The Apache were on the eastern edge of the great plains when the conquistadors came through. They were buffalo hunters and their mortal enemy was the Comanche. The Apache and Comanche were pretty evenly matched in those days. Since they were always fighting each other, they pretty much left everyone else alone. Then 20 years or so after the conquistadors, the Comanche started attacking the Apache on horseback. Somehow they had gotten horses from the Spanish and learned to ride. This tipped the scales and the Comanche were able to drive the Apache off the plains and into the mountains of New Mexico. By the time the Apache were in the mountains, they had horses too. They learned to ride and spread out to the west and southwest. In that westward expansion, they learned raiding on horseback was more profitable than hunting. I believe this is a more accurate history than Barney Barnard's "Apaches are made up of all the rejects from all the other tribes" theory.

@ApacheKidd

3 жыл бұрын

As an Apache I’ve been looking into our lost history, teachings, and customs.. I’ve come across this awhile back too. Our creation story is different than what the historians write about. So from what I gathered, all the nations crossed the bearing straight and before we were Apaches, we were Athbascan’s. Don’t know the timeframe but some traveled down south where I’m confused a bit. From our own oral history, for us Apaches in Arizona we split off from the Navajo and again went down south. With us small bands/clans/groups making up the Western Apaches of Arizona. Where the Comanche Nation was, is where the Lipan Apache, Mescalero Apache, Chiricahua Apaches, and I believe the Jicarilla Apaches. So from what I believe is that when we came down from up north, the first stop was the four corners area which is now Navajo land. Then we must’ve split into two groups, one going south and the other going further east then breaking off going south as well into both New Mexico and Texas. This is just my own personal thinking but this is what I believe makes sense to me with both my own traditional history and the history that is taught in schools. Because if the Comanche fought the whole Apache Nation (All known Apache groups) then I believe even with their advantage of horses it would’ve ended in a stalemate or they wouldn’t have gotten as much land as history shows. I know somewhere in history relations between the Western Apaches and the Chiricahua was not too good before the Apache Wars.. Chiricahua Apaches called us the “Wild People” because in their eyes we were not as civilized as them at the time.

@LuckyBaldwin777

3 жыл бұрын

@@ApacheKidd Thanks man, that's very interesting. The Western Apache History is separate from the Eastern. I didn't know that. I first became interested in the question "Where did the Apaches come from?" When I read in H.H. Bancroft's History of Arizona about the Apaches all of a sudden appearing in s. Arizona on horseback and almost wiping out the entire Sobaipuri tribe. All I know is from old books, mostly printed in the late 19th century, It's been so long now I don't recall where I read the account I posted. I found this map interesting. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiricahua#/media/File:Apachean_ca.18-century.png Notice the blank area in the middle. Those are the Pueblo tribes. Their mesas are the perfect defensive positions.

@ApacheKidd

3 жыл бұрын

@@LuckyBaldwin777 That’s nice to hear! Glad to see someone interested in Tribal History. Yeah sadly not many people know this or they bunch us all under the name “Apache”. Hmm sounds like an interesting book, I’ll check it out. There’s a few books I’ve been looking into by Grenville Goodwin. The particular one to learn about Western Apaches is “The Social Organization of the Western Apache”. Not too sure the pricing now but I got it for about $70 then the price jumped to $130 a few months back. For me the price wasn’t much since I was getting some old knowledge. open.uapress.arizona.edu/read/the-social-organization-of-the-western-apache/section/d87bb285-be4e-47bc-9696-327e414cd154 This is a link to the online pdf file of the book if you want to check it out! After reading it, I decided to get myself a physical copy as well! I know the Pueblo villages were nicely protected on the mesas they settled upon. On my father’s side, my late grandfather was Hopi. I got to learn some basics of their culture and found out that they chose mesas to easily defend against other tribes like the Navajos or for the Zuni tribes in New Mexico, the Apaches. Your welcome, I am Pinal Apache enrolled in the San Carlos Apache reservation from the Ha’K’Aye clan. My clans are Ha’K’Aye, Dis’Cheen, Be’iłtsohn, and Qalwungwa from the Hopi Tribe. I honestly didn’t realize that our history is proven through clan as well. My father and his mother were Dis’Cheen (Red painted people) the old spelling was t’átcì-dn. There are members who share that same clan in San Carlos, Cibeque/White Mountains, and leading back to the 4 corners area of the Navajo Nation. So really the other members depending on the relation would be family or really distant relatives!

@LuckyBaldwin777

3 жыл бұрын

@@ApacheKidd Thanks for the link. Yeah I'll definitely check it out. HH Bancroft came to San Francisco during the gold rush and made his fortune in publishing. He was an avid book collector who was obsessed with preserving the old west history. Here's a description of his collection. "Bancroft's library consisted of books, maps, and printed and manuscript documents, including a large number of narratives dictated to Bancroft or his assistants by pioneers, settlers, and statesmen. The indexing of the vast collection employed six persons for ten years. The library was moved in 1881 to a fireproof building and, in 1900, numbered about 45,000 volumes." He turned his publishing business over to his brother and started to research and write the definitive history of Western North America. He developed a plan to publish a history in 39 volumes of the entire Pacific coast region of North America, from Central America to Alaska. He employed writers and wrote some of the material himself, though he credited only himself as an author. In 1886, the publishing establishment of A. L. Bancroft & Company burned, and the sheets of seven volumes of the history he had written were destroyed. The one I was talking about is called "The History of Arizona and New Mexico 1530 - 1888, volume xvii." Here's a link to the free google ebook that you can download as a pdf. books.google.com/books/about/History_of_Arizona_and_New_Mexico.html?id=ss8NAAAAIAAJ

@ApacheKidd

3 жыл бұрын

@@LuckyBaldwin777 Your welcome! Interesting I’m going to look into him and his books... Thanks for the info and guess I’ll check out the pdf tonight!

HELP.....I can't stop re-watching ALL of your guys videos over and over and over again, the content is just too good, i can't get enough of this stuff, and i'm not blowin smoke, you guys are the best !!!!!

@mysteriesofthesuperstition6793

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoy it!

I'm so pleased to have found your channel. As a child I lived in Case Grande for a number of years. In the early 60's, when I was 12, we lived outside Apache Junction. We ran wild in the desert ,close to the Superstition Mouintains. It made for a great childhood.

I just found this channel, what a blessing, I feel like I'm with my grandfather john & his best friend delmar!! I was the weird child that loved to sit around with them and listen to all of their stories, instead of going outside to play!! I'm just so grateful that l found you guy's!!! Thank you for sharing your stories!!! ☺️ New subscriber!!!!! 💕 🕊️💕

Excellent as usual!!! Thank you..

Thank you Larry to the incite of the native Indians and their history of Arizona. Very impressive.

Organizing a nine-year collection for display must have been frustratingly time-consuming, but so very rewarding. Thanks!

Apache is the most feared native American tribe I dont care what anyone says! Apaches were the last tribe to surrender during the Native American wars led by Geronimo.

One the best most informative episode I’ve ever seen. Truly great work and such important history to know.

An illuminating lecture that clears up so many misunderstandings that surround the regions colourful history.

Rick Messina, the cattle industry in Arizona only flourished after the Silver King Mine was discovered in 1875. The first cattle were driven here from Texas to feed the miners. After 1875 cowboys began to appear and cattle ranches began to operate. All the discussion we had about “the Indian wars” were BEFORE 1875, there were no good or bad cowboys during that time.

great insight, thanks for sharing

Very interesting. Keep it up the good work from 🇬🇧

Good show guys ! You certainly have given me a new perspective. Thanks very much and, God Bless

I love this channel! Thanks 4 doing this! I finally got my 1st house & can see the Superstition Mountains in the far distance from my bedroom window 😁

great interview! love these impressive stories. Inspire me a lot! Greatings from 1000's of miles over the ocean: The Netherlands

Another fantastic video! Thank y’all for taking time and the trouble for these videos

thanks for the History lesson larry. clearing up one of the mysteries of the superstitions, for sure, & thanks hank for keeping it alive.

Great story

Very informative, thank you!

@mysteriesofthesuperstition6793

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

WOW, WHAT A GREAT LESSON IN HISTORY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR RESEARCH AND TEACHINGS. YES HISTORY BOOKS MUST BE REWRITTEN. TRUTH IS SO MUCH BETTER. GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR'S AND ALL. ❤💛❤

@mysteriesofthesuperstition6793

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

Mercy Larry and Hank, another excellent video on the awesome history of Superstition Mountains, very interesting; but all the videos which have been made are very interesting. I know Charlie is looking down from the golden trails in Heaven and saying, "Very good job my friends, very good!" Thanks a whole bunch for keeping up the outstanding history job with the area! Sending many positive thoughts and prayers to all of you! God Bless and looking forward to the next video!

Another great episode!

@jeramiewalton9237

3 жыл бұрын

These videos are great.

Got to visit that Museum

@markmcdowell4953

3 жыл бұрын

Went there last December. Well worth the time. Also it's in a beautiful setting, at the foot of the supes.

Great Story Thank you!!

A historical novel needs to be written to reconstruct an accurate prehistory of America before contact with Europeans. If this is not done America will never know or find itself.

Hello Hank and Larry !! So there is a new look to history than the way we were origionally taught...You learn something new everyday, Thank you Gentlemen, Michelle from Canada l have a question for you, who were the lndians where Eastern Canada above Vermont, maine, Conneticutt called? The Ojibway? Where l live is where the first white man met the first lndian, in Fort Coulonge, Quebec, Canada and the First Fur Trading Post named Hudson's Bay was opened.

this isthank you! my new favorite youtube channel!

Love you guys & the history you tell.

fascinating....

Enjoyed this. Great channel

Loved this thnk you

Good history lesson Apache took woman as brides so these women are mixed with all tribes including Mexican women

Wow, i greatly enjoyed this history i live in utah and didnt know this its so great to know the hiatory of the battalion you are both great historians thank you

My paternal Grand Father was black and Apache. He was by all accounts, "A Hell of a man!" He passed away when I was pretty young (about 6) but I learned a LOT of things about hunting, fishing, animals, and respecting the land. I wish I could have learned more! A true warrior, even against the KKK!

@stevielund3687

2 жыл бұрын

Apaches had slaves too. Maybe learn history other black people owned slaves not just white people. Black African sold their people off to slave trade.

I am half Comanche and half Fort Sill Apache. I remember my grandfather, Fort Sill Apache, telling me about his and his future wife put on those prison trains, in 1896. Young kids shackled to older men. They lived like coyotes, in borrows. Inside the Fort. Then all the children, ages from 5 years old to 15 years old. An shipped to different parts of the country. Forced assimilation of Native Americans. President Andrew Jackson. Under the the Monroe Doctrine. Relocation for the better of Natve Americans.

I'm putting this site in my You Never Know What You'll Find File.

The people referred to as Tohono O'odom have a very interesting culture & history. And they have a community presence on YT, which is really cool ☆(& probably other social media platforms as well)

Ok cowboys time to knock the feedbag down a notch...... good visit appreciate it.

My great great grandfather was a mr. shumway I'm 5gen arizona at least

Helge Ingstad wrote about in his books, Trapperlife and the Apaches. Lomg time ago they were part ofmthe Reindeereater tribe up in Canada,,the soon to be named apaches moved south..And south again due to being attacked and not being settled tådue to unrest..Then they came south. Ingstad heard both similar folktales, myths, histories,,linguistic and other things both ways to make the connection for his way .

@sage1682

Жыл бұрын

We came from Canada in the 13ty century and had been drawn back from head to head contact with the Comanches, settled in Arizona and New Mexico where we raided Mexican corrals until we mastered horseback over a couple hundred years. Coordinating attacks that spanned hundreds of miles at the same time, riding horses unlike others making us elusive. Where one would ride a horse 75 miles and then resting, feeding, watering their horses; we would ride a horse 150 miles until the horse burnt out, then we would eat the horse and continue on with another

Thank you ! i love theses stories True History . love AZ. lived there 11 years

@richardbowers3647

3 жыл бұрын

So where did the Mysteries of ... get their art work cover for this video??? Appears to be of the Hollywood variety!!! Just noticed.

@johnhoffay9081

3 жыл бұрын

@@richardbowers3647 you must live under a rock !

I think my head is gona explode

It's a very well done episode. I am Apache and I can tell you that there needs to be a little bit more focus on our language which is Athabaskan. If you trace are language you will get the relation to everyone in the surrounding areas from ancient times

@Mudvillereacts

3 жыл бұрын

I’m Apache as well, my family oriented from Colorado

The Apache and Navajo we're the same tribe when they arrived here from Canada and split the tribe to make the two different tribes.

@bullluttttt

3 жыл бұрын

when ?

@MESOHAWNYFAWYOU

3 жыл бұрын

Apache and Navajo were one tribe in Canada? The Dene'? Is this conjecture or fact?

@thurmondthomas5243

3 жыл бұрын

Some of them went to Washington and Oregon from Canada too

@tangohunter5788

3 жыл бұрын

One part became Dine and the other became Nde, Nde simply means " The People " They did not originally call themselves Apache's! It is believed that a rival tribe referred to them as Apachu which in their language simply means enemy.

@kayhunter5963

3 жыл бұрын

the apache and Navajo share the same language but different religions apaches are monotheistic and the Navajo practice polytheism and they where actually one tribe

I am from the mescalero apache tribe

so the apaches weren't indigenous to arizona, correct, they were from alaska canada

I'm an Indian and I love apaches

fun fact: white mountain apaches (western) were scouts for the us cavalry/army because at that time because us guys didn’t get along with the chiracahua bands that didn’t want to surrender to the US Army including Geronimo and his gangster warrior while chief alchesay of white mountain who was also a Medal of Honor during Geronimo campaign try to tell geronimo to surrender in peace.. but remained friends with him until his death in 1909 so my people of white mountain come from a long line of veterans who served in the US army

@hostilesavage4299

16 күн бұрын

Sellouts you mean.. keep it clear and simple...

Im apache Hopis lived in arizona like the longest apaches we are from new mexico always

If a more technologically advanced race of humans were to come to America, and started to settle on our lands, we would act much like the Apache and Comanche resistance fighters back then...Even to this day, we are very good at recognizing the crimes of others, while ignoring or rationalizing our own...Clearly these tribes were fighting for their children and there way of life, which I think is superior to our own, considering we are in a mass extinction event of our own making, exterminating the very life that allows for our very existence...When you couple that with the climate catastrophe and the environmental apocalypse, it's easy to see where we are headed...I understand the indoctrination of our culture, the denial and apathy, that's lead us here, and the fact that most are blind to this obvious reality, even as the smoke billows from our forests, and our crops die, and the storms in the over heated Atlantic, line up and take aim at the source of their energy, as the mass die offs of birds from the sky fall to the earth, and the oceans life washes up on our shores in mind bending numbers....Only when the last tree has been cut down, and the last fish has been caught, will we realize that we cannot eat money...As the indian quote states...There is another quote, Man did not create the web of life, he is but one strand within it...All things are connected.What man does to this web, he does to himself...----Chief Seattle

@realeyesrealizereallies6828

3 жыл бұрын

@Hank Sheffer Positive thoughts are meaningless unless accompanied with action.....Action will only be taken if people are educated to the reality of the situation....We live in this child like culture of hope..Hope can be a good thing if coupled with action, but if you just have hope things will be OK, and provide no stimulus, you'll be disappointed alot of the time, and in the context of what I'm referring to . it's certain to be a 100% failure without a massive amount of action, more so than any single project in human history...I'm an optimist, but more importantly a realist....When people rely on a corrupt system and the hope it provides, they remain apathetic...Apathy and ignorance come with a great cost, on a civilizational scale...I'm a Scottish American, and am well aware of the history of these tribes, including the violence, which pales in comparison, to our violence and destruction....Privilege confers responsibility, responsibility confers action...Take care...I have no need for gods or grandfathers....

Greetings

When the 1861secession started half of the regular US Army left to return to their home states. Those states that were Confederate. Forts out west were abandoned. Union troops left to go back east. Except for gold and silver producing California and northern Nevada defending the West wasn’t a Union priority.

Curious to know if the American hero Ira Hayes was carryin on a Pima tradition of fightin with the US military?

@larryhedrick254

3 жыл бұрын

RT The Pima and Maricopa’s went out with the US military by the hundreds to war against the Apaches. They did not war against the US military.

War pocahonthass we must know ZTheZ/truth

I have Apache in me

Arizona National Guard did not stop California from getting water from the Colorado River because that thing was still built

He took a huge cut in pay leaving the sheriff's office; I guess this is time for a Homer Simpson Doo, that's all I can say. This is where people say, "don't quit your day job."

Records Artifacts combine with false archeology by intentional misinterpretation, The First People, 1 A.D. The rare stolen stainless steel etched and engraved trail guide plates indicated the first people destroyed themselves by feud a division of a single culture. Gilas are most likely descendants of the Pueblo. After the 1960's 48th St. To The Ruins was no longer excavated. All kinds of unknown unidentifiable artifacts were found then never heard of again. When they dug the Mayor T. Hance , 2 mile Tunnel, Downtown Phx. They found important artifacts under there.

Native American

I would not trivilize the Camp Grant Masacure, also you did not even mention that Sam Huges was involved

@larryhedrick254

Жыл бұрын

The story was not about the Camp Grant Massacre. It was only a time period reference to when Crook replaced Stoneman besides, mentioning that Grant called it murder is hardly trivializing it.

And we are not indians we are apaches or natives

.. one side red.. the other blue, with a central leader. Nothing has changed accept the ones being deceived.

Like

I’m aw-a-thum which simply mean the people. No native peoples pronounce it different like o’odham he’s right hat the archeologists said the hu huk Kam disappeared . We didn’t we just changed name and move closer to the gila river.

Nice toupee

The anasasy Indians and the hopi

This guy has no idea where the Apache came from or how long we have been here ...we have been here from the beginning of time. Every few years they find new Apache ruins that pushes the timeline back for these so called experts. But, they will eventually understand we have always been hear, or you could just ask us.

@Ted-Stryker

3 жыл бұрын

You have been fed lies or are an activist. If you really care about Apache history then you'd get it right, TheCoach. I have seen these Indian activists before, and they are a disgrace to their ancestors.

@s.a.morris8625

3 жыл бұрын

...always thought the Apache were a splinter group of the Aztec... guess not...

@fivefold-ct7cy

3 жыл бұрын

EVERY tribe/nation claims to be the original people.

@duststorm9548

3 жыл бұрын

The Idea of "we have been here forever" is just you trying to say "this is mine, and you took it" but in reality people have faught and won lands all over the world and it sucks to be the losers. White people have conquered the United States just as fairly as Germany has a country, France has a country, Belgium, etc etc. All lands have been conquered, so stop with the "stolen" rhetoric. It makes you sound pathetic.

@pauldillman8467

3 жыл бұрын

Only problem with this is the Apache and Navajo we're the same tribe when they arrived here from Canada after the Anasazi we're already gone they haven't been here since the beginning of time so evidently you don't know either

Indians are from INDIA!!

@Diggz11

3 жыл бұрын

Smfh

apache leap...ugly thing. beautiful mt though.

Sieg hail rosamund mund

Greetings