The Almagest - Objectivity 124
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Mike Merrifield joins Brady at the Royal Astronomical Society to look at a first published edition of Ptolemy's Almagest.
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That book is nothing short of a work of art. The typography and illustrations and diagrams... just amazing. I'm gonna see if I can find a PDF version of it somewhere online.
TRANSLATION FOR AMERICANS "Chinese Whispers" = "The Game of Telephone"
@CanalRadioMax
7 жыл бұрын
Timothy Milligan Thanks. And it's curious that for me (spanish speaker) both expressions kinda work. Chinese whispers = Cuentos chinos = Lies. Telephone game = jugar al teléfono (descompuesto) = distorted true.
@osenseijedi
7 жыл бұрын
And in French : Arabic Telephone (telephone arabe) which is both the game and the distorted truth.
@Visocacas
7 жыл бұрын
Broken Telephone is another name for it.
@willemvandebeek
7 жыл бұрын
Lost in translation?
@edgeeffect
7 жыл бұрын
Sorry, I didn't hear that properly... did you say "Crimean C.R.I.S.P.R." ???
@ 2:33 "I'm sure that's not what we're supposed to be looking at anyway," In 1515 those initials were usually quite relevant to the information on the page. The emblem book was pretty popular amongst those with the means to buy books, and initials can be miniature emblemata. The fact that you were looking at an ouroboros in specific is QUITE. SIGNIFICANT. It's something a 16th-17th century author, printer, or translator would have EXPECTED the educated class to immediately take note of and consider the text more deeply based on its association.
Hi Brady I like your hair (Applause)
Tom Apostol's Project Mathematics series from Cal Tech (now available on YT) refers to Hipparchus' treatise on chords of circles. Specifically that "this work is now lost, but many of the ideas survived in Ptolemy's Almagest."
(Laughter.) = lol
@kliop00023
5 жыл бұрын
lolol
@randompasserbyontheinterne9195
Жыл бұрын
lololol
Unrelated question: In all your time filming at the royal society, have you ever accidentally damaged anything from the archives? I'd love to see a blooper reel if you have any
I've read various sections of Ptolemy's work and I have to say it continues to be one of the greatest works I have ever read. His preface especially, where he refers to the usage of mathematics as a way of bridging the mortal science of physics with the divine science of astronomy.
Woot! New Objectivity..and one with my favorite DeepSkyVideos guest :)
Vieta is such an underrated mathematician. Needs more publicity.
I do not think the same edition of "Almagest" in the video is the one given be Lord Lindsay as recorded in the 1876 Register. The Register records a gift of "Ptolemy's Almagest, fol. 1579" and the video features a 1515 folio published in Venice. Also the Register recorded that Vieta's Canon is a 1579 folio published in Paris, and it omits a mention of the publisher's city for the Almagest.
@Palifiox
7 жыл бұрын
At 2:51 there is a placement of Western Australia astride the Tropic of Capricorn at about the right longitude though the north-south distance is compressed. The legend is Nova - something. It was Willem Janszoon who first reached that coast in 1618 and mapped the western shore of what is now called North West Cape. Of course the map might have been speculation. The name "New Holland" was applied by Tasman in 1644.
Nice to see professor Merrifield in this channel :-)
Thank you for the video.
Fascinating stuff Brady.
Astronomy videos are the best
Ptolemy's epicycle model working reminds me of quantum mechanics. QM, and particularly the Copenhagen interpretation of QM can't possibly be a true representation of reality, but there's no denying that the math works. Hopefully we're not stuck with QM for thousands of years like we were with Ptolemy's system.
@yarolthygod
7 жыл бұрын
Yeah lol nice analogy.
@Markle2k
7 жыл бұрын
The epicycles were not accurate to 12 decimal places like QED.
@yarolthygod
7 жыл бұрын
;)
@lukasdon0007
7 жыл бұрын
Actually in the 16th and 17th century the situation would have been the exact opposite: the Ptolemaic system was very intuitive and easy to comprehend, and had all the philosophical weight behind it as the more obvious real system of the world. It was the Copernican system (with the sun in the middle) that had to fight for its place, and it largely did so by appealing to the mathematical elegance. Many astronomers used the Copernican system for their calculations, but they stressed that it was only a mathematical model and that *obviously* in the real world the earth was in the center. This was not just a theological cop-out either; many people genuinely believed that the earth must be in the center, as this just made more sense to people at the time.
@xelxebar
7 жыл бұрын
Given the accuracy standards of the time, they were pretty damn spot on. Even half a century later the tables were still accurate enough to predict planetary positions to within a few degrees.
(Applause)
@kliop00023
5 жыл бұрын
(Laughter.)
More of Mike in Objectivity videos please! :D
I read the title as "The Amalgamist", genuinely thought it was about Mercury compounds.
@AtlasReburdened
7 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I clicked at a glance and was expecting to find out about dental amalgams or something.
There! I did it again! Clicked the "like" after one second of video. Didn't regret it either!
Interesting that the minutes of 1876 has the full stop or period inside the closing bracket, a style which is still common in the US today. I had assumed the US had broken with UK tradition and adopted that style possibly to protect the more vulnerable to physical damage character. Looks like I was wrong and it was the UK that changed or at least in this one case but probably more generally.
Library it ought to be in a museum
Should we award 23 And Me a special vote of thanks?
How come the video is 4 years old and it is the first time i see this channel
Brady, did you get your 23 and me test done? I'd love to see a video about it! I got mine done as well, having no prior knowledge of my ancestry (very messy family tree) and it was so interesting!
I love how the book is sitting on a pillow😂
That's impressively technical.
The decorative letters are called Illumination, Brady.
Nice T-shirt, Brady!
@ObjectivityVideos
7 жыл бұрын
That's the Newton version.... link in the description. ;)
How the heck is it in such good condition?
@celtgunn9775
7 жыл бұрын
Breakfast221 it is written on vellum, not paper. Vellum kept out of harsh conditions will last so very long...
The Almagest; if I ever make a Reader's Digest of an Almanac, I already know what it's gonna be called
What procedures and safeguards does 23andme have in place to guarantee that DNA samples are kept private?
@jdupree3875
7 жыл бұрын
they aren't. your DNA can be sold to third-parties like life insurance, disability insurance, prospective employers, etc.
Prof. Merrifield should donate his "Atlas of Creation" to the library.
Since the title ALMAGEST means "the greatest", it's a hybrid name. It had to be the greatest book other than the Bible ever written by a body of men then read by the public during the ancient times.
@daveotuwa5596
4 жыл бұрын
life's best book of knowledge
1:24 Are those dots just errors in copying process?
Thought I would give this a thumbs up from the 5th floor of the mighty black stump 👍
So, do we see the Viete next?
A vote of thanks? How marvelously bureaucratic.
The pictures at the start of chapters are called illuminated letters.
@johnsonguitarstudio
6 жыл бұрын
Nah, 'illuminations' specifically have gold or silver in the illustrations. These are actually called 'initials' or 'drop caps'.
2:15 It's known as 'illumination', Brady!
@sirknight4981
4 жыл бұрын
In this specific instance, it is more accurate to call this a Historiated initial.
Regarding DNA testing services, no one gets my DNA until we pass laws to bar the government from legally subpoenaing the data.
@jdupree3875
7 жыл бұрын
or from the company selling the data.
@John_Ridley
7 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't even do it then. I'd do it if there was a service certified to print out one copy to mail to me, then scrub identifying info. They need to keep the data in some form to do the service that they provide. What would be ideal would be to provide you with a unique/random login to a database frontend printed on the delivered report, then scrub the connection to name/address/email, so that you could make connections if you choose to by logging in and sending messages, but they couldn't identify who was who.
lold @2:30 good rewatch
Why would you need to calculate the position of the planets in 1515, it's not like they had a space program or anything. And if there isn't any practical use for it, it's kind of cool that people put so much effort into something they can't even use.
@miguellorenzosingian1562
5 жыл бұрын
They did use them, for navigation, calendars, and astrology.
@awileksand
2 жыл бұрын
Also physics.
"You can't describe medieval book illumnation in a single sente-" 2:23
2:40 looks like the Greeks discovered Antarctica.
@Fummy007
7 жыл бұрын
Looks like it but that map must have been drawn in the 1500s and thats Terra Australis.
BRADY.... in your advert for 23 and me at the end you said "Slash" not "forward slash".... thank you, thank you, thank you. I can't give you a vote of thanks from The Royal Society, but I can give you a vote for thanks from my own "Committee for less annoying English" ;)
The old image of the solar model (the one with the Earth in the middle) surely isn't from this book... I'm noting this because you are showing us an ancient book about astronomy, from Ptolomeu, printed in 1515, and the image is also ancient looking, but the Earth geography displayed is far too detailed to be included in a book from that time. Some of those Earth features weren't even had yet been discovered back then.
@lukasdon0007
7 жыл бұрын
What he obviously meant is that the metaphorical image (i.e. the system of the universe they were advocating, namely geocentrism) was an ancient image. So the illustration on the pages is obviously 15th century (it doesn't even look ancient, as you suggested) but the model of the universe it described was not invented by Ptolemy but had already existed for thousands of years.
@nunogue
7 жыл бұрын
Hi Lukas, thank you for your reply. I understood the context and the reasoning... You say that the image doesn't even look ancient, but ... to me, looks positively taken from an old book: Do you see the ridge in the middle and the paper colour? Anyway, the fact that a geocentric representation, much like this one, would be present in that early edition of the Almagest is not at all out of place, Even with the use of colour in the image, That's exaclty why i stopped the video to admire it and then started noticing that it couldn't be an image from a book printed in 1515. And thus my comment.
Wow what a great Apple Watch on the professor. It really looks classy, much better than any Omega ;p
please lose the sponsor, and include a segment to advertise a patreon and merch. 23 and me doesn't have policies in place to keep the customers' information private.
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Kinda depressing that they understood how to dissolve the ambiguity of the connotation of a sentence communicated by text, but that seems to be completely beyond the scope of the modern people.
second?
@ethannuijens59
7 жыл бұрын
IamTills I think you are
Flat Earth candy.
Omg, wear gloves!!
wow. bad video, thrown together cheapishly dont even see the professors face.