As many viewers have mentioned, the word "quay" is usually pronounced "key." I apologize for the error.

@GaveMeGrace1

4 жыл бұрын

I didn’t know that either. Thank you.

@Ni999

4 жыл бұрын

Today quay, tomorrow Mackinac! 👍😋

@heartsparkdollar

4 жыл бұрын

You pronounced it correctly

@MostlyPennyCat

4 жыл бұрын

@Da Mighty Shabba Don't worry too much, quay is French.

@etheroar6312

4 жыл бұрын

According to the Oxford dictionary it is also pronounced "kway". And 60 years ago the "t" in often was silent. Just sayin'.

"The Royal Marines engaged in what was described as 'disturbances in town out of all proportion to their numbers ". In other words, they found the pubs first.

@jackmehoff2312

4 жыл бұрын

Burned, pillaged and drank excessively... good British Marines!

@jasonc3522

4 жыл бұрын

Get drunk, f*CK things up.

@dylanhealy8126

4 жыл бұрын

7,000 US Sailors and Marines training in Norway last year caused a beer shortage in Reykjavik, Norway. www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=0ahUKEwjAsaPBrubjAhWEneAKHWNIAFYQzPwBCAM&url=https%3A%2F%2Ftime.com%2F5440128%2Famerican-sailors-marines-drank-iceland-beer%2F&psig=AOvVaw0tCECHcZD-fsRTck1ycI0a&ust=1564910089822240

@mouser4290

4 жыл бұрын

@@dylanhealy8126 :)

@oliverreedslovechild

4 жыл бұрын

@@dylanhealy8126 . If you check your link you'll find that Reykjavik is in Iceland, not Norway. If they'd been UK Sailors and Marines , they'd have drunk the place dry, not merely caused a beer shortage ;~)

I am Madagascan. My entire childhood, I was very confused when my grandma told me stories of my grandfather’s WW2 experience. I didn’t understand why he fought against the Brits despite Madagascar was French. I had no idea why he fought in Madagascar far from the Pacific and European theatres. I had to wait for the invention of Internet and some amateur historian‘s webpage in the early 2000s to finally find out about operation Iron Clad. This story is not told in school and nobody made a movie about it. My grandpa lost a friend, people died, their family cried, but History went on and forgot they even ever existed.

@carymnuhgibrilsamadalnasud1222

10 ай бұрын

Probably vichy french.

@josoloa9239

6 ай бұрын

Just a little correction: Madagascan is an outdated appelation, we call ourselves Malagasy (in english, german and Malagasy) now and Malgache (in French and spanish)

@justicesomeday

5 ай бұрын

Akore...i hope to meet you someday, just got thru visiting Madagascar

@justicesomeday

5 ай бұрын

I'm subscribe to your channel

@markhartfield8186

5 ай бұрын

War is horrible

The HMS Anthony's assault was notable for two things: -The currents made it incredibly difficult to land so the Captain improvised and in possibly the greatest act of seamanship I've heard of, he essentially used the currents to execute a handbrake turn and backed onto the jetty in order to land the force of Royal Marines. -The Marines were sent on what was effectively a suicide mission but a vital one for the success of the campaign, the force commander Major General Sturges RM reckoned they had a 50-50 chance of survival and his staff reckoned they had an 85% chance of being wiped out, but the importance of the mission and the lives saved by their success justified their sacrifice. The landing party went on a loud and destructive rampage and while suffering relatively light casualties, the result being enough of a distraction caused that the armoured force could achieve victory But most importantly the Madagascar campaign was one of the finest examples of the manoeuvrist approach complementing the straight forward direct assault approach outside of the Seven Years War. Not only that because the waters west of the island had very dangerous channels, so much so that an amphibious assault from the west was considered impossible hence why the landing was largely unopposed. Landing in an area too dangerous to considered by the defenders was an incredibly bold move by the commanding officer Major General Sturges RM. Also the main push was to capture Diego Suarez because it was felt the rest of Madagascar was unimportant and DS could be taken and held with the rest of the the island occupied but it was hoped that taking DS would force a surrender. On the whole the lessons learnt made the allies very confident that amphibious assaults could be very successful which ultimately led to the invasions of Sicily, Italy, and France; especially considering the overshadowing fear of failed expeditions created by the Gallipoli campaign

I’m glad I’m a patron because of episodes like this. I had absolutely no idea that this occurred in ww2

@anonymusum

4 жыл бұрын

There´s one answer to your question: Good old books.

@crumbum2

4 жыл бұрын

I suggest you read more.

@georgehunter2813

4 жыл бұрын

WWII was truly a world war. The Janpanese in Madagascar with midget submarines...South Africans, Rhodesians, and biforcated France oh my.

@lindsaygraham5687

4 жыл бұрын

I've read a lot about WWII and never ran across any mention of this or the attempt to invade Dakar. The English fought Vichy French in Syria and that is very obscure. Hey History Guy! England and USSR invaded Iran in WWII to force the Persians to allow US war supplies to be sent to Russia from the Persian Gulf. There were significant battles as brave Iranians fought to defend their nation. Later Germany parachuted sabotage teams into Iran to disrupt the supply line. How about a video on this obscure war theatre? Also maybe an entire video dedicated to the massive amounts of English and USA supplies sent to the Soviet Union? That is a story in itself. Thanks for another EXCELLENT well researched video with period photos of the event!

@johnleclerc8806

4 жыл бұрын

Me neither, never heard of it.

"Relatively unknown operation"? Must be in the running for understatement of the year.

@alexhayden2303

4 жыл бұрын

A British trait? (Tray.)

@erkhyanrafosa4190

4 жыл бұрын

Most people here in Madagascar had no idea this happened. It was never taught in school. I was in school from 1990 to 2002 and only learned about the Battle of Madagascar when I stumbled on a Wikipedia article around 2006.

@steventhompson399

3 жыл бұрын

@@erkhyanrafosa4190 interesting, I assumed Madagascar would teach this, but of course in the west it is ignored because of the other larger operations of the war which overshadow Madagascar... it's also little known [in usa where I am] that the Italian east African empire and other vichy areas in central and west Africa were also attacked, and the Japanese naval penetration of the Indian Ocean is likewise little known

Once more THG reduces my ignorance incrementally. 65yrs old and a UK subject, I knew nothing of this. Thank you sir.

@billhester8821

4 жыл бұрын

Always learning, you pommies. ...taking the mickey, my respect.

I didn't know that there was ever ANY operations conducted on Madagascar. And I like to take pride in my WW2 knowledge. So thank you for teaching me something New!

@LuvBorderCollies

4 жыл бұрын

Same here. This operation has never even been hinted at in the tons of WW2 material I've read.

@DawnOfTheDead991

4 жыл бұрын

it was no secret. Lay off the bong hits

@ronnieronson4390

4 жыл бұрын

DawnOfTheDead991 oooooohhhhh got him wow

@georgerasmutin699

4 жыл бұрын

@@ronnieronson4390 well it was called a world war for a reason..how do you not know there were skirmishes almost all over

@olly2027

4 жыл бұрын

George Rasmutin we were only taught about England and the USA duribgvww2

I have studied WW2 history for 40 years and had never heard of this event. What a fascinating account. Another great history lesson from the History Guy. Top man.

....I’m a retired Army Officer after a career spanning 32 years and 4 wars, stints at the War College, Command and General Staff College, and a second career teaching military history to Army ROTC Cadets, I wish to commend your work. Bravo, Sir, Bravo. The content of this channel continually amazes me, something not too easy to do at my age...

Great video about a little-known story! Just wanted to mention that it’s “RAMillies” . One of her 15” guns is mounted outside the Imperial War Museum in London, and her ship’s bell is housed at the HMCS Star naval reserve unit in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada, next to HMCS Haida.

My Dad's younger brother Noel was in Madagascar. He later went to the Western Desert and then Italy. He was with the South African Signals.

@alisdairmclean8605

2 ай бұрын

My uncle was in Madagascar (Royal Scots Fusiliers). He later went on the serve in the Burma campaign.

"Disturbances in the town, out of all proportion to their numbers"... apt description of just about all marines. Fascinating presentation of an event I had never heard of before. Thank you!

Can I thank You for posting this episode of History Guy, It means a lot to me as my Grandfather was on the HMS Ramillies and was one of the few men who was injured during that attack on the ship, I always remember him saying that if it wasn't for "Millie" he would be making my grandmother a widow and that my mum would have never been born and that I wouldn't be here to listen to his tall war yarns.

Excellent episode. Was not aware of this action at all. Thank you.

The allies won only because they were helped by the lemur resistance forces under the command of king Julian. Another great video by the way, as always. Perhaps the allied invasion of Persia can be another good topic for discussion.

@frankanderson5012

4 жыл бұрын

Sor Alb Only because??? Little bit of an exaggeration don’t you think?

@benjaminsinnott9353

4 жыл бұрын

Sor Alb bruh king Julian is from the movie from Madagascar, not real life

@Peoples_Republic_of_Devonshire

4 жыл бұрын

@@benjaminsinnott9353 yeah no shit. He's making a joke you spud

@tygrkhat4087

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, the invasion of Iran or Persia is story that needs to be remembered as the only joint operation of the British, Americans and Russians.

@LuziannaMann

3 жыл бұрын

thesexybadger dude... seriously?

Those submarines don't appreciate being called "midget", it's vertically challenged thank-you.

@TheHistoryGuyChannel

4 жыл бұрын

For submarines, that would be more horizontally challenged.

@jamestheotherone742

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheHistoryGuyChannel Heh. If you've ever seen how small they are inside, its both. "Volumetrically challenged"?

@nautifella

4 жыл бұрын

​@@jamestheotherone742: Can Confirm, Am Bubblehead.

@voiceofraisin3778

4 жыл бұрын

Submarine of restricted displacement?

@johnknapp952

4 жыл бұрын

You're an "Insignificantly Small but Troublesome Sub" . There, do you feel better now!

I've read every book I could find on The Second World War and nary a one had mentioned this operation. Thanks for bringing it to light.

From my youth I have fond memories of my grandfather listening to Paul Harvey as we drove in his work truck. Collecting and delivering eggs throughout the rural Midwest leads to many boring hours on the road. At the time Mr. Harvey would fill those hours and enlighten us with "the rest of the story". "History that deserves to be remembered" now holds that same familiar and welcome tone that Paul provided in my youth. I wish I could spend some time listening to both of these fine story tellers with my grandfather just once after all these years. He would surely have enjoy it as much as I enjoy it now. You are an important and needed media personality on par with Mr. Harvey. Thank you.

@TheHistoryGuyChannel

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you, I am always very flattered by that comparison. Listening to Paul Harvey was also an influential part of my youth.

This is amazing. In just about every history I've ever read on WW2 I never once came across any reference to Madagascar or the Allied effort to take it. And yet in hindsight it makes perfect sense. I consider myself a history buff but this was a surprise. Learn something new every day. Thank you!

The Fairey Swordfish keeps popping up in history as the best obsolete attack plane ever, always punching way above its weight class.

@richardlinter4111

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly. It was so slow it turned that into a virtue. It flew so low the German AA couldn't depress low enough. And so on.

@tomhaskett5161

4 жыл бұрын

To drop the torpedo, it had to fly low and slow, maybe 90 knots. The Axis AA predictors were geared for faster planes, so could not track them accurately. Also, fabric covered planes could sometimes take more damage than metal-skinned aircraft.

@richardlinter4111

4 жыл бұрын

@@tomhaskett5161 : Precisely. This was not an isolated phenomenon. The obsolete doped fabric skin for example is one of the reasons Hurricanes did so well against German ordnance.

@anorthernsoul5600

4 жыл бұрын

Swordfish operating at night from Malta sank over a million and a half tons of enemy shipping with very few losses. Now that is impressive in anyone's book. Aircrew who flew the stringbag said it could do over a 100 knots going downhill!

@richardlinter4111

4 жыл бұрын

Dear @@anorthernsoul5600 : Yes. The key phrase there is "At Night". Even dropping star flares they were hard to spot. For their Taranto raid, they were still nearly invisible to the defenders who shot nearly twenty thousand cannon rounds but shot down only two of them!

Another great video. An idea for a future episode, the second battle of Sabine Pass, September 1863. How just 47 Irish rebels stopped the amphibious invasion of Texas by the Union Navy and Army. Also the only occasion the Confederate government approved the awarding of medals for bravery.

My Dad was in India during WW2 in the China Burma Theater . Commanded by Vinegar Joe Stilwell . I'm always interested in this little known part of WW2 . Thank you !

Thank you for keeping history alive!

Great video as always, History Guy!

Love these videos, keep it up History Guy! You make great content, that deserves to be remembered!

one of the best channels out there.

Another top quality episode. Thanks.

British and Vichy and Japanese, all at once?? Really, this is history I didn't know! One of the aspects of WWII that seems under-appreciated is how the Allies, first the British and then Anglo-Americans together, really were in a sporadic, although sometimes vicious, undeclared war with Vichy almost from the moment the French signed their armistice with Germany. You might want to do a video on the Syrian Campaign, which hardly anyone remembers. Good video.

@bbbabrock

4 жыл бұрын

@colin minhinnick Yep. Not to belittle the sacrifices of some anti-Nazi French, but I have heard of German NAZIS who were taken aback by the anti-semitism of some French collaborators. And I have heard Steven Ambrose opine on how France ought to be considered one of the NAZI powers more so than an allied power.

@richardlinter4111

4 жыл бұрын

@@bbbabrock : The Brits took the view that the terms of their pre-war alliance with the French prevented either party from seeking a separate peace. That is why de Gaulle could claim to be the legitimate governer of both Metropolitan France and its colonies. It is also why the Germans could not arbitrarily shoot his troops when taken prisoner.

@gdutfulkbhh7537

5 ай бұрын

France was humiliated by the Nazis in 1940, but the subsequent actions of the Vichy regime are what they should really be ashamed of. In Europe, it's not been fashionable to teach or study this shameful period.

Can't wait for your video at the Tank Museum HG.

@TheHistoryGuyChannel

4 жыл бұрын

The museum tells me that our episode of Top 5 Tanks will air in September or October.

You continue to both entertain and inform. Bit by bit, the gaps in my knowledge are being grouted in, and I thank you.

Thanks THG, this history is so forgotten most people (myself included) have never heard of it until today! History that deserves to be remembered (and there's much of it) needs to be taught. Thank you, again, for today's memorable lesson. /:-)

Another good one. Have you read "England's Last War Against France"? Not only Madagascar, but Syria and Lebanon.

Hey there History Guy, I really enjoy your channel! I’d really love to see you do a segment on SOSUS and it’s use throughout the Cold War, locating Soviet and other submarine threats. It’s history that deserves to be remembered. Not very many people ever heard about it.

@richardlinter4111

4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely agree.

What a great video! Thanks History Guy!

This was excellent HG! I have read an awful lot of WW-2 history but I had not previously been aware of the campaign for Madagascar. Bravo!

I'm still waiting on a video to cover the history of The History Guy!! I have no issues waiting though because I absolutely love all of your videos, and I know it's going to be the best one yet! :D

@TheHistoryGuyChannel

4 жыл бұрын

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@orwellboy1958

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheHistoryGuyChannel what an excellent read. Great picture of you as a ranger.

Some additional Forgotten History; 1) The Burma Road 2) The Hump 3) Battle of Imphal 4) 5307th Composite Unit (Provisional)

@Dave_Sisson

4 жыл бұрын

The true WW2 story I most want to see is Australian ski troops fighting the French in Lebanon.

@georgerasmutin699

4 жыл бұрын

Got to love the way history is reduced to black and white or good and evil it's always more messy

@mikelatham146

4 жыл бұрын

John Rodrigues yes my father was in Merrill’s Marauders I would love to know more about the truth

@commando4481

4 жыл бұрын

mike latham your dad is hero

@maddyg3208

4 жыл бұрын

I think THG already did Imphal

Thank You for your most excellent Y T channel.

This may not have been the most interesting topic you have ever covered but for some reason the flow of this episode was one of your best. Always love to see new content. You help me fulfill and old adage "Never become so much of an expert that you stop gaining expertise. View life as a continuous learning experience."

Now THIS is forgotten history!

Great work History Guy! if you want to do a story on forgotten "Indian Ocean Theater of War" do one on the HMAS Sydney, thanks for uploading :)

@williestyle35

4 жыл бұрын

The HMAS Sydney has gotten some coverage ..

@Clintreid75

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks williestyle35 I'll keep an eye out for it :)

Superb as usual. The History Guy is always worth watching. This video delighted this South African.

Madagascar was my favorite place in the world when I was a kid (60s). I remember seeing a PBS special that showed most of the animals and plants that could be found no where else in the world. I had no idea it was involved in WWII. It is a sin what has become of it, unfortunately that can be said of many places on Earth. Hello Brazil.

Watching from South Africa🇿🇦, thank you for this content.

A less known invasion in WW2. Glad that you made a video on it

Excellent episode! This is a great example if why THG is the best channel on KZread.

I definitely enjoy your videos. Especially, ones like this about WWII. My Grandfather fought and thankfully survived the war but he was wounded a couple of times, including a bayonet wound and he also had shrapnel in his leg for the rest of his life.

Love your videos!! Can you do one on the Batavia? (I’m from Western Australia)

Great Video. May i reccomend you do a video on the attack on drvar (desant na drvar).

Well done. A topic that we read of but don’t really study. Now, we have your excellent program.

I don’t know how you don’t have more than 1 million subscribers. This content is awesome 👏. Subscribed 👍🏼

Always excellent. How about something we could all appreciate, a discussion of the roots of the federal reserve and how it was started in 1913.

@Tenkai917

4 жыл бұрын

You mean that bankster organization that makes "money" out of thin air and loans it to the government at usurious interest rates while said government increases taxation (both direct and indirect) on its citizens in a futile attempt to keep its massive snowballing debt under control? Yeah, I'd like to know more.

@NoGreedSeeds

4 жыл бұрын

Stephen Malturin - Something I read years ago was very informative, the web of debt, by Ellen brown. Hard to believe.

Excellent presentation on a little-covered aspect of WW2. However, my magpie mind kept fixating on the fact that your tie seemed off-center! I need to be less OCD.

Love these brief, informative presentations. So well researched. Thank you very much 😊.

Wow! Thank you History Guy for teaching me about something of which I knew nothing when I woke this morning. This is the lesson I tell my daughters every chance I get. From a Navy veteran of 26 years, "hand salute!"

The little logo in the bottom right looks more like it says "THC", which is fitting cause these videos are dope.

@jimmyyu2184

4 жыл бұрын

ROFLMAS... Time to change that logo font... =))

I knew a guy that served in the India-Burma-China Theater. He was US Army. You're right, it is a forgotten part of WW2.

@WALTERBROADDUS

4 жыл бұрын

Forgotten? Try US. Marines in Iceland.

@Mondo762

4 жыл бұрын

My father-in-law was Army Air Corps and he served on Iceland during WW2. If you want forgotten, try US ARMY on New Guinea.

@johnballs1352

4 жыл бұрын

@@Mondo762 You want forgotten? Try US troops on Venus. Yeah, bet you didn't know that now did ya?

@richardlinter4111

4 жыл бұрын

Merrill's Marauders are still remembered by the old Empire.

@amitrawat588

3 жыл бұрын

US Army in India?

Your presentation style, tone and tenor are simply outstanding. I was telling a story the other day and realized I was imitating you. Very well done, sir.

Fascinating as always! Thanks for the glimpse into forgotten corners of the Second World War. May we never see a third one!

Excellent episode, as usual! Incidentally, "quay" is pronounced "key."

@heartsparkdollar

4 жыл бұрын

Depends on which side of Atlantic you happen to be on

@nastybastardatlive

4 жыл бұрын

Both are correct.

@docclabo6350

4 жыл бұрын

@@heartsparkdollar "Key" is preferred (for lack of a better term) on both sides of the pond. In other words, it is listed first in both American and British dictionaries.

@heartsparkdollar

4 жыл бұрын

@@docclabo6350 That may be true, but for the 6 years I spent in the Navy, it was "qway" wall sentry duty.

@gerza71

4 жыл бұрын

At home we have a Quay St pronounce as 'Key''.

Asking a question not about this episode sorry but was curious if you and Mrs. History guy ever been to the world war one museum in Kansas city Missouri? I found it beautiful.

@TheHistoryGuyChannel

4 жыл бұрын

Yes we have. They have a great collection!

Great as always!

Yet another great war story hardly ever told, many thanks History Guy.

Love your stuff, just a friendly tip: “Quay” is pronounced “Key”

@barbatvs8959

4 жыл бұрын

Does that mean that "Key" is pronounced "Quay"? "Honey! Have you seen my quays?" :-)

Fighting France to free France. History is fascinating.

@brentzthompson7621

4 жыл бұрын

Ironic.

@stevek8829

4 жыл бұрын

They needed their navy blown up and their forces attacked in north Africa. They didn't want to be liberated.

@richardlinter4111

4 жыл бұрын

@@stevek8829 : Funny thing is that most of the bitter fighting in North Africa was between Frenchmen. In particular, de Gaulle's Free French lost of the lot of the early engagements with Vichy, especially at Dakar.

Another great episode. You have found a great niche that is enjoyable for history buffs!

Never heard of this campaign! Thanks so much for bringing this to light. Most interesting! I very much enjoy your stories!

I had no idea that Madagaskar was part of the wwii theater. Wow.

@Acin75

4 жыл бұрын

@Mitch Paul hä???

@Chino56751

4 жыл бұрын

I did. It would've been a much better setting for the next COD title, rather than the emo " reboot " we're getting

@seanjoseph8637

4 жыл бұрын

It was called a World War for a reason.

I had never heard of the invasion of Madagascar, it sounds almost like a joke for some reason but no...interesting story, thanks.

Most Excellent. Thankyou very much for a very interesting slice of needed History!

Loved learning about this!

One should remember the six P's, Proper Planing Prevents Piss Poor Performance.

@stewartmackinlay7072

4 жыл бұрын

7 P's actually. Prior Preparation and Planning Prevent a Piss Poor Performance

Learned something new, thanks! The most interesting part for me was not only did France capitulate fairly quickly, they actually fought for the other side against the allies! Never knew that part.

@Matt.71

4 жыл бұрын

It's the allies that attacked them, not the contrary

@greggvandenbosch8230

4 жыл бұрын

@@Matt.71 understood, but my mother grew up in the Netherlands at the same time, and even though they were overtaken by the Germans, they fought like hell to subvert their agenda however they could at the risk of their lives. I just thought the French would have done the same. But no. It would have been quite easy to give up to the allies, or at least "fight" half-heartedly.

@Matt.71

4 жыл бұрын

@@greggvandenbosch8230 the british not only doomed the defence of france by retreating without warning anyone but kept attacking france in the years 40-41-42, after mers el kébirs happened and 1200 french sailors got killed by the RN you would understand that france felt a little bit betrayed and refused to fight with the brits... , yes only the brits, there was no cooperation problem between the FFF and US army dont forget that france still killed 65000 germans and italians and destroyed half of all tanks the germans had and 1/4 of their planes

@Matt.71

4 жыл бұрын

@@greggvandenbosch8230 kzread.info/dash/bejne/lIpmy86Jk823j7A.html

@Matt.71

4 жыл бұрын

the little play at the beginning explains a bit what happened in 40

A most excellent subject matter, thank you for posting.

Great video, Thanks!

Back when "we've only got 2 aircraft carriers, an old battleship and 22 destroyers" meant resource constrained... 😳

@jamestheotherone742

4 жыл бұрын

That's pretty much the entire Royal Navy at this point isn't it? Oh wait, can't even muster a battleship unless they sortie HMS Victory...

@MostlyPennyCat

4 жыл бұрын

@@jamestheotherone742 It's so fucking stupid. The Type 45 is the best air defence destroyer in the world. And we cut the build to six. _six_ Why did we even bother? All in pursuit of the almighty tax cut. Morons.

@MostlyPennyCat

4 жыл бұрын

@Brandon Well I'm not gonna lie, I bet some people wish we could send half a dozen frigates to the straight of Hormuz right now. But the answer is no one. We don't need it. I was just marveling at the scale of it all. They could only spare 22 destroyers. And some cruisers, a battleship and an aircraft carrier. Did you know at certain point, Britain out produced the Soviets AND the Germans in tanks. Both of them. The scale is just bonkers.

@richardlinter4111

4 жыл бұрын

@@MostlyPennyCat : Grand Admiral Raeder complained that at the outbreak of war the Royal Navy had eighty (!) destroyers just for the defence of the British Isles, outnumbering those of the Kriegsmarine by an order of magnitude. And the USA constructed 175 Fletcher-class destroyers alone, during the war.

@MostlyPennyCat

4 жыл бұрын

@@richardlinter4111 Fucking bananas isn't it? It takes us (the West) years to build a destroyer these days. America built 50 Casablanca class escort carriers. FIFTY. The British finished the war with 553 combat ships.

Thanks! Never heard of this. It makes me so sad every time I hear of French troops killing allied forces.

@khaccanhle1930

4 жыл бұрын

You're not sad of British navy killing French sailors unprovoked?

@rudolfabelin383

4 жыл бұрын

@@khaccanhle1930 I do feel sorry for the french sailors killed, the problem was in the treason of the Vichy government. Making these sailors fight on the Nazi side.

@khaccanhle1930

4 жыл бұрын

@@rudolfabelin383 They were defeated in war and had to sign a peace treaty with Germany. Seems pretty reasonable to me. Finland fought with Germany, no one gives them grief over it.

@rudolfabelin383

4 жыл бұрын

@@khaccanhle1930 Very interesting. A friend of my father flew on the Finnish side 1940. Well the allies was not really there for Finland...... After the war the Communists stole part of Finlands territory. If you have not seen "World War Two" on KZread, it is very good. Here is a link to the first episode (1:st September 1939): kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZWF1k8mPnZy6YKQ.html

@richardlinter4111

4 жыл бұрын

@@khaccanhle1930 : Hardly unprovoked. Not without notice. And the Brits would have been most happy if no-one died. The only things which had to sink were the steel ships.

Wow! Learning something new everyday. Thank you.

nicely done as usual. Thank you......your research of your subject is the "quay" to your success....

I was aware of this operation but not of the details so many thanks for that. The Vichy forces may have held out longer then those of France in 1940 but the forces in France were very much hamstrung by political interference. This came about before the war when the French government was in fear of a military coup and because of this had put an excessive constants on the French Army. This resulted in commanding officers not carrying out orders until they had a copy of those orders in hand. Because of this the Germans were able to exploit situations much quicker then the French. A couple of quick corrections. Quay is pronounced key. I dare say quay was originally pronounced as you did but over time it has changed to key. And HMS Ramillies is pronounced Ram i lees. I hope you do not mind me correcting them, after all we are all here to learn. And I am sure there are American placenames I would get wrong.

@waynevreeland3141

4 жыл бұрын

Indeed. Want some fun? Grab an atlas of Wisconsin and have a fit trying to pronounce any of the random piles of vowels in half of the states town names !!!

@fainitesbarley2245

4 жыл бұрын

The French had also concentrated almost entirely on defence and their generals were paralysed when the Germans broke through. It was touch and go whether France could be considered an ally. The great majority of French troops evacuated at Dunquerque asked to be repatriated to France rather than join the Free French who were tiny at the time.

@bazza945

4 жыл бұрын

Miss-iss-ippi ?

It must be difficult to come up with “new” history! No pun intended.

@TheHistoryGuyChannel

4 жыл бұрын

Not at all- I cannot imagine running out of topics.

@Holammer

4 жыл бұрын

A few months ago I read a Swedish newspaper from 1881'ish detailing a foiled attempt to massacre British colonials in an Indian province. They meant to attack during Sunday mass, but postponed the attack several times due to rain before the plot was found out.That's an interesting story that I never heard of at all, and that's all it takes. Just open a old book or newspaper and you have material for a YT show like this.

@andrewwaterman9240

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheHistoryGuyChannel Today's current events are tomorrow's forgotten history. You'll be busy for a while yet...

Many thanks for this entertaining episode 😃👏👏👏

Let's go people we need to spread the word about The History Guy and get him over 500k subs. Another great video, sir.🙂

Could you possibly do a video of the French foreign Legion during World War II? What were they tasked with, did they have a part in it due to the French armistice agreement with Germany?

@eddieb7054

4 жыл бұрын

I agree. Have heard stories that the Legion fought on both sides.

@stevek8829

4 жыл бұрын

I've read the Foreign Legion actually fought each other in north Africa.

@overanDownUnder

4 жыл бұрын

I’ve read the same thing. But an episode on it, would be awesome.

@shadowling77777

4 жыл бұрын

Steve K Interesting

@theuglyfriend

4 жыл бұрын

Steve K North Africa and Syria. There’s a great book about a man from the Boston area who fought for the legion during WW2 and after the war found the beginnings of the CIA. He died not to long ago.

After what happened at MERS El kebir can anyone really blame the attitude of the Vichy government towards the allied powers especially great Britain

@davidfreeman3083

4 жыл бұрын

True. Very true. And thanks for typing the name out. Tbh their attitude towards the US was way better. The operation Torch mentioned in the video, that frankly started directly 'after' the Madagascar campaign, was a very different story. Except for Casablanca, Allies literally didn't really release too many ammunition before like a dozen Vichy officials immediately surrendered and declared war against the Axis, de facto restoring a pro-allied France as a legitimate power. After less than a week nearly all French colonies (except for the Indochina which was under heavy Japanese control, or I should say most of Africa), including even Dakar which de Gaulle had a hard time getting it from Vichy, immediately switched sides to fight against the Nazis again. They even took part in invasion of Italy.

@richardlinter4111

4 жыл бұрын

Yes. To begin with the Vichy armistice with Germany violated an earlier treaty forbidding a separate peace. Second, the British ultimatum did not demand their surrender - only that the capital ships be removed from German reach. That we can blame on one man in particular, namely Gensoul (the commanding Admiral at Mers El Kébir) who mis-informed his Vichy superiors (including Darlan) about the terms the British offered, especially the option to cross the Atlantic (to Martinique) or possibly put the naval units in safe custody of the Americans.

Awesome video dude, keep it up!

Great episode!

Was the navy of the Indian Empire used for this operation.?

@TheHistoryGuyChannel

4 жыл бұрын

No, there were no ships of the RIN involved in the invasion.

Why didn't the Vichy French forces just surrender? Weren't they really wanting Germany defeated and France liberated? I don't understand why they did not just surrender and sign up with the free French forces as soon as allied forces arrived.

@TheHistoryGuyChannel

4 жыл бұрын

Some of the French forces did. Others saw Vichy as the legitimate government and continued to serve. At Dakar the hope was that de Gualle would show up and the forces in French West Africa would join him. They did not.

@jamestheotherone742

4 жыл бұрын

Normalcy bias. The French officers couldn't believe that the nation that they had sworn loyalty to had ceased to exist and they were now receiving orders from a illegitimate puppet state. Some of them were victims of propaganda and misinformation. So they carried on as their training and tradition specified. Many of them thought that France might somehow be restored under the new regime, so did not want to jeopardize their careers (and pensions) by "rebelling".

@caw25sha

4 жыл бұрын

@@jamestheotherone742 Absolutely. Whatever and wherever they find themselves the vast majority of people just have to go with the flow whether they like it or not, assuming they even have enough information to form an opinion.

I NEVER HEARD of this! I am always amazed to discover, watching this channel, how much I did not know....

Thanks for another great bit of history. My uncle was serving on HMS Indomitable at the time of this.

The irony of the first steps to liberating France was to remove Vichy French military units from the battle field.

@williamprince1114

4 жыл бұрын

@14miki So you're opinion is the French enjoyed being occupied by the Germans? The Vichy government was popular with the French population? If that were true it would seem Petain would be a national hero with his image on stamps, money, and airports and schools named after him and DeGaulle would be considered a pejorative name. And all those crowds who welcomed the allies, all those resistance fighters who worked to assist the allies in evicting the Germans were just what in your opinion?

@williamprince1114

4 жыл бұрын

@14miki And for the record my father and uncles fought the Germans with great determination. They saw the Nazi's for what they were and wanted them stopped. My Uncle carried pictures he took of concentration camps he liberated with 3rd Army until the day he died just to shut up holocaust deniers or people who believed it couldn't happen again.

@williamprince1114

4 жыл бұрын

@14miki And as an example of French dislike for the Germans consider the French scuttles their navy at Toulon to prevent the Germans from using their vessels.

@keithrose6931

4 жыл бұрын

@@williamprince1114 French ships were sunk by the Royal Navy because the wouldn't scuttle them and were in danger of falling into German hands .

@williamprince1114

4 жыл бұрын

@@keithrose6931 Not at Toulon as I pointed out. The French navy scuttled their own vessels. Google French navy at Toulon and you will find dozens of articles detailing this act of defiance.

Shame the Vichy didn't fight the Germans as enthusiastically as they did against the allies ......

@kint87

4 жыл бұрын

French forces did a great job at fighting german invasion in 1940, in so many points, so many heroics last hope actions. Not everywhere, as on all battlefields. But doctrine and global command of the french forces was very poor, and outdated to fight the german plan. In the end, there is always someone who lose. That does not mean the loser dont fight, or be hurt Like the vietnam for the us

@jdshaman6448

4 жыл бұрын

Shame on the French! Never to be trusted.

@mikebrown3772

4 жыл бұрын

Presumably the troops in Madagascar were an all professional force under a unified command as opposed to the mixture of well trained professionals and large numbers of conscripted soldiers in the defence of France itself.

@PalleRasmussen

4 жыл бұрын

@@jdshaman6448 shame on you for being ignorant.

@austingode

4 жыл бұрын

Misterkint Yes that's all very well but the French troops evacuated from Dunkirk went back to France after the fall ..... instead of staying in Britain and fighting on ... and their bloody navy had to be sunk at oran to keep it out of German hands when they could have surrendered to the brits ..... and they fought the allies in morocco ...... the Vichy were French fascist pieces of shit ......

Must confess was unaware of the Battle of Madagascar. Thanks for the enlightenment.

Hardly anyone knows about this. Thank you for making this video.

First, my kinda content 😃 who supports this channel? Thumbs up 👍

Mr. History guy! I have another person for you to check out that almost nobody knows about. Her name is Cecilia Payne. Please check her out, I think she would make an awesome video.

@richardlinter4111

4 жыл бұрын

Would you be referring to Cecilia Payne-Gaposhkin? Because her discovery that hydrogen was the most abundant element certainly deserves to be remembered.

Thank you for your videos and time Most informative

So many things I'd like the History Guy to cover in his inimitable way. Teichborne Claimant, Alfred Beach, Charles Sturt, modern weather forecasting, and so much more... I guess he's loaded down with history stuff. Doesn't need me to pile on. Obviously I love the videos and his treatment of the subjects.

@TheHistoryGuyChannel

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Several topics added to our list.