Random dev: "Hey, let's make a new console 10% stronger!" Atari: "GENIUS!"

@patsfan4life

Ай бұрын

Also let's use a sound design from the previous decade!

Atari 7800 used the exact same sound chip as the 2600. Part of why the sound is so poor, especially compared to its third generation rivals, the NES and Master System.

@MangizTheBrachyrhynchos

3 жыл бұрын

Master System used the exact same sound chip as the SG-1000 too.

@bubbythebear6891

2 жыл бұрын

@@MangizTheBrachyrhynchos Which I think used the same chip, or at least a very similar chip, to the colecovision.

@angelriverasantana7755

Жыл бұрын

And the devs wanted to use cartridges that housed on-board POKEY chips due to not being able to integrate it onto the system Only Commando and BallBlazer took advantage of that feat

@joeyjo-joshabadu9636

Жыл бұрын

​@@MangizTheBrachyrhynchos that's true, but that was still way more advanced than the 2600 chip

@elijahvincent985

Жыл бұрын

It was like releasing an iPhone with the Game Boy audio chip... looks and functions good... but the sound is a few generations behind!

It's obvious a lot of you aren't familiar with the 2600 if you think these graphics are only slightly better. Compare 2600 donkey Kong to the 7800. Or 2600 double dragon to this consoles. It was a large step up and a beast at displaying sprites. Truth is most of these games were either titles prepared for the original 1984 launch or games that were rushed out the door by an uncaring management team. Proof of what the 7800 was capable of can be seen in games like Rikki and Vikki, Knight Guy and many other homebrews that have been developed in recent years. Not to mention what the demo scene has done. Not saying that it's NES quality but it's better than people give it credit for.

No wonder why the 7800 was a failure. Most of these games were outdated by 1987-1990 standards, in terms of gameplay but also in terms of sound. Most of these games have really bad music, or no music at all!

@ravengaming4143

5 жыл бұрын

Not really outdated games, but the NES and Sega Master System (not to mention NEC PC Engine/TurboGrafx and Sega Genesis/Mega Drive) offered better looking and sounding games, as well as more attractive exclusives.

@joeboo8626

3 жыл бұрын

The system launch was delayed by two years; it released in '86 instead of '84. Even then... I'm not sure if the 7800 would have ever been successful. Atari was never able to innovate after the 70s.

@SupremeNerd

2 жыл бұрын

@@joeboo8626 never able to innovate? ever heard of the 5200?

@joeboo8626

2 жыл бұрын

@@SupremeNerd The 5200 was a poorly designed failure. Not a good example of innovation. Atari had no answer for Nintendo. No plan, hardware, or interesting IPs/software to compete with.

@user-vs7yj1yq9k

2 жыл бұрын

I have seen that Atari is now also active in other areas. Has anyone ever read or found out anything about it?

8:23 when your car's alarm is turning on good video thanks!

Problem was Atari kept putting out the same games on every system they launched. Ms. Pac Man, Donkey Kong, Asteroids, Centipede, Dig Dug. There was nothing original for the system when it 1st launched. Later on games like Midnight Mutants, Ninja Golf, Scrapyard Dog came out but they weren't system sellers and it was too late by then.

@damin9913

5 ай бұрын

Same thing what todays games are doing but nobody complaining about that

I'm starting to see why Atari failed. This kind of console might have been okay in the early 1980s, but it wasn't going to fly in the late 1980s. This looks only marginally better than the 2600. It's hard to believe this launched the same year as the Master System... it makes the NES seem really good by comparison. What's even sadder is... Donkey Kong and Mario Bros. appear to be the best games on the console! I guess Nintendo didn't feel threatened enough to sabotage the Atari 7800 port to make the NES look good?

I can't believe. This Commando version it's better than the NES port counterpart !!!!!

I like the covers.

@patsfan4life

Ай бұрын

Best aspect of the system😅

I am old enough to remember DOS games on the old Win 3.x PCs, where you'd type in the info to load the game. A lot of these look like those kinds of games. They could be fun, but not worth a major investment...

Which games used the minnie sound chip?

Shame decent graphics got paired with an ass sound chip from the late 70s

This is ridiculous. I never got tempted from the 2600 to this , and went to the ColecoVision .

Ballblazer imo is the best game on the 7800, the gameplay is so fluid and the music is a banger

I only had Pole position 2, karateka and Xevious when I had my 7800. Played the crap out of Xevious.

@patsfan4life

Ай бұрын

Kareteka had good graphics but literally Apple II sound effects

Failure but not bad at all

@muffinmonk

2 жыл бұрын

The famicon came out in 86, most of these games were after that. This console was crap and so are most of its games. The sound chip was horrendous

Nes graphics and Atari Sound = Failure

@telesniper2

5 ай бұрын

C64 graphics

the 7800 looks like a lower res NES with shitty sound

@IrishCarney

4 жыл бұрын

Maybe its version of Joust was better than the NES, but that's about it. Only other thing it had going for it, over he NES, was it could run Atari 2600 games. Since the 7800's game library was heavily about the old arcade classics, it's bad that the NES out did it even on those (Pac Man, Ms. Pac Man, Xevious, Commando, etc etc)

@dodgeramsport01

3 жыл бұрын

@@IrishCarney you are out of you mind

@IrishCarney

3 жыл бұрын

@@dodgeramsport01 My pointing out the visually obvious - - that the NES versions of various arcade classics look better than the Atari 7800 versions - - makes me insane? What 7800 arcade title, other than Joust, looks better than the NES version?

@dodgeramsport01

3 жыл бұрын

@@IrishCarney Well just to name a few, Xevious, Ikari warriors, Xenophobe (head and shoulders above the NES version) Commando ( NES was a lazy bad port with tons of flicker and Tetris looking blocks on screen!)Ms. Pac-man faster on 7800 sound as arcade plays smoother maps are accurate, color(s) is accurate, (on NES the first stage is green not pink sound is awful not on par with all other ports and arcades) operation wolf (called Alien Brigade on 7800) looks better on 7800! Choplifter! NES version looks washed out and to pale! Now the NES does wonders with Donkey Kong but is missing the pie factory level! Double Dragon the 7800 stayed true to the arcade! and you can play 2 players at the same time! and up to 6 characters on screen at once! all moves are there at start! As is with the arcade! (Nes you can't do this do to its limitations!)! Kung fu master has better back ground and better color on 7800! Dig Doug on NES has off color again as in Ms pac also sky is black not blue ,better color on the 7800! Mario brothers on the 7800 is great Mario and Lu look more like Mario and Lu as far a aspect ratio is concerned! Out of the three at the time (7800,Master system and the NES) the 7800 was the more powerful machine! It had a better color palette no flicker and could put more sprites on the screen at once! It was also the oldest of the three. The unit was just not used to its fullest back then, but now days home brews have shown its true power! check out Pluto's Klax, and Sirius! these are home brews for the 7800 and are light years above anything else on the machine! Now I need to say that all my opinions on these games come form the original hardware not emu. maybe emu is different but I would not know!

@IrishCarney

3 жыл бұрын

@@dodgeramsport01Xevious 7800 has more detailed backgrounds but the lower resolution makes the sprites harder to see against that, negating that advantage. Also a big part of screen space is wasted with a big score bar. I do think Commando 7800 looks and sounds better overall. I'll check out some of the other games you mentioned

Other than the fact there were so many terrible Atari games rushed out, with what seems like zero quality control, the sound was the major downfall (Of course remaking 50 different versions of already released 2600 games). They needed a new sound chip in the worst of ways. Sure, some games might have competed a bit in the graphics department at the time, the sound was straight out of the 2600. Had the sound evolved with the graphics for the 7800, its demise could have been pushed back a little.

Atari vcs all game please

Good collection VGL. I have some gameplays of this system on my channel for those who are interested.

Pretty cool system

@technoir-1984

3 жыл бұрын

Have you lost your mind?

Interesting that a system with 58 official titles has 2 wrestling ports

Only 58 games. Too bad, it could have been a contender. Lets hope the new Atari 2600+ will breathe new life into the old system.

@telesniper2

5 ай бұрын

It could never have been a contender. By the time the 7800 was released, the comparable quality C64 had been out for 4 years.

@ramgladore

5 ай бұрын

@@telesniper2 yeah but if they had the support of 3rd party developers like the NES did, it would have done good I think. It's not always the specs that determine how well it does. Look at the Gameboy compared to the Game Gear and Atari Lynx.

@telesniper2

5 ай бұрын

@@ramgladore Gameboy had vastly superior battery life. That's what made that platform. Game Gear would last a little over an hour. It took disposable batteries. It would be cheaper to pump quarters into an arcade game.

@ramgladore

5 ай бұрын

@@telesniper2 yeah the Gameboy was easier on batteries because the screen wasn't back lit. But the same could be said for the Wonder Swan. It was the support by 3rd party developers that made the Gameboy successful. That's the ways its always been for any platform.

good arcade ports were made for it, but nowadays it's much better to play the originals

Instructions: 1) Turn on tv. 2) Turn volume to zero. 3) Play games

Definitely an upgrade from the 2600

It really makes you wonder who the hell were the project managers for this stuff? Just like some old boomer who was like "man this stuff is really neat!"? I mean it was obvious that this was substandard by any measure at the time. This stuff was roughly comparable to Commodore 64 games, not even that maybe. And C64 came out in '82, the 7800 came out in '86! So compare this stuff to Amiga 500, MSX2, NES, SMS, etc.

@KrunchyTheClown78

5 ай бұрын

The sad truth is that Atari at the time was more interested in the computer market, and spent as little as possible on the 7800. The reality was that the 7800 actually had the power to compete with not just the NES, but also the Master System. 7800 homebrews like Bentley Bear's Crystal Quest, Dragon's Havoc, and many others show that the 7800 actually had enough horse power to carry it just as far as the NES, if not further. The 7800 could have competed with the Genesis.

@telesniper2

5 ай бұрын

@@KrunchyTheClown78 While the homebrew titles you mentioned are neat, there's a few problems with that. If that's representative of "pushing the 7800 to the limit", it's unimpressive of the NES equivalent like "Batman Return of the Joker". Those homebrew titles don't even look as good as the early Megaman games. Second, NO WAY could 7800 compete with the Genesis. The 7800 had an 8 bit 6502 CPU, the Genesis had a 16/24 bit 68K. Apples and oranges!

THE 3D EFECTS THE BEST MORE THAN SEGA AND NINTENDO only fail the wort music , the graphics are exellents

Poor Atari 7800, the console may be a failure but the few games for it still look pretty good.

@SkarlathTheTinnunculus

3 жыл бұрын

5200 had few games too.

@SupremeNerd

2 жыл бұрын

They were but the 5200 was even better at that

The 7800 and Master System both launched the same year*, and the port of Rampage released on 7800 and Master System the same year, compare the Master System port and the 7800 and you’ll see how malnourished the 7800 is by comparison *The Master System actually released a year earlier than the 7800 in Japan, which makes the 7800 more embarrassing

nes released in 1983, 7800 released in 1984. nes looks better in anyway.

@vitaliystaryk

3 жыл бұрын

Atari was released a test in 1984. Official release in 1986, one year witch Sega Master System and Nintendo Entertainment System

@bradleymcavoy3432

2 жыл бұрын

@strategic fooyou first agent No NES was Famicom in Japan and didn't release in North America until 1985 and Atari 7800 was supposed to release in late 84 but wasn't released until 86!

i always said the only reason people bought the games were the artwork on the cover. Today they call it Skins and Bundles. COD take a page from this book.

Most of the games look ridiculous for that period but i see pretty much potentials

Centipede? OMY! AGAIN?

I feel bad for Lord Karnage.

@ExtremeWreck

5 жыл бұрын

Me too :(.

Definitely a step up graphically from the 2600, but the NES beats the 7800 in every single way. Not even close.

Galaga. Dig Dug. PAC-Man. Yeah….SSDD

Videogame muito bizonho !!!

Typical gorgeous Atari box art! I wonder what the heck was Atari thinking with this console though? It's nowhere near the NES or Sega Master System... it barely looks any better than the ColecoVision

@KrunchyTheClown78

5 ай бұрын

Not that it wasn't capable of matching, or even beating the Master System graphics, just that all the games were made at rock bottom prices

Atari and Sega had no contest with Nintendo, Atari refused to change with the times in terms of software or hardware development, probably because they got comfortable making profits off their previous generation of games and consoles, and Sega didn't have the software, Nintendo had far more properties and IPs to make their system popular where Sega had only a handful gems. I doubt that Sony would've changed Sega's fate, it just caused it to fail faster.

The funny thing about this console is that it had a better hardware in comparison with Master System and NES, but the games were like in the middle of Atari 2600 and NES generation

@technoir-1984

3 жыл бұрын

No way this console has better hardware than Master System.

@maquiztop6018

2 жыл бұрын

@@technoir-1984 go to Wikipedia

@TheMahayanist

Жыл бұрын

It's crazy that they had all of that potential and squandered it. Kind of like the Dreamcast.

Viendo las especificaciones gráficas de la atari 7800,sus juegos son un poco mediocres gradicamente

It's amazing that this console came out after the NES but looks like it should be competing with the Intellivison or Colecovision. Terrible graphics for this time period.

@The_Real_DCT

Жыл бұрын

Because that's what it was originally made to do. It was supposed to launch in 84. But what happened was Time Warner sold Atari to Jack Tremell who then got into a pissing contest with General computer Corp who designed the 7800 and shelved it as on top of being a arrogant penny pitching twit, he was more focused on putting his former company Commodore out of business in the computer market thus the 7800 was shelved till the NES got popular. Which led Jack to settle with GCC and release the 7800

While there are many cool games on the 7800 ,but many off them were arcade games wich were already released on both the atari 2600 and atari 5200 so why releasing them for the 3th time again??? Sure for 1984 it might,ve been all impressive but by 1986 when the atari 7800 was prereleased it wasn’t impressive anymore since side scrolling platform and lightgun games became the new norm,it just makes my wonder why on earth atari cancled toki for the 7800,why was there no pacland for it,why was there no paperboy for it,why was there no castle adventure,no qwack,and no stunt cycle game for it??? Had atari ported all there arcade games for it like those ones i mentioned here,the 7800 could,ve stopd a better chance against the nes, But i just guess that atari just gaved up waaay too fast on their 7800 and instead just split up into tengen to put many of their games on the nes,something i consider to be a dumb decision,they only should,ve support 7800 till the bitter end.

Atari 5200 was better with sound than pretty to look at graphics but shitty💩 sound.

Can you believe we used to spend our time playing this junk 😆 wasted youth

@oldhomehaibane8714

3 жыл бұрын

I just purchased one on ebay mostly to play Robotron 2084 with an Edladdin Super Twin 78 arcade controller. The system is well worth owning today for that alone but also looks like it has solid ports of a few other fun arcade games like Joust, Centipede, and Dig Dug that I'll probably enjoy. The homebrew scene is quite active too, from what I understand.

Doesn't suck as hard as the 5200 but it still kind of stinks! Maybe 8 to 12 titles ( 10?) worth playing. 🙄 Played the Shit out of Joust, RoboTron 2084, Galaga and both Pole Positions in the Arcade though ( Christ who hasn't right!) They're we're actually some better titles on the Atari ST and Atari XEGS!

почему атари 7800 называют консолью 3его поколения? игры на ней выглядит максимум как 2ое они просто ужасны =_= Если игры 3его поколения даже с мастер систем который страдал из за монополии нинтендо в плане игр, выглядит достойные для игры даже сейчас. то то что вижу в этом видео с атари 7800 не выглядит как что то что имело бы смысл играть сейчас -_-

@KrunchyTheClown78

5 ай бұрын

Most of the 7800 library are games that were made very cheaply, and thus look cheap. Sadly, the 7800 could have competed with the Master System in terms of graphics, and sound, but Atari at the time was not willing to spend the money needed to compete better, and make there games stand out more, and instead was more interested in the computer market.

@SiMBi0ZZA

5 ай бұрын

@@KrunchyTheClown78 In my opinion, Atari did not know how to run a business in general, they were lucky at the very beginning, but when competitors appeared, they did anything but what they needed to win in the competition in the market. It was as if they did not understand the market and did not want to understand it. I translated it in the translator, don't be angry if it's written crookedly.

@KrunchyTheClown78

5 ай бұрын

@@SiMBi0ZZA yeah I agree with you. Atari was run by suits that were only focused on there bottom line.

TRASH VIDEO GAME, I PREFER THE NES 8-BIT!

Is this supposed to be 8 bit? What an embarassment.

@drakonolus7922

3 жыл бұрын

I'm agreed. But PS5 / Series X / Switch are beyond embaressment than this console.

@superknuckles9567

3 жыл бұрын

@@drakonolus7922 wdym

@nintega9289

3 жыл бұрын

There’s old 8 bits, Atari 2600 for example, and modern 8 bits, Nintendo Entertainment System for example. I would call this, no

@TheMahayanist

Жыл бұрын

@@drakonolus7922 Switch is sure. Series S is pretty awesome.

Total garbage.

the emulator used in this video was awful and doesn't do these games justice.

All Atari's were garbage