Great video:) Clickspring has a great series recreating the mechanism for anyone looking to dive deeper!

@DigItWithRaven

Жыл бұрын

I watched it as part of my research! There’s also a Lego reconstruction which is amazing!

@PatJamesRicketts

Жыл бұрын

@@DigItWithRaven Saw that one as well:) We need historical Lego sets, ASAP!

@grindsaur

Жыл бұрын

I was just about to recommend the same series! :D

@2VeryIceyGaming

Жыл бұрын

@@DigItWithRavenDo you have a link to the lego creation I would love to try recreating it!!! :)

@thecountryboythreat5273

Жыл бұрын

I dont understand the appeal of mapped lego recreations, its the antithesis of creativity

It's always stumped me how there has only been one of these amazing machines found in the entire world, so it's great to learn that these types were known & documented to be around. Stay dirty, Raven. Love your channel ❤️

@DigItWithRaven

Жыл бұрын

Right?! I loved finding out that there were more people talking about and making them!!

@varyolla435

Жыл бұрын

Such an item would invariably be highly valuable and likely limited to those who could afford to have one - or simply stole it as probably happened here whereby some conqueror appropriated desirable items for themselves . I suspect there was no "factory" cranking these things out by the gross. It would be not unlike Mediaeval books carefully created by hand over a period of years by groups of monks cloistered away somewhere. Only a few copies - or even just one - might be created for some purpose.

@fredarsenault8987

11 ай бұрын

Aliens!

@fredashay

11 ай бұрын

Exactly! Imagine how many wonders have been lost to history because they were never discovered or turned to dust before being discovered.

@dannwan8537

11 ай бұрын

@@varyolla435 No such theme as "afford" time was different back then. Money wasn't the value of life!

I've always been fascinated by the Antikythera Mechanism and I watch all sorts of attempts at modern recreations of it using modern tools and CAD and it still takes loads of expertise and hundreds and hundreds of hours so I cannot even fathom the amount of time and energy (physical and mental) that went into the original. It truly is a wonder to behold.

Probably the most fascinating device in greek archaeology for me, thanks for the presentation !

@DigItWithRaven

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@hariszark7396

Жыл бұрын

Archaeology hasn't even scratched the surface considering ancient Greece in every aspect. You may think you know many things but that is far from truth. Most of the things people knows are just assumptions or theories (most of the times wrong and based on misstranslated text or personal beliefs and agendas) because there is a "systemic" status quo that they try to keep with their teeth and nails. The real ancient Greek treasures are there waiting to be out to the light some day. I'll tell you a secret the world never found out. A few years ago there was a discovery in Athens by accident. They found the laboratory of the sculptor Phidias full of statues and stuff. What the archaeological agency did? They closed and locked the place never telling anything to anyone about it. And that's not the first time this happened.

Great video, I hadn't heard or thought much of the audience, very interesting.

@DigItWithRaven

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

The Dial-Up Service of Destiny

@DigItWithRaven

Жыл бұрын

We'll be fine as long as no one wants to make a phone call!

Love your work Raven! I am guessing if the Time Travel feature worked we could ask Archimedes to demo it for us himself 🤣

@DigItWithRaven

Жыл бұрын

Right?! Too bad this isn't the one he made haha

@sythe77

6 ай бұрын

@@DigItWithRaven It was certainly his design.

Learning more about this find is so exciting for so many reasons.

@DigItWithRaven

Жыл бұрын

It's such a cool thing!! I became obsessed as you can see haha

Love the details, Raven thanks.

I love your videos! Keep up the good work!

Good one! thanks. Still looking forward to your next "wonders of the ancient world" series..

@DigItWithRaven

Жыл бұрын

It’s coming soon! Filmed the next one already ☺️

This thing is almost unbelievably impressive when you consider there are horological pieces that cost tens of thousands of dollars that implement just a few of the most basic functions of the Mechanism. (Check out the Astrolabium Galileo Galilei by Ulysse Nardin.) The engineering alone is difficult to comprehend. Like, we know Euclid was preoccupied with the ability to construct regular n-gons (polygons), which was probably extremely useful if you wanted to mark and cut gears with exactly n teeth, right? But the main gear has 223 teeth, and 223 isn't one of the constructible values of n! My only nitpick as a computer scientist is that the Antikythera, like a wristwatch, probably shouldn't be considered a "computer". At least, it's no more a computer than any calendar would be, although this is probably one of the most impressively detailed calendars ever conceived, let alone actually built, since each Cycle required both the prior astronomical knowledge as well as the engineering to build an additional gear train to track it. Yes, it has gears and gear trains, but like in a clock, those only mark "every x ticks = a month". And it isn't analog, since the logic of its tracking goes by days as its smallest unit, which is discrete and thus digital. (But I suppose people always associate the digital vs. analog distinction with mechanical vs. electronics, which it isn't. So a differential analyzer is an analog computer, whereas Charles Babbage's Difference and Analytical Engines are digital computers, both of which are mechanical.) Btw, Allan Bromley was also famous for poring through years of Babbage's drawings and notes, and understanding and explaining how his Difference and Analytical Engines work!

Thank you, Raven. I have been fascinated by the Antikythera Mechanism (not to be confused by the Antikythera Mech--a clockwork giant robot) for years. Not being a patreon supporter yet, I can only suggest that you do a more in depth episode about it. As for the statement: "the greeks came so close to inventing clockwork..." well, they actually did invent it. Still awesome. Also love the nose ring.

Awesome video as always!

@DigItWithRaven

Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much!! Glad you enjoyed it

An excellent lecture. You have quite a knack for bringing history to life. Fascinating.

@DigItWithRaven

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! So glad you enjoyed it

Just came across Antikthera again and thought let me just check if Raven did a video - and here it is :D thanks again! love these

Very informative Raven love it

@DigItWithRaven

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

thanks for a wonderful presentation

Thanks for the post!

@DigItWithRaven

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!!

The genius of the Greeks will never cease to amaze me! Ζήτω η Ελλάδα!

@NikephorosAer54

6 ай бұрын

Ποιά Ελλάδα; EΚΕΙΝΗ ή αυτή; Άστα να πάνε...

wonderful video!!! I really appreciate your exaggeration of the incredible skill necessary to create such an awesome device!! Thank you.

@pandakicker1

Жыл бұрын

It isn’t an exaggeration. The ancients were incredibly talented in many ways!

Cool. Well done

This was SO VERY fun! And Raven...I LOVE the sound your eyelid makes after you say "Stay dirty my friends!" Wait! If those gears needed lubrication...do you think?(whispers) Banana Oil? No? Fine. And how is your book going? What people fail to understand about us writers is that we are writing even if it just looks like we're staring out a window. = ) Did I mention that the man who wrote the foreward to my book just got The Order of Canada last week?

@DigItWithRaven

Жыл бұрын

Don't ask about the book ahahaha I'm spending every free minute on it and it's very very slow. But slow and steady am I right?! Also oooo lookit you! Congrats :) That's so cool about your book

@classicslover

Жыл бұрын

@@DigItWithRaven Slow and steady! Yes! It's a marathon, not a sprint....as I have to keep reminding myself = ) As I am rewriting. Again. Plus more things keep happening to add! Which is GREAT!

An incredible machine. The whole story is amazing. Thanks for this excellent presentation.

I have been watching the Young Indiana Jones films and the theatrical films to build up towards watching the upcoming film!

@DigItWithRaven

Жыл бұрын

Nice!! I still need to watch that series in its entirety

@HistoryandHeadlines

Жыл бұрын

@@DigItWithRaven They have the whole series on Disney+. I only have one more episode/TV film and then the four theatrical films to re-watch before seeing the new films. The DVD releases of the Young Indiana Jones series also included nearly 100 excellent accompanying documentaries about the various people, places, and ideas that cover the historical background. I have found the Young Indiana Jones episodes to vary considerably in tone. Some episodes are quite serious and tense depictions of World War I, while others are romantic comedies with no action at all. Only a few have him actually looking for a historical artifact. One of the World War I episodes set in Africa reminds me quite a bit of Heart of Darkness or Apocalypse Now. Also, one Young Indiana Jones episodes opens and closes with Harrison Ford playing him and reminiscing on his past when he played jazz and tried to solve a mob murder in Chicago. Finally, only one Young Indiana Jones episode had a supernatural element (Dracula episode).

As you mention, the concept of gears has been around for at least 5000 years. And making gears is a relatively simple process that any shop apprentice could easily manage (all you need is a disc with the ratio laid out, and a file). The genius is in the design itself, rather than the manufacture (though it is exceptional craftsmanship) - which we can see examples of in the history of automata. It took a lot of knowledge to design all the features and calculate the ratios - but it was an age of great thought and discovery, an earlier Renaissance or Enlightenment, where the mechanism doesn't seem so mysteriously out of place to me.

What are the digging tools used by the Thamudis, the Danites, and the Nabataeans in excavating the mountains in Mada’in Saleh, the caves of Shu’ayb and Petra? Is a secret I did not hear her answer? At a time when there was no advanced drilling equipment at that time

@pandakicker1

Жыл бұрын

Time and effort with metal chisels. Sandstone isn’t really that hard to carve.

@AbdullahToorMystic

Жыл бұрын

@@pandakicker1 people will always try find methods to streamline efforts and save time even if all they have is iron.

Really love this channel my favorite thing history ❤❤

I used to build stuff like that out of Meccano, so it was pretty cool when I realised the Greeks were doing the same thing 2200 years ago.

Soo nice. Thank

Wow! Great lecture! You are wonderful! I am curious about the gear with 233 teeth. 233 is a prime number, making it it nearly impossible to calculate and cut with the tools and materials avail able at the time.

@DigItWithRaven

Жыл бұрын

I'm not an expert on ancient Greek tooling technology, but as I've found with a lot of other ancient civilizations... where there's a will, there's a way! So glad you enjoyed the video!

That’s so cool, I’d never even heard of it!

What an awesome idea for alt history novel...

That quote from Arthur C Clark I remember that as a child watching an episode of his television show mysterious World. And it does make you wonder how the world would have been different if devices like that would would have become much more fashionable and what's more widespread. In some ways it's almost depressing thinking about it. Great video 😊

Apart from the gearing complexity that would be equalled 1400 years later (the Wallingford clock) this device contains the following firsts: 1. The first device with graduated dials. The first complex gear train. The first application of differential gearing. The first instance of counter rotating coaxial shafts

Thankyou for this wonderful description of the Antikythera Mechanism This young lady was very interesting to listen to and explained everything in such a pleasant way. I have been fortunate in the fact I have seen this mechanism in the Museum in Greece. It fascinated me.

I am loving your lessons. So consider how useful a device like this would be for establishing all kinds of government records. It could provide “official” dates the way reference objects provide official grams, meters, etc.

Great work! Also dig the piercing, is it new?

@DigItWithRaven

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!! And yes! I just got the ring put in 3 months ago :)

Just think of what else lies in wait, waiting to be discovered and change how we view the ancient world and the things they made and accomplished. People have always been smart and building great works, I’m sure there are so much more artifacts we can’t imagine lying under the waves and soil.

Really interesting. You should do a video about ancient automata. Thank you :)

Thank you for providing a one-stop destination to easily understanding the history & capabilities of the Antikythera Mechanism. It also helps create a great counterbalance to all the Ancient Aliens hysteria crap that surrounds the device as well.

Now that was interesting

Great video , im no historian but i think that due to Athens being one of the busiest sea ports it would have been a multicultural centre...that said when attribute certain finds or inventions to "the ancient Greeks" it does not really acknoledge the wealth of knowledge that would have collected there from the wider ancient world. An example that comes to mind is that Ancient India had Gears. All that said what a mind blowing piece of early engineering

Friedrich Nietzsche, The Birth of Tragedy _"In the sense of this last mysterious question we must now state how the influence of Socrates has spread out over later worlds, right up to this moment and, indeed, into all future ages, like a shadow in the evening sun constantly growing larger, how that influence always makes necessary the re-creation of art -I mean art in its most profound and widest metaphysical sense - and through its own immortality guarantees the immortality of art._ _Before we could recognize this fact, before we convincingly established the innermost dependence of every art on the Greeks, from Homer right up to Socrates, we had to treat these Greeks as the Athenians treated Socrates. Almost every era and cultural stage has at some point sought in an profoundly ill-tempered frame of mind to free itself of the Greeks, because in comparison with the Greeks, all their own achievements, apparently fully original and admired in all sincerity, suddenly appeared to lose their colour and life and shrivelled to unsuccessful copies, in fact, to caricatures. And so a heartfelt inner anger always keeps breaking out again against that arrogant little nation which dared to designate for all time everything that was not produced in its own country as “barbaric.” Who were those Greeks, people asked themselves, who, although they had achieved only an ephemeral historical glitter, only ridiculously restricted institutions, only an ambiguous competence in morality, who could even be identified with hateful vices, yet who had nevertheless laid a claim to a dignity and a pre-eminent place among peoples, appropriate to a genius among the masses? Unfortunately people were not lucky enough to find the cup of hemlock which could easily do away with such a being, for all the poisons which envy, slander, and inner rage created were insufficient to destroy that self-satisfied magnificence. Hence, confronted by the Greeks, people have been ashamed and afraid, unless an individual values the truth above everything else and dares to propose this truth: the notion that the Greeks, as the charioteers of our culture and every other one, hold the reins, but that almost always the wagon and horses are inferior material and do not match the glory of their drivers, who then consider it amusing to whip such a team into the abyss, over which they themselves jump with the leap of Achilles."_

I wonder if searched for an ancient pocket protector would also be found....

Haven't seen the movie yet. Need to watch last Indy

@DigItWithRaven

Жыл бұрын

I hope you like it! Let me know your thoughts :)

@dragonerwolfjames3943

Жыл бұрын

@@DigItWithRaven There might be tears. 😅

It's a fascinating story, I first learned about it on Terry Jones' barbarians. How's the knew job going? PS I am still mad about the battle of Syracuse, damn romans!

Thanks 🙏🏻

@DigItWithRaven

Жыл бұрын

You’re welcome 😊

Well? We're waiting dear miss Raven.......

EvE Online says hello! (Spaecship video game that features the Mechanism in it's lore)

How were the gears made? Were they cast or cut from a blank?...

It puzzles me that such skill and craftsmanship was not recognized for what it is. The modern equivalent is burying a quantum computer with no instructions at a later date dig it up at a time the world is run on quantum computers and not realizing the profund breakthrough of the original device at the time. How was this technology not recorded in a permanent manor? How was it that the knowledge was discarded so easily.

Of course this visor is well researched, edited and just great, but.. Those earrings are amazing. Are they bells? Just wondering if you jangle when you walk...

I bet'cha that the Voynich Manuscript is the instruction manual for the Antikythera Mechanism...

Sounds like something that would be useful to a Seer.

Raven, wyd to your thumb? Also which Kerouac book do you have on your shelf?

When will the Seven Wonders of the Ancient World videos restart? I used to work at a lighthouse, and I'm in suspense.

@DigItWithRaven

Жыл бұрын

It’s coming!! Just finished my notes for the Lighthouse of Alexandria video 😊

I just read an article in Archaeology magazine about work being done on the hunting/gathering tradition in Patagonia by Raven Garvey. Am I correct in thinking that is you?

@DigItWithRaven

Жыл бұрын

It’s not! But I’m super excited to see another Raven in archaeology 😁

have to note that the Greek model was to keep esoteric knowledge secret, and did not have the later Medieval mode of publishing and broadcasting information

@pandakicker1

Жыл бұрын

Such the the nature of the esoteric.

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In that time & culture, astrology was extremely important, especially in Greece. Astrologers were called mathematicos because of the complex calculations involved to draw up a horoscope. One would think an astrologer would love to have a calculator like the antikythera mechanism to help with the drudgery of the complex math! They would have be very wealthy though!

The channel clickspring has videos of making a replica, down to making even the tools needed.

At last, conclusive proof of alien technology 😉😀😂🤣

So one use was to predict eclipses. I wander how the owner used this info. He could have portrayed himself as a god.

@pandakicker1

Жыл бұрын

Lol no that was a known phenomenon that was already tracked by people for awhile before this wreck.

@Lightningdvc

Жыл бұрын

@@pandakicker1 are you saying everybody at this time knew exactly when an eclipse would occur?

This thing wasn't cheap. Possibly some wealthy Roman trying to show his friends he was the man for the new millennia. :)

15:02 ah the bane of archaeologists, people doing the smart thing and recycling their resources to make the best use of them. Well if there are any future historians on today, they won't have the same issue with us. Unforturnately...

@DigItWithRaven

Жыл бұрын

How dare they reuse their precious resources 😂 it’s a little mind-bending thinking about what could have actually existed!

Why does nobody consider that this object is fake?

@pandakicker1

Жыл бұрын

Why would it be fake? The ancient Greeks were known to have made many amazing mechanical objects including mechanical statues.

@flounder2283

Жыл бұрын

@@pandakicker1 if not fake an object out of time. Where are all the other objects like this. simpler geared machines. The greeks were so influential. There would be more evidence of such technology. The romans would have copied it for sure. Think of the evolution of the clock. Also bronze preserve well. I think there is no hard evidence it comes from that wreck.

The Onepiece Treasure

Speaker looks bad with this ring on his nose... its not common on TV. Seems not a serious page I didnt end see this " documental"

Wow for all that those dummies couldnt figure out that the earth is actually flat 😉

I like her nose piercing. Yesyes, I know, the whole story is interesting. Just saying...

only possible on a flat earth

Flat earth device , clearly

Not a computer

Can you make a video on brutality of muslim hordes during 7th century onwards. It would be greatly appreciated educating others of Zoroastrian and other pagan genocide by muslims. Especially banu quraiza also the the heroic rebellion against muslim occupires by papak khoramdin.

@AlbertaGeek

Жыл бұрын

That doesn't really have anything to do with archaeology, does it? It sounds more like you've got an extremely specific socio-historical axe to grind.

@ruberxwibebadhi

Жыл бұрын

@@AlbertaGeek if you start digging in iraq, syria and iran you will find it.

@starcapture3040

Жыл бұрын

the pagan genocide happened under Christianity,and yeah we want video about all of great inventions created in the golden age of Baghdad and Muslim Cordoba. but I still can't find list of Sassined scholars.

@ruberxwibebadhi

Жыл бұрын

@@starcapture3040 lmao most of the knowledge came from persian scholars + muslims stole the credit for themselves.

@starcapture3040

Жыл бұрын

@@ruberxwibebadhi give me the list please

I don’t get why people why like learning. Its boring. I never study i hate school and i hate clever people. All i want is for people never to learn so i dont feel bad about myself. I am not going to make effort now that school is finished. All i an going to do is watch movies and play games and eat chocolates and crisps forever. Down with learning.

You do well, researching and presenting the information to us. One thing though, your vocal fry is quite distracting. And your microphone seems to accentuate it. Once you hear it, you’ll struggle to ‘unhear’ it. While editing, use headphones. If you hadn’t noticed before, you will with headphones. You’re not alone, many many folks have this issue. It’s quite distracting.

A catapult is also a computer? o_O

its great that you analyze these real mysteries, from a scientific point of view

@DigItWithRaven

Жыл бұрын

Ah I’m so glad you enjoyed it! I wanted to make sure this episode was a bit different from the others so we could get to the bottom of it together

@Danetto

Жыл бұрын

@@DigItWithRaven nah be honest u just trying to be like indiana jones xd

@Danetto

Жыл бұрын

@@DigItWithRaven what are some other most impressive artifacts of all time? maybe u can make a top 10 or something^^

@DigItWithRaven

Жыл бұрын

@@Danetto Oooh the biggest challenge would be picking just 10!

@Danetto

Жыл бұрын

@@DigItWithRaven so make it a top 100 xd