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I love the fact there is no need for painting. One less step and a better solution.

@MobilediscowirralCoUk

2 жыл бұрын

Saves money too

if they stick to sourcing local materials, and keeping supply lines short, I think they can. Many companies problems are coming from their supply lines, the small plants will keep costs low, and so long as they make a reliable product, their purpose build EV should be able to compete with a converted transit, just because of the benefits with turning radius and interior capacity.

@thatguyalex2835

2 жыл бұрын

My biggest issue with the arrival van is all the electronics in one tablet. I feel that there should be a digital panel flush with the central console for controlling the van, an option for drivers to use knobs to adjust the climate and a simple set of analog speedometer/instrument cluster directly behind the steering wheel. Now don't get me wrong, I like minimalism, but when it is not intuitive, the design fails. Also, I hope the Arrival van uses less cobalt in the battery (or solid state batteries), cos cobalt is mined from the Congo via harsh labor.

@JustJay1281

2 жыл бұрын

@@thatguyalex2835 the one small screen for everything may have been a cost cutting measure. Also this is pre-production, so that may change as they get feedback from reviewers like fifth gear. I would agree that is something that should change, as you are right that would be a pain

@thatguyalex2835

2 жыл бұрын

@@JustJay1281 I see, lots of things are cost cutting measures, which come at the expense of the operators (drivers/users of said technology). We as a society need to invest in good products, even though the price would be higher, in other words - the long term.

@vladimirputin4822

2 жыл бұрын

Sorry but that type of construction wont work to scale. It's also very flimsy and not efficient.

@Zedrophobia

2 жыл бұрын

I have doubts to the safety of the vehicle, that door wobble when he opened the door was crazy, pole impact must be shocking.

Really makes me smile as Fifth Gear, Top Gear and other major Media Auto outlets used to laugh and belittle EV’s…. Now they have to bow to them 😂😂⚡️⚡️

It just looks like the van of the future. I hope it will make it

That would make a cool camper van!

@Dubnoreix

2 жыл бұрын

@@24k__J, you do know there’s this thing called solar panels?

@Simon-dm8zv

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dubnoreix And fast chargers…

@petelattimer6808

2 жыл бұрын

@@Simon-dm8zv yes because theyre useful when you are in the middle of nowhere off grid for a while....

@Simon-dm8zv

2 жыл бұрын

@@petelattimer6808 Seems to be a very rare scenario. Most campervans don't ever get into any real wilderness. Last resort would be solar panels. Fast chargers will be all over the place by the way, just like gas stations are now.

@rogerstarkey5390

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dubnoreix Have you done the calculations?

Looks so futuristic

You gotta think about the maxus e deliver 9 with 220 mile range which is currently on sale now along side the smaller E deliver 3

will you, Vicky and Jason group test this one on a racing track when it enters production, like you did with Ami? cause... looking at it, it would have exactly the same sense as it did with Ami...

I work in a van factory and the demand is so high that I don’t think this micro company’s will able to meet demand they haven’t mention a what rate they could be building them and also that range wouldn’t suit many company’s that require a lot of motorway miles so there’s a lot unknowns in this project but is not a A bad idea and the reason why most car manufacturers use assembly lines it’s because it’s efficient and keeps cost down of manufacturing so basically the more you build the cheaper the product cost more profit

@mariusmartinsen2064

2 жыл бұрын

10000 vans per microfactory or 20000 with two shifts. It has ability to switch manufacturing from van to bus or car in same factory in no time that is what huge plants can't. Microfactory is not a new concept, have a look deeper into it and you will understand why it is more cost effective than plant pumping 200k vehicles per year.

@matthewspry4217

2 жыл бұрын

10000 per microfactory 20000 with double shifts. I smell a whole lotta wilful IGNORANCE around here

@laostiia1000

2 жыл бұрын

Their rate is 10000vans a year ??? What are you talking about read their Forbes page again? You think they will compete with a plant that can produce >120k vans a year on double shift ??

@petelattimer6808

2 жыл бұрын

@@mariusmartinsen2064 in the UK, Mercedes sell around 210,000 Sprinters alone. every year. its the second best selling van in the UK. the best seller is the Ford Transit, which sells nearly a MILLION units per YEAR! thats a LOT of expensive micro factories JUST to make enough vans for the UK! and thats BEFORE we take into account all the other vans on UK roads. and then theres all the vans that are used in the rest of the WORLD

@Gr33nMamba

2 жыл бұрын

The point of a micro-factory is that it can be replicated and scaled up quickly, as needed. It's a template.

I remember seeing this at Goodwood last year

all looking good! apart from one thing that I disliked is the over simplified dash with just a single screen. Basic controls like air con, window heating should have a physical button to reduce distractions.

Хорошее презентабельное видео .👍👏👏👏Надеемся, что и качество электромобилей будет на той же высоте.✊

Arrival GO!!!

I was wondering when the "milk float" would make a comeback !

fully charged did an article over 8 months ago about arrival 5th gear really late to the party talking about this item

Good work mate

Can’t wait for these to hit resale market, ideal for van camping

@spacepodstudio

2 жыл бұрын

Yes just needs a diesel heater.🤣🤣

@rogerstarkey5390

2 жыл бұрын

@@spacepodstudio You can heat it with 1-2 kW. No need for auxiliary heat.

刚才耐敲打，不会裂的“车身白板”，可以用来做所有电动车（电池箱不会热沸）的车身和车底板（省铁料）！（用汽油操作，油会热沸，车子底板和机器周围只好用铁板。）《铁架子支撑电动车的轮胎得用。》

Apart from small factories, you could see extreme customisation. I think this would suit Apple really well and would be a good fit to Arrival? Biggest unknown is their production volume per cell??

@optionprinting826

2 жыл бұрын

agreed, but for some reason I still think its canon goev that apple wanted to buy out. But now it looks like its been just in house tech from apple for their EVS. But we shall see, 100% load up on this though. Ups, kia, hyunadia deals

@rogerstarkey5390

2 жыл бұрын

It's a microfactory. They go to a company..... Let's say UPS(!) and build in the back of a "UPS" warehouse. THAT company then has its own fleet. Sounds like a plan?

Local material sourcing and manufacturing would be sweet.

it is an interesting option for a van convension. feels like it's almost built for it.

@rogerstarkey5390

2 жыл бұрын

This and Canoo.

Sounds like a lot of shipping is required to later assemble. I would have love to learn how it all comes together if produced in hundreds of locations globally. Why is this process more sustainable than conveyor belt production?

@godzillas6301

2 жыл бұрын

I think you hit it on the head . You assemble on a line to reduce space needed and collate everything you need into an area . The same volume of space is needed regardless of its location or rather histroy says more space is needed if its from a ground upwards build . Building on a pod idea will work however chain supply issues ( the irony ) will mean massive logistical issues to get the parts needed to create the vehicle . Also and its bloody obvious when you say it but a robot that needs to multi task is asking for software issues . On a line a robot has a single task as this therefore has built in reliability . You also dont need millions of quids worth of robot doing a demeaning job like dropping in 4 screws so theres a massive cost implication there as a vastly overcomplicated and expensive machines time is taken up with a task that something lesser would be appropriate . Quality control defines a business . With the business scattered and therefore qc impossible to be easily uniformed then good luck with this as a business model .

@jorsm.3893

2 жыл бұрын

​@@godzillas6301 But having everything in one location is by no means a guarantee for quality either. Quality issues like panel gaps (or paint deficiencies) in Teslas are something you could easily automatically detect with cameras, no human inspection needed. Any quality control you would automate would be much more consistent as well, regardless of whether you produce in 1 or in 10 locations. The supply chain issue is indeed the biggest issue. They are betting on fully recyclable materials (but of course that is mostly for the paneling). Since materials are easier to transport than finished producs, I think the concept has a change, but time will tell.

@godzillas6301

2 жыл бұрын

@@jorsm.3893 Not feeling it that way at all . Uniformity is what is needed to be assured of quality of product . However if there is multiples of different machine being used to create the same product this allows for more to go wrong noticed or otherwise . That enables quality control issues and the ability for a good quality product to become varied off the back of failures of machinery and the nuances of what could possibly go wrong . Remember they are talking about a single machine doing full assembly here . There isnt a secondry machine to double check given the first machine would be assumed to have done the job correctly in the first instance and this isnt about checking a panel gap , its about the entire assembly of a vehicle of which a failure within something deep within the assembled vehicle could create chaos and be a real trial to rectify . If the same machine is used day in day out , made exclusively and used for that single job then there beyond a higher chance that it will proform better and be more reliable in what it generates than something that requires many thousand folds worth of info to try to do its job within what would then be a billion parameters . That is asking for trouble ...... theres a very valid reason the world not full of small car production lines .

@aritakalo8011

2 жыл бұрын

@@jorsm.3893 Tesla's quality issues are not about them not being capable of better quality. Their leadership just don't care about the factory churning out bad quality. So they don't tell the factory making better quality. Instead the orders are "maximize production numbers". Even if that means putting out cars with shoddy unrepaired paint (which frankly someone at factory noticed, but nothing was done about it since production numbers is key, just push it out to customer and see whether they accept it). Slap the panels on place, oh it's uneven, no time to fix it, next one coming down the line already, put it out to customer. It is all about what is to the leadership is acceptable quality to put out to customer and when goes the red light go on and the item is held back as reject and not fit to be presented to the customer. Again automatic QC camera noticing bad panel gaps or paint would mean nothing, if on getting that alert the QC team just goes "can't hold it back, holding it back would mean not meeting this weeks production target, just send car out to customer". They aren't incomptent, they are doing it intentionally. Would they make better quality, if they could get same numbers out? Sure it doesn't hurt to have better quality, but that is secondary to the production numbers. Since having better quality would mean potentially halting the production line to calibrate production machinery, fix this or that jig, retrain crew, upload new software to robots, adjust this or that process and so on. Plus of course holding the rejects back. Reject hold back is one car not to be tallied in production numbers for the week. Where as if you put it out, it is number on production/sales tab and well "we fix it later on field service, maybe, when we get to it. eventually or compensate the owner with new car from later production and then take the car back to be reworked... on the long slow rework queue. Since rework and field service queue doesn't show up in the financial numbers headlines, unlike factory quarterly production numbers." Its all about the business.

@jorsm.3893

2 жыл бұрын

​@@godzillas6301 "theres a very valid reason the world not full of small car production lines", because a group of people succesfully tried that model, it worked well/was profitable, and so everyone replicated it because they know it works. It doesn't mean that something else couldn't work, and there is nothing wrong with trying another approach, even if it fails people will learn a lot more from this experiment than from similar businesses following the traditional practices. There is many ways to look at it. I am aware that a machine that does 100 different jobs will probably be a lot more complicated and have more potential points of failure than a machine that only does one job, but I do believe that technology has evolved enough that things like this could be done reliably. Also their vehicles have been designed from the ground up to match this method of manufacturing. Finally there is significant difference in the impact of a single failure. With the concept arrival would try, if one assembly unit fails, that would hardly threaten the revenue of the company (compared to stopping a huge assembly line). In fact engineers could probably take their sweet time to resolve any quality issues before starting that production cell up again. Only time will tell if it could work. You might be right, you might be wrong, at least it's innovating/interesting to follow.

You’ve asked the wrong question. Will they be able to take on the massive Lorry van ICE market in the UK and cargo van ICE market globally is the question. With price parity at time of purchase, since there EV vans should have a MUcH lower cost of ownership, better cargo efficiency these will be compelling attributes. Reliability, supply, and distribution will be some of Arrivals hurdles but I am rooting for them!

What will the range and performance be when fully laden?

@Gr33nMamba

2 жыл бұрын

That's dictated by the major companies actual requirements, there are four battery sizes at the moment, up to 211 miles on a payload of 1615KG, those 10,000 orders (That was UPS) didn't come from guessing what they wanted in a van.

@vladimirputin4822

2 жыл бұрын

@@Gr33nMamba 1 van per week is about capacity. A bus will take a month.

This really SHOULD be the future and I hope it is.... I know the company is on Life Support right now and that's sad because it just makes so much more sense...

The cost of electricity in the u.k is going up year over year and were are the charging stations.

@Brian-om2hh

2 жыл бұрын

If the cost of electricity goes up, then so does the cost of refining oil into petrol and diesel..... oil refineries use *lots* of electricity...

Van conversions on this will be epic....basically closedr to an american style rv than a UK campervan

@darkoampem

2 жыл бұрын

If you can get proper 240v out from the vans battery, then yes. Even more if they offer 4wd.

@darkoampem

2 жыл бұрын

I just realised they are partnering with Hyundai/Kia. The Hyundai Ionic 5 already has a 240v power output and AWD versions so this pairing would be pretty good. Add all the features that come as standard on a Kia like lane keeping assist etc. it could potentially be best van in class.

It would makes a great camper van

It's cool!

no mention of price for the max range version. No doubt it will be silly

Good to see non corroding body panels. This is the only reason I am buying a cybertruck and the reason I would not buy another sprinter. The sprinter was not presentable after 3 years as it already showed rust. As a business owner my fleet of vans are my main advertisement medium.

I think it looks fantastic, just put in a few more seats and windows and I'll have it as a car 😀

@Brian-om2hh

2 жыл бұрын

Not much good for that. Light commercial vehicles cannot legally exceed 50 mph on a single carriageway road......

@DAveShillito

2 жыл бұрын

@@Brian-om2hh That's only 10mph less than a car... legally🤔 But I was more saying, if they made a car version I'd be interested in it.

Keep the prices realistic and the distance / range realistic and you`ll do well. Established companies see electric vehicles as a ``i`m saving the planet`` cash cow.

@LemonySnicket-EUC

2 жыл бұрын

Which is a false narrative

Arrival's production model is really compelling. I don't know if they will be the company to make it work but it is definitely the future. The more localized the production the better. Global supply lines are a liability and should be minimized

@alpinblautouren548

2 жыл бұрын

Arrivals production is shit !!!!! Cause they aint got any !!!!!!

Why the price drops a lot to $3.24 today? It is unbelievable.

Awesome

They need to create a Class B RV variant.

Great video, great idea from Arrival

Plastic body panels are genius, why don't more cars have them?

@matthewnightingale4675

2 жыл бұрын

It's cost effective, reusable, recyclable and lightweight. Most cars have at least some plastic panels, they just don't advertise it becuase most peoples perception of plastic and cars don't go well together. Makes no difference to me!

@Robert-cu9bm

2 жыл бұрын

All bumpers are now plastic.

@tzeimet

2 жыл бұрын

@@Robert-cu9bm Yes. But they're painted, which defeats the benefit, as they can scratch easily.

@Robert-cu9bm

2 жыл бұрын

@@tzeimet So can coloured plastic. It also fades in a few years, paint doesn't.

@tzeimet

2 жыл бұрын

@@Robert-cu9bm Paint definitely fades, that's why you have to buff it after a few years to restore the colour. Coloured plastic can be made resistant to fading by incorporating a UV filtering layer.

going to convert one into an ice cream van :)

Good at manufacturing videos . . .

On vans and budget cars better you offer range instead of power. 400 nm i think is more than enough. I'm happy to buy and electric car/van if they offer me long range. Don't want to reach 60 mph in 3 sec. Is good in 10-15 sec as well. for me is matter the range

i would buy it as a private vehicle at a drop of a hat tbh!

They need to be getting producing or they will miss the boat!

2 things that will need addressing for a production variant: -Far less reliance on touchscreen; a tradie with dirty hands from a hard day's work isn't going to appreciate getting dirt all over the screen. -Rear and side access doors need to be wide enough for a pallet

@logicalChimp

2 жыл бұрын

The van shown was specifically for Amazon-style local small-parcel deliveries, not for bulk-item distribution (they've probably got a different van design for that, with - as you mentioned - sufficiently large rear/side access)

Campervan version please!🤞

@Simon-dm8zv

2 жыл бұрын

Great base for a diy conversion 😀

Local components is good in practice, but then you've potentially got varying quality issues. Cellular construction, instead of a production line... ummmm not so sure on. I get why, but there's a reason it's been so successful since Mr Ford started with it. It's possibly got other ways to be improved, but not sure that's the solution 🤔

@jamesengland7461

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. A great idea for small runs, like British sports cars, but this is a work vehicle. Largely all the same!

@logicalChimp

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesengland7461 I *think* the idea is closer to the hand-built British sports car approach... namely, instead of trying to crank out 100,000 identical vans for sale across the country, any single microfactory might crank out e.g. 2,000 vans for the local delivery companies, and 100 busses, and 500 long-distance couriers, and 200 Model XYZ, etc.... and relying on the cell-style production flexibility to produce small numbers of lots of models locally, rather than producing high numbers of 1-2 models for shipment around the country No idea whether it's actually viable, but that seems to be the idea they're pushing for.

So nice ev vans.

I'd love to see sombody turn this into a motor home

@thomasfromswindon7609

2 жыл бұрын

your not the first to say that.

@ChromeLuxx

2 жыл бұрын

No need, already too many vehicles clogging the roads. Like to see all motor homes crushed, 50-70s are long gone and that concept is unsupportable.

@logicalChimp

2 жыл бұрын

@@ChromeLuxx Motorhomes don't significantly increase traffic on the road - because if someone wasn't driving their motorhome, they'd be driving their regular vehicle to stay in an AirBnB, etc.... and at least these EV vans shouldn't be as slow on the uphill as most motorhomes, etc.

@salmacuppini6772

2 жыл бұрын

i would love to make it for motorhome it was the first thing i thought when i saw it❤️🥰

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Жыл бұрын

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It looks cool tho

Glorifies milk float. The bottleneck that hasn't changed is the good old lithium ion cell.

Heaven forbid if Transit goes fully electric. I have a new diesel Transit and the elec/computer screen etc has caused nothing but intermittent problems that Ford can not fix.

@dashcam2417

2 жыл бұрын

The new Transit E comes out this year ..... You can't even add a tow bar to it 🙄

@thatguyalex2835

2 жыл бұрын

I feel that electric vehicles should stick to analog gauges, unless the electronics technology steps up quite quickly. :) All cars should have analog backups.

@thatguyalex2835

2 жыл бұрын

@@AlaricTheArcane Well, I love modern technology, and would love to see a speedometer similar to one in the Honda FCX Clarity (early 2010s, with the futuristic display).

@petelattimer6808

2 жыл бұрын

such a bad van they outsell every other single van by 3 units to 1. when theres MILLIONS made, there will inevitably be an odd one thats bad that doesnt show initially and slips through the net. a friend has a fleet of vans. the one he uses personally is a transit. as far as im aware its not cost him a penny or a minute in downtime since hes had it, unlike the other (non ford) vans in his fleet.

@petelattimer6808

2 жыл бұрын

@@dashcam2417 its a big problem with most electric vehicles and i gather its to do with keeping the batteries/motors cool mostly. i think towing ANYTHING will be a thing of the past soon, without a HGV licence

Door shut like a series 1 landrover

Just drop the milk on the porch please. Jokes aside. I look forward to seeing these on the road

Transit sales are so high as tradesmen have brought so many over the last couple of years, all with the help of bounce back loans

How did they manage to get the same range of an electric Transit from a much larger battery?

@grahammonk8013

2 жыл бұрын

I've found various claims for Ford EV transit range, from 126-196 miles. Is that loaded/unloaded? Can't find definitive information from Ford themselves.

@matthewnightingale4675

2 жыл бұрын

Commercial vehicles always rate the range with a payload, unfortunately they all use a different volume of payload when the generate their specifications so it is not easy to compare exactly. It would be convenient if there was a set weight they tested with to make sure it is fair, but sadly not. But do know that whatever they claim, it is with at least some weight in the vehicle.

@Simon-dm8zv

2 жыл бұрын

This van is larger than a Transit.

@Robert-cu9bm

2 жыл бұрын

@@matthewnightingale4675 You sure about that?... I've never seen a manufacturer rate the worst case. Only best ever case.

@mariusmartinsen2064

2 жыл бұрын

@@Robert-cu9bm check Porsche.. They always underrate

What is Roy doing at Fifth Gear? What I'm missing?

@Ben-oy1td

2 жыл бұрын

Do keep up

@Brian-om2hh

2 жыл бұрын

Who is Roy? This guy is called Rory.....

They should build units for motorhome conversion. Not complex. It just went wrong. Not good for a review. One big plus of this “build on a skate” structure is that the batteries could be replaced independently of everything else. (as battery technology advances).

Nice idea but just looks like too much of the operation is based on radical and untested logistics on this scale for a company trying to take on mainstream manufactures. Has flop written all over it imo.

@mariusmartinsen2064

2 жыл бұрын

I remember people doubted Tesla 🤣

@bitcoingear5292

2 жыл бұрын

@@mariusmartinsen2064 Tesla mass manufacturing is very similar to traditional auto manufacturing, with some novel efficiency gains thanks to large die casting pieces. Not at all what Arrival is doing with low quantity small factories, which goes against traditional economies of scale.

@alanlight7740

2 жыл бұрын

I think it's a bit too early to say much on this topic. Micro-factories certainly have their advantages and will be coming, but the economics depend on new technologies that are not quite ready yet. Arrival will have to navigate a difficult path - if they are too late others will get there first, if they are too early they could go bankrupt while waiting for the technological developments that they need. In any case, I wish them the best.

Today the company is valued at 3b. The problem with the Ford Transit is that its just going to be using old technology and not built from scratch

How about making more power stations 1st to power all these new elv's when on charge

@Simon-dm8zv

2 жыл бұрын

Because that is not the problem.

@martsvan1

2 жыл бұрын

@@Simon-dm8zv so if 50% of UK had a elv and put on charge at around the same time the power surge wouldn't create a problem for the energy consumption company and cause a blackout especially at winter times where no solar power is 100% and only relying on wind power if no stormy weather on the time scale

@Simon-dm8zv

2 жыл бұрын

@@martsvan1 Yup and that is exactly why power spreading (peak shaving) is so important. We only need about 10 kWh per day per vehicle on average- so it is just a matter of spreading that out over, lets say, 12 hours.

Will the Transit be able to survive against the companies like Arrival that don’t have a massive investment in old technology and machinery? Ford look to me like they are doing too little, too late. There is no way a retro fitted van like the Transit is going to compete with ground up designed BEVs, even if the range claims suggest otherwise. I suspect Arrival are keeping their cards close to their chest.

@MobilediscowirralCoUk

2 жыл бұрын

Blockbuster vs Netflix! 100%

@matthewspry4217

2 жыл бұрын

Nokia Vs Apple 👍

@matthewspry4217

2 жыл бұрын

I'm 15k invested 👍

@jeremymanson1781

2 жыл бұрын

The Arrival van is aiming to be cheaper and easier to maintain. Businesses are very focused on cost saving. I am very interested to see if Arrival can pull this off.

@matthewspry4217

2 жыл бұрын

@@jeremymanson1781 how interested I'm 15k interested 👍💵💵💵

Looking better for me, that range will almost last me all day

@Robert-cu9bm

2 жыл бұрын

Half what's stated and that's what's actual usable.

@petelattimer6808

2 жыл бұрын

and take you how long to recharge, at home?

@20thcenturygamer22

2 жыл бұрын

@@petelattimer6808 Ah it won't be, not until there's some ruling over who's responsible should someone trip over the cable

"There are several different batteries", "the van is"....."there is"... Don't you mean 'will be"? What about safety, how does it perform?

It looks like a specials bus I’ll stick with my 160hp Sprinter cheers

One thought is that solar panels need to get a lot cheaper to create the power for all these electric vehicles .

@Simon-dm8zv

2 жыл бұрын

Solar has already become massively cheaper.

In profile it looks like a mk3 Transit. Very odd looking - and I’m not sure I like how utilitarian some of these upcoming EVs are becoming - are manufacturers lining us up for a move to PAYG vehicles?

Wait, what's Rory doing here?

The very reason of the invention of assembly line is that a bunch of single-taskers are way more efficient that a bunch of multi-taskers. Fun to see how 'innovator' promote something old and backwards as something progressive and advanced

@logicalChimp

2 жыл бұрын

More efficient, less flexible - which was the point made, multiple times (iirc) in the video.

The problem of these EV introduction KZread videos is that it does not tell or shows real cost of EV ownership or operating cost as fleet.Understanding that it might good for sustainability but it need to suitable for business . Can it provides or deliver competitive price compare to ICE vehicles ? How about charging infurstructure ? where is nearest charging station? When can these EV deliver to customer?

A quick google of the company now and you see headlines containing the word 'troubled' with stories about job cuts, winding up petitions from creditors and a collapse in share prices.

1:45 dude your not in cyberpunk mate your in a factory and your giving an interview to propote this brand .

It will need better range than that if ford are getting the same range from a battery half the size

@Travisb238

2 жыл бұрын

But the Arrival Van is what, like twice the cargo capacity at the same range. I see that as a negative to Ford. Depends on the price of the vans I guess.

@Simon-dm8zv

2 жыл бұрын

The range of the Ford is not realistic at all.

Those electric vans are good in town, but for a County or regional work the diesel version is still the best

@jeremymanson1781

2 жыл бұрын

Yes they are specifically designed for urban deliveries.

Lets assume that somehow we share cars so there is just 1/4 of them on the roads. Lets assume all of them are electric. Just imagine how would the power grid should look like to power them all up. It is impossible now, and it will be impossible in the near future.

@joshhancill7273

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve always said that, they’ll start introducing certain times to use certain appliances

@matthewnightingale4675

2 жыл бұрын

With the continued uptake of evs the creation of more energy will follow, new facilities are coming along regularly. The data is continually being monitored, don't expect blackouts. Maybe the government will bring back subsidies for solar power on residential along with battery storage to enable people to be able to create their own power for their own vehicles.

@Simon-dm8zv

2 жыл бұрын

It’s not impossible at all.

@Robert-cu9bm

2 жыл бұрын

@@Simon-dm8zv No not impossible, just costs us 25% of our electricity bill every quarter.

@Simon-dm8zv

2 жыл бұрын

@@Robert-cu9bm I don’t see a problem in that?

Really interesting. I’m wondering when they will be able to use that technology for 44 ton articulated trucks. If you look at percentage of pollution nearly 50% of diesel emissions are from lorries. I know Tesla have tried and failed but when is someone going to solve this problem. As a truck driver myself the range on current electric trucks is laughable. When will the technology be there? Seems daft to me that the government wants to ban production of gasoline engines in a few years when they are only solving half the problem.

@grahammonk8013

2 жыл бұрын

"I know Tesla have tried and failed" Bit early to say that. They're late, certainly. The Semi, Roadster, and the Cybertruck all need the 4680 to be viable, and it's taken longer than expected, (well, longer than Elon expected) to get that running. The 4680 exists, but production rate was not good enough, but it seems they have got the major problem sorted. Austin is reported to be on the verge of producing Model Y with them. The Semi won't be in mass production until that ramps up. Pepsi was to get a dozen of them last month, which didn't happen, though the Megachargers are being installed now. I don't know if Arrival has plans for a class 8 truck, they have car and bus prototypes, but I have the feeling their technology is not suited to that market. The way I see it, Tesla is the only likely manufacturer of big trucks, mostly because of the required volume of batteries. That means that even sourcing raw materials is problematic, and Tesla has been the only one who seems to be making moves upstream in the raw materials supply chain. The other possibility is BYD, they're already building a fair number of buses.

@techalyzer

2 жыл бұрын

For the size of a truck, aren't solar panels a great solution?

@Robert-cu9bm

2 жыл бұрын

@@techalyzer You don't keep the same trailer, you drop it off and get a new one. You would have to convert your fleet of trailers, for the few EVs you have.

@Robert-cu9bm

2 жыл бұрын

@@grahammonk8013 The semi is never coming, energy density stops it in its track.

@Simon-dm8zv

2 жыл бұрын

@@Robert-cu9bm Of course the Semi is coming. First few are being delivered to Pepsi now.

211 mile is that fully loaded I doubt it!

The headlights in the cavities will be filled with snow and ice when it is winter. An obvious design flaw.

Not allowed to use your phone, but a giant ipad is fine!

This guy is not a car guy. He is a product reviewer from you tube! I’ve been a fan of 5th Gear since it started but I won’t be continuing if this is the standard of presenter.

Not a chance a Transit will be getting over 200 miles out of a 68kwh battery

@roland9367

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. And I think the Arrival van (with 130kWh) will do that, even on cold days.

It's not new coachbuilders would take a ready made chassis and build a body on it and hitting a panel with a hammer while holding it in your hand Is not a example of strength these are steer by wire buggys with very light body's I wouldn't like to crash test one and I can't see if ups has 50 of these at a depot how they can load wash clean and charge them all for the next days shift I spent 15 years in a bus depot that would be even harder still you can see why in London they went for hybrid buses and taxis

as normal, vans under full load will reduce the miles so 200miles per charge will reduce

@myid9876543

2 жыл бұрын

Weight usually doesn’t impact range nearly as much as you’d think, even tremendously less for hybrids or EVs. I wouldn’t be surprised to see less than 10% of a difference in range between loaded and unloaded. Not the same with towing where it’s usually above a 50% hit. Totally different thing compared to towing.

@gavwyatt5314

2 жыл бұрын

@@myid9876543 fully loaded we all know physics mean more power required . And the more demand for electric the higher the price of electric will become. Nice to know your efforts to make money to sell an idea that will come back and haunt you

@logicalChimp

2 жыл бұрын

@@gavwyatt5314 Bear in mind that for stop/start driving (such as the local deliveries intent for the van shown) means a lot of that extra energy gets recaptured via increased regen (there's still losses, but it helps mitigate some of the impact). Separately, we don't know whether Arrival were quoting range figures empty, or fully loaded... and shows like FGR tend to gloss over those 'little details', unfortunately. That said, the fact that the quoted numbers were (from memory) ~200 miles from 135kWh battery implies they must be fully loaded, given the F150 Lighting truck (with far worse aero) gets better range with a 1000lb load... either that, or Arrival *really* need to speak their sponsors in Korea to find out how to program an electric drivetrain...

@gavwyatt5314

2 жыл бұрын

@@logicalChimp and every 3-5 years companies will have to buy new battery packs as batteries will lose 15%-30% power per year on charge cycles, then when spent placed in a concrete box and buried like nuclear waste, so is the electric car going to save the world NO it will add to the issues

@logicalChimp

2 жыл бұрын

@@gavwyatt5314 Uhmm - battery life is a lot longer than that, even with cycling... and you do realise batteries are recyulced with around 98% efficiency? Given the $1000's of materials in those packs, there is no way they'll be buried (or if they are, someone will be along that evening to dig it up again :p)

the lights are entirely in the wrong place by the looks of it, like all concept vehicles

This amazing production method is the reason why car companies invested hundreds of millions into this company.

@gottliebdee263

2 жыл бұрын

Where did you get the data on the investments from? You stated car companies, plural. Only ONE was mentioned as an investor.

@Kocan7

2 жыл бұрын

@@gottliebdee263 Nowhere, it's just deduction and speculation. Their car is quite bad, but they have innovative production method, and already hundreds of millions have been invested by car companies. So it means they see something in this company, and it's not their EV tech, because car's range is way worse than it should be.

@Robert-cu9bm

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah not going to happen. Robots can build a complete car, if they could manufacturers like Toyota and VW group would be doing it.

Looks like a ford transit from robocop it wasnt futuristic styling at all 😊 same like this one...

So when you get into an accident your the first to die? What about a crash test? Survival rate? Very low.

5:00 wow what a let down. im also not confident with their cell and thermoplastic strategy unless they really don't expect to sell much of this

Ford are being hopelessly optimistic if they think they're going to get over 200 mile range from a 68 kWh battery in a Transit. Unladen at a constant 30mph maybe.

Ok, but their valuation 2 years ago is irrelevant. Their stocks however have been falling every since, especially since autumn 2021 because they still don't have a vehicle in production - even before the chinese crash hit. ...not that I'm saying they're a bad company. They're investing in their R&D and manufacturing base to ensure their modular plans work, and they can get off to a running start when they do start producing. I think they'll probably recover, if they can survive the current crash long enough. But opening with 'oh 2 years ago they were valued huge' without talking about *current* valuation is bad financial journalism, sorry. You'd have been better off not mentioning that bit, otherwise I'm afraid you might as well just be the marketing arm of Arrival.

@IM-gc1vp

2 жыл бұрын

100% agree! It's dirt cheap valuation now

@KeithBab

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I've been seeing these 'reviews' for what feel like years. But they still haven't delivered anything. If their micro-factory was more than a concept they should be making dozen of these a week.

Are you allowed to use the touch screen while driving, needs to be inline of site rather than stretching your neck to see the screen.

"Move the passenger compartment as far forward as possible." or "place the expendable driver in the crumple zone."

@gerrybaker1422

2 жыл бұрын

😂

@logicalChimp

2 жыл бұрын

Regular ICE vans have to fit a crumple zone *and* an ICE engine... even allowing for some overlap, that still means there's space there to move the driver forward (by removing the ICE) without putting them into the crumple zone.

The WEF electric car channel.

Seriously plastic on van? You won't need any repair for the van, because any accident the car is gone. Good luck on the car safety test.

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van from the 90s maybe

Perhaps they can make the worlds first amphibious electric van. So that the U.K. can import immigrants they don’t need in these micro factories faster and more safely across the channel.

How long does it take to build a van in one of those cells? Normally an assembly line takes about 36-40 hours to build a 3,000 part car. Elon Musk rather famously sneered at the legacy assembly line at the former Toyota/GM factory and spent millions replacing them with robots and his own system. Turned out that he should have stayed with the Toyota/GM assembly line, they build cars that were more complicated than his Model 3 in less time and with more precision.

@logicalChimp

2 жыл бұрын

True, for his original / initial attempt... now Tesla are building a complete vehicle in ~10 hours, prompting companies like VW to cite it as a specific threat to their profitability, and designing their own new factory (in Wolfsburg) to try and compete by adopting some of Teslas production processes. Not a massive fan of Musk, personally, but I have to admit that a lot of his ideas do work out - eventually.

@rogerstarkey5390

2 жыл бұрын

@@logicalChimp VW won't get close.

SLOW... How long does it take to make 1 van as looks soooo SLOW. Just can't see how they could produce say 100,000 a year like this. Is building 20 small factories more expensive and complex than 1 big one, hmm