The American Presidential Election of 1872

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The 22nd episode in a very long series about the American presidential elections from 1788 to the present. In 1872, it's Grant versus a vegetarian who looks like a lion. Oh yeah, and it's the first presidential election (if not only) in which a woman runs with an African American. Who cares if women can't vote yet!
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For the most part, Ulysses Grant remained popular during his first term as President, especially with the majority of Republicans. He got his party’s renomination. However, some Republicans did not like him so much. For one thing, they didn’t like how Grant had a lot of friends in his Cabinet and ignored merit. A lot of his friends, as it would turn out, were a bit corrupt. As matter of fact, Vice President Schuyler Colfax was tied to the Crédit Mobilier of America scandal, in which many politicians were bribed for actions favorable to the railroad company Union Pacific. It would be just one of several scandals tied to the Grant administration. After Colfax was implicated, the Republican Party decided it might not be such a good idea to renominate him, so they nominated Henry Wilson, the Senator from Massachusetts, to be Grant’s running mate instead.
Still, some Republicans, like Charles Sumner, weren’t satisfied. Sumner was sick of the favoritism Grant showed to friends and family, calling it “Grantism.” Some influential Republicans refused to support him, and actually started a new political party called the Liberal Republican Party. Those dang liberal Republicans. They nominated Horace Greeley, a former Representative from New York and a well-known editor of the New York Tribune, for President. A journalist running for President? Crazy. They nominated Benjamin Gratz Brown, the Governor of Missouri, as his running mate.
Now here’s something interesting, a fusion, or cross-endorsement, nomination. The Democratic Party also decided to nominate Horace Greeley for President and Benjamin Gratz Brown for Vice President. They even adopted the Liberal Republican platform, showing they were cool with Reconstruction policies. Really though, the main reason why they decided to go with the Liberal Republican nominees is because they wanted to take down Grant and knew by nominating different people it would just split his opposition.
How about some third parties? Well, there were at least three new ones. The Labor Reform Party tried to nominate a couple fellows, lawyer Charles O’Conor from New York, and Supreme Court justice David Davis from Illinois, but things just didn’t work out. It was kind of doomed from the start.
Meanwhile, there was the Prohibition Party, which was formed to oppose the consumption and sale of alcohol. James Black, who founded the party and was a big temperance activist, duh!, was their first nominee for President. John Russell, another founder of the party, was his running mate.
By far the most interesting third party that ran for President in 1872, and maybe in American history, was the Equal Rights Party. The National Woman’s Suffrage Association had supported a woman named Victoria Woodhull, an activist who publicly talked trash about the government only being made up of men. Despite the fact that women all across the country could not vote, well except in sparsely populated Wyoming territory, Woodhull became the first woman to be nominated for President in American history. Frederick Douglass was nominated as her running mate, but he never acknowledged the nomination. Woodhull had little money and borrowed money from supporters for her campaign, usually not able to pay them back. Where are Super PACs when you need them, eh? So yeah, just let that sink in for a moment. In 1872, a woman ran for President with an African American as her running mate.
The two frontrunners, Grant and Greeley, were aggressively attacked. Grant for the corruption in his Cabinet, and Greeley for being an eccentric guy for his support of spiritualism (aka communicating with the dead), vegetarianism, prohibition, and socialism, all radical ideas at the time. Greeley had a rough campaign, and had the misfortune of a long history of positions published in his newspaper that opponents could nitpick. Even his own supporters were disappointed with him. On top of that, his wife died right before the election.

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  • @iammrbeat
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    @lierxagerate

    3 жыл бұрын

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    @iammrbeat

    3 жыл бұрын

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  • @davidroddin738

    @davidroddin738

    3 жыл бұрын

    A photo of John Russell exists upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/John_Russell_%28prohibitionist%29.png

  • @draildandfriends2243

    @draildandfriends2243

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@iammrbeat a picture of Russell does exist en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:John_Russell_(prohibitionist).png

  • @renacommetary4607

    @renacommetary4607

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@draildandfriends2243 yes

  • @ryanfriedman4329
    @ryanfriedman43294 жыл бұрын

    Imagine if Ulysses Grant lost his re-election bid to Horace Greeley, only for Horace Greeley to pass away before inauguration.

  • @ryanfriedman4329

    @ryanfriedman4329

    4 жыл бұрын

    Glennandrews I would think they could unite behind Horace, and his vice presidential pick Benjamin Gratz Brown would probably succeed him since that’s how Andrew Johnson became president after Abe Lincoln was assassinated.

  • @akorn9943

    @akorn9943

    2 жыл бұрын

    There's actually a very good chance that Greeley never would have died had he not lost the election. He dealt with the death of his wife, the election loss, and, as a consequence for the souring of his public image through his campaign and defeat, several high ranking members of his newspaper launched a coup against him, all in very quick succession. Because of this, he fell into a deep depression that dramatically worsened his health. It is also speculated that the medicine given to him by the doctors at the time to help him actually made his physical condition even worse. It's not really known what exactly his cause of death was, but there is a very good chance that every voter who chose Grant in this election indirectly voted to kill a man.

  • @deiansalazar140

    @deiansalazar140

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@akorn9943 damn man. Well... Do you think that Grant should have been reelected?

  • @lmperlum

    @lmperlum

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@deiansalazar140 Yes

  • @IsaaacWithThreeA

    @IsaaacWithThreeA

    Жыл бұрын

    “Okay, uhh...” *Whispers to person next to him* “Do I really have to swear in a corpse?”

  • @jacobadams4559
    @jacobadams45594 жыл бұрын

    "But... he died" Jeeez I did not see that coming. Literally sat up in my seat and felt my stomach stop lol

  • @georgewashington673
    @georgewashington6733 жыл бұрын

    Fun fact: Benjamin Gratz Brown, Horace Greeley's running mate, was the grandfather of Margaret Wise Brown, the author of the famous children's book "Goodnight Moon."

  • @playz4816

    @playz4816

    3 жыл бұрын

    Ha cool

  • @anaanton3438

    @anaanton3438

    2 жыл бұрын

    fun facts from the first president

  • @carolinecorman1716

    @carolinecorman1716

    2 жыл бұрын

    👍

  • @BabySonicGT

    @BabySonicGT

    2 жыл бұрын

    Oh ok

  • @rukminikrishna1938

    @rukminikrishna1938

    2 жыл бұрын

    How are you still alive

  • @andysorensen1737
    @andysorensen17375 жыл бұрын

    A sad note about Schuyler Colfax: He died of a heart attack in a train station in Mankato, Minnesota. No one in the train station recognized him, so he had to be identified by the papers he carried with him. A park and memorial to Colfax now stand on the site today.

  • @BobbyHernandez

    @BobbyHernandez

    3 жыл бұрын

    That had to be the most Vice Presidential anecdote I’ve ever heard

  • @bonghunezhou5051

    @bonghunezhou5051

    2 жыл бұрын

    How many ordinary people (who are not political junkies, et al) would recognize the CURRENT VP in such a situation?

  • @darkscorpion-donzaloog

    @darkscorpion-donzaloog

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@bonghunezhou5051 Kamala Harris is not hard to distinguish, though.

  • @jrowlet

    @jrowlet

    Жыл бұрын

    @@darkscorpion-donzaloog Maybe because she is the first woman of color as VP

  • @jack101starZ

    @jack101starZ

    7 ай бұрын

    @@jrowletand the first woman vice president!

  • @kauffner
    @kauffner4 жыл бұрын

    The Republicans got the nickname "Grand Old Party" from this election. In earlier elections, this phrase meant the Democratic Party since they are the older of the two major parties. In 1872, it was Grant's Republicans versus Greeley's newly created Liberal Republicans. So Grant's supporters could claim the GOP title.

  • @Matty8282

    @Matty8282

    3 жыл бұрын

    So that’s where the GOP name came from

  • @joshuajoe1419

    @joshuajoe1419

    3 жыл бұрын

    I’ve always wondered that?

  • @BabySonicGT

    @BabySonicGT

    3 жыл бұрын

    i always wondered what gop meant

  • @kluge1245

    @kluge1245

    2 жыл бұрын

    I don't think that is true. The term "Grand Old Party" or "Gallant Old Party" was beginning to be used as a nickname for the Republican party in the mid-1870s. "Gallant Old Party", in particular, was used in reference to the successful defense of the Union by a Republican leader during the civil war. There is no record of this term being used in reference to the democratic party. The first record of the "GOP" abbreviation is from 1884.

  • @kauffner

    @kauffner

    2 жыл бұрын

    Here is an 1862 speech by Congressman Vallandigham (D-Ohio): "If they meant that I am a Democrat, devoted to the principles and policy, and faithful to the organization of that grand old party.." You can find hundreds of 19th century references in the online newspaper collection at the Library of Congress. I found a reference to the Democrats as the grand old party dated January 24, 1867. As far as "Gallant Old Party" goes, that was once a reference to the Democrats as well. In 1851, the Dems were using it to refer to themselves at the Ohio state convention.

  • @montengro234
    @montengro2345 жыл бұрын

    Easily one of the wildest elections, love it

  • @BigSleepyOx
    @BigSleepyOx5 жыл бұрын

    A additional tidbit on Frederick Douglass, who was nominated for VP by the Equal Rights Party, though did not acknowledge that: For this election he served as one of Grant's electors for the state of New York.

  • @OpinionesDeJACCsOpinions

    @OpinionesDeJACCsOpinions

    5 жыл бұрын

    What?! How do you know that?

  • @jrowlet

    @jrowlet

    Жыл бұрын

    Back when blacks voted for Rs in overwhelming numbers (before Ds started buying their votes with welfare and CRT and wokeness and reverse racism).

  • @georgewashington673
    @georgewashington6734 жыл бұрын

    Had Greeley won but still died before taking office, Grant would likely have been re-elected instead. Since the Constitution didn't specify what would happen in this scenario, the Democratic electors would have split their votes for president like they did in real life, and then the House, which was controlled by the Republicans in 1872, would have voted for Grant. It would have been the election of 1824 all over again.

  • @noahjackl2240

    @noahjackl2240

    Жыл бұрын

    Very interesting alt-history scenario even though it would have ended the same way

  • @eelsemaj99
    @eelsemaj997 жыл бұрын

    Didn't realise the Brexit secretary was that old

  • @hayden-ln1li

    @hayden-ln1li

    4 жыл бұрын

    Everyone who supports Brexit is that old

  • @mysticbazuso36

    @mysticbazuso36

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@hayden-ln1li butthurt

  • @hayden-ln1li

    @hayden-ln1li

    3 жыл бұрын

    Mitch yes

  • @externalboss9404

    @externalboss9404

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@hayden-ln1li agreed

  • @jamellfoster6029

    @jamellfoster6029

    2 жыл бұрын

    LMBO

  • @HVACSoldier
    @HVACSoldier4 жыл бұрын

    David Davis is NOT an awesome name. I was made fun of, because of my name when I was growing up.

  • @iammrbeat

    @iammrbeat

    4 жыл бұрын

    You have an awesome name.

  • @hangukhiphop

    @hangukhiphop

    3 жыл бұрын

    Smart move to switching it up to _Dave_ Davis ;)

  • @evo5dave

    @evo5dave

    3 жыл бұрын

    That was nothing compared to what your sister, Mavis, had to put up with

  • @HVACSoldier

    @HVACSoldier

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@evo5dave Believe it or NOT I had a half aunt named Mavis.

  • @evo5dave

    @evo5dave

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@HVACSoldier Haha!

  • @brobb00
    @brobb003 жыл бұрын

    My dad grew up in Greeley's barn that his daughter had converted into a home!

  • @TheFranchiseCA
    @TheFranchiseCA4 жыл бұрын

    Correction: By 1872, women had full suffrage in Utah as well as Wyoming.

  • @revolutionaryape7568

    @revolutionaryape7568

    2 жыл бұрын

    Yeah

  • @The_-_-
    @The_-_-3 жыл бұрын

    I love how when Mr.Beat can’t find a picture of a dude, he just uses a stickman figure

  • @SarahElisabethJoyal

    @SarahElisabethJoyal

    Жыл бұрын

    This isn't even the last time he had to do that in this series, which is weird to think about somehow

  • @hanndonfield91
    @hanndonfield915 жыл бұрын

    Weve got a politician called david davis ........great name lol

  • @K.C.-Games

    @K.C.-Games

    5 жыл бұрын

    How about John St. John

  • @Gage_Brumley

    @Gage_Brumley

    Жыл бұрын

    @@K.C.-Gamesand his mustache

  • @wolfman-nz6or
    @wolfman-nz6or4 жыл бұрын

    Why did grants opponent look a lot Iike Ben Franklin LMAO 😂😂

  • @YlO414

    @YlO414

    3 жыл бұрын

    That's what I always thought of his opponent always look like Benjamin Franklin

  • @josiahpike
    @josiahpike4 жыл бұрын

    Both of Grant's opponents had interesting hair

  • @michaelheeheejackson7255
    @michaelheeheejackson72557 жыл бұрын

    David Davis is also the brexit secretary

  • @siamiam
    @siamiam8 жыл бұрын

    that was quite the election O_O

  • @iammrbeat

    @iammrbeat

    8 жыл бұрын

    +siamiam Pretty crazy. Pretty, pretty crazy.

  • @emptank
    @emptank4 жыл бұрын

    "President Grant, your cabinet is corrupt, you ignore talented men in favor of your friends. You have had several scandals attached to your name and your vice president is a radical crazy old man. Why shouls people vote for you?" "I defeated Lee and ended the civil war." .... "Shit that's a good point though."

  • @sneddypie

    @sneddypie

    3 жыл бұрын

    grant was nice ideologically, but as president, he struggled tbh

  • @maxwellweiss9849
    @maxwellweiss98493 жыл бұрын

    My AP US History had us take an assignment for our AMSCO book to review this election. There was one problem... there was no description of the 1872 election.... but let;s just say I knew someone who could help me with that ;)

  • @8sins236
    @8sins2365 жыл бұрын

    Greely has a very nice neckbeard.

  • @iammrbeat

    @iammrbeat

    4 жыл бұрын

    The best neckbeard in American history.

  • @theweirdestsmartchannel1842

    @theweirdestsmartchannel1842

    3 жыл бұрын

    Mr. Beat no Lincoln’s was better

  • @8sins236

    @8sins236

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@theweirdestsmartchannel1842 Lincoln's beard was more of a typical beard than a neck beard.

  • @theweirdestsmartchannel1842

    @theweirdestsmartchannel1842

    3 жыл бұрын

    @RYLE SALUNGA nah that’s teddy

  • @mashedpatatos2000

    @mashedpatatos2000

    3 жыл бұрын

    The best beard has to be that of Rutherford B. Hayes.

  • @s4gr_n0s3y
    @s4gr_n0s3y3 жыл бұрын

    Imagine if Greeley was elected, it would’ve been hilarious to see Greeley’s corpse become president

  • @TheLostStars

    @TheLostStars

    3 жыл бұрын

    They would have United under one person if he won

  • @williamcfox
    @williamcfox8 жыл бұрын

    Gratz Brown looks like a mountain man.

  • @iammrbeat

    @iammrbeat

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Political Junkie News A lot of dudes did at this time!

  • @drugstoredilemmas7962
    @drugstoredilemmas79624 жыл бұрын

    Not only is Woodhull the first woman to run for President, she just may be the best looking as well

  • @harrychristofi6725
    @harrychristofi67258 жыл бұрын

    Great work man :D

  • @iammrbeat

    @iammrbeat

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Harry Christofi Thanks Harry!

  • @hordiypowers
    @hordiypowers4 жыл бұрын

    "These presidential elections remains the only one, in which candidate died during electoral process" 2020: yet

  • @runnethdown

    @runnethdown

    4 жыл бұрын

    It's not only possible, but likely, considering the youngest frontrunner (Trump) is *73*

  • @Dirtrock-or3ry

    @Dirtrock-or3ry

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yeah, Biden will be in his 80s by the end of his term (if he even wins)

  • @everettduncan7543

    @everettduncan7543

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Dirtrock-or3ry I still would not be surprised if Trump is dead by the end of Biden's first term

  • @rtasvadum3531

    @rtasvadum3531

    4 жыл бұрын

    @Mouth Eater What about Biden? He is 4 years older than trump with dementia...

  • @ThePooper3000

    @ThePooper3000

    4 жыл бұрын

    Biden and Trump are old as dust. I hope that 2024 will have significantly younger candidates, maybe someone in their 40s.

  • @Fadzi2342
    @Fadzi2342 Жыл бұрын

    Imagine voting for, God forbid, a vegetarian.

  • @fighterofthenightman1057
    @fighterofthenightman10574 жыл бұрын

    Both parties have changed in significant ways over the years, but the GOP and big business have had a love affair from the beginning.

  • @denisebetteridge-johnson647

    @denisebetteridge-johnson647

    3 жыл бұрын

    This was the period where the two party ideologies began to switch identities. If you are interested in the change, start researching from Grant's Presidency. Interesting.

  • @jrowlet

    @jrowlet

    Жыл бұрын

    Ds actually control big business now (corporations have gone woke and controlled by woke corporate executives who do woke marketing and support the liberals on social issues like Disney in Florida), and Ds control Big Media, Big Tech, Hollywood, and entertainment.

  • @schroederscurrentevents3844

    @schroederscurrentevents3844

    Жыл бұрын

    Except for Teddy Roosevelt and Taft

  • @fighterofthenightman1057

    @fighterofthenightman1057

    Жыл бұрын

    @@schroederscurrentevents3844 Even then, Wilson wanted more regulation than both, and Roosevelt was accused by Democrats of stealing their issues.

  • @johnweber4577

    @johnweber4577

    2 ай бұрын

    @@denisebetteridge-johnson647I would say it is more that the Democrats finally settled back into their original role while the Republicans ultimately filled the void left behind by the Whigs as the realignment over the issues around the Civil War Era stated to break down due to those debates effectively being resolved. The old dynamic is unambiguously reasserting itself by the 1896 presidential electron between William McKinley and William Jennings Bryan at least but the process is arguably not fully completed until the rise of the New Deal Coalition.

  • @alextheflagguy4032
    @alextheflagguy40327 жыл бұрын

    I think this is cool especially how ends what if something like that happens again? History does have a tendency to repeat itself.

  • @hucklebucklin
    @hucklebucklin2 жыл бұрын

    The John Russell picture just killed me!!!

  • @itsmealex8959
    @itsmealex89594 жыл бұрын

    4:25 Everyone cheering for Grants reelection except Grant himself.

  • @McIntosh1581
    @McIntosh15817 жыл бұрын

    What if scenario: Lets say if Greeley won or it were the other way around and Grant died before the electoral college met. What would happen then? I know the Constitution states, "If a winning Presidential candidate dies or becomes incapacitated between the counting of electoral votes in Congress and the inauguration, the Vice President elect will become President," but what would happen if the winning candidate dies before the counting of electoral votes like Greeley did? Would the electoral votes that the winning candidate received go to his running mate or would the electors cast their votes for a candidate or person of their choice? I know it seems weird that I'm asking this, but this election had a very unusual occurrence with what happened to Greeley.

  • @dugroz

    @dugroz

    6 жыл бұрын

    I wondered the same thing.

  • @matheuspenteado8174

    @matheuspenteado8174

    5 жыл бұрын

    Colfax would finish Grant's first term as president but the question is about the second term, for which he was elected in 1872. Would the votes go for Wilson? Interesting enough is that Henry Wilson died in office as VP, so he would never complete all four years as president anyway...

  • @sydhenderson6753

    @sydhenderson6753

    3 ай бұрын

    The electoral college would have voted anyway, but the voters for Grant would have been free to vote for whomever they want. If no candidate gets a majority of the electoral college, it goes to the house. It would have been more complicated if Grant died between the electoral college vote and inauguration since I don't think the Vice-President elected would have become President automatically until the twentieth Amendment. Maybe they would have inaugurated the Vice-President then immediately inaugurated him as President.

  • @Mr.Turano
    @Mr.Turano5 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for showing maps and political cartoons, the say the thousands of words you don't hve time to say.

  • @ampersandrue
    @ampersandrue2 жыл бұрын

    David Davis, Awesome Name

  • @thundrr27
    @thundrr272 жыл бұрын

    David Davis looks like Walmart Ulysses Grant lol

  • @novatheredwitch1573
    @novatheredwitch15735 жыл бұрын

    I wonder if there is a special playlist of alternate presidents?

  • @EricE549
    @EricE5492 жыл бұрын

    DAVID DAVIS AWESOME NAME DAVID DAVIS DAVID DAVIS ILLINOIS DAVID DAVIS

  • @jrowlet
    @jrowlet Жыл бұрын

    This is the last election where the Ds and Rs did not face off for President. The Rs nominated Grant, but the Ds just advanced no candidate and got behind Liberal Rs. Every election since 1872 has been Rs against Ds (and of course third parties that never win).

  • @time4history584
    @time4history5848 жыл бұрын

    great video

  • @iammrbeat

    @iammrbeat

    8 жыл бұрын

    +Time 4 history Thanks! :D

  • @harrytruman5700
    @harrytruman57003 жыл бұрын

    Grant VS Greeley in 72. Grant and Greeley in a Debate. Grant: I know I have corruption In my Cabinet But I cool. Greeley: I want to Be The First journalist To became President how About That Grant.

  • @robkunkel8833
    @robkunkel883310 ай бұрын

    1:31 Where is this hall? It looks enormous. There has to be 150,000 people there.

  • @BlackSalamander439
    @BlackSalamander4394 жыл бұрын

    1:07 He looks like Paul Ryan with a beard

  • @ashleighstratmann7783
    @ashleighstratmann7783 Жыл бұрын

    Victoria Woodhull was actually brought up in Mysteries of the Museum. Don't ask which one as I been benge watching episode after episode on Discovery Plus during the day (using night to catch up on youtube) and often loss track whereI am in the show

  • @ashleighstratmann7783

    @ashleighstratmann7783

    Жыл бұрын

    I don't think I'm at the end though despite how many episodes I have seen.

  • @mattthesilent777RED
    @mattthesilent777RED2 жыл бұрын

    America somehow had women and black men as candidates for government leaders before Britain???

  • @Talisguy

    @Talisguy

    Жыл бұрын

    It's honestly not that surprising. America has had a long history as a birthplace of radical new ideas and philosophies. Around the time of the Revolutionary War, the Society of Universal Friends was founded: a Quaker offshoot quasi-socialist religious commune led by a non-binary preacher who claimed to have died as a woman and become the genderless reincarnation of Jesus Christ. The Friends were very egalitarian, women held prominent positions of power, it was particularly attractive to single women - again, this was in 1776. And while this was very notable, it wasn't entirely out of keeping with the culture of the US at the time. There were a fair few new religious denominations at the time that re-examined the role of (almost always white, admittedly) women in society in pretty radical ways. Also, this is a bit of a nitpick, but the UK doesn't choose its government leaders the way the US does - you vote for the party, not a candidate for the head of government, and the head of the main party that forms the government (who is elected by the party, not the people) becomes the new head of government. So whether the UK elects a black Prime Minister or not isn't entirely up to the voters.

  • @mattthesilent777RED

    @mattthesilent777RED

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Talisguy That last bit is something I hate about my nation's government. As far as I know, we Brits ended slavery at least 30 years before America did. We are also radical in our own ways, we actually have a popular socialist political party and we have had three female PMs, (Don't judge me but when it came to how effective they were, only the second one seemed mildly good)

  • @Talisguy

    @Talisguy

    Жыл бұрын

    @@mattthesilent777RED I thought you might be American, my bad. I'm not American either, for the record, I'm Scottish. Also...yeah, the UK did end slavery (at least at home, not in its colonies) sixty or so years ahead of the US, but the political class (and thus access to elected office) was so much more stratified by class in the UK at the time than it was in the US that a black man could never have been a contender for Prime Minister in 19th-century Britain. Several POTUSes were literally born in log cabins, dirt poor, and I could never imagine that happening in Britain because the political establishment is so dominated by upper class Eton dipshits (not that I could imagine someone becoming President after being born dirt poor in the modern US, either,) and that tends to mean people who come from money, and that just... wasn't the case for many black British people at the time. You did get one or two cases of the biracial sons of slave-owning aristocrats becoming MPs, but that was basically it. Whereas in the US, you had former slaves serving in Congress and the Senate around this time (they all represented the South, to add to the unexpected). A black man actually becoming president at this time would have been highly unlikely, but a black presidential nominee during Reconstruction? More likely than you'd think. ...Certainly much more likely than the idea would become between the end of Reconstruction and the Civil Rights Act, sadly.

  • @MRB16th
    @MRB16th3 жыл бұрын

    I will note that Greeley had minimal political experience and couldn't campaign to save himself, while Brown was an ineffectual Governor and raging alcoholic: the whole 1872 Democrat/Liberal Republican ticket was, quite simply, a complete shambles. The three electors who cast their vote for the late Horace Greeley as President had their votes rejected (their VP votes for Brown were accepted), along with all 14 electoral votes from Louisiana and Arkansas (these were due to various irregularities, including allegations of electoral fraud: these states voted for Grant).

  • @newvgaming1008
    @newvgaming10083 жыл бұрын

    0:41 Well guess what? His name is Ulysses S. Grant! He GRANTs everything for his friends!

  • @mrlarry271
    @mrlarry2712 жыл бұрын

    Those darn liberal Republicans. Not a phrase you hear a whole lot nowadays.

  • @jrowlet

    @jrowlet

    Жыл бұрын

    Now you hear a different term for liberal Republicans: RINOs.

  • @TeeGee3
    @TeeGee3 Жыл бұрын

    Jornal 22; Horace greegy died and made me cry

  • @divusgaiusjuliuscaesar4657
    @divusgaiusjuliuscaesar46573 жыл бұрын

    This is one of the few where the opposition was just so damn HOT!

  • @matheus2020a
    @matheus2020a2 жыл бұрын

    In a Scenario That Greeley Wins,It Looks Like Some Real Scenario In Brazil. In 1985,Tancredo Neves Wins The Elections Against Paulo Maluf,Tancredo Died Before he Turned President.

  • @jrowlet

    @jrowlet

    Жыл бұрын

    That has happened when people get elected to Congress but die before the new Congress convenes. Luke Letlow died of COVID after his election but before his inauguration (his wife Julia got elected in a special election to fill his US House seat).

  • @zacharymohammadi
    @zacharymohammadi4 жыл бұрын

    This election was certainly a weird one.

  • @jrowlet

    @jrowlet

    Жыл бұрын

    Indeed, it was the last election where we did not get Rs and Ds facing off. Ds sat out and got behind Liberal Rs and Rs nominated Grant. We have had Ds and Rs in presidential elections without fail ever since (and some third parties that never win).

  • @degozaru9196
    @degozaru91963 жыл бұрын

    The election of eccentric facial hair

  • @yashtherider9755
    @yashtherider97553 жыл бұрын

    Ulyess S. Grant was so powerfull 6 candidates for president election is weird thing in american history

  • @brucetelfeyan
    @brucetelfeyan2 жыл бұрын

    This leaves out that Charles O'Conor was the Straight Out Democrats nominee even though he declined the nomination.

  • @johnbro67
    @johnbro673 жыл бұрын

    If you Search up Horace Greenely on google He died November 29,1872 and if you go to his wife she died October 29, 1872

  • @cheydinal5401
    @cheydinal54014 жыл бұрын

    I mean, doesn't Bobby Kennedy dying also count as "dying during the electoral process"?

  • @johnlouisgood

    @johnlouisgood

    4 жыл бұрын

    Probably not because he wasn't the nominee of the democratic party, he was running for it.

  • @daggerhell99

    @daggerhell99

    3 жыл бұрын

    At the convention most of Robert Kennedy's delegates went to George McGovern, while the rest voted for Eugene McCarthy.

  • @carolinemason9584

    @carolinemason9584

    5 ай бұрын

    Technically not because they were finishing the primaries, and he wasn’t nominated

  • @coreymakesmusic9691
    @coreymakesmusic96912 жыл бұрын

    Who is Jenkins?

  • @harvestedvoltage4324
    @harvestedvoltage4324 Жыл бұрын

    Henry Wilson looks like Gregg Turkington

  • @Gage_Brumley
    @Gage_Brumley3 жыл бұрын

    4:53 Is it just me or does Thomas Hendricks look like Horace Slughorn from Harry Potter

  • @ghyuty17

    @ghyuty17

    2 жыл бұрын

    You got a point

  • @tonecot8932
    @tonecot89324 ай бұрын

    Not only did David Davis have an awesome name, but he was considered one of the heaviest men in America at the time. He weighed over 400 lbs when he was on the court and supposedly weighed close to 600 in his final years.

  • @jameswhite4382
    @jameswhite43823 жыл бұрын

    3:44 148 years later, a white man and black woman (& south Asian descent) would win the presidency, this is still a good reference though

  • @user-dr2sm7wu5o
    @user-dr2sm7wu5o9 ай бұрын

    I can't count on how many facts I didn't know.

  • @robbied2113
    @robbied21134 жыл бұрын

    How do you getc71 percent of the population voting but no female voters?

  • @oneofmanyparadoxfans5447

    @oneofmanyparadoxfans5447

    4 жыл бұрын

    I'm guessing that 71 percent was out of the eligible population.

  • @huanlecongquoc957
    @huanlecongquoc9574 жыл бұрын

    1:26 says the guy who got canned by a slave owner

  • @hellodude7008
    @hellodude700810 ай бұрын

    a picture of John Russell does exist

  • @aradicalkiwi806
    @aradicalkiwi8063 жыл бұрын

    Ok, listen, I have no idea if this will be responded to by you or someone cause this video is old, but I have a question. On Wikipedia it says the liberal republicans were classical liberals, and created to oppose the corruption of Grant, but also his radical reconstruction, and his radical republican supporters. However, it is also the case that Greeley was a socialist, fairly radical, and that radical republicans like Charles Sumner supported the liberal republicans. This confuses me? Which description of the liberal republicans is more correct?

  • @moontruther7519

    @moontruther7519

    Жыл бұрын

    Socialist was not as Radical of an idea back then, in fact Moderate Republican savior Abraham Lincoln was pen pals with Karl Marx. The Liberal Republican party was grasping at straws with Greeley, really. I doubt they actually adhered to Liberalism considering their closeness to the Democratic Party, which was itself an amalgimation of Libertarianism, Liberalism, Social Democracy and Social Conservatism. Idk though, Greeley could've just been a Social Democrat and not an actual Socialist, Socialism and Liberalism do not exactly go well together..

  • @aradicalkiwi806

    @aradicalkiwi806

    Жыл бұрын

    @@moontruther7519 When I asked this I knew a lot less about the history of socialism. One of the most popular brands of socialism especially in the US was individualist socialism, and that distinctly adhered to the classical liberal idea. So did Proudhons socialism, and in certain aspects, Marx’s socialism. Lincoln never personally wrote to Marx but the Marx wrote to his office on behalf of the First International and his office sent a favorable reply. Marx was a protesting hero of the movement to keep Britain from joining the confederacy, and gathering support for the Unions. Marx and Engels were also editors of the Republican party’s main newspapers first international publishing office in London. And the Labor theory of value, which was seen as common sense morality, and the moral credit of liberalism, since Smith created it as a benefit of the market system under his belief Liberalism entailed perfect freedom, which would naturally by human nature cause perfect equality through the equitable skills and capacity of humans given equitable means. Of course the capitalist critique is pointing out the system that came about following mercantilism was not Smiths liberalism, and the labor theory of value is not fulfilled for that reason.

  • @swxr06
    @swxr062 жыл бұрын

    3:09

  • @FMmffmFM
    @FMmffmFM3 ай бұрын

    "it remains the only election in which one xandidate died" *Hold my breath in 2024*

  • @Cerracrossing
    @Cerracrossing4 жыл бұрын

    Is this the only election in which a deceased person got any electoral votes?

  • @WTMNNJR

    @WTMNNJR

    4 жыл бұрын

    One of the recent ones did too I think.

  • @maddiemae73
    @maddiemae739 ай бұрын

    Fun fact: I’m related to Horace Greeley

  • @kingify6180
    @kingify61803 жыл бұрын

    Nice

  • @somebodyiguess5969
    @somebodyiguess59693 жыл бұрын

    Fun Fact: This election had the most faithless electors in U.S history

  • @iammrbeat

    @iammrbeat

    3 жыл бұрын

    Nope. That was 2016.

  • @somebodyiguess5969

    @somebodyiguess5969

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@iammrbeat oh

  • @JFMV763

    @JFMV763

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@iammrbeat I'm pretty sure this one had more, 2016 had 10 and this one had 63 (the electors were pledged to vote for Greeley even if he was dead, only 3 of them actually did even though said votes were rejected for doing so)

  • @mattthesilent777RED
    @mattthesilent777RED Жыл бұрын

    Grant is my most underrated president

  • @josestarks8892
    @josestarks88925 жыл бұрын

    What if Greeley had won? Who would've been President.

  • @scottaznavourian5791

    @scottaznavourian5791

    5 жыл бұрын

    Even with the 25th amendment in place theres still no answer to this question. I guess the electoral college would just vote the way they wanted (like they did with greely electoral votes anyways) but im guesssing the pressure would be on to elect the vice president elect

  • @coolcricketfan9926

    @coolcricketfan9926

    4 жыл бұрын

    Maybe the Greeley vice president would have been president or Thomas Hendricks because Greeley votes shifted to him.

  • @KingBueno619
    @KingBueno6194 ай бұрын

    “He…Died” yeah “died” End of the video

  • @markgrant3465
    @markgrant34652 жыл бұрын

    I'm related to grant

  • @jesusparedones
    @jesusparedones3 жыл бұрын

    I voted for Horace Greeley in that election

  • @gado184
    @gado1844 жыл бұрын

    Economics is the failed effort to extrapolate and surmise what future human expectations will be.

  • @bayernmunchenkeepersunion4350
    @bayernmunchenkeepersunion43503 жыл бұрын

    Does my guy have a neck beard??

  • @playz4816
    @playz48163 жыл бұрын

    DAVID FRICKIN DAVIZ

  • @lavaknight3682
    @lavaknight36823 жыл бұрын

    A journalist as leader of a nation? *looks at Kaiserreich Jack Reed* it’s more likely than you think!

  • @lightningbolt4419
    @lightningbolt44193 жыл бұрын

    I would vote grant this election

  • @matthewmiranda3557
    @matthewmiranda35573 жыл бұрын

    Horace Greeley was an eccentric guy, huh? With a neckbeard like that I'd be surprised if he weren't.

  • @librosdejoaquine.brotonsbr7753
    @librosdejoaquine.brotonsbr77534 жыл бұрын

    Liberal republicans or adams' right is the silly branch of republican party. In 1964 Reagan supported goldwater, not rockefeller, the liberal republican of the day.

  • @rupeshsarthi6797
    @rupeshsarthi67973 жыл бұрын

    Best

  • @is34preteristforce
    @is34preteristforce Жыл бұрын

    ❤❤

  • @robloxianroventures164
    @robloxianroventures1643 жыл бұрын

    i just typed in a random number

  • @ashtoncollins868
    @ashtoncollins8682 жыл бұрын

    Look I’m just gonna skip this one (Nope I made a comment now)

  • @TPChatter
    @TPChatter3 жыл бұрын

    Mr. Beat please respond to me.

  • @nikolamandic6595
    @nikolamandic65957 ай бұрын

    5:16

  • @insertaliashere1379
    @insertaliashere13793 жыл бұрын

    Ahhhhhhhh. AAAAHHHHHHHH. GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

  • @AnnoyingAllie3
    @AnnoyingAllie38 ай бұрын

    This is my favorite election, really wish Horace Greeley won, then the Liberal Republicans might've taken up space, we might've ended up being the multiparty state we can be

  • @ryanheister6802
    @ryanheister68023 жыл бұрын

    Charles O'Connor looks like Joe Biden after 8 years as President

  • @coasterhockygamingboy9549

    @coasterhockygamingboy9549

    3 жыл бұрын

    He won’t have an “after Presidency”

  • @carlosiiideespana3712
    @carlosiiideespana37124 жыл бұрын

    4:02 Um, they judged him for being vegetarian? .

  • @michaelweiske702

    @michaelweiske702

    4 жыл бұрын

    Yes. Vegetarianism was uncommon and continued to be until the 70s. It was viewed as strange back then.

  • @carlosiiideespana3712

    @carlosiiideespana3712

    4 жыл бұрын

    Michael Weiske I understand your point and I knew that before, I just didn’t think they would judge someone in politics back then for being vegetarian. I’m vegan myself anyway.

  • @carlwheezer4832
    @carlwheezer48324 жыл бұрын

    K

  • @chrise8275
    @chrise82753 жыл бұрын

    Grant was the first president born in Ohio.

  • @deleted-something
    @deleted-something Жыл бұрын

    noice

  • @leoscar999
    @leoscar9993 жыл бұрын

    It might happen again after trump got covid 19

  • @user-ld9xw8ck2r
    @user-ld9xw8ck2r3 ай бұрын

    He had a lot crooks in his.adminstatoon he was a bad candidate