This is a very interesting conversation. Well done!

Thoughtful and rational discussion! So refreshing to find this on KZread. Thanks.

Niall Ferguson's comments from 2018 seem so quaint in 2020.

@keithtaylor5156

3 жыл бұрын

This hasn't aged well at all.

@Cedillallidec

3 жыл бұрын

Why? Everything he takes about has been proven to be true. He correctly predicted the outcome of the Muller investigation. And on the impeachment being a non-event like Iran-Contra instead of Watergate. And he has correctly predicted the Republican party sticking with Trump even when approval ratings are in the 30% level. And his analysis of the DNC email hack would remain unchanged. And his analysis of how poorly Clinton responded to the 2016 islamist attacks scuppered her campaign and bolstered Trump remains sound.

@keithtaylor5156

3 жыл бұрын

Cedillallidec, You are right on those points. The bit I was mostly reacting too was the familiar narrative comment. I think that is the bit that has aged badly. Nothing feels familiar about the current circumstances. It doesn’t look or feel like previous scandals.

@jrwsaranac

3 жыл бұрын

@@keithtaylor5156 Thanks!

@1Hominid

3 жыл бұрын

Keith Taylor you have to ask yourself what is creating the current situation, Trump and his actions or the fervent reaction to Trump. Always anticipating looming tyranny in their minds to justify tyrannical behavior on their part because the ends justify the means. After all, the stakes are too high in their minds. I’m basically a disaffected liberal at this point mostly because I believe the latter is largely true.

Niall is a hedge above the rest in so far as his ability to explain to we peasants ...love that guy !

I wonder what Niall thinks now?

Two respected intellectuals doing their best to discredit any merit they once earned.It is good that this was posted so we can see the truth now behind the pontification then. It would be great to see a 30 minute apology and retraction of all the unfounded slurs from them both.

I enjoyed this conversation, but I feel.the title was misleading as to the actual.content.

listening to this now in 2020 - wow this guy really had this bang on on many respects- nice

I used to really look up to Sam as my intellectual hero. He has taught me a valuable lesson. Never have a hero and no matter how smart you are, you can be completely wrong on so many things.

@krisvq

3 жыл бұрын

The point is that he presents arguments you can then agree or disagree with. Whether he's wrong or not isn't for you to judge. You do you.

@warmthofthewind7791

3 жыл бұрын

I know exactly what you mean, sadly you’ll pretty much never in your life find someone who you agree with on every single thing. Find someone who you just like agree with their thinking style. It goes for relationships and friendships as well.

@mudderdrummer

3 жыл бұрын

Anyone can be wrong, no matter who they are. Sam would even admit that he can be wrong. But with Trump, I am still baffled how my compatriots still don't care ENOUGH about the character of the leader, especially the leader of the free world. "Trump is Trump" is what I hear all the time.

@ShrubOfDeath

3 жыл бұрын

@@mudderdrummer It's not just a case of Sam being wrong. He actively put himself in a information bubble of liars. His idea of showing his supporters that he could have a conversation outside his bubble; was by talking to a never-Trump, mainstream media Republican. He considered people outside the mainstream media "internet goons". He refused to even listen to them. Turns out that a lot of the internet goons have had far more valuable and truthful things to say than the media. I would rather a non-politician leader who tells it like it is than a polished politician skilled in shaking hands, reading a teleprompter, deflecting answers and doing what they are told by the people who paid for them to get where they are.

@phoenixmichaels

3 жыл бұрын

@@mudderdrummer To quote you: " But with Trump, I am still baffled how my compatriots still don't care ENOUGH about the character of the leader, especially the leader of the free world." Glad to end your consternation. The position of president is NOT about personality. It is not about haircuts. It is NOT even about civility. Foreign policy. Domestic policy. The economy. The budget. The rest is white noise. And after a LONG line of presidents which were articulate, socially acceptable, and "PC"... we were being fucked. We needed a bully, a narcissist, an outsider, and a workaholic to tear through that normalcy bias like a wrecking ball. Trump is doing that. Makes us cringe sometimes yes. Remember: NOBODY wanted him in, not even the republicans. Should tell you something. Should tell you that the republican/democrat hold on this country was a sham... a puppet show for your continued enslavement.

I used to keep Sam in high esteem. His take on Trump proves someone can be intelligent and stupid at the same time.

@domcoke

Жыл бұрын

His take on Trump was always spot on - Anyone that supported Trump was a fucking moron

Niall Ferguson's comments have not aged well. He obviously didn't expect the attempted insurrection at the capitol.

One thing I have to point out: it wasn't "FBI director Comey's decision..." to speak publicly 10 days before the election, his protocol literally stipulated that he could not favor timing for political bias. If he was to speak, he had to speak immediately as he did. What would you have him do? Act with a political bias counter the FBI director's mandate or follow a protocol which over time would be more fair than one particular case where it didn't work out in everyone's favour? I hate the Comey blaming because you should blame him for not recommending charges, reminding the judge that his recommendation would be executed on, while also admitting she was guilty of mishandling classified material.

This is an exceptionally low-hanging conversation that does no justice to neither party

@Matlockization

5 жыл бұрын

Only that the 'neither party' talked about most of the time is the Republicans and russiagate. No mention of the elephant in the room being the Democrats dealing with Russia and Hillary's mysterious server.

I'd love to hear a follow-up on this topic between these two.

Watching this 7/30/18, I suspect it will be even more interesting to revisit as time goes by

@romeljimenez9289

3 жыл бұрын

I dunno about that. Looks like everything worked out.

Any one know the program that enables you to meter the audio visually like in this video??

I thought it was Douglas Murray till I read the description

@korokshiding

3 жыл бұрын

They both attended Oxford University, that accounts for the accent similarity. In actual fact Murray is English and Ferguson is Scottish, so they would likely sound very different if educated elsewhere.

@horzathirteen

2 жыл бұрын

@@korokshiding That's really intriguing - do you not hear that Niall has a Scottish accent then?

Finally Sam gets a moment to be mindful of his own desires to have reality conform to his views, which is diametrically opposed to mindfulness meditation and life view, which he assumes to teach. Oh, and, you know, his ideas of scientific impartiality. Oh, yeah, and his neuro-science background, which from just a bare scratch makes me realize my biases are not worth feeding, and Im assuming he feels the same based on every talk he gives, except for, you know, the ones on Trump. God bless you Sam for making me find meditation, and now you are the Buddha that gets killed on the street.

Would you kindly tell me how or what you use to have this audio wave graphic?

America gets the leaders it deserves.

Listening to this now, it’s quite impressive how close Niall get’s with his predictions: that the impeachment would be closer to Iran-Contra than Watergate and how the republicans would stay home on Trump with his approval bottoming out in the high thirties.

@rtmordecai1

4 жыл бұрын

Dawn of the Dad , I mean no one who remembers what happened in 2016 should be deluded enough to think the lead Biden has right now is insurmountable for Trump. That being said, it’s been steady enough, and in the right battleground territories, that Trump is going to have his work cut out for him if he clings to his current strategies and Biden doesn’t suffer a major setback.

@rtmordecai1

4 жыл бұрын

Dawn of the Dad, it’s definitely not paranoid tp prepare yourself for a Trump upset. Everything I’m reading/hearing from Nate Silver is that Trump ate up a lead about two thirds as big as what Biden has back in 2016. It would be a bigger upset, but that’s why it’s important we keep the perspective.

My two favorite heroes; bill maher and now sam harris have fallen into the pits of emotional irrationality. They're flawless in their atheism but against trump they are faltering.

@jamesappleton5455

3 жыл бұрын

Couldn’t agree more.

This is two years old, wonder if he'd like to reevaluate Trump.

Wonder if Ferguson has since revised his assessment of Trump?

Nial has that kind British voice that if he were to say "The moon is made of blue cheese", I would believe it.

@MALEXI10

3 жыл бұрын

May I ask why you refer to his accent as British and not English? You're technically correct but I don't think you would call his accent "British" if he had a strong Scottish as accent. Just curious!

@symzie

3 жыл бұрын

@@MALEXI10 His accent is Scottish which is one of the British accents. Can't see the problem.

@MALEXI10

3 жыл бұрын

@@symzie I stand corrected!

Damn I need to get cosy with a few Ferguson books

@Odin197188

3 жыл бұрын

*Cozy

@aaronclarke7732

3 жыл бұрын

@@Odin197188 cosy*

Always nice to hear an evenhanded voice regarding politics and its place in an historical context and reminds us that our current situation is neither unique nor wholly of our making but is often the aftershocks of history and its various accretions; echoes from the past come to play their tune again.

This didn’t age well with the Russia-gate and steel dossier chatter.

Argument Doesn’t age well. Or we are really dealing with an unforeseeable crisis.

@MrBlitzer662002

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, russiagate being a hoax kinda kills this segment

@MadiTheMiss

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrBlitzer662002 actually it's for the opposite reason.

I don't hear where Harris was given pause by Ferguson. he simply made statements that Harris left without contradiction... Ferguson said nothing new regarding the election of Trump. Yes he gave his take on it but nothing there that hasn't been said by others he changed nothing in the judgement of Harris re Trump.

Niall Ferguson makes the mistake of not taking in consideration the indirect effect of Russian intervention. Compared to a forest fire , a lit match is small. But without it the forest would not be on fire in the first place.

@dliston1

3 жыл бұрын

there is no Russian intervention dumbass. go back to watching MSNBC

Nail Ferguson really understands political history and human behavior on a collective scale. With counter factual history he’s also very good at theorizing. I really appreciate this conversation.

Sam should definitely wear a t-shirt that says "But I think I'm right."

@seanpierre1338

3 жыл бұрын

Im a fan of sam harris but i can see why working class people in the mid west would see him as a sanctimonious southern californian who is morally superior

@cmhardin37

2 жыл бұрын

@@seanpierre1338 but of course you see Sam as morally superior because you are so educated.

@seanpierre1338

2 жыл бұрын

@@cmhardin37 i think you misread my comment

This hasn’t aged well for either of them.

@morpheus6749

5 жыл бұрын

Mostly for Sam.

@catherinezeidler312

4 жыл бұрын

They both prove to be aholes

@cedricpod

3 жыл бұрын

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@austinbyrd4164

3 жыл бұрын

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@zbubby1202

3 жыл бұрын

@@cedricpod man how is that schizophrenia treating you? Less word salad?

A few things. First, I make a bit more than 20k a year. Since the new tax reform went into effect, I've definitely been paying less taxes. I'm an hourly employee, so my paychecks vary a decent amount; however, when I compare similar paychecks I easily pay around about $15-$20 dollars less a week. Now, I know that deductions and exemptions were changed a bit as well, so I'll have to wait until Feb/March of 2019 to see my refund and know for sure, but it really looks to me like its complete bullshit that the "beneficiaries" are corporations and "the rich." I totally understand that their percentages were cut as well, but people who make more than me a year are already paying the amount of tax I pay up to my income bracket. I don't really understand why people say that this system "benefits the rich" when I see it on my paycheck that I'm receiving a benefit as well. $15-$20 a week probably doesn't sound like much to someone like Sam Harris, but I can eat breakfast AND lunch all week with that money. It makes a pretty big difference to me because I already don't have much. Now, maybe I'll get a shit return next year, so maybe I'll end up eating my words, but from what I've read, that doesn't look like its going to be true. We'll see. Also, I'm really disappointed that Harris and Ferguson actually think that Trump was "talking about the election being stolen before he won it." I'm disappointed because he simply refused--before the election happened--that he would respect the results. I find this to be a remarkable amount of honesty from someone running for president because after every election the loser always files some lawsuit about how things were handled wrongly. Even Hillary did this after the 2016 election and indeed after she chastised Trump so boorishly for saying he might not "respect the results." Is it honestly respecting the results when you stir up this craziness with collusion with Russia? People have been investigating this Russia garbage for a year and a half and we still don't have any evidence. Again, like the taxes, maybe I'll end up eating my words again here because Mueller's investigation is ongoing. However, this is what I see right now. I can only make judgments about what I currently know, and I think its rather foolish to continue this elitist nonsense where "public intellectuals" know what's better for the vulgar people than they do for themselves. I don't understand why that's so hard for the the "sophisticated" to understand. . . Ferguson is absolutely spot on about the Catharsis though. While I think Trump simply winning the nomination was enough to be Cathartic, I think that since Trump won there is next to no chance that the alt-right will serve any purpose beyond four chan trolls for the proximate future. Since Trump actually won the nomination, I don't think there was really a danger of them for quite a while, but now there's no chance.

@thevoxdeus

Жыл бұрын

I know this is an old comment at this point, but I must say I was also struck by the tax cut comment from Ferguson. The average citizen has no idea what taxes rich people are paying, and they only really care when the choice is a binary between "should I pay more?" and "should they pay more?" Of course, the answer is always that I should pay less, and whoever is doing better than me should pay more. The Trump tax cuts might have been more favorable to the rich, depending on how you slice them, but the average working American *still* saw significant tax savings. At the time of the tax cuts, I was making about 52k a year, and I saw a tax saving of over $200 a month. Not enough to change my way of living, but enough that I could go out every weekend without straining my budget, or enough that I could increase my 401k contribution by a few % points without feeling any loss, etc. Combined with the fact that the economy and jobs market were hot, I think the average Trump voter generally felt that the Trump policies were working for them, and if there was any problem it was that the government wasn't Trumpy enough. Trump didn't lose because Trump voters felt sold out. He lost because moderate voters felt he didn't take COVID seriously enough early on, and simply got tired of his personality. Without COVID happening, he probably would have skated to re-election.

Wait a second. Did niall just claim that the democratic party is awash in cash? That is literally 100% not the case they are severely in debt

@Buboes1

6 жыл бұрын

Bogdan Mendryshora I know! I actually got triggered hearing that haha

@bogdanmendryshora9337

6 жыл бұрын

Yes! she ran all of the party's major functions

@Matlockization

5 жыл бұрын

Why let facts & common sense ruin Sam & Niall conversation as they try to pull the wool over our eyes.

@paxdriver

5 жыл бұрын

Reported income comes with the caveat of only reported income being disclosed... In a power game of policy makers there's no debt to the authors in the end lol it just doesn't work like that. There's money, and more importantly there's access to things that cost money that they and not independents have in name and clout alone, never mind backroom favors. Politicians are holding the keys to the entire country's money supply - the reserve currency of the world lol its impossible for DNC or rnc to not be awash in money. That's where bags of money are thrown at the door just to sit down and talk.

@roidroid

4 жыл бұрын

@Radix Malorum >"Clinton far outraised Trump in the campaign." If you count the Russian State's actions _(Glavset / "Internet Research Agency")_ as a *freely given gift,* sure. I guess we could categorise those actions as PR and give a round-about cost estimate that way. But then you have to add in Russian State Intel oversight and strategising, costing such a thing is beyond me, we're now talking a National Security size budget.

Alarming number of bot-like comments on this video hating on Sam.

Great audio, terrible title. At what point was Sam taken aback?

Great talk -- so rare that they live up to their billing.

This guy is supremely reasonable and sensible

One major argument I'd like to make here, and Sam may very well have altered course on this subject in later videos, is that even if we accept that Russia was predominantly responsible for Trump's election, we've got socially regressive companies like Google running around harvesting votes for the Democratic party and *no* parallel major corporations harvesting Republican votes. When the Dems insist on playing dirty like that, they really can't whine when the Right goes out and votes for themselves under their own power and motivation, irrespective of any foreign advertising campaign that may have influence a minority of those voters to change their votes to Trump from whatever it may have been before the presumed campaign began. Additionally, I think it's important for the Trump-derranged among us to bear in mind that irrespective of what you *want* to be true, until there is verifiable evidence of wrongdoing on Trump's part or that of his administration in general, you cannot reasonably conclude that Trump or his administration are beneficiaries of Russian collusion. To conclude otherwise is to abdecate sound reasoning.

God, listening to Sam Harris on Trump is embarrassing.

@lessevdoolbretsim

6 жыл бұрын

It really is stunning how you can take a pretty solidly rational person like Sam, get him on the subject of Trump, and he becomes a babbling, paranoid lunatic.

@jarisundell8859

6 жыл бұрын

Trump is a master of persuasion, and a major part of that is to know how cognitive dissonance works. Sam Harris being the highly rational thinker he is the most vulnerable of all to that particular affliction. Worse than kryptonite.

@NoahBodze

6 жыл бұрын

I think you've misdiagnosed Harris as having paranoia.It's intellectualized snobbery; virtue signalling.

@ableasdale2000

6 жыл бұрын

Ben Berzai Lols, Trump short circuits the Left, and Sam is firmly in the Leftist "Liberal" Elite. Regularly retweeting NYT and WaPo, patently biased political mouthpieces for Democratic Party.

@CandidDate

6 жыл бұрын

Trump is prez. and the world hasn't ended. Get over it, Sam. No need to catastrophize.

On the contrary to what many commentors on this video mention, i do believe Harris seem incredibly humble in this conversation. This video just popped on in my feed so i dont know anything about the other person in this interview, but harris grants alot of points to him when Harris finds his own views inaccurate or insufficient to explain the situation. Overall a great conversation between two people of differing viewpoints, where one has to stand corrected.

@russellm2555

3 жыл бұрын

Harris believed the 'fine people' smear. He's as gullible as they come

How do they do they animate the sound effect?

Anyone accidently and wrongly scrolling down... just stop it. Stop reading and listen to the podcast. You have been warned.

@iankclark

6 жыл бұрын

lol thanks

@larymcfart4034

6 жыл бұрын

This has been one of the more intriguing parts of discussion I have heard in a while. Then I scrolled down... The level of disconnect between the discussion and what lies below is unbearable.

@andrewlatta3640

6 жыл бұрын

All i found was this bullshit comment

@wrybreadspread

6 жыл бұрын

meh...what fun is that? the venomous comments are a hoot.

@Earthad23

6 жыл бұрын

It’s too late !!

soooo, about the Steele dossier......

Nothing like reading a bunch of trump fan boys tell someone else they’re not being rational

Plz link to the juice. What time does he make the statement which gives Harris pause?

Niall is top tier

Listening to this, I can't help but think about what Edward Snowden had always said. That the focus should be on building security so all the stuff mentioned here is either stopped out right, or atleast heavily reduced so there isn't any real affect to fear. I'm also glad that there was some mention of the evidence that shows how bad Hillary would have been.

@lessevdoolbretsim

6 жыл бұрын

Hillary is a living nightmare. I swear she has the most empty, soulless expressions on her face I’ve ever seen on a breathing human. Look at any old or recent picture of her.

It's crazy listening to this right now. As correct as Niall Ferguson was on so many things the Black Swan of SARS-COV-2 mostly rendered his entire thesis moot even though it was basically spot on.

When was the pause?

How did this guy literally predict everything?!

@seblauu

3 жыл бұрын

@@wordwarrior2350 lol

Feel free to post any evidence admissible in court. And, for a man of logic you do seem to use the word 'feel' quite a bit.

@chuck1prillaman

6 жыл бұрын

Patience, my friend. Plenty of evidence has already been presented to Grand Juries and now convicted (confessed) criminals. Up next, Jared.

@iamgabrielf

6 жыл бұрын

Again, feel free to post the evidence.

@kellyowens1868

6 жыл бұрын

chuck1prillaman + BUT I thought the whole thing was supposed to be about the Trump campaign working hand in glove, with evil Russia and bad man Putin, to illicitly steal the election that Hillary should have won. That's been the nonsense, with a lot more BS piled on top, like crooked FBI, DNC colluding w/Russia for Dossier, Bogus Fisa warrants to spy on political opponents, Lying Adam Schiff and the other lying clown. Nunez Memo! You guys have much more to worry about than us. No indictments involve election related activities on our side! Who ever is justly convicted of whatever gets IT! All the potential Lying, Fraud, Obstruction, Foreign Collusion, Corrupted FBI/DOJ Gov. Issues are on YOUR SIDE ARE ALL ELECTION RELATED CRIMES I've said it,"If Trump can be proved to have colluded, Immediate Death!." Same for everyone your team found guilty of election related offences! Firing Squad!No excuse making later? HOW? No mechanism, or even a logical layout of the HOW. WHO? No identified suspects, Every one indicted so far HURTS the collusion story, because not one is a collusion, or conspiracy to collude, or any related charge, No? Most are previous to the campaign, One is related to Russia, Flynn, but only related to Ukrainian lobbying,+ long before Trump even announced. So no WHO yet, & much smaller pool to draw from, as these have all been eliminated..! Bannon? Trump never would have fired from him, if he had the goods, right? Carter Page = 007, haha haha sorry.every time. excuse me!. Very.thin on WHO. ..Maybe Ivanka sounds kinda lika Russian name?,right? Is that close enough.?.....Jesus So no HOW, no WHO at all yet, WHY? I already explaned.....oh! That WHY, the motive why, ok I'll Grant you Putin had some real motives, to have a hard-on for Hillary, BUT more the US in general, right? She said things personally, but as a cold dispassionate ex-KGB officer, he knows any Sec. of State, would have said the same exact things, nothing out of the ordinary, boiler plate stuff. Who is more responsible for break-up of Warsaw Pact,? Where he could have easily been killed,.while.working in E. Germany, when the wall came down, & all hell broke loose.A:The US, Reagan, and republicans.NO demos. Ruination of Soviet Union, who would he blame ?. The same for Warsaw Pact,? Republicans, &.US Hillary's big mouth and Democrat sanctions over Crimea, and Ukraine, and total opposition to him recently. What does he want? A: The US F*CKed up! ,How?BLM, Pro-Trump vs anti-Trump, anti-government, anti-US, standard propaganda, and boy did he get his money's worth, thanks to gullible putin-puppets like you. You're still helping everyday you believe this nonsense, and weaken the republic. Trumps motive = o. No why, no cry, ok ,good bye! KOut In total NO HOW NO WHO yettish !/2 of non-targeted WHY for Putin,! Altogether Here in the US not even a good try. Sorry In Russia, probably good enough for a death sentence, & execution.!

@Pyladin

6 жыл бұрын

They plead guilty. No need for any evidence to be presented.

@Pyladin

6 жыл бұрын

Kelly, no, it was never about that. I know that Fox and Friends likes to put out that narrative, but it was not about that at all. It was because someone did something criminal and now they are trying to find the guilty. They have found some and others may or may not be guilty. We don't know, before the courts have spoken. For the orange man baby, there is enough for congress to simply just throw him away. They don't really need any reason, they can just vote him out, however, that fact that he is not even trying to stop russia from attacking americans civilians property is a problem. I would believe that the president said he would, when he was sworn in, but I could be wrong. If I am wrong, you may want to find another person who is head of the military and if I'm right, clearly he went against his word and you should remove him as head of your military.

What an interesting discussion! But... ...can we just have a point of order regarding fairness? Guys, if you don't agree with the message in the video, don't just give it a thumbs down because you don't like what you hear. I'm just amazed how civil, transparently structured and entertaining the viewpoints of both debaters are.

Niall Ferguson seems to be talking about obvious facts that I have been unable to find any evidence of even 6 months later...

I have read and viewed for nearly two decades several of Sam Harris content and can say he is among the few who will not victimize truth.To me he is trustworthy and intelligent and knows the subjects of his discussions.

Wow, this was only a few months ago! I wonder what they say now? My dog Spot knew from the beginning the Trump/Russia angle was BS.

As far as Sam Harris' point about the Democrats not supporting the KuKluxKlan, I find it very disingenuous. A more likely scenario would be to consider a democrat being propped up by Saudi Arabia, or some other country that denies freedom (I have to mention CNN's North Korea comments). I can imagine, and they have, a democrat arguing that Islam is a religion of peace, for example, and they do that for free.

This has aged as well as vintage dog piss.

This conversation was so reasonable it got me giddy.

Picture Sam checking under the bed for Ruskies every night. Don't forget the wardrobe!

@Chronically_ChiII

6 жыл бұрын

What, so now people think that an authoritarian state like China and Russia wouldn't use intrusive technology to help their cause?

@elidrissii

6 жыл бұрын

+G. G. You're such a conspiracy theorist dude chill. Everything in politics is in the open.

@Chronically_ChiII

6 жыл бұрын

Some Dude Hah, my views are far from your average paranoid. But claiming conspiracies never happen is as dangerous as thinking that a global government is poisoning your water... ok not *as* dangerous, but far from reality. Fact: China, Russia and the US government spy on each other and their own population. Also fact: China and Russia heavily regulate what information is available to promote the power of their own authoritarian regime.

@HagiaSophia1952

6 жыл бұрын

The USA is just like Germany and the UK: their Governments can always see a threat from the right; but NEVER from the left.

@Chronically_ChiII

6 жыл бұрын

Mark Dyer Well I don't think that they can't see threat with the left. But due to pc-culture and minority dick sucking competition, the status quo is currently much more aligned with the left who are generally for more state power (and the majority of politicians want more power). Russia and China do not have to pander to these demographic due to homogeneousness. Yet they are more authoritarian making them overall shittier. All in all, both sides of identity politics are problematic.

For two people who pretend to be pretty smart they sure are duped by political propaganda easily.

@thevoxdeus

3 жыл бұрын

Such as?

@klolwut

3 жыл бұрын

thevoxdeus Russian hacking

You are forgetting they found classified e-mails on Anthony Weinner's computer. I am a conservative and this the first time I didn't vote. I could not vote for either candidate because they were both morally reprehensible. The last point I want to make conservatives don't protest .

Cos Israel has been great for American interests

If one believes that human nature is still a dominant force in one's political affiliations then one will surely come to the conclusion that one should not be surprised by every one voter who voted for Trump in the hope that one's inherent affiliation to one's family and one's community and one's country's future depends on a leader who will prioritize one's interests.

@alphabett66

6 жыл бұрын

Mr O pronouns inhibit the flow of a sentence; use them sparingly.

@seanjones4726

6 жыл бұрын

alphabett66 It may have been a parody of Niall

@glennos1974

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah, bad attempt I know :) Couple of scotches will do that!

@cqueenify

6 жыл бұрын

Nah. Keep drinking the good malts. That was well-played.

@alphabett66

6 жыл бұрын

Mr O Good thing sarcasm can't be broadcasted though text, so I don't look like a moron.

More accurate "The 34 min conversation where at some points Sam Harris paused and thought about what to say"

@stlchucko

3 жыл бұрын

The thing is that Harris often pauses before speaking, so there’s nothing of note in this conversation

Wonderful discussion, especially related to the catharsis represented by Trump's election towards the disenfranchised "everyman" and the possible outcome of a Clinton electoral victory. The distinction between Fascism and Populism, and the downfall of the populist demagogue being the failure of his promises in office was also a great point.

Sam putting feelings before Intelligence, very sad.

@BASEDinMaine

6 жыл бұрын

whats in the woods, he can't help his lizard brain's visceral triggering

@bicboi1930

6 жыл бұрын

accurate. praise kek

@rodneyabrett

6 жыл бұрын

His generally rational brain always tends to short circuit when talking about Trump.

@fpxy00

5 жыл бұрын

This is the problem with all those "extremely rational ppl." Aka. Realists. They can rationalise any stupid set of ideas there is. They just do it better, no matter how ridiculous they are. We are limbicly driven, not cortex driven beings.

Trump uses the BEST words! And he has a very very large brain. He is also really smart. If you disregard all the indictments of his staff, his history of horrible business practices, his asinine tweets, the offensive things he says, and his actions, he is actually not a bad guy.

I appreciate Ferguson's sobriety and caution, however what I fear he misses is rhetorical escalation and its consequences. I've been a more-or-less "disenfranchised" conservative since I was able to vote -- economically capitalist, militarily centrist, socially libertine, secular -- and I have watched the transition of the right wing since the 80s, and in many ways it's much scarier in terms of its fascist tendencies than it was 30+ years ago. Examples: Censorship used to be an empty threat, and now a Republican president openly attacks the First Amendment. Deficit spending was once anathema and a regrettable short-term economic stimulus, and now no one bats an eye at trillions added to the debt. Principles have been abandoned in favor of partisanship; look at how Republicans so easily allowed the hysterical nonsense of "Pizzagate" to spread, yet the right gave full support to a lecherous president who brags and jokes about sexual assault with nearly 20 formal accusations against him, and a senate candidate in Alabama whose predation on minors is still very well-known 30 years or so later. What the "right" was and what it has become are vastly different, and it's getting worse. If their commitment to partisan victory continues to be stronger than their loyalty to American ideals, we will see the warnings about Trump made manifest -- a fear that could as easily be realized by the left, or the right.

I'm starting a séance to get the ghost of Hitchens in on this dumpster fire. We need some logic to mix things up with these compromised observers. Poor Harris hasn't been enjoyable since soaking in the special moments Hitchens aroused with talented fact flurries. He needs to pull a Weekend at Bernie's with a Hitch corpse sleeve pronto.

Sad to see 2 “intellectuals” combined wisdom equal the average 14 yr old. I used to love Harris, but Trump triggered about a third of Harris’s brain to shut down.

@silvafox07

6 жыл бұрын

Delraich444 lol quit being a bitch

@KeithAGass

6 жыл бұрын

Delraich444 He's not triggered. Not everyone that dislikes obnoxious conmen are "triggered snowflakes". Donald Trumps vocabulary is roughly that of a fourth grader according to expert analyses. We're not being hysterical when we demand that our president be able to read well. You think you're cool but its actually sad to see you fools vote against your own interests.

@M1984FA

6 жыл бұрын

Only a third? Sam Harris has been an epic disappointment since he aquired TDS

@Bastardozer

6 жыл бұрын

he has a larger following than ever, and "pc" liberals hate him too, so i'd day he's done remarkably well for himself and is the exact opposite of an "epic disappointment"

@fredrickmiller6534

6 жыл бұрын

He speaks with the vocabulary of the average 4th grader, is what I heard. Not exactly a terrible thing that he conveys simple and clear messages even a child can understand, is it? I'm sure the published multi billionaire ivy league graduate can read quite well and has an above average IQ. Sam Harris's TDS is proof that intelligence and wisdom are completely separate from each other. He sounds blindly passionate and hyperbolic when he speaks on the subject, which is exactly the opposite reason I was initially attracted to his thinking.

Rewatching some sam Harris and his more recent videos on politics....Ima keep it positive and less snarky by ending this sentence with a period.

Something UGLY was brewing in middle America?! How about “something UGLY has been brewing in Washington’s DC” -

Niall called out Harris on his Russia analogy. Well done.

It’s funny at 1:10 when Sam is comparing with the KKK... And his memory seems to work around Robert Byrd...

@jrdn31195

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's almost like the surrounding context would suggest he's talking about modern day, highly progressive democrats.

Niall Ferguson's every word drips with self-importance.

@johnnyboy1586

3 жыл бұрын

Do you think so?I thought he spoke as a level headed kind of chaap🧐or maybe it's just the accent comes across that sort of way😉

@RhetoricalMuse

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnnyboy1586 I agree. it might be an English thing.

@aaronclarke7732

3 жыл бұрын

@@RhetoricalMuse I’m English, he’s sounds pompous to me, too. Whether he is or not, that’s how he sounds on both sides of the Atlantic.

We had a Real Populist in 1930's with Huey P. Long, Governor and Senitor of Lousisanna who Actually did Great THings for Louisianna, Built Paved Roads, Ended Racist Poll Tax, so Negroes could vote, Made School Texts Books FREE to lacks and Whites, so in 1930 Huey Long segregated Louisianna. He Fought Standard Oil and Bell Telephone, saying They had Robbed Louisianna of their Natural Resources and Sucked out our Welth Out. As Senioter He Was Running for President Against Roosebely and FBI murdered him.

Because we're supposed to care what a heavily prejudiced Sam Harris thinks about Trump.

In 2019 this sounds even more stupid than it did at the time.

Sam forgot about the Clintons and the KKK grand cyclops dragon Robert Bird.

@TheRamiel001

6 жыл бұрын

Robert Byrd? You mean this guy? www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/106189-naacp-mourns-byrds-death%3famp Seriously... are you not aware of this or simply ignoring it? Do you think it was all a ploy? Like, how do you rationalize your position?

@WeeedyMcMeth

6 жыл бұрын

Juliano Ciaramello are you ignoring the fact that the kkk was created by the Democrats to maintain the social cast system that existed under slavery. These racist did not all of a sudden have a change of heart. They realized that the democratic party’s positions on race was becoming untenable. So they changed the messaging. Instead of keeping blacks poor and powerless with segregation they are doing it now with welfare and food stamps and shit public schools. The difference is that now when they oppress us, they say they are helping.

@TheRamiel001

6 жыл бұрын

WeeedyMcMeth Ah. A black libertarian. That's new. Yes, I'm aware of the insane line of reasoning you're referring to. I also hold that it's insane and haven't the time or care to point out all the ways it is. Basically, what's more likely? That an organization with people coming in and leaving over time, and some of the individuals there in, changed? Or, your massive conspiracy of enslavement through public assistance?

Seldom is Sam Harris at a loss for words. Ferguson is an interesting thinker.

Recent events suggest Niall Ferguson is lying when he says he treads the middle ground.

Trumps problem is he's not nearly half as bent as the carreer politicians we're used to. He's just a mere mortal who has found himself in a pit of hissing snakes.

@Maytag99

6 жыл бұрын

That's not true, he's just as "bent" as the worst of them. His problem is his poor leadership, and his tendency to backstab even those who would be his friends.

@econogate

6 жыл бұрын

Sure, being bent you mean taxing the wealth of the richest Americans at 14% in the 1980s to pay off the then 5 trillion debt, thus saving interest payments and future debt for future generations while also giving out middle class tax cuts. Cause he said that in the 1980s, naturally the leeches in the swamp will cry bloody murder over that. But who's to say he doesn't pull it off? He cuts taxes, brings back overseas wealth, undercuts our competitors in other nations, increases growth and wealth and then sets about to create a wealth tax bringing the debt down to nothing by the end of his second term? If that is bent sign me up for it. On the road to success lots of bumps and roadblocks are along the way, his idea of increasing wealth and then taxing it makes more sense than anything else proposed by anyone else, the rich have been begging to pay taxes all these years, he's not opposed to taxes, just opposed to driving companies and money out of the USA, in order to pay it off you have to have it, and also you have to do it in a reasonable manner. None of the people that have been president have given a shit til Trump, they could care less about running up debt and making the budget not work. Career politicians were and always have been the problem standing in the way, they have to have problems to seem in control. Hence the Mueller BS circus parade. Clinton Foundation is the essence of swamp fraud. here Sam Harris rants about Russia and the KKK and Putin. Democrats literally tried to overthrow Ukraine, as far as Russia they need to BTFO. The left was captured by Soros and the EU UN system which depends on indebting states and making demands upon them and the public and the poor via taxes and socialistic nanny state controls. Wide open borders which equals creating divisions within states, thus creating wars. Trump has a great deal of work to do to undo this nonsense. I don't remember people thinking about crazy leftists shooting up a school or some islamic guy blowing something up. This is the mistake of multi cult diversity.

@9avedon

6 жыл бұрын

Trump is a great leader and warrior. He is a master at infuriating the Criminal establishment by letting them expose themselves.

@patrickdonnelly4792

6 жыл бұрын

Russian account

@tjclarke238

6 жыл бұрын

Willfull Ignorance is no defense! Are you presently located within the geographical territory of Russia?

11:15 It's _amazing_ that Sam chose that particular analogy. It's _almost like he doesn't realize the Democratic party _*_has_*_ a past of dealing with and supporting the Klan!_ That's hilarious.

@ChristianTheChicken

3 жыл бұрын

How long ago was that?

@JoeSmith-fw8ix

3 жыл бұрын

@@ChristianTheChicken The KKK? About 100 years ago, give or take. The modern versions? Yesterday.

@seanwhitehall4652

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, both parties do. But in recent times I think KKK support is biased R

@JoeSmith-fw8ix

3 жыл бұрын

@@seanwhitehall4652 False, though you might in fact think that. You're just wrong.

@seanwhitehall4652

3 жыл бұрын

@@JoeSmith-fw8ix So the KKK leader endorsed Biden now? Must have missed that.

Niall Ferguson sounds like Pinhead from Hellraiser.

@SDMF20

3 жыл бұрын

It must be while since you've seen Hellraiser because i don't hear it at all, like not even close.

@jwdahlen

3 жыл бұрын

@@SDMF20 It's more in the cadence/dialect than the pitch.

What is this guy even talking about with this line about no one being in the "middle" on this issue? He sounds like a British person, so I guess he doesn't even live in the United States? Why would you care much about who is president of a country you don't live in? It's easy to be neutral (or even pander to the other side; a la Sargon) when there's nothing at stake for you. The truth of the matter is that most people are somewhere in the "middle" on most issues. That's the nature of a spectrum.

"No one despises Trump more than me..." - Sam Harris I do, Sam... I do!

The tragedy of confirmation bias: The higher your intelligence, the more esoteric reasons you can invent to proof that you are right. Poor Sam (>.

Trump? Sam Harris? Okay got my attention.

Should get Stefan Molunex and Sam Harris to debate Trump vs Hillary.

it's this kind of thing that keeps me from embracing sam - he's got the tds

@jaewok5G

6 жыл бұрын

i may be a bit more generous than that, but on some topics, yeah

6 жыл бұрын

Shawn - yeah, it must be a weird fluke or strange outlier that Harris is right about everything but Trump. Go figure, huh?

@RonponVideos

6 жыл бұрын

Shawn Gunnison Shawn Gunnison You realize that a significant portion of your argument is that "He didn't fuck everything up yet"? Do you really not take that as a sign? I don't have time to get into why most of what he takes credit for is actually just residual benefits from previous years of government, but your so-called "defense" of him was hella weak. You can make all the strawmen you want, just because the US still stands, it doesn't mean trump is doing a good job

@johnschwartz1641

6 жыл бұрын

Shawn Gunnison Almost nobody outside of Fox News is talking about "collusion." Mostly people are interested in his crooked finances, and his obstruction of justice, and there is a whole lot of evidence for both of those. Why do you give credit to Trump for the economy? The stock market boomed under Obama, did you give him credit for that? Do you think the President controls the economy?

@johnschwartz1641

6 жыл бұрын

Shawn Gunnison Why is he hiding his tax returns? What's he hiding? No one should be trusted with political power unless they're totally transparent with their finances. Trump wouldn't qualify for a security clearance, he shouldn't have even been on the ballot.

Trump was impeached, is still in office, and even more likely to be re-elected! 🤣🤣🤣

This is why Sam is one of the most rational people on the planet. He actually will listen, and might even change his mind.

It's amazing how often people will say "Sam is usually very logical about everything _buuut_ on this particular point, which I happen to disagree with him on, he's way off"..... rarely do people say "I see his point but this is why I disagree". It's almost always "he's right when I agree with him, which is nearly every point, but this is me being right and him being irrational". It's not just on Trump...it's religion, free will, Israel... everything. Interests me.

@insidetrip101

6 жыл бұрын

That's not really my experience. I'm a relatively poor dude, but I do know some relatively well off "upper middle class" people through work in one way or another. What I've seen of those people, the ones who were live long republicans, still (mostly) voted for Trump (albeit reluctantly). The truth is that when you get off the internet, and talk to real people, there are millions of people who voted for Trump with extreme disgust or, like me, like Trump but acknowledge his flaws. Trust me, I totally understand why Harris doesn't like Trump. I really don't like how simple he is. I actually can't listen to the man speak without bursting out into laughter; HOWEVER, I still like him. And that's because I think Trump really opened up the public dialogue. Everyone is around talking shit about how there's so much division, but the truth is that division has been around at least since I was a child (I'm 29). The truth is that we corked the public dialogue somewhere between two and five decades ago (I suspect sometime during the world wars or cold war America embraced a unified propaganda machine) and Trump shook up that bottle and shot off the cork. Of course there's going to be a mess. Our society is doing something that it hasn't seriously done since sometime during/after the world wars: we're actually being real Americans again. Something most of are too young to have ever experienced.

@evilpandakillabzonattkoccu4879

6 жыл бұрын

insidetrip101 My point wasnt about people disagreeing with Trump or voting for him or not....instead, it is about how people view Sam Harris' thinking as 'logical' when they agree with him but 'illogical' when they disagree. there is hardly any time when people go 'I disagree with Sam Harris on this point....so, maybe im missing something or maybe im not fully understanding his point, since his arguments are usually very well thought out and are usually very logical." Instead, I see people going 'I generally like Harris but....he goes completely illogical on this on particular point'. That is what i find interesting. as for life long republicans voting for trump, i think that has a lot to do with tribalism....in fact, i think it has more to do with tribalism that it does with anything else. in the political arena (in the US anyway), you find this a lot. there are certain groups you have to be a part of to even be involved politically and if you arent in one of those select groups, youre chances of being elected are slim to none. this includes approved political parties (if you are, lets say, a libertarian or part of the green party, you have very little chance of being elected....if your party has less political clout than that, getting elected is damn near impossible) to religious groups (in the US, you just have to be associated with one of them...atheists arent openly accepted in the political arena). often times, voting for somebody who is undesirable but still part of one of these groups...is still better (to most people) than voting for somebody who isnt part of these groups. when it comes down to the actual election, the viable candidates are generally reduced to just two parties (and if you want to be elected, it serves you to pick a party and tow their line for a bit so you can earn the support of their base). once the base make a choice for which candidate is going to be their's....they expect the members of their party to support that candidate over all others or, at the very least, on the basis that 'a poor candidate for our side is better than a qualified candidate that is working for the opposition'. I mean, in some states (like my own), we knew who the republican nominee would be before our states republican convention was even held...thus, republicans from my state were told 'here is our guy...no go vote for him or the opposition will win and its your fault'. he was the 'Presumptive nominee' by may 3rd....Cruz and Kasich already withdrew from the race at that point....meanwhile, my state's republican convention, where they voted for their nominee, wasnt until mid-may and 2 of the 4 nominees were already off the ballot, hence, no real choice if they wanted to still vote republican. that, to me, isnt very shocking and im actually kinda shocked that others didnt see the Trump presidency coming....i cant claim that i thought he would be president prior to primaries but after that point, it should have been easy to see coming.

It's been hilarious to see Sam Harris's fanboys slowly begin to realize that, just because he agrees with them on one issue (say, Islam), it doesn't necessarily mean he'll agree with them on another (say, Trump). Thing is, Harris actually looks at politics on a policy-by-policy basis; he looks at the issues. That's why he's not a pro-Trump ideologue, unlike the edgy keyboard warriors in this comments section.

@insidetrip101

6 жыл бұрын

Harris does look at politics on a policy-by-policy basis, but that's an enormous mistake. Harris actually thinks its insane that your ideas about taxes should have any influence on what you think about gun control; but the reality is that these things influence each other because politics is simply human beings interacting with each other. That means you necessarily ally yourself with people that are going to support the issues that are most important to you--even if that means that you have to ally yourself with someone that you disagree with on an issue that you find it less important. It totally makes sense why these things would be predictors, and its because of the cultural and historical political alliances that have been formed. Throw in a bit of cognitive disonance and rationalization and then it explains how people convince themselves of things they wouldn't believe in if they weren't in a group. But that's exactly the point: POLITICS IS ABOUT GROUPS OF PEOPLE INTERACTING WITH ONE ANOTHER!!!! Sam Harris looks at politics on a "policy by policy" basis because he ultimately doesn't understand politics. Don't get me wrong. I love listening to Sam Harris talk about his opinions on policy. Sometimes I agree with him, sometimes I don't. But when he talks about politics in general it sounds to me like he has almost no idea what actual human interaction is like. Its almost like the guy doesn't understand negotiation in the slightest.

@geniusofmozart

6 жыл бұрын

insidetrip101 No, politics should be about producing good public policy. Politicians in political parties do of course have to publicly support policies with which they disagree. The same is not true of citizens: we should express our true policy preferences, based on an objective analysis of which policies are likely to maximise the welfare of the population, to encourage political parties to adopt these nuanced and evidence-based policy platforms. One can hardly complain about the sorry state of American politics and American governance and of the extreme levels of partisanship that we see today, if one doesn’t do anything about it. That means more compromise and more nuance, and it requires looking at the issues as opposed to being an ideological partisan.

@insidetrip101

6 жыл бұрын

Yea, I just fundamentally radically disagree. I'm not nearly as far left as Alinsky was, but he absolutely got it right about advocating for political change. Its not just the politicians who have to advocate policy, but also the people who organize. Politics isn't about "good" or "bad." Its not really about policy at all. I think you're conflating "Politics" with "Law." They aren't the same thing. Politics is about how human beings behave with one another. Can you be an "independent" and behave in the way you're suggesting? Absolutely. But you can't be a republican, it doesn't matter if you're running for office or not. That's the whole point about organizing under a political party: to get the politicans in that party elected, and then by proxy to carry out the agenda of the party. Yes, there is always going to be some "wiggle room" to go against what your party says, but once you ascribe yourself a political party you don't have the option to think we should disarm the public and at the same time reform the tax code under the republican party. Those things come together because people of different interests organized together. A good analogy for this is becoming a muslim, claiming Mohammad was the last of God's prophets and at the same time saying "Jesus is Lord" and there is no way but him. Its not that those things are necessarily anti-thetical to each other, but they are once you accept the label of "Muslim." And very much like religion, we come up with political labels/parties to signify and advocate for agendas. People have more power when they advocate groups. This isn't a point that you should just ignore because you don't understand stupid people. You're obviously intelligent enough to understand stupid people if you just give it a shot, and you're really ignoring them at our own peril (as well as Harris is). Also, I absolutely disagree that the current state of American governance is bad. I think for decades we haven't really had any partisian politics. I don't think we really had anything but fake controversy and a vapid public dialogue. I think things are being said right now that have been pent up for decades. Its ugly because they've been festering underground for so long, but its better that our words become ugly than our actions. I seriously mean this, we can thank Trump for making politics MORE partisian. We're Americans, we've always lived a competitive adversarial "zeitgiest" and being the world leader for so long has taken its toll on our "collective spirit." I really think that its a good thing that we've opened up this "partisianry." However, if this is still going on/getting worse in 2024, then I'll eat my words, but I really think its important that we Americans have a battle or competition to win in. Remember, a lot of us Americans are decedents of criminals and we're really highly spirited (at least deep down). We're not at all like our sluggish European counterparts who don't operate well in a two party adversarial system.

@trushbetold

5 жыл бұрын

@@geniusofmozart This is an older comment/video I know, but I wanted to reply anyways :D You say "Thing is, Harris actually looks at politics on a policy-by-policy basis; he looks at the issues. That's why he's not a pro-Trump ideologue, unlike the edgy keyboard warriors in this comments section. ". This statement assumes that everyone who looks at politics on a policy-by-policy basis would not be pro-trump, and disregards any possibility that people do look at politics on a policy-by-policy basis and that is precisely why they are pro-trump. Perhaps they like trumps policy and that is why they support him. Personally, I'm far from rich and in the bottom 40% of income earners yet I still support his tax cuts for the wealthy. This is because I believe everyone should be treated equally under the law, and that means equal tax rates or a flat tax whatever you want to call it. The rich are still taxed far more than the poor but it's a step in the right direction.

@geniusofmozart

5 жыл бұрын

ItsColour Thank you for your reply. I agree that I ought to have phrased it differently.

Dear Sam, Two things: Firstly, as a very public member of the Intellectual Dark Web, I really think you should be re-examining your capacity for Intellectual rigour when you have to have the concept of counter-factuals explained to you as if by a professor to a reasonably intelligent child, and you even seemed a little surprised by the idea. Secondly, the counter-factual of the Trump-Russia narrative that Ferguson's too polite to tell you is that the other side have a narrative that is at least as compelling and plausible, if not more so. You are, in truth, more of a Bill Maher than a Jordan Peterson. A reasonably clever liberal ideologue who would practice exclusion of contrary viewpoints in a world where other people on your side weren't doing the same to you.

@DWHalse

6 жыл бұрын

Maybe "Lost is Sweden" like really lost? Wonderful take on Harris' countenance and lack of adroit reply's. I look forward each and every week to see what Trump will say, that completely leaves some in despair, and the next week something good has been accomplished in spite of him. His ways are certainly not politician like..more like he thinks, this is a good idea, does it and a completely major outcome nobody thought possible has happened. How are things in Sweden? I have read...This income tax, 55% of the Gross National Product, the highest income tax in the world, is also coupled with sales taxes, property taxes, and other excise taxes and tariffs. The Swedish sales tax, a "value added tax", ranges to 22.5% of items sold, on various goods including most foods. The total ownership of public goods by the Swedish government is roughly 64%, closing in on 70%, once you include all these other forms of taxation. That is not including government-owned means of production, which control about a full quarter of Swedish productivity. and... Whether the massive welfare state of Sweden with it's cradle-to-grave public aid, ultra-high taxation, and dishonest economic policies is considered a success is something we'll leave entirely up to the reader.

@lostinsweden5039

6 жыл бұрын

Sweden certainly has its problems. Taxes have gone up to pay for the ruinously high immigration numbers the Social Democrat Green coalition has brought in, crime is up, housing is short, people are angry. But regarding taxation, I'm British and it isn't massively different there than here. The difference is that the Swedish Government is up front about ripping you off, whereas the Brits have a whole range of covert ways of taxing you. The Bernie Sanders thing about Sweden is utter bullshit. I wish some of these American socialist dickheads would take the time to study what the fabled Swedish Model actually was. Post Great Depression, the unions and privately owned businesses sat down together and beat out a deal whereby the former wouldn't strike all the time and the latter would pay them properly, give good pensions etc. The government had nothing to do with it, except to rake in taxes from a productive middle class workforce and booming industries. Socialism had nothing to do it. In the 70s the socialists got greedy and started to overtax both business and individually, but by then Swedish business was so successful that it could ride the extra taxes. Since the 90s, and especially since 2015, the imbalance of non-skilled, non-productive, often criminal, often non-Swedish speaking immigration has meant that the squeeze to pay for an ever growing safety net from a demographically diminishing tax base has become chronic. Watch the election later this summer. The last poll I saw has the Social Democrats on their lowest share ever, at 24%, the Centre Right Moderates at 22% and the reviled Sweden Democrat populist nationalist party at 20%. ...The Olive states of southern Europe are one thing, but when Sweden swings to the Nationalist Right, the EU will be in real trouble.

@DWHalse

6 жыл бұрын

LostinSweden Thanks for the reply. Maybe a gofundme outreach would find sympathetic capitalists to send you help. I hope the populist movement will continue to expand but doubt the people on the cradle to grave dole want to change the steal other folks money system. Wish you the best!

@lostinsweden5039

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks, mate. You too.

@synewparadigm

6 жыл бұрын

Do you see people speaking Arabic everywhere on the public places as in Montreal?

I fail to see which argument gave Sam Harris pause. Am I missing something or is this just click bait?

@seanwhitehall4652

3 жыл бұрын

Wondering the same thing

Niall Ferguson sounds like a very level headed and intelligent guy. He certainly comes off as more rational than Sam in this clip.