-The choice is a President with 80 years experience behind him or a guy with 91 indictments in front of him. Do better America, Vote Blue.

@James-hd4ms

3 ай бұрын

I wish all of you would stop saying this.

@user-pt3gi5ul2e

3 ай бұрын

​@@James-hd4ms No.

@marcdevenish4556

3 ай бұрын

So does Don the Con@@James-hd4ms

@qarljohnson4971

3 ай бұрын

Based upon the support of GOP poseurs such as Frum and Liz Cheney for Biden and Obama's policies, doesn't that ring any alarms that maybe the old guard of both parties are now in total cahoots? And have been ever since the Nixon era.

@JPoulAndersson

2 ай бұрын

Biden has 80 years experience of constantly making the wrong decisions.. Biden told Obama not to kill Bin Laden, Biden created another Saigon in Afghanistan. Biden is a lifelong career professional useless person…

If it was only trump, I would agree. He’s just the face of the problem. There are real issues in the legislative and judicial branches due to years of conservative attacks. Breaking the entire system is the objective, not policy

@dancarillo5461

3 ай бұрын

Absolutely correct 🫡 Trump gave his maga cult the confidence to doff their sheets, march around city hall and chant hateful (either bigoted, misogynistic, racist, etc) slurs at another fellow American 🇺🇸

@JimReynolds-dd4fn

3 ай бұрын

May I add the rabid extremists who vote for these anti-American loonies in the first place, and their undying support of a very bad man. And I don't mean a "bad man" in a positive way, like Trump would like to spin it. I mean, horrible human.

@mtn1793

3 ай бұрын

But I wonder if they even know they’re breaking the system? Or do they actually think they’re going somewhere better?

@user-do2ct3wu8f

3 ай бұрын

SCOTUS is captured. The GOP Billionaires are our masters now. Wake up! The GOP politicians are the Billionaires lap dogs, they will not do anything without approval from their masters. Welcome to America-controlled by oligarchs, the new Russia.@@mtn1793

@onomatopoeia162003

3 ай бұрын

It's whom they pandered to for couple odd decades now.

The anti trump coalition must be as broad as possible, we should come together for this task, we can squabble about our differences later.

@drewdp515

3 ай бұрын

Don't listen to this blood thirsty Canadian. This is the same man who wrote the Axis of Evil speech. A speech that just casually threw Iran under the bus for no reason. Stop sleeping with the enemy, bro. People like him are the reason why America is in chaos today.

@grownjohnboy

3 ай бұрын

Who knows, maybe cooperation might work? Go figure that!

@drewdp515

3 ай бұрын

My comment was censored for no real reason.

@AlvaSudden

3 ай бұрын

@@drewdp515 This is nothing compared to Twitter lately. Posting anything anti-MAGA there gets you suspended.

@grownjohnboy

3 ай бұрын

@@drewdp515 maybe take another crack at Gr. 2.

My MAGA friends and neighbors are very tough on immigration yet hire illegal labor. GOP dream: low wage, no taxes, no benefits, no regulation, no fear of law suits, fire at will, ..

@angelroost

3 ай бұрын

Look no further than Texas where I lived for 15 years. Cheap housing and home improvements on the backs of immigrants from Mexico.

@user-xi7gz6sz4w

3 ай бұрын

Lead in our food and water, child labor, forced births...

@AlvaSudden

3 ай бұрын

The GOP wants no regulation of anything, which is organized crime.

@danburnes722

3 ай бұрын

They ponder if only slavery was back.

@markfeland2285

3 ай бұрын

Don't forget "Laws for thee, not for me"

Thanks for scaring the crap out of me this morning Al.

Good conversation. God forbid should djt be reelected. I don't know if the system can actually hold this time. Put criminal citizen djt in jail where he belongs. We need Jeffries for speaker

@dawnoceanside7300

3 ай бұрын

It's WE THE PEOPLE NOT We the system!!! STAND UP for America and democracy! The WORLD is WATCHING 🤬

@grownjohnboy

3 ай бұрын

@@dawnoceanside7300 repeat this as necessary

@ennisdodd1888

3 ай бұрын

In the same jail cell as Epstein and the same circumstances, sleeping DOC guards, broken security cameras...(LMAO that anyone would believe such BS).

I learn so much EVERY time I listen to David Frum. Whenever I see his name, I listen or I read.

@angelroost

3 ай бұрын

If someone had told me 15 yrs ago I'd be looking to David Frum for intelligent analysis, I'd have called them crazy.

@notlikely4468

3 ай бұрын

What I find funny is that in Canada, he's considered a right-wing nutter who trades on his mother's celebrity In the states...he's a pink conservative intellectual Go figure

@IFKY

3 ай бұрын

if you're anything like me, I've also come a long way myself in 15 years :)@@angelroost

@nikoforu

3 ай бұрын

I appreciate that he is educated, composed and articulated. He often picks the wrong side, but you can learn a lot just listening to him explaining things.

Trump wasn't concerned about getting people confirmed, he had those he wanted in an acting position.

@dominique217

3 ай бұрын

He did. And even left the DHS chief in without confirmation longer than allowed by law. But nothing came of that fact. No consequence once again. He'll certainly do it next time he's given a chance.

@RobBCactive

3 ай бұрын

Right, who could have imagined that Bill Bar who weaponised the DoJ and wrote a misleading summary of the Muller report, so the media would ignore all the criminal acts, would be missed. The DoJ was paralyzed despite Geoffrey Stooge Clarke being rejected by threat of mass resignation. That's all Donaldict Tyrump wants, paralysis so he can invoke a state of emergency at which point military units could be fighting each other. Puppets playing into Vladolf Putin's hands, because he invested and groomed a malignant narcissist traitor. This guy is relying on American exceptionalism and craven bootlickers to be brave

I know David's friend from Iran, and he is an amazing guy! Thank you both for a great conversation on real issuea

We just need to make sure there are no confirmation hearings for his cabinet by voting 💙💙💙

@UnknownPascal-sc2nk

3 ай бұрын

That wouldn't work. He turned to acting Secretaries by choice so he had more control over them.

@user-pt3gi5ul2e

3 ай бұрын

​@UnknownPascal-sc2nk implication, i think, is djt wouldn't be there to submit personnel.

David Frum is a thinker. A rare former "conservative" that I greatly respect and listen to. This podcast was interesting and insightful. That Lindsey Graham morsel was telling.... Thank you, Al. Best Senator ever in my lifetime. Please run again. I have almost zero doubt that you'd win, Sir. Your intelligent ribbing of the blatant hypocrisy of the "other party" is missed and needed more than ever. You were the Jon Stewart of the Senate.... Please do what Jon did, and make a comeback... I know you're older.... But we all are.. And that seems to be what's in style, now. But the difference is, you still sound as young and sharp as ever.. Hey, Jon looks a bit older too. But he proved last week that he's lost nothing. Love you My Brother. But I gush, ha ha ha!

@J.M.-nb4gw

3 ай бұрын

Oh and Jon Stewart was a complete embarrassment last week on the Daily Show, that a-hole slammed Biden over and over again for being "old" which is exactly the kind of bullshit that tRump Republicans (and Russians) want him to do. Stewart used to be great but if he's trying to help this country then he's doing a lousy fvcken job

@TheDiveDawg

3 ай бұрын

Dave is a neocon war monger and I'm unsure why the left has embraced this war criminal. Then heap praise upon him. /facepalm

@grownjohnboy

3 ай бұрын

Shhhh he is a Canadian born journalist whose mother is still considered one of the best Canada has ever enjoyed. I am glad he is so well respected. Conservatives would do well to consider his opinions before acting like the feral pigs I'm seeing filling Conservative seats. Canada's last Prime Minister Steven Harper was unliked and is responsible for selling out many institutions bought and paid for by Canadian Taxpayers. After Justin Trudeau waved legal marijuana across the land and swept Mr. Harper out he went to the USA and sought out the likes of those same feral pigs I referred to. He quietly uses Provincial Conservatives. It seems like he has his arm so far up their arses he uses them like hand puppets, quacking the same quack to break down our strong healthcare, education and transportation systems. The federal Leader who looks like Alfred E. Neuman is his mini me, who appears to copy and paste MAGA talking points. Fortunately when he opens his mouth his "I want my Mommy" voice chops his legs out from under him.

Mike Johnson should be removed from the line of succession

@andreah6379

3 ай бұрын

Yes, but the problem is as long as Rethuglicons hold the majority, there are just as bad as Johnson waiting to replace him. No different.

Thank you for this informative and down to earth discussion. I hope it falls on receptive ears

Excellent show!

@jamesbutler1831

3 ай бұрын

For a change 🤣

I disagree with Frum's conclusion that institutions will defy Trump. The country is much different. Nixon resigned because GOP leadership no longer supported him. Today's GOP does Trump's bidding.

@grownjohnboy

3 ай бұрын

Nixon resigned before he was charged with the crimes he committed. After that his lobotomized underling pardoned him in a manner that only GAWD would try to contest. When your top general called China on his own to say don't worry about the grunting coming from the orange feral pig I would call that defiant. When The major Unions say don't let the door hit you on the way out I would suggest defiance. It appears to me the rants after every court appearance against your Justice system by this feral pig is interpreted by him as defiance. World leaders almost unanimosly stand against him which suggest the opposite of support. Maybe your defiance in the face of facts is maligned and misguided or intellectually bankrupt.

@andreah6379

3 ай бұрын

If you are to believe Frum, we can let down our guard with any Rethuglicon. I'm with you!! Big mistake. Frum is a typical conservative. Our country has been taken back to the early 1900s already by his party!! And they aren't done with us. I refuse to listen to anymore CONservatives. The damage they have done to us needs to be not only stopped but reversed. That's an uphill battle. Frum can go to Satan.

@andrewmiller159

3 ай бұрын

I think Frum is not taking into account project 2025. If that was to be activated, this Schedule F would allow Trump to fire thousands of civil servants. There goes the checks and balances Frum is depending upon.

I think this was a great conversation. I look forward to when people can speak in a sane logical manner without embellished innuendo or outright lies. Although these men come from different political stripes, it is pleasant to see how much common ground they share.

Thanks for the Sefanic hoot! Laughing amongst irony. Good Pod...

I'd love you to run for Senate again Al. I don't blame you for not doing it though. ✌❤

Why anyone in the Bush jr. administration has any kind of public voice is beyond infuriating. At best all these Cretans should be at the Hague and at worst they should all be ski instructors. WTAF... how bout we all gather round and listen to what Dick Cheney has to say about all this? Who the hell do you think put us on a direct path to Trump? Ridiculous!!!

@James-hd4ms

3 ай бұрын

There is that.

@andreah6379

3 ай бұрын

🎯 × 1M!! I don't even care to listen to Frum. I am sick and tired of trying to appeal, trying to appease, trying to listen to anything they--any CONservatives have to say anymore. Because of ppl like Frum, the blase manner he still shows towards his own party as they threaten to remove all guardrails and destroy our lives as we know it, then normalize it all is sickening. Al...we need real information. Not Frum's version.

@mtn1793

3 ай бұрын

GOP needs to be exposed for all the harm and treason they’ve done our nation over the last century. The party needs to be broken and banned. Never ever GOP again!

Lindsey Graham always breaks. Senator Graham is not a steadfast ally is he?

@margaretsomerville2510

3 ай бұрын

Thus more evidence as to GOP lack of understanding the premiss of NATO

@katediehl4836

3 ай бұрын

That is a nice way of putting the damage he has wrought seemingly being driven by his ego.

I see David Frum…I listen.

Wow!!! This was a good one; for a change. Thank you for the facts and details. It’s good to know I have real reasons to be depressed and fearful; not just because of some spoon fed hype like on the other side. 😬 Well, fore warned is fore armed. Vote blue, vote blue , vote blue.

They can be "acting". They don't have to be confirmed. We already saw that once plus there will be no one to enforce "the rules".

Thanks Al and David!🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

You were right. That was kind of a good one.

@-Gramps

3 ай бұрын

You know…for a change…

Thank you. Yes, “Harvey” with Jimmy Stewart.

@peteroneill-hq1du

3 ай бұрын

Harvey that would be the puka😂

Thanks Al and David, great discussion. It doesn't surprise me that you have great taste. Leo Kottke is amazing.

Al's biggest mistake in life was playing into cancel culture and stepping down from his position. There are WAY WORSE people serving in congress right now that are doing way worse things then Al did and they didn't, haven't and won't step down I have no idea why he did. I'm guessing he wouldn't do it the same way if he could go back in time.

@grownjohnboy

3 ай бұрын

I agree. It seems like the bar gets lower and lower.

@willdon.1279

3 ай бұрын

@@grownjohnboy Bar? What bar? On one side there is none.

@andreah6379

3 ай бұрын

It was fellow Democrats! that forced Al out. Kirsten Gillibrand was one of the loudest urging him to leave. Unforgivable. I called both my Dem senators and told them what Democrats did by not backing Al up was a big mistake they made. I never got any response from them. Typical.

@user-kp1jk5fe4v

3 ай бұрын

The picture of him cupping those boobs was difficult to survive. He did the honorable thing and stepped down. But now that everyone knows his errors, let him run again and the people can decide ...

@qarljohnson4971

3 ай бұрын

Franken has been an embarrassing shill to supporting American Empire hegemony. But was forced out for still not being neoliberal enough. Via weaponised Identity politics. In much a similar manner in how Julien Assange was set up for fake sexual assault charges by intelligence operative women in Sweden. But Al Franken seems to have hopes of being rehabilitated perhaps, hence his brown nosing of neocon monsters such as Frum here.

Frum really knows his stuff. It’s not Yadda Yadda from him. And Al gives him the space to explain.

Bragg will put him behind bars.

So. Exactly what people said before the first term and exactly what was proven wrong time and time again.

Tell your friends to listen to David Frum.

David Frum, lecturing us on foreign policy and good government? Please...😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@user-xi7gz6sz4w

3 ай бұрын

It should be YOU?

@danburnes722

3 ай бұрын

He sounds reasonable and intelligent to me.

@johnbrown5565

3 ай бұрын

The U.S.and the world has changed so much since GW Bush that even the Neo-cons hate Trump.

Thank you for using the word hypothesis and not the word theory. Even my 7th grade science students were taught the difference, but it seems that none of the newspeople or pundits remember it.

Suozzi ran against a candidate who, like Santos, made up a lot of her background, as indicated by the fact that she scrubbed a lot of her info from her website, and all she did is rant like a crazy person when she debated. Thank God.

Love the HARVEY reference ❤

There are few people whose views I respect more than David Frum's. I take his point about the chaos, perhaps slowing Trump's revenge tour. However, David posits the idea that Trump won't just be able to order people to perform illegal acts. He suggests that those people will be deterred by their own criminal liability. Unfortunately, what David fails to factor in is Trump's pardon power and his willingness to abuse it to achieve his own ends. He's already demonstrated this propensity in the past and has made no bones about doing so again in the future.

It has always been the business community that held the fate of illegal immigrants. Having worked my whole life in the restaurant industry, I can attest to the fact that small businesses do NOT demand green cards or proper ID when hiring. Half the restaurants in the US eould have to close if they couldn't hire undocumented workers.

18:10 Lindsey Graham flips so much he's got more moves named after him than Simone Biles.

I heard that Trump wanted Steven Miller to be Attny General. God forbid

Thank you Al and David 😀

Thank you for going through the play-by-play! I need to get into this mindset...it's like following a military thriller. Highly stimulating!

Condolences to the Frum family.

Oh there will be a tax cut for friends.

Great conversation 👏👏

Al, take your Senate seat back, please. Thank you.

Another Great Interview For A Change!

Al being a Land of Lakes Minnesotan you should be familiar with swamps and navigating quick mud. We need Democrats in the house to not allow Republican muck to pull us under.

Well, David has my attention.

Violent Political Mechanics in Ohio beyond FBI reach.

@piezoification

3 ай бұрын

Haven't heard of this - what are you referring to?

Silvers turned down the Zero Mostel role in “A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Forum”, because he said he already had played the part as Bilko.

@James-hd4ms

3 ай бұрын

They don’t make Phil Sivers anymore.

We need you back!

So, where is the “axis of evil” located now?

Falwell would still have endorsed him.

The real-time problem with "projections of an image" is that the degree to which perceptions and consequences received do not match the intended purpose superficially reported, ie what use are constant lies and deceit except to normalize lies and deceit. This is why Journalists and Representatives of the people are the first to suffer when they Report facts in evidence before those who are only interested in evidenced fact. Journalists and Legitimate Representatives do not survive long-term against the Darkness of intentional ignorance and secrecy in criminal dictates. Truth, and those who represent it are the first and continuing victims of the Forever War? It was ever thus.

You missed something fundamental on Immigration. You only looked at our half of the equation. The other half is that life in Mexico, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, etc. is messed up because of violence and insecurity. They are being forced into gangs. What few jobs there are pay a pittance. Their lives are hopeless, so they risk the coyotes ao come here and then risk all of the horrible things we impose on them to stay and work. If we helped them in their home countries so that they had some hope for the future, they would stay. We keep pushing for more isolationism, but the most economically viable path for us and them is to help them. It is also the most humane path, but we have relinquished our humanity and any real sense of morality.

I see Frum I upvote...even if he doesn't laugh at Al's jokes.

@zackamania6534

3 ай бұрын

Why? He helped put us in this hellscape…

@grownjohnboy

3 ай бұрын

@@zackamania6534 I can understand how you feel. He calls out the people who do no good and when they get exposed they can only lie or apply Italian suppositories. Innuendo. How do they maintain their dignity when they run afoul so?

I prefer to improve both parties. My dream would be to make it hard to decide who to vote for because they are both excellent.

Drumpf casually used unconfirmed Cabinet Secretaries for the end of his term. Would Al tally how many and for how many months? I have no audience to whom I could trumpet it if I did do the homework. [edit] My expectations are up because I recently read _Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them_ . That digging and tabulating would have been assigned to Team Franken.

I appreciate being talked off the ledge. A little.

CORRECTION: It was republican strategist Frank Luntz who coined the democRAT wording, NOT David Frum. My apologies to David Frum.

No, I disagree Al, the GOP does not want the government to work. The GOP voters/clients, I talk to want the government to be dismantled. There is serious cognitive dissonance happening on both sides of the tennis court right now.

If Trump kicks out the career bureaucrats and either leaves the positions unmanned or puts in his supporters, the checks and balances won’t work.

I knew we were in trouble in 2015, when trump came down the escalator and said, “only I can fix the problem.” That is what dictators say.

I will recall Speaker James Michael JOHNSON. 😊

I agree with much of what Frum says regarding the resilience and professionalism of the administrative state but with the following caveat. I hate to bring up the 1930’s for the umpteenth time but I worry that a genuine or ginned-up “security crisis” could actually stampede a weak-minded Congress into passing some superficially vague version of Germany’s 1933 Enabling Act which was basically the legal cornerstone of Hitler’s absolute dictatorial power. USA has more and more engaged in a “shoot now ask questions later” reactive mindset ever since 9/11 and with a progressively weaker and weaker Congress, citizens have been getting progressively more comfortable with more power resting with the chief executive.

Last time Trump just put temporary Cabinet Secretaries in order to avoid Congressional approval. How long can a temporary Cabinet Secretary hold office?

@moonmunster

3 ай бұрын

It doesn't matter, Trump will just appoint another actor.

AL! PLEASE HAVE JOHN ARCHIBALD AND KYLE WHITMIRE ON YOUR SHOW! THEY KNOW ALABAMA POLITICS BETTER THAN ANYONE, AND THEY ARE FUNNY! YOU WILL LOVE THEM!

You JEST!! Like are you freaking kidding me, Al, dumbest question I ever heard you ask.

I’m assuming Al knows about Project 2025?

Love David ❤

..wait, wait..is this even legal?

If Trump is re-elected by the electoral college, the vice-president should refuse to certify the vote. That's what Elise Stefanik would do, so it must be ok.

Al Franken for President! Mr Biden is a great man but does he not deserve a well earned rest ? President Franken sounds just right.

A second " trump" presidency will mean complete and total ANARCHY! From DAY ONE!

I assume I am not the only independent (voting mixed ticket, 2020) that has started voting straight Democrat ticket, for me until Repubs get their act together + 4 years to make sure they were not lying. Create legislation after having hearings with experts and regular folks experiencing the issues, and select 2 or 3 Congress members to really delve into the issues and solutions, these 5 minutes speeches are not working. I want work horses not show ponies.

Damn, I guess I missed one--for a change. While Mr. Frum raises a good point about the chaos unleashed by a second Trump Presidency preventing him from accomplishing much or being able to establish himself as a dictator, I am worried that the chaos he unleashes, combined with a dysfunctional national government, may lead to a future, more competent strongman or woman taking control in order to "fix" things. A U.S. version of the Weimar Republic, as it were.

If god forbid, DJT get's reelected, isn't he automatically protected from prosecution without making the cases go away?

Why isn't a government that collapses in the way David Frum envisions - rather than as we gog-goos fantasize - just as bad, right? A government that has operated on general "consensus" - however high- or low-minded the agreements individually have been - will not work at all and the ensuing havoc will kill lots of folks - 😢

I is on trial in court over G, and your talking about aid to I. Madness...

@zackamania6534

3 ай бұрын

Israel is committing war crimes and ethnic cleansing. They need ZERO AID

Lindsay Graham? A freaking liar? Hard to believe.

3:30 Can we cut the music already? 😊

It's precisely what happened with ANDSF and the Taliban. Exactly what you described. If Trump is willing to negotiate with the Taliban absent GIRoA, what does that mean for ANDSF moving forward? They negotiated their own outcome, and the govt folded. It was a completely foreseeable outcome.

Where there are no basic values only dysfunction can exist.

❤

It is a mess hahahah

How does the repub. instruction book "2025" (trumps plan) fit into our future?

Reagan - O'Neill

Concerned Brit here; I'm with those citizens scared; it's a constant battle to see all the faults in the liberal West, America, Israel constantly exposed, condemned, marched against today (anti Vietnam War protestor here!) which does not realise the real dangers. Which now includes those within, didn't happen since Mosley, (UK) Fritz Kuhn, (US) pre WW2. From Putin, Iran, Hamas etc (sadly, a majority of people mostly in the last) both extremes of the world's political spectrum* are appealing to humanities worst instincts. And are frighteningly successful; please vote Blue, whatever you do. (*The US has Zero "left" political extremists; apart from their Israel blind spot)

See Liz Cheny's oped on "Checks and Balances" are not enough.

Nanalny's widow should be at the state of the union address. Biden should point and say "this is the work of putin"

Im listening yo David Fing Frum??? 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯

@grownjohnboy

3 ай бұрын

Call your mom and get her to listen too. He can be denied but never proven wrong.

Aid to Israel, what are they using it for? Hopefully nothing bad 😕

By now I think we know what another Trump term would look like. Why does no one seem to be hammering home the numbers as related to the current Biden term?? How are the infrastructure, inflation reduction and Chips bills actually benefiting ordinary people every day? I bet it’s a better story than a 2nd Trump term forecast.

It is not a time to say let him in sorry not for that

Hi David Used to love your Mom on CBC And you so look like her Kind of sad you are not

Has David not read Project 25.

Discussing a 2nd Trump term is like speculating what would have happened if Germany had won the war.

I try not to listen to David Frum anymore. Has he apologized for his role in unleashing Trump on the world?

If the cases have not been tried before he becomes President don't they go on hold until after his presidency. I thought you can not put a current President on trial until after his term. I'm really curious if he can pardon himself. I can't see that the court would be okay with self pardons. Opinions....