. Three others marched around the body, first one way, then turned and arched the other way. I stepped close, my intent to get the body out of the road, but one crow got out of line and made a warning leap at me. I backed off. They marched for about an minutes, then flew off. It was an amazing experience.

It's like scientists get together and gather in their chalk gardens making equations and then speaking about them to their colleagues and then✨ having other people carry out their monetizing, obsolete, mechanisms!

Evidently, Zoran is the sole member of the panel with a ‘believing brain.’ May ‘God’ bless him profusely.

Awesome discussion!

One of the best channels on KZread!!

It is interesting that individuals with more education, especially in the sciences, are less likely to have a belief in the supernatural. That aside, one's religious beliefs are usually programed during their childhood, which explains the cultural differences across the globe. Religions appear to have developed in ancient times, to explain nature when the culture did not have the tools to explain why things happened as they did. Patterns were observed, but what directed or controlled those patterns could not be explained. Eventually cultures developed a supernatural entity, as a controller of events and eventually to give comfort to what happened to one's consciousness after death. Today, on analyzing the various gods, their behaviors reflected the ancient cultures that created these beings. On the basis of a supernatural being's behavior, none of them equate with a truly superior being. They are not perfect, all knowing, all controlling or even 'good'. Any being that could be as powerful as the presumed Christian god, creator of our universe, would not care or act in how the Christian god behaves or demands to be worshiped.

Renee Knight -Rani Yoga Devi

Жыл бұрын

Gods do not demand to be worshipped Religions, who want support, demand payment (voluntary donation) in exchange for worship services in their private space in order to exist. It’s easier to form a tribe with a centre to meet, and a creed to learn about & mutually agree to than it is to pull together those who are more “spiritual” We can meditate at home We can pray at home A faith community is also a social community

I am of the opinion that in order to truly understand spirit, transcendence, god, etc., you have to experience it for yourself.

when i was a preteen attending catholic mass, being a big believer in extraterrestrials, i used to think about jesus having had to travel to each planet in the universe with sentient beings to deliver his message, and thinking about how he must have had to continually shape shift to appear as each planet's organisms and how it must have literally taken millions of years to make the rounds.

naughty thougts

9 ай бұрын

and he still forgot people here on earth xD and also is copy paste of greek mythology and zoroastrian religion.. kekw

I'm pretty sure that even the most intelligent of our species to date do not have the ability to fully conceive and wrap our minds around this universe that we are put in even though we can reason we do not yet have the power to understand.

I think it would depend on how well-equipped they are to live in their natural environment without the cooperation of others because if they're not very well equipped for that they likely need no explanation to explain religion as we probably have it's equivalency that served the same purpose in their evolution regardless of the specific (and insignificant) differences in the details