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@robertmelcher904

6 жыл бұрын

Zelph On the Shelf my dear friend since you are an atheist, I cordially invite you to refute a syllogism titled BOOK OF MORMON DEBUNKS ATHEISM. I'm sure that all your fellow atheists would love to financially support someone who has the COURAGE to stand up for his atheistic beliefs. If you choose to ignore or to reject my invitation, it would be crystal clear to ALL YOUR FOLLOWERS that you do not believe that which you preach no pun intended. Do you accept my invitation?

@daveyjones9930

6 жыл бұрын

Why should they accept? That nonsense has been debunked LONG before Mormonism came along. The Book of Mormon debunks Mormonism!!

@robertmelcher904

6 жыл бұрын

Davey Jones you stated " why should they accept " They should accept my invitation, to prove me wrong in front of those who help suport him financially, so they know that their money is going to someone who is truly an ATHEIST, and not a charlatan mascarading as one of "them".

@robertmelcher904

6 жыл бұрын

Davey Jones you stated: "that nonsense [ theism ] has been debunked LONG before Mormonism came along" If that were true, the atheists would be the majority among the worlds population, and theism would be be nearly eradicated from the face of the Earth. 500 years ago practically all Europeans believed that the Sun revolved around the Earth. Galileo DEBUNKED that false teaching,and now practically all humanity knows for a fact, that all those Europeans who believed and taught that the Sun revolved around the Earth were wrong,thus most people around the world REJECT that foolish pseudo scientific claim. Thus, if theism "has been DEBUNKED" why are are theists still the majority of the Earth's population?

@robertmelcher904

6 жыл бұрын

Davey Jones you stated "the Book of Mormon Debunks Mormonism" I CHALLENGE YOU TO PROVE THAT STATEMENT. You see, making a claim and proving it are two completely different things. Now if you are truly an ATHEIST, why don't you fight for your beliefs by accepting my invitation to refute the syllogism titled Book of Mormon Debunks Atheism?

The greatest "anti-mormon" material there is comes straight from church sources.

"Two of Joseph's wives were twenty years his junior" is a nice of way of saying that they were 14-16 year old girls.

@franciscop.9745

7 жыл бұрын

Josh Kim He also had sister and mother daughter sets. forbidden in the Bible but it's OK for Joseph Smith. He also childishly put his name throughout the whole Bible. It's talking about Joseph in Egypt and then all of a sudden it mentions Joseph Smith of the united States. how stupid to think that that would be left out of the Bible.

@jedimormon4536

7 жыл бұрын

14? So what. In Joseph Smith's time, the legal age for marriage in New York was 14. Marriage at that age was not frowned upon in that time. My wife is a genealogist, and she has several people in her linage who were married that young. :o)

@mouthymormonmetalhea

7 жыл бұрын

So are you saying that because the idea that someone in his thirties marrying someone who is a teenager back then was ok by that society's standards, that means that it's ok? What if I told you that I had sex with a sixteen year old when I was in my late 20's? Was it also ok for Joseph Smith to use his position as prophet to promise salvation or threaten damnation if these girls said no in order to motivate their decision? According to Tom Compton's In Sacred Loneliness it was justified that a woman could leave her husband in order to get sealed to a man with higher priesthood authority in order to have better status in the celestial kingdom. And because Joseph Smith, being the prophet and holding all the keys, had the highest priesthood authority it was justified that he could have a crack at someone else's wife. Does this not sound like doctrinal justification that can lead to gross abuse of power? Joseph Smith also made some of these proposals when the girl's support network was absent and she was going through some kind of traumatic change. Is this the best time to be leveraging your authoritative position as a coercive influence to get the girl to say yes? Is this ok just because we are to believe that God commanded it, Joseph was threatened by an angel with a drawn sword, and there is no way that God's golden prophet of the restoration can do no wrong? If these circumstances happened in any other group or were perpetuated by any other person than Joseph Smith you would say "charismatic cult leader."

@gladiator8324

6 жыл бұрын

All cults cater to their fleshy lusts, polygamy, polyandry, pedophilia, power, pride, wealth, etc.

@filminginportland1654

6 жыл бұрын

Josh Kim that's what I was thinking

*tanner* : we're all part of the illuminati *me* : notices triangles on the wall lol

I escaped LDS right after my mission 25 years ago. Tried to be Christian for the last decade. When my church started a series about evil Mormonism, they convinced me that all churches were just different lies. This video nailed it when they said any argument about Mormonism can be used against Christianity as a whole.

@edwardchristopher6588

5 жыл бұрын

Not true. Can you give me an example?

By the end, this made perfect sense. I was thinking the whole way through, "How does this guy possibly think he is convincing anyone of what he's saying?" Then, as soon as he revealed the depths of his OWN doubts, it made perfect sense. He's not trying to convince someone else - he's trying to convince himself. He's slowly realizing that his worldview with which he's been programmed his whole life is crashing down around him, and his last ditch effort to try and salvage it is to convince himself that he would decline into moral turpitude without it. I genuinely hope he realizes that's not the case, because he actually seems like a good and pretty intelligent person. I was lucky; I've never experienced this crisis of faith personally - at least not with religion. Though my parents did take my brother and me to a Protestant church until I was about 12, they left and took us out when the church's choir director, who .was/is one of their best friends, was excommunicated when the pastor found out he was gay. My parents had known this all along and fully supported it, and they thankfully took this opportunity to realize that they could raise their children to be moral and empathetic people without religion, which we are, so my 'transition' to atheism was hardly a battle. But for those for whom it is, I wish the best, and want to support anyone I possibly can. Thank you guys again for another awesome video.

First of all, what Mormons call anti-Mormon are people who care enough for your souls to tell you the truth.

@daveyjones9930

6 жыл бұрын

I'm anti-Mormonism and I don't care about their souls! Their souls are in no danger. It's false beliefs (Mormonism, Scientology, Islam) that are simply a waste of precious time and money! There are better things to occupy ones mind (and pocketbook) than ANY religion.

@anthonypc1

5 жыл бұрын

Or.. care for your minds and reasonable social progress. Most atheists don’t believe we have souls or anything supernatural like that. Unless you just use that word as a metaphor for.. something. the human spirit, so to speak

@anthonypc1

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Hale just saw your comment here. wanted to ask if you know how the investigators can receive knowledge through revelation ? is there a way they can know what’s true and what’s not using this experience ?

@SteveSmith-os5bs

5 жыл бұрын

That’s a mixed bag, most anti Mormon apologist also known as evangelicals really enjoy pointing out who is going to Hell. Atheist apologists don’t believe in souls but are really in to the discovery of personal truth. As A person who still deeply believe in God but holds that all religious dogma is basil’s man made crap. I am also on a journey for personal truth. As my only point of evidence. I can reference NDEs even atheist have them. They point to all a loving God who has no interest in religiosity, the main lesson is learning to love yourself and others. Love and hate cannot exist in the same place.

@satanpuncher06

5 жыл бұрын

As well as those who understand that souls (and other magical things) don’t exist and have decided to help society and enjoy the one life we actually do get

Does seeing the parallels with Scientology help? It has helped me.

@swagner7767

5 жыл бұрын

I think so, my brother's departure from the church was much more abrupt than mine, I think because he had become interested in how scientologists and jehova's witnesses operate, and saw the similarities.

@Tammy8008

4 жыл бұрын

It was helpful in regards to understanding that I grew up with unrealistic expectations forced upon me. And seeing that the state of my mental and emotional health isn't as simple as me being overly emotional.

My mission president posted this and I read the entire thing. I just shook my head because of how single minded he was 🙄🙄🙄

@carriegrinnell1230

6 жыл бұрын

Bailey Hugo I shake my head at how single minded Mormons are

Good work guys! The concepts that you're putting forth in this video are so simple they're actually lost on a lot of TBM's because they've been taught their entire lives that they can't actually be good enough. So for you guys to say that you're atheist and totally at peace with yourselves and actually help other people, kind of blows their minds. I'll say this, there is no comparison to the moment when you realize you're atheist and you always have been and that it fits with every single experience that's happened to you in your life. You never again have to do mental gymnastics to make sense of goofy religious teachings that, in your heart, you know can't be right. Remember religion needs you, you don't need religion.

I ABSOLUTELY LOVE YOU TWO. I love your humor, intellect, and repartee. You have just the right balance (seemingly very naturally) of identifying less-than-reasonable statements (read: idiocies) using humor without resorting to blatant cruelty. From one Utah Ex-Mo to two others, keep up the good work of spreading truth and light.

Just found your channel and I LOVE you guys. Completely summarize how I feel. Having grown up with mormon family (not mormon myself), this is how I feel on so many issues.

The BOM gives me a mental wet willie compared to the sanity of Carl Sagan, Matt Dillahunty, and Christopher Hitchens.

@moxyismyname5786

5 жыл бұрын

LOL'ed at "mental wet willie"

I love how tanner makes fun of the way Sam says “battery”

The articles says, _"Perhaps with all the temptations that abound, it’s just easier not having to worry about a God who will hold us accountable for our choices."_ Yes it is easier, but not because of "temptations". It's easier because you don't have to worry about considering additional judgments or input from someone _completely irrelevant_ to any choice you make in your life. Moral choices are based, hopefully, on a rational consideration of how it will affect those _real and relevant_ people involved. _That's why!_ And honestly, that is how real life works anyways! edit: Also, in the process of trying to justify his discrimination towards gay couples, he's exposing the problems of a perfect heaven. _"...every time society allows one choice, one lifestyle, one belief to be honored above another, someone must feel dishonored. And nothing creates more anger and unrest than to be dishonored, to be respected less than your peers."_ So I can imagine a world in which I get the perfect amount of attention and praise for anything I do. I never feel dishonored and always feel accepted by everyone whom I come in contact with. In a heaven with so many people who have the ability to put themselves in another's shoes, how could envy or jealousy _not_ arise? So will there be "radical equality" in heaven? If so, then either radical equality isn't really that bad, or heaven isn't really that great. If not, then how much discomfort, inconvenience or annoyance will exist before one can no longer consider it heaven? What constitutes eternal happiness?

I rarely seek out church stuff any more, but you guys nail it so well that I always watch these.

@jedimormon7138

7 жыл бұрын

COME ON NO CONFERENCE?

@jedimormon4536

7 жыл бұрын

LOL ... I see that wanna-be (*JEDI MORMON*) is pretending to be me (JediMormon), but you can't beat the genuine article, baby!

@cdowis

7 жыл бұрын

You should report him to youtube as impersonating yourself.

@jedimormon4536

7 жыл бұрын

*"emulation is the best form of adulation."* True, and I'm not upset over someone copy-catting my KZread name. It just gives me more material for humor; i.e. "My young Padawan". :oP

Anti-mormonism = knowledge of truth. simply put. Joseph Smith was a false blasphemous prophet. I say that with non biased 100% certainty. if it were true than it would show. It is the easiest mythology to disprove simply because Joseph Smith made so many bougus claims.

Beautifully done. Thank you for putting into words the frustrations I had reading this article.

You summed it up perfectly with the first line of the video "This is going to be awful as well." Though I am quite pleased to see it was an article that actively argued against equality by calling supremacy true equality. That was a new one for me.

Just have to say you guys are doing an amazing job keep up the good work!

As a spiritual pagan, who practices wicca and general witchiness basically, I have felt more spiritual and included and loved in a church of England church, with I might add a female.vicar "gasps" than I have ever felt when I was niave enough to join the mormon cult, when I was 14, I've been inactive since being 25 I am now 33, and never been happier ❤

"There is no price on Truth." Amen. Hard to believe that not that long ago, I would have agreed with this entire article. "Dustin, see you soon." LOL

I love you two so much. This is fantastic!!

Happy New Year!

Hey you two, I have watched most of your videos and I am truly grateful for being saved from getting baptized into the Church of soul destroying lies...especially when I was at my very lowest and experiencing rock bottom through the emotional turmoil that comes during/or for me after an ectopic pregnancy...yes the missionaries used it saying I would get to raise my baby Bonnie in the afterlife...cruel right...except they turned up with a couple who were also older missionaries who had lost children themselves (although separate)...very sad, my heart when out to them as clearly they genuinely believed it themselves...mindset's get incredibly damaged during the grieving process...however I am despite saying all of the above beginning to shift back To the Catholic Church myself (I have not yet converted) but their support and kindness was for me the most authentic and loving....I haven't watched one of your video's for over a week but I wanted to say thank you. Also I know Tanner that spirituality having left one church (I was baptized/total submersion C of E in 2013, Exeter Cathedral.) can be tough...but I wanted to see if either of you have heard of The Quakers....they practice something that may be more closely aligned with what you Tanner have expressed you feel in other videos...) kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZXxkmsWyiLm_dNo.html 9 Core Quaker Beliefs...and another video about how green and politically active they are Sam...(I appreciate that this may not be your cup of tea seeing as you now consider yourself an atheist...kzread.info/dash/bejne/Z65kmbiFk9bfos4.html ....something past my intuition was prompting me to share this with you two...Peace either way.

I adore both of you so much

@jabbarhudson9512

6 жыл бұрын

Todd C hey Todd your awesome dude 😀 keep your

@jabbarhudson9512

6 жыл бұрын

Todd C keep your head up 😀

Has anyone checked out the book, "Gay Kinky Mormon"? I just started reading it. It is pretty revealing about the Mormon Church and the way it makes people feel guilt.

Good points as usual, love this series!

Most of us refuse to even have a discussion with Justin (too primitive). Equality is not enough today; marginalized and oppressed people groups don't want equality, we want equity! Mormonism is not only wrong because it isn't true; it is primarily wrong because it is a systemic solidification of non equity.

I love you guys. Much Love to you guys. Its so funny when i ask bishops about blacks and the priesthood they dont know what to. To is one crazy cult.

I absolutely love you guys. Thank you for your very light humor. I love the fact you don't take any of the negative posts too serious. Wise life's too short. God bless you both

What a great video, I love the end where you speak to the author about how you recognize where he is at. Very powerful.

Instead of attacking straw men, the apologists should try to convince you of their position. But they would rather rant about ideas that no one holds and make false accusations of others.

I love and respect both of these amazing, intellectual, giants of atheism here in Utah. However, i did feel a somethin' when sam in exasperation said, "urgh, its so long Tanner!" 😂 I'm immature, i know but seriously. I love everything about Sam. Sincerely a lesbian fan ;)

Okay are we gonna talk about how Tanner really just spewed gold at the end there. That was so beautiful. God y’alls minds are amazing

i missed you guys

@ZelphOntheShelf

7 жыл бұрын

Robin Clonts 💜💜💜

Love what you guys do! Keep it up

I bough a new house. An angel appeared to me and told me there was a book of golden plates hidden in my attic . He said the plates were a revised update to the plates Jophet Smith got. I tried to read them but unfortunately i do not have the magic specitals Jophet Smith had. If anybody know where i can get them let me know and I will fulfill mormonic future. Seer stones would be a help as well, don't worry about the hat I have one.

Watching this helps strengthen my "REVERSE testimony" of mormonism. Apart from watching uploads such as these though, I stand in front of the mirror each day, and repeat the following: "I know Joseph Smith was a FALSE prophet and the Book of Mormon is a product of the 19th century." It feels energising and wonderful when I do this, and I also get that wonderful spiritual witness that the mormons promise...but never happens. Words cannot do justice to how great this feels. Most anti mormons do NOT receive, or seek such a spiritual witness as they rely ONLY on evidence, reason , careful research and common sense. However, having spiritual experiences as an anti mormon, is a wonderful bonus for a few of us.

@dodgerdave777channel

6 жыл бұрын

David Holdstock I think that was a technique advocated by Elder christofferson wasn't it I'm pretty sure I saw that in like the Seminary teachers manual what I was doing a video on it recently saying something like tape record yourself reading the Joseph Smith story testimony and listen to it and tell it you believe it I'm like you got to be stinking kidding me how is it that somebody doesn't realize what that is the actual words were a little different at the end something like it will facilitate the spirit testifying to you I'm like how can anybody be so mind-wash not to realize that this is mind washing

Hey Tanner & Samantha, (1) Keep up the good work. So I must know...who did the Mormon Lip Reading clip? It's brilliant. I've been laughing off & on all day. (2) Like you, I've been examining new ways to experience spirituality and searching for new beliefs that are actually supportable. I'd like to share a couple of stirring ideas/perspectives that I've found during my journey. Let me know if you're interested; if so I'll send you the dixie-cup version to begin with.

@ZelphOntheShelf

7 жыл бұрын

Rusty Schackleford Definitely! Send us the file through a message on our FB page. Or just paste it, whatever works. :)

I love y'all so much. As a convert, I relate to you Tanner about your search for truth. I would love to connect with you. Thanks for your videos

@ZelphOntheShelf

7 жыл бұрын

Maximizing Your Fullest Potential / Michael Friant Samantha is the convert!

@cerebralpalsytriumphsstrug7810

7 жыл бұрын

I'm saying as a convert myself.

@cerebralpalsytriumphsstrug7810

7 жыл бұрын

I fell in love with y'all through the Mormonism and me video by Tanner. So beautifully stated. Especially when you described how you just wanted truth and not the whitewashed story they present.

Great Video. That was one of the worst of his recent articles. So terrible.

SEE YOU SOON, DUSTIN

Great video guys. Can you do a comparison between reading church essays and Neo discovering the Matrix? :) That would be interesting.

Normally I've watched your entire presentations on this one this is like the second time I've just dropped in on a little bit of it I'm feeling a little abstract if I'd I'm wondering if en Theo gens recommended 2 hours before tuning in? I'm loving the effects of voice to text right now it's a little too frustrating at times I do love the way you to think and share honestly what your checking out

I love the gentle correction the innocence and the nice recovery on the silent T in tarot card

6:40 WooHOOO! :D hey you guys are fun Just saw you in my recommended.

LMFAO!! While playing Trivia Crack, got a question about what drinks do Mormons not drink while watching this video, thanks for the answer :D

I liked the doTERRA comparison!!! LOL

Bro, You are a damn good rapper. And you truly flow free style. Much love to you guys.

@ZelphOntheShelf

7 жыл бұрын

steve Snipes thanks man!

So much respect for you two

I want to hear more about Tanner's tarot card thoughts!

Really enjoyed this video guys! Not only did I laugh but I could really relate. I recently had a faith crisis in Mormonism and I feel like I'm really starting to enjoy life! Thanks

@gunnerlawts

7 жыл бұрын

If you study the parable of the sower, you will notice that it gives the various ways of having a faith crisis from the true church, but that it doesn't say that the participants converse with each other and congratulate one another. This doesn't men they don't do it, and you have proven they do - nothing more.

@jaksfl

7 жыл бұрын

Eric Lawton If you actually study and follow Christ's teachings you will see the error in your view. All the best

@gunnerlawts

7 жыл бұрын

My view was that the parable didn't say that the pissweak failures would compliment each other. Now, I don't care how much anyone studies Christ's teachings, they will not see any error in that. You are welcome to point one out, if that's your opinion, but I am certain you are just a bozo who is pissin in my ear, and I won't get a thing from you. As for following Christ's teachings, that will not point out an error where no error exists. Tell me? One who has been LDS, - did you join because we weren't following Christ's teachings? Now, of the 50,000 sects that pretend to teach Christ's teachings, which is it that has changed your mind? Why didn't you go there first? What teachings are right in yours and wrong in ours? Finally, why does a Christian compliment someone who is preaching atheism? Apart from it being plainly stupid, it does meet Satan's standard of anything is good, just as long as it opposes Mormonism. Yes, even Christians support atheists. The poof David Holdstock is just the same. That Little in your name stands for little sense.

@ElderJoseph

7 жыл бұрын

" Finally, why does a Christian compliment someone who is preaching atheism? " The biblical God is an athiest. He doesn't believe in any Gods or having a God himself. Isaiah 45:5 "I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me:" .................................................................................................. He also says that you have no chance of being a God either, declaring his Athiesm to be eternal and unchangeable.......... Isaiah 45:5 "Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me."

@gunnerlawts

7 жыл бұрын

You really are an idiot. If the biblical God says there are no others besides Him, then He can't be an atheist - He has to believe even He is not a God for that to be true. Your take on Isaiah is dependent on conditions after death, and God was speaking to the living about their current conditions. While this world continues with mortals on it, there are no real Gods but the one true God. However, it doesn't mean in another realm and time there are not multiple Gods. As His children, we are capable of being just like He is. You really are an idiot.

Love this, but the sound cuts out and becomes really quiet right when you change batteries...

@ZelphOntheShelf

7 жыл бұрын

lsun5322 We had to switch to an iPhone halfway through because we couldn't find our other equipment :/ So turn it up at that point, anyone else!

Ah, I love you guys.

I like how basically his argument is “I have no justification for Mormonism’s crap, so I’ll just make atheism seem worse.”

Oh I saw this article, its literal cancer and killed me inside a little

Why does leaving Mormonism automatically mean losing God altogether? Isn't is possible to think critically for one's self, read the Bible, and find a deep connection with the Creator of the Universe? Isn't it evident that there is "Intelligent Design?" Not feeling based, BUT evidence based!!! God is still real. Right? Do you ever think that you both are loved and cared for by a God is who NOT a bully?

@dawnkatz8452

7 жыл бұрын

JEM Seven, what you just pointed out is exactly why LDS is a cult. Jesus is how we receive salvation, not a church... God is the relationship, NOT any church. So back to my question: dump the self-serving church. But keep God. We all need a relationship with the divine. There are so many benefits of being in relationship with the Creator. Why can't really fine Mormons like these two FIND their faith in Scripture taught by a Bible-honoring church?

@dawnkatz8452

7 жыл бұрын

JEM Seven, your compassionate insight impresses me. It's like becoming a man-bashing feminist because the ex-husband was a lying, adulterous, abuser. One a$$hole is not an accurate statistical sampling of half the human population... I hate that ex-Mormons lose Jesus. I hate that ex-Mormons lose their salvation. I hate that ex-Mormons lose the knowledge of All Powerful God's all powerful love for them. I hate that ex-Mormons lose. Period. They succeed in leaving the lie, but fail to keep traveling to the destination of TRUTH. If I was satan, counterfeit religious cults (like LDS and Islam) would be my top strategy for ruining eternity for billions of people made in the image of God.

@ApoIogeticsMan

6 жыл бұрын

Mormonism did not exist until 1830, people followed and lived for Jesus before that, so it does not.

@LordofFullmetal

5 жыл бұрын

It's NOT evidence based though. You're still lying to yourself. There's NO evidence of intelligent design that hasn't been debunked if you actually go out and do the research from an objective point of view, rather than just ignoring the stuff you don't like. The short answer to your question, as proven IN your own comment, is NO. It's apparently NOT possible to be religious and think critically. You just proved that by claiming that intelligent design is in any way evidence based.

i used to be in the church but they lied so much so i left

@adamjohnson5967

6 жыл бұрын

Joe Stark first and foremost the church is considered perfect, its members are not. You cannot realistically expect a church run by humans to be 100% perfect. Has the church made mistakes, yes. Do those mistakes make the church any less true, no. Critics of the church ignorantly believe that it is the responsibility of the church to educate its members on the entirety of church history. The purpose of Sunday worship services is to teach the thing that will bring us closer to Christ. Anything else is up to the individual member to learn. The information is easily accessible, but not everything you find is accurate.

@johnmb69

6 жыл бұрын

Interestingly enough, everything you said here is echoed by apologists for the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Churches - both of which have a far more impressive pedigree in Christian history than the LDS Church.

@ApolloTheDerg

5 жыл бұрын

Adam Johnson Ignorance? The church itself is loaded with ignorance, double standards, and cult controlling aspects. Do people raised in the church really have a testimony when they spend their entire life programmed to say it? The amount of cover ups, misinformation, and alternate histories just blow my mind. I was raised in the church, and I know far more about the truth looking at it from the outside then I ever did on the inside. So much time was spent talking about Joseph smiths history, yet they completely left out the massive list of things that he did, and his inherit scamming nature. A vast majority of the churches members are completely unaware of these things, and that’s lying by omission. People bear testimonies on half assed information, and that just makes me laugh. The church claims to value the truth, that it take criticism from ex Mormons, and is about living Christ like. These are all blatant lies, the church actively hides the truth, ignored ex Mormons, and is taking action against its own members who call them out for being un Christ like, especially with John Dehlin and Sam Young who are trying to protect children and members who have struggles. Sam will most likely be Excommunicated tomorrow for trying to protect the children, being inspired by Christ. John is trying to reduce the suicide rate of youth in the Mormon church, and he was excommunicated. The church and it’s disallowance of black people in history was proven to be a lie, and I can tell you with certainty that the restriction of gay people from being members is just an arbitrary rule set by bigoted clergy that is being upheld until they waver like they did with the racial problems. Doubling down is a solid reason for Utah’s youth suicide rate being so high, and it is extremely un Christlike to destroy families, create apostates out of people who had no choice, and destroying the lives of many who realize this later on. The church is shrouded by layers of ignorance, my family alone block out any outside influence to maintain a strong faith. This is a cult, and that is a prime example of a person being controlled by a cult. They are sexually repressed until they fulfill a church marriage, they have to wear garments, they must pay 10% of their income, and if you fail to do any of these things you are threatened with your damnation for eternity in outer darkness. This is a cult! Until you can objectively look at the reality of the situation, and realize that spiritual feeling is being used as a control mechanism (I get that “holy ghost still small voice” feeling when thinking about pornography and drinking, it is nothing more then a feeling). When the foundations of your faith hinge on feelings, one sided history, and the so called revelations given by man, it has a foundation of sand. When put under the microscope, it is exposed and cannot stand up to its own weight. If you cannot see this, you are not objectively thinking, or lack the comprehension to do so. It is not easy when you spend your whole life programmed by a cult.

@kennethd.9436

5 жыл бұрын

The BOM gives me a mental wet willie compared to the sanity of Carl Sagan, Matt Dillahunty, and Christopher Hitchens.

commenting for support

You even say "shit" better than us, Sam!

I love that the author gets sooooo close to understanding atheism and egalitarianism and then he just flops back onto his cult as it is the only thing he has.

@bowrudder899

7 жыл бұрын

Mormons have long seemed to me to be a hair's breadth from atheism since it doesn't rely on faith in God and his character so much as your own personal testimony, an experience. When that goes, the whole thing comes down. Mormons who have a love for the Bible seem to fare better coming out faith-wise.

10:05 really love this point. The joy of the religious story/lesson and debunking it all… it’s truly a strange and wonderful middle ground

when I became an atheist, i didn’t know how much fun “sin” was... now i’m a big old SINner, but lord almighty am I having fun!!! 💚

so cute how nervous sam is in this video. idk if she's more comfortable on camera now or just better at hiding her nerves but regardless SAMANTHA ur doing amazing sweetie !!!!!!!!!!!!!! uwu

@ZelphOntheShelf

4 жыл бұрын

Omg THANK YOU!!!! I think I was just more depressed here?! Can’t fully remember!!

@bsendall5996

4 жыл бұрын

@@ZelphOntheShelf well if that ain't a mood. glad you're less depressed these days!!! regardless of the reason it's great to see how you've evolved in your work. ily!!!

The reference to Presbyterianism is because Joseph smith specifically pointed that denomination as particularly evil.

Nice to see Sam with my hair color, I’ve been super envious of her current color, but she is gorgeous either way.

I value truth above everything else. This is a blessing, because truth will indeed set "anyone" free. Seeking truth above all else is in fact the way out of mormonism. (out and free)

As food for thought you know mind control is used on a lot more of us than just in a religious context to get us to reject certain ideas immediately I would say that mind control used within Mormonism is a microcosm especially considering the network relationship between some of the top brethren in LDS ink and other powerful people in the world

We have learned through sad experience that when anyone uses the word profound in church we're about to get hit with a load of b******* that's probably double true on a high Council Sunday

@dodgerdave777channel

6 жыл бұрын

Since the word profound has been introduced into the conversation I think I'll ask a really profound question which is is it necessary for one to live in Utah or to have Pioneer Heritage to use the term" and whatnot"??

@dodgerdave777channel

6 жыл бұрын

Another philosophical question do you think I should feel rejected now that I've been excommunicated from three different subreddits having to do with Mormonism including LDS Latter Day Saints and ex-mo,? And don't assume doesn't play well with others as a valid reason

I see the title attracted a bunch of believers 😅

@mylesmarkson1686

2 жыл бұрын

I see that too, but 90% of them are Robert Hutton. He has written enough on the Comment-section here alone to write his own Bible!

Believing NOTHING is far better than believing something false...ie, Mormonism.

Impeccable record!

Here's another rebuttal to the arguments in that article: www.unpackingmormonism.com/2017/01/guest-post-rebuttal-to-alarming-truth.html

It's interesting that he thinks the darkness and the abyss were on the Left and the light is on the Right. It definitely shows his political leanings.

The Trinity & John chapter 20 verse 17 Please help me understand

I liked your gateway drug joke. ^_^

@ZelphOntheShelf

7 жыл бұрын

Palmer Dickson Haha even though it fell flat? Bless your heart

@___LC___

4 жыл бұрын

Just try it...you’ll feel good!

My sister who left the church at 18 left because she thinks the LDS church is a lie of the devil. She came to this conclusion by reading the bible/the same historical and doctrinal issues as you guys. She has since been a very devout, fanatical, Christian and was even baptized and married in the catholic church. I left and became a Taoist/wiccan hybrid. My best friend left and became a Christian Buddhist. Haha. People leave the church cause it isnt true. But that doesn't ALWAYS mean they become atheists. (And besides, there is nothing wrong with being atheist.) Love you guys!

love the bafflement at 28:22 word salad omg

As an ex mormon I'm so glad that the apologist can talk so well for all of us. Lol. Love u guys. As far as answering Jesus with because Jesus. Why the bible or scriptures, because the bible and holy scriptures. What? How does that ever make sense the question and the answer is the same? Well I just use anything else. Because ice cream! Because Grace Jones!!! Because oceans! Its so irritating when people try to answer the question with the base of question itself.

The dark storm he sees is the experience of truth. The unknown, the unpredicable, the stprm is truth. Learning to ride the waves is the hope.

I did see that vid you're referring to..LOL Cults never quit! Totally keep ya confused with their weird scripture sensibility! They're there to keep ya doubting Scriptures and yourself...I call it Anti Christ bullying.

It could be a flicker of light from a candlestick....or a furnace.

I was forced to go to the LDS church until I was 13. I can honestly say I never once believed anything I was told. Might have had to do with the fact I did not even accept that nonsense into my thoughts because I was so young.

@carriegrinnell1230

6 жыл бұрын

John Lee John Lee.. making all Mormons look great. As Jesus said.. have a nice non accountable life.. the Mormon church is full of lies

@carriegrinnell1230

6 жыл бұрын

John Lee I was never Mormon since it’s a false religion. I’m just appalled that you consider yourself a “Christian” and are thanking him for leaving. True believers rejoice when the 1 out of 99 returns.. that’s in the Bible btw not the bom

I think that's a great assessment Joseph Smith was a Teeno file among other things like a spiritual wife o file

Am I the only one who thinks the triangles on the wallpaper are like pointers to their heads

Did anyone else notice that he turned to the "right" -- we all should have guess the right (starboard) side was the "correct" path.

His point #3 about atheistic morality is illogical and not supportive of human life and happiness. Ayn Rand's philosophy of objectivism which is based on the objective value of human life is more in tune with what an atheistic morality would evolve into.

I am bold enough to suggest that your age (very young when compared to me) explains your reverting to atheism. That is where I ended up some 55 years ago. Now, I am more agnostic than atheist. Who knows, I may become fully convinced of Christianity's claims before I shuffle off this mortal coil. My wife (an unrepentant German) finds the whole theological debate rather comical. She tells me that in Germany prior to WW1, her mother said, all one was told "obey your God, your parents, and the Kaiser!" The ruins of post WW1 changed that idea, then along comes Hitler, everything was back in order...then the destruction of post WW11, and the belief system crumbled along with the infrastructure. In other words, when expectations collide with reality, betrayal is the inevitable result. Nonetheless, I am still of the opinion that the spiritual journey for young Samantha and Tanner is far from over, and I wish them both a very happy journey. Keep up the sense of humor!

Hey guys what do you know about eugenics? Furthermore what is it about Jewish religion that seems to do to my sex life?

Love you guys. great points. but as i was getting bored with Dustin's ramblings. i was noticing the wall paper behind you. an amusing observation is that all arrows surrounding Sam's head points towards her. tanner has a few pointing towards him, then those to his left point further to the left. what do thes subliminal images mean? Is this a conspiracy by Sam to gather more attention. You know you shady atheists are devious. lol

@SamanthaShelley

7 жыл бұрын

Russ Vollmer You caught me - I'm a total narcissist!

@ZelphOntheShelf

7 жыл бұрын

And Tanner is a leftist!

You guys rock.

The first point I already disagreed with. I did find a non-denominational Christian Church very close to me, in fact.

Oh brother. More agency, this guy. If the church wasn’t such a controlling thing, I wouldn’t be sneaking my alcohol to drink alone at night, I would share with my parents and have a better relationship, spending evenings trading stories. Not going to happen, the cult has their minds, I broke away but they don’t know yet, and it just sucks.

"not respect, had god" extreme yoda voice

The true believers are at it again....

I’ve been binging and I have an off topic question…how are these two looking younger and hotter every vid(I’m here from 2021, and I’m asking for a friend)

I kinda feel like the article got confused, and just started using atheist and anti-mormon as interchangeable term; which they aren't. as you guys said, you can be atheist and just not care about religion at all.

i’d listen to you guys talk about westworld

I know of so many who find a rational spiritual home in Community of Christ. It truly makes something good out of Restoration Latter Day Saints Tradition.