The Atheist Experience 26.41 with Forrest Valkai and Dave Warnock
SHOW TIME-STAMPS
00:00 Intro
02:12 Charles-TX | Revelation 17:5 Is Reason For Evil Catholocism
08:34 David-(AU) | Crisis Of Deconversion
23:03 Luke-CA | Five "Possible" Premises To Manifest God In Our World
42:59 BIG-WA | Are Atheists Real?
1:01:35 Diana-KS | Atheists Cannot Judge Good & Bad (This One Is...Wow!)
1:15:29 Ruben-TX | Atheists Weilding The Old-Testament Is Unfair
1:21:43 Kyle-OH | The World Is A Puzzle
1:29:05 Final Thoughts
1:30:47 Outro
SHOW NOTES
Welcome back to the show! In today’s episode of the Atheist Experience, Forrest Valkai is joined by Dave Warnock!
Charles from TX is calling to claim that Revelations 17:5 is the reason for all of the evil done in the name of Catholocism.
Next is David from Australia who after decades of indoctrination is hit head on with the prospect of the religion not be true, or worse manipulative. The caller is struggling with pushing past their fear of hell from their lifetime of it being used as a tool to keep them in line.
Luke from CA has a five premise argument to make God exist in our world. You could use this argument to make any literally any fantasy character exist in our world...doesn’t mean they do.
Believer in God (BIG) from WA isn’t convinced that Atheists are actually real and those who claim to be Atheist are actually pretending Theists. They believe this because polygraphs.
Diana from KS doesn’t believe that Atheists cannot judge morality because they lack an objective moral standard. Appealing to an authoritarian moral framework can be nice because its easy to judge right from wrong, but it doesn’t necessarily align with what might actually be right and what might be wrong in specific situtations, especially if no justification is given or justification in the form of faith based threats of punishment.
Ruben from TX doesn’t think it is okay for Atheists to use the Old Testament, specifically verses regarding slavery to argue against modern Christians because apparently slavery was okay back then.
Finally, Kyle from OH views the world as a complex puzzle, and if the pieces weren’t placed in the perfect order and location, then life wouldn’t exist. Therefore there must have been a creator because there needs to be an intelligence capable of solving said puzzle, but only here, not Venus.
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I love how Diana advocates killing people that don't agree with her, but then asks why atheists would be concerned with believers doing as they please
@DanielRodriguez-zj5il
3 ай бұрын
Sure, advocated for the truth when she accused the hosts of strawmanning her position by using something she just said.
Something worth remembering: "This God may judge you, but his sins far outnumber your own" -Forrest Valkai
@Conan_the_rastafarian
Жыл бұрын
Who is Forrest Valkai?
@jquest99
Жыл бұрын
@@Conan_the_rastafarian Forrest Valkai is the guy that said: "This God may judge you, but his sins far outnumber your own"
@Conan_the_rastafarian
Жыл бұрын
@@jquest99 Well, I'm the guy that said "everything I say and think is true and important"
@jquest99
Жыл бұрын
@@Conan_the_rastafarian Are we playing Jeopardy? If so, the question is: Who is jess d?
@Conan_the_rastafarian
Жыл бұрын
@@jquest99 Just a mere human like you and Forrest. We probably vary in opinions and views, so which one of us is right?
Diana is an absolute monster, what a shocking call. Dave, Forrest, this was a fantastic show and while current events have put a bit of a damper on things, I am still very glad to continue with the AxP with the quality represented here by the both of you.
@ezbody
Жыл бұрын
@@kenyunpeterson1758 There are tons of people like that. This is exactly the type of excuses that Russia is using right now for slaughtering the Ukrainian people. People's minds are very malleable, if you isolate a group of people long enough, you can make most of them believe practically anything, you can even make them believe several contradictory ideas at the same time.
@dernwine
Жыл бұрын
Here's the thing, the Massacre at Ayyadieh? That she says was moral? Was seen as Immoral and horrific BY THE PEOPLE ALIVE AT THE TIME. In fact there was a significant number of people that believed a lot of King Richards subsiquent issues (whether failing to capture Jerusalem or being taken prisoner on his way home) was god's punishment for his crimes at Ayyadieh. So when the actual Medieval Christian Crusaders think something is horrible, but you're saying "Hey yeah that's fine," think about how fucked up you are.
@debmary2999
Жыл бұрын
She was hopefully a troll and didn’t actually believe anything she said.
@ArcadiaJade
Жыл бұрын
Oh, I really, really hope she was trolling. What a complete loon. Just disgusting to justify such horrible acts in the name of what you believe. Sick.
@stevensilvester183
Жыл бұрын
Wow I’m from England and can’t believe what I’m listening to ,I don’t believe she really thinks like that ,this is religion and what it does to people,it’s so sad that this is even allowed to be taught to children,wait till there 18 then see if they believe it ,I think not
Holy shit. I can’t believe I was ever that brainwashed. Thank you for a great show, Forrest and Dave!
@Authenticallyathena
Жыл бұрын
I was thinking that about myself earlier today. I'm so glad I've come as far as I have.
@teve90
Жыл бұрын
Almost burned my eyeballs trying to find the sungod when i was younger
@susanheard4843
6 ай бұрын
Ha! It feels like it must have been a different person at times
Diana - It's amazing how quick people with "objective morals" are exposed for having no morals at all.
@kidslovesatan34
Жыл бұрын
Yep, they call in specifically to talk about morality and then self implode in spectacular fashion. Also was an atheist 😂🤦♂️
@SeanRyno
Жыл бұрын
Objective morals exist. Of course. Absolute puritanical morals don't exist. Of course.
@matthalaboo6694
Жыл бұрын
That's because for people like her "objective morals" is code for obedience to authority.
@joemiller7082
Жыл бұрын
I don’t understand how morals given to you by god are better than ones society gives itself to coexist and run better?
@cnault3244
Жыл бұрын
If that's true, why haven't Christians eliminated famine, disease, murder, etc. Or is Jesus only able to help you find your keys....sometimes..... But only if you keep looking for them?
Forrest is just really awesome. I follow him on KZread as well. He's smart, respectful and doesn't take bullshit. Also, he's delightful like a super unicorn from space.
@yippieskippy2971
Жыл бұрын
What a perfect description of Forrest. 🛸🦄
Always a pleasure to see Dave on the show. He always forces the caller to answer "what is your question *really*?", "what are you trying to say?", "why is this important to you?", etc.
3 Questions to answer before you go on the show: 1) Is the Earth flat? 2) Is it okay to own someone? (Edited) 3) Was it ever okay to kill people because they worship a different god or have no god? If you answered yes, don't call the show. We can't help you. Saves everyone time.
@williammiller3277
Жыл бұрын
Matts gone. Biblical slavery justifiers rejoice!!!!!
@ichsehsanders
Жыл бұрын
4. You want to preach and don't want to be challenged on your precious beliefs
@Darius-kl3jk
Жыл бұрын
LoL, I mean, it's entertaining
@Godlimate
Жыл бұрын
Although, slavery was okay because it was justified by the standards within a certain era. We do the same thing of justifying our standards based on our own setting. In fact, our society still follows the same slave dynamic towards animals since we exclude a variety of them from having any moral standing. I don’t think you can really say “slavery is always wrong” if you follow the standards of a society that condones slaughterhouses. Not to mention, buying commodities outsourced from countries practicing child labour. We are far from perfect, and I don’t think we can ever say that something can ever be wrong if we are going to be a bit hypocritical about it.
@butkusfan23
Жыл бұрын
@@Godlimate you would know it was wrong just by asking the slaves. They would have always said it was wrong to buy and sell them like cattle. And the issue with biblical slavery is that believers say god is love and all loving, but his word clearly says he told his people they can buy humans and pass them to their children as property. A god of love and compassion and wisdom should have known better than to say you can buy people. That’s the issue. So no. It was never ok.
“Remember everybody, their god may judge you, but his sins far outnumber your own” What a quote.
In my opinion, this was one of the best episodes by far. There was no where for the callers to hide; many true colors showed up…
@Spidaface666
Жыл бұрын
Cocaine is a hell of a drug
Yes I will miss Matt, but Forrest is a wonderful host and it is always good to see Dave on.
Props to both of these guys for not letting people off the hook when they tried to not answer the question.
@dirkschmid1045
Жыл бұрын
Exactly
@sonja4164
Жыл бұрын
Hell yeah
@Heathen.Deity.
Жыл бұрын
Very true. The perfect two hosts to deal with the multiple cowardly bigots who called in today.
@ScottDelleFave
Жыл бұрын
Forrest is ruthlessly good at that.
@80slimshadys
Жыл бұрын
@@sonja4164 🌱✌️
Forrest, you are an awesome host. And you have the best guest.
@Steelmage99
Жыл бұрын
@Technic Unsupported nonsense of questionable provenance is unconvincing.
@tubester4567
Жыл бұрын
Im not impressed with Forrest. He has a religious-like ideology around gender that is very unscientific. ACA is doomed.
@scambammer6102
Жыл бұрын
@@Steelmage99 yes you are
@Steelmage99
Жыл бұрын
@@scambammer6102 Did you notice who I was responding to?
@ctwentysevenj6531
Жыл бұрын
Forrest is great. I really enjoy his videos on his own channel and a guest on ACA.
“Oh why don’t you just left people believe what they want to believe?!” Diana and Ruben are the prime example of why it hard to sometime.
@Julian0101
Жыл бұрын
The fun part about diana's excuse was that killing people because they dont believe what christians believed (aka. not allowing people believe what they want to believe) is exactly what the cruzades were about. As usual, theists dont have more than projection. Glad to see forest engaging with her exactly as she deserved it.
@alvarogoenaga3965
Жыл бұрын
How are you going to stop people believing anything at all, however ridiculous? Impossible. Maybe a lobotomy ( ala Orange Clockwork) could do the trick, but that is out of the question. You, or I , or anyone for that matter can't " let" anyone believe what other gets convinced of.
@alvarogoenaga3965
Жыл бұрын
* I meant "A clockwork Orange"
Forrest is one of my favorite humans.
@Eric-cj8sb
Жыл бұрын
Same! Reacteria is great as well.
@jasonphoenix3569
2 ай бұрын
this weirdly feels correct
I had just commented to myself that Diana didn't sound like a bad person, just misinformed... and then she dropped the Murder Is Fine If They Disagree pearl. Such an evil woman..
@SPL0869
Жыл бұрын
She’s extremely evil. One can only hope that she never gives birth. What type of life will that poor kid have with a mother like her?
@doneestoner9945
Жыл бұрын
I agree.
@jquest99
Жыл бұрын
I LOVE that ELO song! Ha, ha, woman, what you gonna do? You destroyed all the virtues that the Lord gave you
@BaronVonQuiply
Жыл бұрын
@@jquest99 I admit that I too, was singing that in my head after posting.
@Johnboy33545
Жыл бұрын
She's just a typical well-indoctrinated Catholic. She was, too me, obvious from the start.
So happy Forrest joined the team. Absolutely amazing in his understanding and explanations. Big fan
@Steelmage99
Жыл бұрын
@Technic Unsupported nonsense of questionable provenance is unconvincing.
@Steelmage99
Жыл бұрын
@@markshepperson3603 Did you see who I was responding to?
@alandgomez5905
Жыл бұрын
Same
Holy shit, the Aussie was the only one today who wasn't a nutter
@reaver11122
Жыл бұрын
After his topic was read out, I was expecting a lunatic, but wow I loved him
Charles: *screams about some batshit insane stuff* Forrest: Funky! I fucking love Forrest xD
@CristianML40
Жыл бұрын
😂
@delbomb3131
Жыл бұрын
Even if it was all 100% true, presented like that you'd question anything they said. Teach spot on elementary math like that and I'd question if he was correct about 6X5=30 lol
@andrewsad1
9 ай бұрын
@@delbomb3131 3X5 is 15, 8X5 is 40, it's all connected
Love you Matt, stay strong, and carry on.
@Steelmage99
Жыл бұрын
@Technic Unsupported nonsense of questionable provenance is unconvincing.
@tmurphy0919
Жыл бұрын
@@ookeekthelibrarian Unfortunately, that won't do a damn thing but block his post from sight. KZread won't act unless legal action is threatened. I flagged a video for electrical tips and hacks because they included several methods that would harm or kill someone. It's still running unedited because 2.7 million views.
They forgot to change the intro and had left the name of Matt Dillahunty as the host. AWKWARD!!! Not sure if anyone else noticed. That's why the video went private for some good time after the live show ended. Now it is correct.
@MMAGamblingTips
Жыл бұрын
Haha yea, I seen this. I posted about the oof before seeing your post. Hilarious.
@Dreamprism
Жыл бұрын
I was at work when this originally aired, but I did notice the time it was posted looked more recent than it should be, so thanks for the clarification.
@highroller-jq3ix
Жыл бұрын
It's not really a big deal, is it?
@Dreamprism
Жыл бұрын
@@highroller-jq3ix not really, imo, but I was still curious
@highroller-jq3ix
Жыл бұрын
@@Dreamprism A simple mistake without any larger implications, maybe?
Forrest and Dave are great together! Thank you so much!
I appreciate that Forrest’s brain works at hyper-speed but please give Dave more time/opportunities to speak!
@blissfuldj7627
Жыл бұрын
I think it's a real team effort, they're all working with the same goal, if Dave wanted to add to the conversation he would jump in, which he does, I think it goes to show the teamwork that these people have with each other
We love you Matt Dillahunty!
@mykhailohohol8708
Жыл бұрын
no, we don't.
@JohnRedshaw
Жыл бұрын
We love all past, present and future hosts of the Atheist Experience.
@cocatfan
Жыл бұрын
@Amoral Atheist That is scary.
@aegisgfx
Жыл бұрын
@@mykhailohohol8708 I dont worship Matt, but I appreciated his efforts for 17 years. People worshiping other people is abhorrent to me.
@cocatfan
Жыл бұрын
Speak for yourself.
Charles: "I didn't see any Martians!" was the funniest thing on the internet today.
@BootBizarre
Жыл бұрын
They are a far superior species with advanced detection avoiding technology, so of course you're not going to see them until they abduct you and probe you! 😏
@dirkschmid1045
Жыл бұрын
It always amazes me that they seem to miss blind as day common sense logic
@Stasiaflonase
Жыл бұрын
Especially when he was asked if he ever saw god. No quick answer there.
@Heathen.Deity.
Жыл бұрын
I have no idea what Charles put on his cornflakes that morning, but it was strong.
@indiglo1971
Жыл бұрын
@@Stasiaflonase Are you a female?
Forest and Dave! I love this combo. You two handle the callers firmly and with ease.
Forrest bringing up Arachne was awesome.
Dave and Forrest, two of my favorite people!
@rockpadstudios
Жыл бұрын
I like Dave also - he gets right to the point with callers
@mykhailohohol8708
Жыл бұрын
why?
@_Omega_Weapon
Жыл бұрын
@@mykhailohohol8708 They're intelligent, direct, and have good arguments and ideas. I admit I was being a *tad* hyperbolic, but sometimes certain people and their affect/attitude can just make you feel a little joy.
@sandersson2813
Жыл бұрын
They are very good but this show is tired. Same old arguments, same answers. Not sure how it could be done, but I rarely watch now.
@Steelmage99
Жыл бұрын
@Technic Unsupported nonsense of questionable provenance is unconvincing.
For anyone who is amazed that Hershel Walker is still in the race, listen to the last 3 calls and understand that these people vote. Really let it sink in.
@jquest99
Жыл бұрын
There could be some new revelation that he has kicked puppies for sport and he will still get the same level of support from the voters.😮💨 So frustrating that politicians from some parties can now be unaffected by scandals that would have destroyed political careers in the not distant past.
@alandgomez5905
Жыл бұрын
Fuck me lol. Are you saying you'd rather be a vampire 😂?!
@BandiGetOffTheRoof
Жыл бұрын
Why jump on Hershel Walker?? It's his opponent who is the religious preacher man.
@alandgomez5905
Жыл бұрын
@@BandiGetOffTheRoof Damn lol. If you have to ask...
@heyidaroo
Жыл бұрын
@@alandgomez5905 I am because I’m cooooooool people
Matt is the GOAT..BUT Dave/Forrest..You guys are DEFINITELY on Your Way..the last 3 callers WERE moral hypocrites and You TOTALLY let them Know..TY
@mothandrust
Жыл бұрын
Hocus pocus blah blah blah 😂
@freddan6fly
Жыл бұрын
@Technic Why are you preaching in the comment section? No-one believes you and you just show you are full of yourself.
@edluckenbill9382
Жыл бұрын
Ego driven piece ---
@jquest99
Жыл бұрын
@Technic Are you saying that Matt, having been persecuted, will inherit the kingdom of Heaven?
Dave & Forrest, thank you for allllll you... please keep educating all of us, because of your hard work & my husband wisdom I am able to decipher alot of what I was force to believe as a child. I also want to thank Matt for his loving dedication to this truth and for 17 years of shining the light.
In my opinion Dave has risen to be one of my favorite hosts. He tries to keep the callers on track and is direct. Also has the ability to shorten responses. Thank you Dave I hope we have you around for a lot longer. Forrest, I think needs some work. Definitely a very intelligent individual and I love hearing his points. Unfortunately, I think the responses are too lengthy. He needs to get better at shortening his answers to callers because he seems to be lecturing, also cuts into Dave's responses sometimes. Overall great stuff, thank you ACA for the content.
I will truly miss Matt. He's been an invaluable contributor to this show but I absolutely support his decision and I really hope to see some great content from him going forward. That said, our hosts on The Atheist Experience are really awesome folks. I have no doubt guys like Forrest and Dave will do an amazing job. Keep up the great work guys!
@girlfromlacounty
Жыл бұрын
Am I the only one who won’t miss the way Matt handled callers. Constantly interrupting, telling them to shut up, dismissing their explanations before they can even get to the point. He was so rude.
@michelegoremg
Жыл бұрын
@@girlfromlacounty Idk. Maybe. I generally found him to be more than sufficiently long-suffering and patient w theist's insufferably nonsensical ramblings.
@tonyl9636
Жыл бұрын
@@girlfromlacounty different people like different things. Shocker
@mindlandscape5767
Жыл бұрын
The problem is the way Matt was treated, that isnt right!
@jackstevenson4679
Жыл бұрын
@@girlfromlacounty I think he was burned out. I have been listening to the show for about 10 years. Matt was there 17. Now for the 10 years I have listened Matt has really only been super curmudgeonly about 2-3 of those years. If you watch clips of the earlier shows he was always very measured and calm when speaking with the callers. I think this is pretty much eventual with anything that any of us do..familiarity breeds contempt. The way the ACA treated him is bullshit.
They did Matt wrong. Edit: I will still watch and support this channel, as well as Matt's. I just don't like how Matt was treated. I should have made that clear. Sorry.
@chrisgrimard7834
Жыл бұрын
Certainty sounds like it. Won't be supporting ACA or their youtube channels.
@andrewpagan6266
Жыл бұрын
@@chrisgrimard7834 Matt literally said not to pull your support from the ACA and that everyone who worked on these shows wasn't the problem 😫 The organization doesn't appear to be at the point yet where they're doing more harm then good either, their leadership is just pulling a soviet union
@rekkwaffle7668
Жыл бұрын
@@andrewpagan6266 he said to do whatever you feel like doing actually. He just recommended continuing to support them. Which I also won't be doing any longer
@Kayceesoutdoorliving
Жыл бұрын
@@andrewpagan6266 Matt literally said decide for yourself. "Support them, support me, support both, support neither." Was what he said I believe. He said do not harass the ACA for doing what they did to him. Either way I've unsubbed from the ACA which I probably should have done over a year ago because I quit watching the content they were producing.
@lavenderteal8485
Жыл бұрын
How?
"Too big to be bacteria, move too much to be plants." made me laugh out loud.
Love these guys. I appreciate their upbeat attitudes and their conversations with the callers. I live in red state hyper religious Oklahoma and this is refreshing.
I miss Matt already 😢
@GrandChupon
Жыл бұрын
Same but I feel if we get a good bit of Forrest we'll be good. He seems to have to same answer my question no nonsense attitude Matt does.
@mackhomie6
Жыл бұрын
What happened to Matt? These two are really good, too. Dave is supremely likeable and Forrest knows his shit, and the same cannot be said for all the hosts
@knivesron
Жыл бұрын
We all do. But these two are awsome
@Scocelectric
Жыл бұрын
Yeah. Unsubscribing. Pretty big fail from the ACA.
@brianfergus839
Жыл бұрын
@@mackhomie6 Matt has removed himself from the ACA. You should check out his latest video if you wonder… you wonder… you wonder… you wonder
I just looked out the window, and sure enough, there is a full moon lol. What a treasure trove of callers! Forrest and Dave are so awesome...
@ahz4877
Жыл бұрын
Indeed!
@ingridschmid1709
Жыл бұрын
@@ookeekthelibrarian On the hand he need to be reminded how some theists are just gross.
Diana is so smug that is nauseating to listen to her.
This was a good one! Rare to see so many classic head shaker calls in one episode. Epic, yet so frustrating...
Diana is a troll or somebody that needs to be on a watch list
@alicelaybourne1620
Жыл бұрын
called her as a troll. No one goes from watching Matt and Aron to supporting children being put to the sword over religion. NEVER happened. (They got very triggered, but I would have liked for one of them to recognize the chance she was nothing more than a troll.
@andthewallscametumblingdow2451
Жыл бұрын
@@alicelaybourne1620 With the current cycle of madness and delusion in America, I wouldn't be so sure.
@Tovec8
Жыл бұрын
Not seeing how she's trolling. Sounds like talking points from someone who dogmatically accepts Catholicism. It is batshit crazy, yes, but she sounds genuine. If she is a troll she's a perfect encapsulation of Poe's Law (every parody of extreme views can be mistaken as a sincere, since they indistinguishable).
@EDUAROSOLAS
Жыл бұрын
That amount of confidence is astounding for her level of thinking. She sounds like she's never talked to anyone outside of her immediate family.
@rG1vZ
Жыл бұрын
@@Tovec8 might be, who knows tbh
Really great show today. Thank you Forrest and Dave, I really like the dynamic of the show with the two of you!
@geyb7556
Жыл бұрын
@Technic jesus is a fraud sorry if it may hurt your feelings
David actually almost brought me to tears. Such a wholesome and sad story that mirrors so many others. I used to be in the same trap when I found out my church was lying about the Bible and I felt scared and lost so he really resonated with me. I hope he's doing well now. We love you David, and you're doing great❤
Luke, change P1 of the ontological argument you presented to _"it is possible that a maximally great being does _*_not_*_ exist"_ (which is completely fair if "possible" is supposed to mean an innocuous "maybe/maybe not") and see how the argument unfolds from there. You'll spot the error right away, I bet.
We love you Matt Dillahunty ❤️
@USS_Sentinel
Жыл бұрын
@Amoral Atheist Matt would refuse the position.
@robsol123
Жыл бұрын
@Amoral Atheist Matt Dillahunty is God
@kowoh
Жыл бұрын
I’d never join a club that would have me as a member 🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸🥸
@RichardCookerly
Жыл бұрын
Fuck the ACA for what they did to Matt. I’m only here for these two.
@cocatfan
Жыл бұрын
@Amoral Atheist You need to get a life.
I just love seeing Forrest be Forrest.
@MMAGamblingTips
Жыл бұрын
He has such a happy demeanor always.
@bruderk4257
Жыл бұрын
I love when he freaks out.
@Steelmage99
Жыл бұрын
@Technic Unsupported nonsense of questionable provenance is unconvincing.
@adamgrayskull1587
Жыл бұрын
@Technic Uncle Ben said that with great power comes great responsibility. Sounds like your imaginary friend could learn from that.
@cy-one
Жыл бұрын
@Technic That has been quite well demonstrated to be false. Considering the issues that plague this world, either there has never been a true believer in Jesus or the people who are true believers in Jesus care fck all for other people. Otherwise, why has no believer solved cancer yet? Or a workable solution for people existing but not living under minimum wage? Or water shortages in Africa? Either "all things aren't possible" for one who believes, or "all things are possible" for one who believes, there's just not one who believes, or "all things are possible" for one who believes, just no one who believes gives a damn. Omnipotence, even as a variance, will always have issues with the problem of evil.
Dave and Forrest. Your patience is legendary! Amazing!
For those of you wondering about the one issue that Matt mentioned in his video: If you look at the second page of the News section of the ACA website, you'll see a June 16th apology from the ACA for taking a call from someone who previously harassed, doxxed, and blackmailed a show host. What they mean is that on Talk Heathen, they took a caller who was KNOWN for harassing, doxxing, and blackmailing Arden. Arden was on the live chat during Matt's announcement to confirm that's what happened. Matt wanted that issue handled better and in a more full throated fashion than just an entry on the News section. The mgmt didn't even want an announcement of this issue during any of the shows. The issue that Matt has is with how he couldn't get even a satisfactory discussion on handling this issue. But you can get more details by listening to Matt's video on his channel. But his video doesn't get into the details of the incident itself, just on how the board handled it.
@serenaislinn4912
Жыл бұрын
I think he was trying to avoid bringing the specific host into the discussion, as I'm sure it was traumatic all around for them. And as the apology says "Personally identifiable information has been removed to protect the identity of the individuals targeted.". So possibly please do the same, they're are some really toxic folk in the comments already.
@Paigewe
Жыл бұрын
He also lives with her! Which makes it so much more personal to him. Not only protecting a friend but his own safety
After what they did to Matt, I won't spend another dollar here, until they make a public apology to him.
@kidd32888
Жыл бұрын
I will still watch AXP but will not donate $ any more
@danajonesnolan2547
Жыл бұрын
@@kidd32888 I'm glad Matt started his own show and honestly, I think it will be better than AXE because he's not limited to what he can discuss on that one. The only reason why I'm watching this episode is because of Dave. I'm going to meet Dave on October 12th, in Cincinnati and after that, I'm just going to banish the ACA after tonight. What tbey did to Matt was horrible. All he was doing was what was right.
@jefflerner7526
Жыл бұрын
What did they do to Matt?
@FaiaHalo
Жыл бұрын
@@jefflerner7526 watch his latest video on his channel (with his full name - Matt Dillahunty). He explains it all there.
@danajonesnolan2547
Жыл бұрын
@@jefflerner7526 full explanation on his channel. It was disgusting. Matt left AXE after 17 years over it.
Miss Matt Dillahunty now that we know he is never coming to this show again! Don’t hate these guys but have mad respect for Matt.
@ogg5949
Жыл бұрын
I didn't hear that. Googled it- no info. What happened?
@Aisatsana1971
Жыл бұрын
@@ogg5949 he left due to internal issues with the ACA.
@ogg5949
Жыл бұрын
@@Aisatsana1971 thank you! That's a bummer. I really liked him.
@ogg5949
Жыл бұрын
@@kentonbaird1723 well, that sucks. Thanks for the info!
@mikemcmike6427
Жыл бұрын
Who could hate Dave and forest
Really good show boys. I appreciate everyone for keeping this going
Best AXP show in a long time! Great job!
The first caller is a classic hardcore conspiracy nut. His speech pattern and choice of words checks all the boxes.
@jquest99
Жыл бұрын
I much prefer the classic hard-core conspiracy nut. The new formula conspiracy nut has too much nut and not enough conspiracy.
@chrispalmer7893
Жыл бұрын
Could barely make out what he was saying over the crinkling of tin foil
@cathrinegustavsson9775
Жыл бұрын
Yea a real nut bar that rambles on with absolutely nothing that mskes sence!
I love Forrest's vibe, he says so much so succinctly all while having such a nice demeanor.
@Steelmage99
Жыл бұрын
@Technic Unsupported nonsense of questionable provenance is unconvincing.
Forest makes this show so damn enjoyable!!!! I could listen to him describe the discoloration in blades of grass when seasons change and simply hang on the edge of my seat. Love this!!!
@jquest99
Жыл бұрын
You must be talking about the video he posted three months ago on different chlorophyll variants.
@shanehutchinson6350
Жыл бұрын
@@jquest99 haha, I was just coming up with some random example of something that if taught by anyone else would be painfully boring!! I didn't know he posted something like that! 😄
@jquest99
Жыл бұрын
@@shanehutchinson6350 😆 Actually, I was joking. I'm not sure if he made a video on chlorophyll types. Sorry if I got your hopes up.😇
"There are pieces, and then they started doing stuff" is a brilliant description of abiogenesis :D
Unsubscribed 😢 but I’ll still watch when there are great hosts like Dave and Forrest 😃
@KodyXXVll
Жыл бұрын
same.
Bring me more Forrest all day every day. He's the GOAT
I have followed the AXP for about 15 years, and was sorry to hear about Matt's recent departure, and it saddens me greatly to hear the explanation that led to it. Thanks for all the great shows in the past, but it's time for me to go now too. - Bye!
Dave's words to David about getting further and further removed were very insightful and rung true to me. It's been almost 20 years since I finally gave up the mental gymnastics to hold on to some measure of faith, but it took a few years before the scare tactics of the religious stopped having an effect on me. Cosmic Skeptic and Genetically Modified Skeptic have also spoken about overcoming this fear of hell on their channels, and might be good resources for David.
First caller, take your meds immediately. EDIT: The last 3 callers takes your meds too.
What a fun show! Definitely had some fun callers!
I wish people would understand that Philosophical Arguments are ment to raise QUESTIONS, not ANSWERS. Hence why any time you hear a Philosophical argument you tend to have questions... Philosophy isn't evidence. Philosophy teaches critical thinking, close reading, clear writing, and logical analysis. Those things can be used to find Evidence, but do not replace evidence.
Heard how Matt was dismissed. Shameful, embarrassing and sad to learn how poorly this organization treats its members. Love the hosts and all that this show has done but clearly the suits and those behind the scenes think they know better than those who make it what it is. Thank you to those who truly care and want to make difference for the better, but with this move the show has cemented itself as out of touch and inept if not full blown incompetent. I won’t be returning but good luck to management trying to operate as you have been. It’s so clearly working out for you.
@LAdavidthompson
Жыл бұрын
Well, you heard wrong so it is best to get correct information.....he wasn't dismissed - he quit.
@jquest99
Жыл бұрын
@@LAdavidthompson Agreed. To the op, if you are on Matt's side, don't spread misinformation.
@ryry854
Жыл бұрын
Matt wasn't dismissed he quit the show himself and he'd be the first to correct you on that. We have enough misinformation about, please don't spread more of it.
@Spiritof_76
Жыл бұрын
@James Jungles As a circumcised person, I think going nuts about it is too much. Tomato, to-mah-to.
@dirkschmid1045
Жыл бұрын
Well said 👍👍👍
Not gonna be the same without matt
@robsol123
Жыл бұрын
One trillion percent 👍
@ingridschmid1709
Жыл бұрын
On the other hand that's a rather trivial truism .
@Jeff.Paborada
Жыл бұрын
Never in forever.
@TheForgedReality
Жыл бұрын
One way it won't be the same is there will be a lot less abrasiveness toward the callers. 😂
@ingridschmid1709
Жыл бұрын
@@TheForgedReality Pity most of those can do with a lot of abrasiveness, they obviously haven't experienced nearly enough.
Millennials like Forrest give me hope for the future.
Glad I listened to this in the car, because I couldn't help but scream at some of these callers. I am astonished! Incredulous! How indoctrination can take over reason is incredible.
My 99 cents is going to Matt's channel
I'm extremely disappointed in the ACA. What a massive let down.
Holy crap that was one heck of a start.
Charles was really excited to say some crazy sh*t -Forrest Valkai
The hosts did a great job with crazy proofs of God. The live chat was weird. Matt was in the last week recap and yet any comment recognizing him was deleted. Reminded me of apologetic channels.
@serenaislinn4912
Жыл бұрын
The Live Chat mods have those amongst them who are wretched. Some spreading horrible misinformation about trans people to others that delete any disagreement with their point. I refuse to participate because of that. They need better training of their mods. Cause ultimately whichever ones are the bad apples they reflect poorly upon the others, and cause real damaging harm to people. I don't say this lightly. I saw one mod literally abusing their power to create harm on an individual. Wish I had the means to record the live chat, cause the mods deleted all evidence of what happened. I watched it happen in real time. It disgusted me. Attacking a trans women fearing for her safety, and then eventually deleting the whole conversation. If you have to hide your actions you're likely in the wrong, regardless it's a horrible look. they need a public apology, and a statement of accountability actually being held. Not delete the person being attacked's comments.
@serenaislinn4912
Жыл бұрын
@James Jungles attacked is possibly to strong a word. Her real safety concerns (irl) were being dismissed by a fellow live chatter and the mod joined in on the dismissal and then deleted her comments. I use attack because the women was left harmed by the experience, and as a fellow trans woman it was very triggering to witness. Rather than sympathy or empathy for her, they dismissed her real life safety concerns as not being important or real. This was especially upsetting as hate crimes against our community have been on a general rise for several years now. This same Mod repeated the same transphobic misinformation that sparked the whole Woodward incident. I don't have any more details than that as I didn't capture any screen shots etc of the incident as it happened.
@setboy1
Жыл бұрын
The way this organization sweeps everything under the run is horrible. Not sure how much more I can support them
@serenaislinn4912
Жыл бұрын
@James Jungles nah I'm good. I don't need you to act as an arbiter of what's right and wrong. I fully stand by calling it attacked at this point. I literally don't care if you believe me or not. Your decorum elsewhere has been less than respectful
@SeanRyno
Жыл бұрын
@@serenaislinn4912 if there was no damage to property, I think you're playing fast and loose with the word "attack". Disagreeing or dismissing someone's claims in an internet forum is hardly an attack. And you can continue on with that narrative if you like, but it comes across as being overly dramatic and causes people like me to lose trust in you altogether.
Great show, gentlemen! Thank you! 👏
Can we preemptively put Diana in prison? Like, can we just get ahead of an atrocity for once?
The first ad break in this video showed me a 1:30m ad for a church 20 minutes from me that has“miracle services” on the first Saturday of each month. They claim to “cure” the dead, blind, “crippled” and amputees.
Diana's call was an absolute MESS, like holy crap, I hope she thinks about this for weeks and loses sleep over it because wow.
@Selcryn
Жыл бұрын
She won't. She's either completely convinced that it's ok if the church/god says it is. Or she's a troll and was thoroughly entertained by making people think she's a horrendous monster following an even worse one
Matt’s “why he left” has far more views!
@joshsheridan8239
Жыл бұрын
The shows viewing figures are about normal for their first day upload. So do you have a point?
@wvblank42
Жыл бұрын
@@joshsheridan8239 yeah it’s currently 79k to 17k. There will be a dip in viewership moving forward without Matt. So I do have a point.
@eleSDSU
Жыл бұрын
@@wvblank42 i have no idea what happened yet other from some very bigoted people in the comments lamenting Matt's departure. At least I came back to watch because I heard hes no longer in the show and what better replacement for an imperialist like Matt than a class ally like Forest. The show will definitely get more new viewers :)
The patience with which you dealt with todays throng of (mostly) inane callers was, well saintly ; - ) Love you guys on the show.
I love Forest's immediate response to the first caller. "Funky"
Great job, Forrest and Dave! Diana represents the kind of catholicism that scared me when I arrived to the US from Spain, 32 years ago (I already was an agnostic/atheist). She represents the radical, backwards branch of the church, at the level of what the Opus Dei does in Europe. By the way, Diana, Vatican II is the best thing that happened to the catholic church in centuries, it's people like John Paul II and his followers that would love to go back in time and regain the old ways...
@jaflenbond7854
Жыл бұрын
ATHEISM, AGNOTICISM, AND RELIGIOUS FANATICISM VS. THE CREATOR AND JESUS CHRIST. ATHEISTS, AGNOSTICS, AND FANATICS OF ALL RELIGIONS DON'T KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THAT - All hateful, arrogant, and unkind Atheists, Agnostics, Born Agains, Catholics, Muslims, Mormons, Buddhists, JWs, Baptists, SDAs, Hindus, etc who placed themselves under the Authority, power, and control of Satan the Devil and believe and preach the LIES and foolishness of the ANTI-CHRISTS about - 1. Armageddon 2. Immortality of the souls or the heaven and hellfire 3.Trinity 4. rapture and 5. reincarnation will just become worthless and useless dusts on earth forever after their deaths as the CONSEQUENCE of their Satanic hatred, arrogance, and foolishness in mocking, defying, and opposing the Authorities, teachings, and commandments of the Creator and his Christ. ATHEISTS, AGNOSTICS, AND FANATICS OF ALL RELIGIONS DON'T KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THAT - 1. All imperfect, suffering, and dying human beings who placed themselves under the Authority, guidance, and protection of the CREATOR and believe the authority, TRUTHS and righteousness of his CHRIST about - a) the Kingdom of God and b) Resurrection of the Dead will be honored and REWARDED by the CREATOR with ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without pains, sufferings, griefs, sickness and deaths. 2. The CREATOR will let his worshippers live and exist forever on a safe and peaceful planet earth without criminals, terrorists, and militaries, without hateful, arrogant, and unkind persons, without liars, slanderers, deceivers, and hypocrites, without funeral homes and cemeteries. 3. Worshippers of the CREATOR will enjoy the eternal love, kindness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of the CREATOR and his CHRIST for eternity as submissive and obedient subjects of the Kingdom of God under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of the Creator's Chosen King and Ruler, Jesus Christ.
Diana did the world a favor, she disabused anyone of not being an atheist. Any group this person is a part of is one that a sane, rational human would NEVER be a part of. To be associated, even associated with any group espousing this moral framework makes your reputation irredeemable. Thank you, Diana.
@haudace
Жыл бұрын
Imagine these people in positions of power.
@user-kx5jj2do6b
Жыл бұрын
I can't believe she wasn't trolling.
Wow, this episode brought forward some brilliant minds.
These two are a great combination, each bringing their expertise in different areas to the table. Like everyone else I'm hoping we have Dave around for awhile, and love his outlook on life. Also hope Forrest hosts the show for a long time, but know that he might not have time in his schedule moving forward. I hope that's not the case.
Found your video! Also, I've never been first before so... First! Also, I support all hosts of ACA I also support Matt
@cheapshot2842
Жыл бұрын
@Jon Clark Thank you, thank you. I'd like to thank my parents for raising me religious and giving me a need for a show like this. And to my internet connection for alerting me to the episode only 21 seconds after it was post. *Bows*
@TBomb39
Жыл бұрын
@Jon Clark 😢
Forrest and Dave on the show: what a privilege !
Aside from the nonsense that went down with Matt, these 2 are amazing. Forest is an absolute Joy. DIANA NEEDS TO BE PUT ON A WATCHLIST
@loodlebop
Жыл бұрын
I hope she doesn't also defend her faith by the sword, but I have a feeling she secretly knows that's batshit crazy
@delbomb3131
Жыл бұрын
Willing to bet that if the first guy wasn't an act he's totally on a watch list already
Absolutely wonderful handling of each and every caller !!!
Oof. “Believer” took a turn. Damn. Nicely handled Forrest and Dave!
That introduction of the first caller made me spit out my drink 🤣🤣
Such a great program!! Awesome! Have a good one guys!
This was good straight out of the gate. Excellent episode.
Dave and Forrest were great in exposing her hypocrisy about justifying murder.
@Jprimus
Жыл бұрын
The problem is that those callers that justify murder and slavery will NEVER break from that spell. It's so ingrained in them that the corrupted mind cant see how awful those ideals really are. It's so hate fueled. It's tragic and the chances of ever reaching that part of them to break that mindset is pretty unlikely.
@RA-ut2df
Жыл бұрын
@@Jprimus It helps to understand just how brainwashed people can be. I am surrounded by self righteous Christians who say and do things that are obviously cruel to normal folks. My guess is that they have become malignant narcissists who feel entitled to retaliate (e.g. with vicious smear campaigns) if anyone just asks a question such as are you going to do what you just said you would do? I can see why Matt and others get so angry with destructive airheads like this.
Love both these guys but the higher-ups in the organization did Matt dirty.
@highroller-jq3ix
Жыл бұрын
Evidence?
@FaiaHalo
Жыл бұрын
@@highroller-jq3ix watch Matt's video on his personal channel (with his full name).
@highroller-jq3ix
Жыл бұрын
@@FaiaHalo And then come here to whine and troll?
@FaiaHalo
Жыл бұрын
@@highroller-jq3ix if you want to. I'm not your parent to tell you what to do.
@highroller-jq3ix
Жыл бұрын
@@FaiaHalo It's not my daddy issues that seem to be applicable here.
Great job, guys. Great show.
To the last caller: YES there are people who throw their feces around. in 2008 I suffered a near-fatal hemorrhagic stroke which left me with hemiparesis of my left side. I spent half of my three months in hospitals in a rehab hospital. There was a patient on my floor that regularly had to be sedated because he would jump around his room throwing his poop at the walls and nurses. He was also racist asf and would verbally abuse one of the sweetest, compassionate nurses in the world just because she was black.
Those last three calls... I feel like I've been beaten over the head by solid stupidity. I hope Forrest releases part 2 of his series on evolution soon, so I can revitalise my brain.
@JoahW
Жыл бұрын
Kyle had me laughing towards the end at least. I'm not sure he comprehended much of what Forrest was saying.
@jackcox7178
Жыл бұрын
@@JoahW I'd probably laugh harder, but then I remember that these people can make decisions and vote without adult supervision.
Love you guys but I'm not going to reward the ACA's behavior with my continued support.
Great show this week.
I haven’t heard Luke’s argument for a long time. This was the first argument I ever heard for God back when I was a teenager, over 50 years ago
Great show. These two guys complement each other well. 👍👍