When I had my shop back at home this is the kind of gear that get me excited more than hi-end stuff. Budget friendly gear that perform great and everyone can afford.
@HaraldMacGerhard
Жыл бұрын
Could not agree more 🙂
@hometheaterjoe9489
Жыл бұрын
Ditto
@paulgyro
7 ай бұрын
The Monoproice Monolith THX speakers might be the best value in the industry.
@musiccritic8704 Жыл бұрын
The cough and the klipsch came out of nowhere 😂 i really wasnt expecting that
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt
Жыл бұрын
I expected it to be repeated twice more but Danby is a gentleman.
@greggibson3311 ай бұрын
The designers at Monoprice are almost genius level to be able to create a speaker of this level while limited to a low price point.... it's actually more impressive than designers with an unlimited cost-no-object budget.
@levinelson3508 Жыл бұрын
It’s nice to see some speakers Danny likes. On forums I hear people say things like Danny is full of crap, but honestly, I think the guy knows what he’s doing. He just has a high caliber.
@Slane583
Жыл бұрын
They're calling him out because he's poking facts at something they like and they can't handle the facts. What they're also not getting is that Danny isn't MAKING them buy his upgrade kits either. They're reacting and making it sound like he's grandpa and he's forcing them to eat grandma's Lima Beans. He's presenting raw evidence of his testing, explaining what he did to get to where he is and this is what he did to fix it. If you want to buy the parts to make it better that is up to you. I would love it if Danny made me a crossover network for my vintage Pioneer CS53's that I could buy and assemble myself because they don't actually have any crossovers in them. But they probably fall in the category of "Not worth it" as far as upgrades go. But I still love them anyway, especially for the price I paid. :)
@Poppinwheeeeellllllieeeeez
Жыл бұрын
@@Slane583no...its because of the tube connectors.
@stevengilmore1509
Жыл бұрын
A man of integrity in my opinion. I bought his 16 strand speakers, and they DO perform. He is intelligent, and talented!
@stephenyoud6125
10 ай бұрын
@@Slane583why not send him one of your Pioneers? I’d like to see that video
@Slane583
10 ай бұрын
@@stephenyoud6125 I've thought about it, I'd love to have Danny design a crossover for them. But at the moment they're my only set of useable speakers I have hooked up to my computer. Because he has a lot of people waiting for an upgrade way ahead of me I'd be waiting for a while without any speakers. I would most likely do it when I have an extra set I can use while the Pioneers are absent. So maybe in the future if funds allow. :)
@DodgyBrothersEngineering Жыл бұрын
That's some decent looking frequency responses for what I would consider budget speakers.
@stephenyoud6125 Жыл бұрын
Nice one Brother! Designed by someone who follows your channel, no doubt? Nice job. I'm almost done upgrading my Home Theater surround speakers with new DIY XO designs with better parts. thanks to your inspiration and leadership.
@Lowkey_nxthxn Жыл бұрын
I'm impressed to see the first speakers ever that actually have a good crossover network good stuff monoprice
@stefvanarchipel Жыл бұрын
Love the looks of these. Stunning package 🤩
@tbob22249 ай бұрын
Someone ought to send you an Encore T6 - they were just on sale for $118 each - could be a good candidate for an upgrade as the build quality is quite good. Extremely impressive at that price to me - reach well into the low 30hz range nearly flat with room gain and very solid dynamics overall.
@srijithps3 ай бұрын
Not many reviewers out there who do a 'tear-down' and explain pros and cons of each component,.. Man! this is how deep-dives should be. The reviewer really knows the subject and thats the "Trust factor" for people who watch this review. Good work and keep going..
@robh9079 Жыл бұрын
Hope your klipsch allergy clears up...
@tonyt.5771
11 ай бұрын
😂 good one
@GSP-76 Жыл бұрын
I love Monoprice's monolith subwoofers. Their 13 and 15 inch 2000w watt subs are probably the best on the market for what they cost. I got the monolith 10 inch sub for my desktop 2.1 setup and couldn't be happier.
@curtissanjenko285
8 ай бұрын
I just upgraded my older Pinnacle Super sonic 12”. (2 of them) which have 2 12” per sealed cab….very musical and accurate and never a complaint….to 2-13” Monolith ultra subs….totally different ballgame….home theater hobbyist to home theatre serious….can’t even describe how powerful they are.
@jonathanpatterson2798 Жыл бұрын
Fair play to you.keep up the brilliant work hear and on the Repair shop
@officialpoa31713 ай бұрын
*All you have to do to dampen a cabinet is take all the hardware out of it and cut/trim to fit, glue and line the inside of the cabinet with MASS LOADED VINYL. Then for more support add a few staples to hold the material in place, while the glue settles.*
@IliyaOsnovikov Жыл бұрын
Danny, that 25W resistor in the woofers circuit does dissipate not all power that goes into those woofers but only a small portion of it. Let's say if we have 8 Ohm driver and 1 Ohm resistor connected in series that resistor would always get 8 times less power than the driver.
@TheMirolab
Жыл бұрын
Agree!! A simple Ohms law problem!
@dannyrichie9743
Жыл бұрын
That is correct in that it will not dissipate all of the power. The woofer will dissipate more of it. However, the resistor will still only dissipate 25W and that's it. It's also depends on frequency. The lower wavelengths will be rough on it. It might not even handle half of that power if the wavelengths are long and the time frame is long. It is still a problem. Simply raising the impedance of the drivers would have been an easy solution.
@IliyaOsnovikov
Жыл бұрын
@@dannyrichie9743 I believe there is no issue with a power rating of that particular resistor in those speakers. Otherwise they would specify two 25W resistors instead of one or some 50W resistor. I agree with you that this issue can be addressed by other and better methods. But it seems that the company just decided to use it's standard drivers in different models to minimise inventory.
@dannyrichie9743
Жыл бұрын
@@IliyaOsnovikov The 25 watt rated resistor can be a problem for some people. It just depends on how loud they play certain types of music. One heavy dub step album cranked up might do them in. I also agree that they are trying to minimize inventory and use the same woofers in everything.
@scottspencer4018 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing the news on these speakers. It's nice to see some decent stuff coming from an affordable and less recognized brand name. My only hands-on experience with Monoprice products is their 4-conductor 12 gauge speaker wire, which I thought was pretty darn decent sounding for low cost bulk wire. Hopefully a lot of folks will be able to get a decent sounding affordable pair of speakers that are a better value than the multitude of popular profit boxes that so many brand name manufacturers crank out....with a little DIY magic they can get started down the path to some really good sound. Well done all around on this one!
@v12alpine
11 ай бұрын
My only experience with monoprice is bulk cat5 and IEC power cables. Pretty cool they are delving into audio and doing so quite well it seems!
@Bradimus1 Жыл бұрын
This is a company that makes big powerful subwoofers and as well, they consider these home theater speakers. It isn't intended to be playing much under 80hz if at all.
@think20238 ай бұрын
So...25 watt resistor dissipated ALL of the power in the outer woofer circuit....even when woofer voice coils have 300% more impedance? And...what about damping factor?
@wwlittlejOfficial Жыл бұрын
What i love about this is "reviewers" will not touch Monoprice stuff, generally. theres a few budget oriented guys that might, but I haven't seen any reviews yet. Danny doesn't care, what u send him is what he's gonna check out and test. I LOVE this. I'm definately from the audio doesnt have to cost a home remodeling to enjoy crowd. Now if Danny could design a proper THX style 7.1 system with atmos, lol. (yes I'm aware he has surround and center channel speakers!)
@RennieAsh
Жыл бұрын
There's quite a few reviewers with monoprice stuff?
@wwlittlejOfficial
Жыл бұрын
@@RennieAsh "... generally. theres a few budget oriented guys that might, but I have(n't) seen any reviews yet."
@TriAmpHiFi Жыл бұрын
Always interesting..............thanks. 🔈🔉🔊
@HaraldMacGerhard Жыл бұрын
Obviously kudos to the Monoprice guys for job well done 😎
@kenanderson2216 Жыл бұрын
I'd like to see some real testing on the OMA Fleetwoods. Have you seen these come through yet? They are pricey[10-20K], so I assume they have the good stuff in them. I'd like to see what's under that OMA skirt.
@patrickkellaher9673 Жыл бұрын
Danny, thank you for that note about the 1 ohm resistor. I listen to bass heavy music (Drum and Bass), and I'm fairly sure these would burn up after 1 song, then again, the sub would probably be taking some of the load from the these. I would love to hear some drum and bass on the brutes though. I bet those could put out some nice sub-30 hz signals.
@v12alpine
11 ай бұрын
The 1ohm 25 watt resistor is really only dissipating 1/4 - 1/5 of the power since the drivers are 3-4 ohms. So you'd have to pass a constant 100w-125w or more *average* before they become an issue. If you have a separate sub, this would definately be a non-issue.
@Hawkeye242
7 ай бұрын
@@v12alpineThanks for explaining. I have these speakers and they hit low end super well. I have not detected any issue playing music or movies with a lot of low end bass. I also have a 3700H denon AVR and am not sending massive amounts of power to each speaker. Monoprice usually over specs products at a given price point. I would be surprised if they saved a couple bucks and put in a resistor that would fry with low bass music. That is hard to believe and I don’t see any owner reviews or posts indicating that this is a problem in real world usage.
@FOH3663 Жыл бұрын
That brutal load doesn't let up ... ouch, I suspect some characteristics of compression. Overall however, seemingly a solid design.
@deanedgx Жыл бұрын
Good review. It would be great if you could include directivity index, estimated in-room response, distortion, and polar plots.
@dannyrichie9743
Жыл бұрын
Directivity can be seen in the off axis responses. What the response might look like in a room can also be derived from that data. Distortion measurements taken outside of an anechoic chamber are irrelevant.
@fredschroer182 Жыл бұрын
i have been listening to Danny for accouple of years. i bought the BRUTES 6months ago and had GR build my speakers. every time i compare them with other speakers i have owned that cost 4x or more are out classed by his speakers a broad range of music. if you think he is just a Utube show you are uninformed . these speakers outclass many other speakers i heard too thanks Danny.
@dannyrichie9743
11 ай бұрын
You are welcome and thanks for the feedback.
@ElCidPhysics904 ай бұрын
Wow. The 465 is a lot taller than I expected. Considering using their in wall 465 as LCR
@PAINFOOL13 Жыл бұрын
The hottest weather I was in was Buckeye Az. 126 made my ears ring 😂 Stay cool Danny 😎
@tonyb335011 ай бұрын
That affect you're talking about in the atmos speaker, I believe that's by design. Dolby has a specific frequency response they require for it to be a "Dolby atmos" speaker. And it's supposed to be that way to create a better height affect. Not sure if it actually works though...
@1Aquadon10 ай бұрын
I think all budget brands need to have a white version of more of their products!!
@NeilBlanchard Жыл бұрын
I would suggest the mid/tweeter pod face plate could do with some improvement, as well. Plastic is rarely going to be as stiff or low resonance as it needs to be to keep it from being a weak link.
@rikardekvall3433
Жыл бұрын
Put some Dynamat on the backside of the plastic. Then you will reduce some of the resonance.
@NeilBlanchard
Жыл бұрын
@@rikardekvall3433 Sure, that's one possibility. Another might be to do fabric and glue layers. And/or some ribs across the narrow web between the drivers.
@rikardekvall3433
Жыл бұрын
@@NeilBlanchard Ribs might make edge diffraction. Keep it on the inside.
@NeilBlanchard
Жыл бұрын
@@rikardekvall3433 Yup - that's what I meant. Plastic of this sort needs to be strengthened and damped.
@1013301 Жыл бұрын
I love your information, and I wanted to know if you ever listened to a pair of "Thiel CS-3.6" speakers? I have owned a pair since 1996, and never heard a better speaker at its price point ($4,300.00) for basic black finish, in 1996. Thiel went out of business in 2012 (after Jim Thiel died from cancer), and was later bought out by a sub-par company, and went bankrupt in 2018. I miss that original "Thiel" sound, Never warm and forgiving, but rather, a microscope into the whole recording from begining to end. I truly miss the "Thiel" sound, and the fact that they were made in Kentucky, before they were bought out. My guess, is that you would hate them, because they are very analytical, and feature a "first-order" crossover, as did most of their speakers, back in the day. :) The last speaker that they made while Jim Thiel was still alive, was the "CS-3.7", which was over 15,000 dollars for the pair.
@dannyrichie9743
Жыл бұрын
His brother Tom has been in contact with me regarding a plan to relaunch some products under the Thiel name. So maybe they will make a comeback.
@sudd3660 Жыл бұрын
looks like a value speaker, some drawback was the 25w resistor, with the expectation that so many woofers it would handle some eq to add more bass, and also the port would suggest some bass capability. i am pretty sure i would fry that thing with one album of bass mechanic..... but for real world use i set up my speakers with stereo subwoofers, and a high pass. but then the port is only in the way and adds cost. but at least the resistor would probably keep up now.....
@davej9228 Жыл бұрын
May I request that you explain the spectral decay graph,what am I looking at and what does it tell me. You've shown it many times but it means nothing to me.
@dannyrichie9743
Жыл бұрын
I did do a video on that. It is one of the older ones on measurements.
@xxxYYZxxx9 ай бұрын
Another great review by Danny, but I can't take my eyes off the Brutes in the background.
@anthonymiriello5029 Жыл бұрын
Great video Danny. I got worried when you got ( Klipsch), stuck in your throat and choked.....lol Nice speakers I was considering them. Just got a pair of JBL studio 690. Not great but actually pretty nice sounds, not shouty or too sibilant.
@Aswaguespack Жыл бұрын
I’m a Louisiana “neighbor” and the heat and humidity is brutal here too. I think you guys are a couple degrees hotter than we are but we expecting triple digit temps this week. No rain to cool us down, and it’s inside time to listen to music 👍🏻 “When you have Lemons you make Lemonade.” As always great stuff Danny
@think20238 ай бұрын
Serious question. If steel nuts on binding posts cause serious degradation , smearing the signal.....why don't stamped steel baskets (Much more ferrous material) get the same condemnation. Or...the steel chassis of the amp, or the laminated ferrous coils in tube amp output transformers etc? There might be several POUNDS of ferrous material subject to inductive eddy current losses....but removing the steel binding post nuts makes all the difference? (and are they really IN the signal path if all other parts of the binding posts are non ferrous?....why would current flow through higher resistance steel if thick brass parts constitute a complete path...even with steel nuts?
@dannyrichie9743
7 ай бұрын
Steel on the binding posts is in the signal path and affects the signal. Steel used on a driver frame is part of structure. It does not affect the signal. Yes, removing it makes a difference.
@Poppinwheeeeellllllieeeeez Жыл бұрын
Bought a pair of NS-690's for 300. Im a happy camper.
@toecutterjenkins Жыл бұрын
It would be interesting to see if the atmos speaker could be replaced with an upfiring tweeter.
@BootJamesOut
Жыл бұрын
Hello folks. I feel it might be best to use the same tweeter mid combo plate but in its own box or Vifa M10 4" midrange. As we all like to play too. Or try the little Mecca speaker. Ceiling to wall Sona tube cut to quarter rounds, to control the wave. Yes I'm still crazy Ride Easy
@bingdong8571 Жыл бұрын
These things are 1000 bucks a pair right now with sale!
@psyphonyxaudio Жыл бұрын
Might have convinced me to upgrade my front end from the Encore to the THX ! ... Always loved this format / tower. How high off the floor is that tweeter?
@dannyrichie9743
Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't.
@nathandaniels4823
Жыл бұрын
I think he’s talking about the Monolith Encore, not the GR Research Encore 😅
@dannyrichie9743
Жыл бұрын
@@nathandaniels4823 Ah....
@Edward135i10 ай бұрын
This speaker is on sale for $750 right now.
@randyduncan79511 ай бұрын
If you have serious amps capable of below 2 ohms I wonder how bypassing those 1 ohm resistors would sound.
@seanb3303 Жыл бұрын
Speaking of acoustic centers, Danny why do you stay away from coaxial designs?
@dannyrichie9743
Жыл бұрын
We've used coaxial designs in the past and we have had one under development for the last two years. When we get it to where it needs to be then we'll bring it out. Also, most of the coaxial drivers out there suffer from a number of problems that I find unacceptable.
@Quietprofessional1 Жыл бұрын
Which speaker brands use the best crossover parts?
@supermanwhereareyounow30819 ай бұрын
Do they still make speakers or going out of business? Everything is out of stock like forever
@linandy1 Жыл бұрын
Cough *Klipsch* 😂
@danabunner48711 ай бұрын
Sounds like someone should purchase the 460T version, not get the questionable ambience top-mounted tweeter and save $300 (actually $470 right now as the 460Ts are on sale) a pair.
@shipsahoy1793 Жыл бұрын
When companies pinch pennies on hardware, it doesn’t say much for their integrity. Put your product where your marketing is !!
@shipsahoy1793
Жыл бұрын
@@Moonplant432 Lol, you’re basically stating the obvious, hence apparently not “in tune”with the statement made.
@ahnenpost5237 Жыл бұрын
The dip in the response about 6kHz did not occur in the smaller model - to me, something went wrong there and I would like to fix it by just using the crossover-topic of the smaller model. This time, I have a different opinion about this speaker, I do not agree with Danny.
@dannyrichie9743
Жыл бұрын
The crossover for those two models will not interchange. Also, that dip at 6kHz is not too bad.
@realjaxon Жыл бұрын
What is the ohms of those towers?
@dannyrichie9743
Жыл бұрын
See the 8:51 mark.
@ubeuonly
9 ай бұрын
Ebonics not spoken here
@louskimming4371 Жыл бұрын
I have no context for how they actually sound, nor how they would rank against other speakers, other than the possibility that we are to deduce something from the title. Puzzling.
@dannyrichie9743
Жыл бұрын
The quality of the parts used will tell you a lot about how it is going to sound.
@aaronswalwell4673 Жыл бұрын
Little confused that you didn't show the before and after measurements like you usually do.
@dannyrichie9743
Жыл бұрын
There were no before and after measurements. We did not redesign it. It is just a parts quality upgrade, binding posts upgrade, new wiring, and sheets of No Rez.
@bkline3147
Жыл бұрын
Danny, I own these speakers (love them for my HT) and thank you for the review! I would like to try to upgrade them, but at $1k for the pair is more than I want to spend and I'm not sure I have the expertise to upgrade the parts / make a new board. However, I would like to do the other upgrades (NoRez, wiring, tube connectors)...will that help the speakers, and is it an option?
@dannyrichie9743
Жыл бұрын
@@bkline3147 That will really help.
@bingdong8571 Жыл бұрын
Their description says its built with hdf wood? T\F?
@epi2045 Жыл бұрын
$765 each isn’t really budget. I think the Emotiva line is a better value.
@dextermorgan1
Жыл бұрын
Have you heard either one? The Monoprice speakers sound really good. The Emotiva products are OK. There's nothing wrong with them at all but they don't sound exceptionally good like these do. The Emotiva uses cheaper x over parts too. I have friends with both speakers. To all of us that listen to them, everyone agrees the Monoprice are a significant improvement over Emotiva.
@bearclaw5115
Жыл бұрын
I have sent back or sold every Emotiva speaker I have purchased except the B1+ and I'm not a huge fan of them either. Their speakers range from junk to just ok if you ask me. Under 2,000 a pair is budget. Not to say that's cheap, it's just that speakers below that tend to have a compromise or two to hit the price point.
@anonymous007advice Жыл бұрын
Monolith Subs are better than SVS take a look!
@RegondiMusic
Жыл бұрын
yes I have the Monolith Sub ver 2 10 inch and my friend the SVS about the same price and specs. The SVS sub is very weak.
@anonymous007advice
Жыл бұрын
@@RegondiMusic I compared them with Subwoofer benchmark SPL Tests...from their budget entry level to their flagship models and Monolith wins at virtually every price point and is better priced as well. (This comming from a current and long term SVS fan and owner since my first Sub PB12/Plus2 back in 2005.) But today i'd be buying Monoprice Monolith Subs without question!
@ricksmith7659
Жыл бұрын
Blasphemy... Lol. I've been seeing RSL Speedwoofer reviews saying the same thing and now you talking about Monolith being better. I use 2 SB1000 Pros because they are very small for a 12" sub.
@dextermorgan1
Жыл бұрын
I've been screaming that for years now. Monoprice subs are amazing. Especially for their price. Ive bought 3 so far.
@anonymous007advice
Жыл бұрын
@@ricksmith7659 RSL does pretty good too, watch them.
@user-gf7kj5vj3p3 ай бұрын
Pity not bi ampable capable...
@dilbyjones Жыл бұрын
Measurements don’t show radiation pattern
@dannyrichie9743
Жыл бұрын
The off axis measurements give you that data.
@hom2fu
Жыл бұрын
that's 1 aspect. it also depend room size + furniture.
@dannyrichie9743
Жыл бұрын
@@hom2fu The room certainty has everything to do with the in room response, but the room responses is not part of speaker measurements.
@DodgyBrothersEngineering Жыл бұрын
Third, but who cares, I'm here for the video...
@kodyadams55618 ай бұрын
GUY ARE YOU HIGH? THIS IS THE BEST SPEAKER FOR $700 FOR 1 OR $1,400 FOR A PAIR YOU GET 7 SPEAKERS FOR EACH TOWER. THE SOUND AND CLARITY FROM THESE SPEAKERS WOULD MAKE YOU THINK THEY WERE ABOUT $3,000-3,500 .
@dannyrichie9743
7 ай бұрын
Yet, they left a lot of room for improvement.
@Seiserism Жыл бұрын
First
@hifiman4562
Жыл бұрын
First reply.
@Take-the-Ticket
Жыл бұрын
@@hifiman4562 Comment
@peternemeth4947 Жыл бұрын
Second
@carlose.martinez545 Жыл бұрын
Many times on your comments about different louspeakers you receive to test or to improve, particularly on lower priced boxes, you complain about the thickness of the wooden walls, particularly the lateral ones. Very few, even from brands like ATC, add some kind of anti-resonant wood plate, or even dowels, to dampen the walls. So the walls resonate when you knock on them, and certainly with music. Adding large horizontal wooden pieces inside an existing commercial box would decrease the volume, though just using two 1" thick dowels, forcefully pushed in without any glue would help a lot and eat up little volume. More effective than using Nores, I think. But there's another solution that could be used on several resonant points on the box wall, even front to back, that might work marvels. Using a galvanized steel threaded bars, 1/4" thick, bought by feet or meter, then cut to the extension of the box walls separation. Two 1/4" bolts per end. You tighten the second end's external bolt till resonance is lowest, and then tighten the internal bolts. www.amazon.co.uk/Threaded-Galvanized-Strength-Diameter-Locking/dp/B0BCQRGQ62/ref=sr_1_1?crid=MIFULAL6YY10&keywords=galvanized+threaded+bar&qid=1687888632&sprefix=galvanized+threaded+bar%2Caps%2C329&sr=8-1 Of course you have to embed the external bolts on the wood, which will depend on the external wood finish, which is an important issue. But the gain you will have in deadness is considerable. Worth thinking of a way to do it on your box. Carlos E. Martinez
@dannyrichie9743
Жыл бұрын
Stiffening up the walls with braces breaks up the resonances and pushes them up to higher frequency ranges, but a product like No Rez is still needed and very effective at damping out the resonances.
@darrengillesdarrengilles83363 ай бұрын
So $1500 USD a pair five years ago and the idea is for these speakers to sound good you need to build an entire outboard crossover network and if that's not bad enough you have to pay more money for the privilege of doing so. 45 years ago I went to the now Iconic Bay Bloor Radio in Toronto Ontario Canada and sat down in a listening room with a switching module in my lap and previewed a dozen or so speakers listening to an LP I brought from home and switched from speaker pair to speaker pair with the same track playing and based on what I heard picked the best sounding speakers out of the group bought them took them home and never looked back on that purchase. That is how you as an individual need to buy speakers, your ears are never mentioned in these videos and the truth is everyone's ears and hearing is different from each other and for that single irrefutable truth you can cut out all this confusing technological rabbit hole insanity which is for people who are never satisfied, can never spend enough money and painfully more true, never agree with each other on what sounds the best. Don't believe me? There are dozens of audio Gods on the internet that think Danny is full of shit and their are dozens of audio Gods that think those Gods are full of shit and on and on and on it goes forcing you to chose which Audio Gods religion you will buy into and that cash investment " NOT YOUR HAPPINESS " is what these guys and this industry is all about. You are not going into an audio retailers facility with a battery of electronic testing equipment looking for scientific data your ears will never hear. All you have between parting with your money and being happy about it is " YOUR EARS " so? use them, make a choice that makes you happy and never look back.
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When I had my shop back at home this is the kind of gear that get me excited more than hi-end stuff. Budget friendly gear that perform great and everyone can afford.
@HaraldMacGerhard
Жыл бұрын
Could not agree more 🙂
@hometheaterjoe9489
Жыл бұрын
Ditto
@paulgyro
7 ай бұрын
The Monoproice Monolith THX speakers might be the best value in the industry.
The cough and the klipsch came out of nowhere 😂 i really wasnt expecting that
@carlosoliveira-rc2xt
Жыл бұрын
I expected it to be repeated twice more but Danby is a gentleman.
The designers at Monoprice are almost genius level to be able to create a speaker of this level while limited to a low price point.... it's actually more impressive than designers with an unlimited cost-no-object budget.
It’s nice to see some speakers Danny likes. On forums I hear people say things like Danny is full of crap, but honestly, I think the guy knows what he’s doing. He just has a high caliber.
@Slane583
Жыл бұрын
They're calling him out because he's poking facts at something they like and they can't handle the facts. What they're also not getting is that Danny isn't MAKING them buy his upgrade kits either. They're reacting and making it sound like he's grandpa and he's forcing them to eat grandma's Lima Beans. He's presenting raw evidence of his testing, explaining what he did to get to where he is and this is what he did to fix it. If you want to buy the parts to make it better that is up to you. I would love it if Danny made me a crossover network for my vintage Pioneer CS53's that I could buy and assemble myself because they don't actually have any crossovers in them. But they probably fall in the category of "Not worth it" as far as upgrades go. But I still love them anyway, especially for the price I paid. :)
@Poppinwheeeeellllllieeeeez
Жыл бұрын
@@Slane583no...its because of the tube connectors.
@stevengilmore1509
Жыл бұрын
A man of integrity in my opinion. I bought his 16 strand speakers, and they DO perform. He is intelligent, and talented!
@stephenyoud6125
10 ай бұрын
@@Slane583why not send him one of your Pioneers? I’d like to see that video
@Slane583
10 ай бұрын
@@stephenyoud6125 I've thought about it, I'd love to have Danny design a crossover for them. But at the moment they're my only set of useable speakers I have hooked up to my computer. Because he has a lot of people waiting for an upgrade way ahead of me I'd be waiting for a while without any speakers. I would most likely do it when I have an extra set I can use while the Pioneers are absent. So maybe in the future if funds allow. :)
That's some decent looking frequency responses for what I would consider budget speakers.
Nice one Brother! Designed by someone who follows your channel, no doubt? Nice job. I'm almost done upgrading my Home Theater surround speakers with new DIY XO designs with better parts. thanks to your inspiration and leadership.
I'm impressed to see the first speakers ever that actually have a good crossover network good stuff monoprice
Love the looks of these. Stunning package 🤩
Someone ought to send you an Encore T6 - they were just on sale for $118 each - could be a good candidate for an upgrade as the build quality is quite good. Extremely impressive at that price to me - reach well into the low 30hz range nearly flat with room gain and very solid dynamics overall.
Not many reviewers out there who do a 'tear-down' and explain pros and cons of each component,.. Man! this is how deep-dives should be. The reviewer really knows the subject and thats the "Trust factor" for people who watch this review. Good work and keep going..
Hope your klipsch allergy clears up...
@tonyt.5771
11 ай бұрын
😂 good one
I love Monoprice's monolith subwoofers. Their 13 and 15 inch 2000w watt subs are probably the best on the market for what they cost. I got the monolith 10 inch sub for my desktop 2.1 setup and couldn't be happier.
@curtissanjenko285
8 ай бұрын
I just upgraded my older Pinnacle Super sonic 12”. (2 of them) which have 2 12” per sealed cab….very musical and accurate and never a complaint….to 2-13” Monolith ultra subs….totally different ballgame….home theater hobbyist to home theatre serious….can’t even describe how powerful they are.
Fair play to you.keep up the brilliant work hear and on the Repair shop
*All you have to do to dampen a cabinet is take all the hardware out of it and cut/trim to fit, glue and line the inside of the cabinet with MASS LOADED VINYL. Then for more support add a few staples to hold the material in place, while the glue settles.*
Danny, that 25W resistor in the woofers circuit does dissipate not all power that goes into those woofers but only a small portion of it. Let's say if we have 8 Ohm driver and 1 Ohm resistor connected in series that resistor would always get 8 times less power than the driver.
@TheMirolab
Жыл бұрын
Agree!! A simple Ohms law problem!
@dannyrichie9743
Жыл бұрын
That is correct in that it will not dissipate all of the power. The woofer will dissipate more of it. However, the resistor will still only dissipate 25W and that's it. It's also depends on frequency. The lower wavelengths will be rough on it. It might not even handle half of that power if the wavelengths are long and the time frame is long. It is still a problem. Simply raising the impedance of the drivers would have been an easy solution.
@IliyaOsnovikov
Жыл бұрын
@@dannyrichie9743 I believe there is no issue with a power rating of that particular resistor in those speakers. Otherwise they would specify two 25W resistors instead of one or some 50W resistor. I agree with you that this issue can be addressed by other and better methods. But it seems that the company just decided to use it's standard drivers in different models to minimise inventory.
@dannyrichie9743
Жыл бұрын
@@IliyaOsnovikov The 25 watt rated resistor can be a problem for some people. It just depends on how loud they play certain types of music. One heavy dub step album cranked up might do them in. I also agree that they are trying to minimize inventory and use the same woofers in everything.
Thanks for sharing the news on these speakers. It's nice to see some decent stuff coming from an affordable and less recognized brand name. My only hands-on experience with Monoprice products is their 4-conductor 12 gauge speaker wire, which I thought was pretty darn decent sounding for low cost bulk wire. Hopefully a lot of folks will be able to get a decent sounding affordable pair of speakers that are a better value than the multitude of popular profit boxes that so many brand name manufacturers crank out....with a little DIY magic they can get started down the path to some really good sound. Well done all around on this one!
@v12alpine
11 ай бұрын
My only experience with monoprice is bulk cat5 and IEC power cables. Pretty cool they are delving into audio and doing so quite well it seems!
This is a company that makes big powerful subwoofers and as well, they consider these home theater speakers. It isn't intended to be playing much under 80hz if at all.
So...25 watt resistor dissipated ALL of the power in the outer woofer circuit....even when woofer voice coils have 300% more impedance? And...what about damping factor?
What i love about this is "reviewers" will not touch Monoprice stuff, generally. theres a few budget oriented guys that might, but I haven't seen any reviews yet. Danny doesn't care, what u send him is what he's gonna check out and test. I LOVE this. I'm definately from the audio doesnt have to cost a home remodeling to enjoy crowd. Now if Danny could design a proper THX style 7.1 system with atmos, lol. (yes I'm aware he has surround and center channel speakers!)
@RennieAsh
Жыл бұрын
There's quite a few reviewers with monoprice stuff?
@wwlittlejOfficial
Жыл бұрын
@@RennieAsh "... generally. theres a few budget oriented guys that might, but I have(n't) seen any reviews yet."
Always interesting..............thanks. 🔈🔉🔊
Obviously kudos to the Monoprice guys for job well done 😎
I'd like to see some real testing on the OMA Fleetwoods. Have you seen these come through yet? They are pricey[10-20K], so I assume they have the good stuff in them. I'd like to see what's under that OMA skirt.
Danny, thank you for that note about the 1 ohm resistor. I listen to bass heavy music (Drum and Bass), and I'm fairly sure these would burn up after 1 song, then again, the sub would probably be taking some of the load from the these. I would love to hear some drum and bass on the brutes though. I bet those could put out some nice sub-30 hz signals.
@v12alpine
11 ай бұрын
The 1ohm 25 watt resistor is really only dissipating 1/4 - 1/5 of the power since the drivers are 3-4 ohms. So you'd have to pass a constant 100w-125w or more *average* before they become an issue. If you have a separate sub, this would definately be a non-issue.
@Hawkeye242
7 ай бұрын
@@v12alpineThanks for explaining. I have these speakers and they hit low end super well. I have not detected any issue playing music or movies with a lot of low end bass. I also have a 3700H denon AVR and am not sending massive amounts of power to each speaker. Monoprice usually over specs products at a given price point. I would be surprised if they saved a couple bucks and put in a resistor that would fry with low bass music. That is hard to believe and I don’t see any owner reviews or posts indicating that this is a problem in real world usage.
That brutal load doesn't let up ... ouch, I suspect some characteristics of compression. Overall however, seemingly a solid design.
Good review. It would be great if you could include directivity index, estimated in-room response, distortion, and polar plots.
@dannyrichie9743
Жыл бұрын
Directivity can be seen in the off axis responses. What the response might look like in a room can also be derived from that data. Distortion measurements taken outside of an anechoic chamber are irrelevant.
i have been listening to Danny for accouple of years. i bought the BRUTES 6months ago and had GR build my speakers. every time i compare them with other speakers i have owned that cost 4x or more are out classed by his speakers a broad range of music. if you think he is just a Utube show you are uninformed . these speakers outclass many other speakers i heard too thanks Danny.
@dannyrichie9743
11 ай бұрын
You are welcome and thanks for the feedback.
Wow. The 465 is a lot taller than I expected. Considering using their in wall 465 as LCR
The hottest weather I was in was Buckeye Az. 126 made my ears ring 😂 Stay cool Danny 😎
That affect you're talking about in the atmos speaker, I believe that's by design. Dolby has a specific frequency response they require for it to be a "Dolby atmos" speaker. And it's supposed to be that way to create a better height affect. Not sure if it actually works though...
I think all budget brands need to have a white version of more of their products!!
I would suggest the mid/tweeter pod face plate could do with some improvement, as well. Plastic is rarely going to be as stiff or low resonance as it needs to be to keep it from being a weak link.
@rikardekvall3433
Жыл бұрын
Put some Dynamat on the backside of the plastic. Then you will reduce some of the resonance.
@NeilBlanchard
Жыл бұрын
@@rikardekvall3433 Sure, that's one possibility. Another might be to do fabric and glue layers. And/or some ribs across the narrow web between the drivers.
@rikardekvall3433
Жыл бұрын
@@NeilBlanchard Ribs might make edge diffraction. Keep it on the inside.
@NeilBlanchard
Жыл бұрын
@@rikardekvall3433 Yup - that's what I meant. Plastic of this sort needs to be strengthened and damped.
I love your information, and I wanted to know if you ever listened to a pair of "Thiel CS-3.6" speakers? I have owned a pair since 1996, and never heard a better speaker at its price point ($4,300.00) for basic black finish, in 1996. Thiel went out of business in 2012 (after Jim Thiel died from cancer), and was later bought out by a sub-par company, and went bankrupt in 2018. I miss that original "Thiel" sound, Never warm and forgiving, but rather, a microscope into the whole recording from begining to end. I truly miss the "Thiel" sound, and the fact that they were made in Kentucky, before they were bought out. My guess, is that you would hate them, because they are very analytical, and feature a "first-order" crossover, as did most of their speakers, back in the day. :) The last speaker that they made while Jim Thiel was still alive, was the "CS-3.7", which was over 15,000 dollars for the pair.
@dannyrichie9743
Жыл бұрын
His brother Tom has been in contact with me regarding a plan to relaunch some products under the Thiel name. So maybe they will make a comeback.
looks like a value speaker, some drawback was the 25w resistor, with the expectation that so many woofers it would handle some eq to add more bass, and also the port would suggest some bass capability. i am pretty sure i would fry that thing with one album of bass mechanic..... but for real world use i set up my speakers with stereo subwoofers, and a high pass. but then the port is only in the way and adds cost. but at least the resistor would probably keep up now.....
May I request that you explain the spectral decay graph,what am I looking at and what does it tell me. You've shown it many times but it means nothing to me.
@dannyrichie9743
Жыл бұрын
I did do a video on that. It is one of the older ones on measurements.
Another great review by Danny, but I can't take my eyes off the Brutes in the background.
Great video Danny. I got worried when you got ( Klipsch), stuck in your throat and choked.....lol Nice speakers I was considering them. Just got a pair of JBL studio 690. Not great but actually pretty nice sounds, not shouty or too sibilant.
I’m a Louisiana “neighbor” and the heat and humidity is brutal here too. I think you guys are a couple degrees hotter than we are but we expecting triple digit temps this week. No rain to cool us down, and it’s inside time to listen to music 👍🏻 “When you have Lemons you make Lemonade.” As always great stuff Danny
Serious question. If steel nuts on binding posts cause serious degradation , smearing the signal.....why don't stamped steel baskets (Much more ferrous material) get the same condemnation. Or...the steel chassis of the amp, or the laminated ferrous coils in tube amp output transformers etc? There might be several POUNDS of ferrous material subject to inductive eddy current losses....but removing the steel binding post nuts makes all the difference? (and are they really IN the signal path if all other parts of the binding posts are non ferrous?....why would current flow through higher resistance steel if thick brass parts constitute a complete path...even with steel nuts?
@dannyrichie9743
7 ай бұрын
Steel on the binding posts is in the signal path and affects the signal. Steel used on a driver frame is part of structure. It does not affect the signal. Yes, removing it makes a difference.
Bought a pair of NS-690's for 300. Im a happy camper.
It would be interesting to see if the atmos speaker could be replaced with an upfiring tweeter.
@BootJamesOut
Жыл бұрын
Hello folks. I feel it might be best to use the same tweeter mid combo plate but in its own box or Vifa M10 4" midrange. As we all like to play too. Or try the little Mecca speaker. Ceiling to wall Sona tube cut to quarter rounds, to control the wave. Yes I'm still crazy Ride Easy
These things are 1000 bucks a pair right now with sale!
Might have convinced me to upgrade my front end from the Encore to the THX ! ... Always loved this format / tower. How high off the floor is that tweeter?
@dannyrichie9743
Жыл бұрын
I wouldn't.
@nathandaniels4823
Жыл бұрын
I think he’s talking about the Monolith Encore, not the GR Research Encore 😅
@dannyrichie9743
Жыл бұрын
@@nathandaniels4823 Ah....
This speaker is on sale for $750 right now.
If you have serious amps capable of below 2 ohms I wonder how bypassing those 1 ohm resistors would sound.
Speaking of acoustic centers, Danny why do you stay away from coaxial designs?
@dannyrichie9743
Жыл бұрын
We've used coaxial designs in the past and we have had one under development for the last two years. When we get it to where it needs to be then we'll bring it out. Also, most of the coaxial drivers out there suffer from a number of problems that I find unacceptable.
Which speaker brands use the best crossover parts?
Do they still make speakers or going out of business? Everything is out of stock like forever
Cough *Klipsch* 😂
Sounds like someone should purchase the 460T version, not get the questionable ambience top-mounted tweeter and save $300 (actually $470 right now as the 460Ts are on sale) a pair.
When companies pinch pennies on hardware, it doesn’t say much for their integrity. Put your product where your marketing is !!
@shipsahoy1793
Жыл бұрын
@@Moonplant432 Lol, you’re basically stating the obvious, hence apparently not “in tune”with the statement made.
The dip in the response about 6kHz did not occur in the smaller model - to me, something went wrong there and I would like to fix it by just using the crossover-topic of the smaller model. This time, I have a different opinion about this speaker, I do not agree with Danny.
@dannyrichie9743
Жыл бұрын
The crossover for those two models will not interchange. Also, that dip at 6kHz is not too bad.
What is the ohms of those towers?
@dannyrichie9743
Жыл бұрын
See the 8:51 mark.
@ubeuonly
9 ай бұрын
Ebonics not spoken here
I have no context for how they actually sound, nor how they would rank against other speakers, other than the possibility that we are to deduce something from the title. Puzzling.
@dannyrichie9743
Жыл бұрын
The quality of the parts used will tell you a lot about how it is going to sound.
Little confused that you didn't show the before and after measurements like you usually do.
@dannyrichie9743
Жыл бұрын
There were no before and after measurements. We did not redesign it. It is just a parts quality upgrade, binding posts upgrade, new wiring, and sheets of No Rez.
@bkline3147
Жыл бұрын
Danny, I own these speakers (love them for my HT) and thank you for the review! I would like to try to upgrade them, but at $1k for the pair is more than I want to spend and I'm not sure I have the expertise to upgrade the parts / make a new board. However, I would like to do the other upgrades (NoRez, wiring, tube connectors)...will that help the speakers, and is it an option?
@dannyrichie9743
Жыл бұрын
@@bkline3147 That will really help.
Their description says its built with hdf wood? T\F?
$765 each isn’t really budget. I think the Emotiva line is a better value.
@dextermorgan1
Жыл бұрын
Have you heard either one? The Monoprice speakers sound really good. The Emotiva products are OK. There's nothing wrong with them at all but they don't sound exceptionally good like these do. The Emotiva uses cheaper x over parts too. I have friends with both speakers. To all of us that listen to them, everyone agrees the Monoprice are a significant improvement over Emotiva.
@bearclaw5115
Жыл бұрын
I have sent back or sold every Emotiva speaker I have purchased except the B1+ and I'm not a huge fan of them either. Their speakers range from junk to just ok if you ask me. Under 2,000 a pair is budget. Not to say that's cheap, it's just that speakers below that tend to have a compromise or two to hit the price point.
Monolith Subs are better than SVS take a look!
@RegondiMusic
Жыл бұрын
yes I have the Monolith Sub ver 2 10 inch and my friend the SVS about the same price and specs. The SVS sub is very weak.
@anonymous007advice
Жыл бұрын
@@RegondiMusic I compared them with Subwoofer benchmark SPL Tests...from their budget entry level to their flagship models and Monolith wins at virtually every price point and is better priced as well. (This comming from a current and long term SVS fan and owner since my first Sub PB12/Plus2 back in 2005.) But today i'd be buying Monoprice Monolith Subs without question!
@ricksmith7659
Жыл бұрын
Blasphemy... Lol. I've been seeing RSL Speedwoofer reviews saying the same thing and now you talking about Monolith being better. I use 2 SB1000 Pros because they are very small for a 12" sub.
@dextermorgan1
Жыл бұрын
I've been screaming that for years now. Monoprice subs are amazing. Especially for their price. Ive bought 3 so far.
@anonymous007advice
Жыл бұрын
@@ricksmith7659 RSL does pretty good too, watch them.
Pity not bi ampable capable...
Measurements don’t show radiation pattern
@dannyrichie9743
Жыл бұрын
The off axis measurements give you that data.
@hom2fu
Жыл бұрын
that's 1 aspect. it also depend room size + furniture.
@dannyrichie9743
Жыл бұрын
@@hom2fu The room certainty has everything to do with the in room response, but the room responses is not part of speaker measurements.
Third, but who cares, I'm here for the video...
GUY ARE YOU HIGH? THIS IS THE BEST SPEAKER FOR $700 FOR 1 OR $1,400 FOR A PAIR YOU GET 7 SPEAKERS FOR EACH TOWER. THE SOUND AND CLARITY FROM THESE SPEAKERS WOULD MAKE YOU THINK THEY WERE ABOUT $3,000-3,500 .
@dannyrichie9743
7 ай бұрын
Yet, they left a lot of room for improvement.
First
@hifiman4562
Жыл бұрын
First reply.
@Take-the-Ticket
Жыл бұрын
@@hifiman4562 Comment
Second
Many times on your comments about different louspeakers you receive to test or to improve, particularly on lower priced boxes, you complain about the thickness of the wooden walls, particularly the lateral ones. Very few, even from brands like ATC, add some kind of anti-resonant wood plate, or even dowels, to dampen the walls. So the walls resonate when you knock on them, and certainly with music. Adding large horizontal wooden pieces inside an existing commercial box would decrease the volume, though just using two 1" thick dowels, forcefully pushed in without any glue would help a lot and eat up little volume. More effective than using Nores, I think. But there's another solution that could be used on several resonant points on the box wall, even front to back, that might work marvels. Using a galvanized steel threaded bars, 1/4" thick, bought by feet or meter, then cut to the extension of the box walls separation. Two 1/4" bolts per end. You tighten the second end's external bolt till resonance is lowest, and then tighten the internal bolts. www.amazon.co.uk/Threaded-Galvanized-Strength-Diameter-Locking/dp/B0BCQRGQ62/ref=sr_1_1?crid=MIFULAL6YY10&keywords=galvanized+threaded+bar&qid=1687888632&sprefix=galvanized+threaded+bar%2Caps%2C329&sr=8-1 Of course you have to embed the external bolts on the wood, which will depend on the external wood finish, which is an important issue. But the gain you will have in deadness is considerable. Worth thinking of a way to do it on your box. Carlos E. Martinez
@dannyrichie9743
Жыл бұрын
Stiffening up the walls with braces breaks up the resonances and pushes them up to higher frequency ranges, but a product like No Rez is still needed and very effective at damping out the resonances.
So $1500 USD a pair five years ago and the idea is for these speakers to sound good you need to build an entire outboard crossover network and if that's not bad enough you have to pay more money for the privilege of doing so. 45 years ago I went to the now Iconic Bay Bloor Radio in Toronto Ontario Canada and sat down in a listening room with a switching module in my lap and previewed a dozen or so speakers listening to an LP I brought from home and switched from speaker pair to speaker pair with the same track playing and based on what I heard picked the best sounding speakers out of the group bought them took them home and never looked back on that purchase. That is how you as an individual need to buy speakers, your ears are never mentioned in these videos and the truth is everyone's ears and hearing is different from each other and for that single irrefutable truth you can cut out all this confusing technological rabbit hole insanity which is for people who are never satisfied, can never spend enough money and painfully more true, never agree with each other on what sounds the best. Don't believe me? There are dozens of audio Gods on the internet that think Danny is full of shit and their are dozens of audio Gods that think those Gods are full of shit and on and on and on it goes forcing you to chose which Audio Gods religion you will buy into and that cash investment " NOT YOUR HAPPINESS " is what these guys and this industry is all about. You are not going into an audio retailers facility with a battery of electronic testing equipment looking for scientific data your ears will never hear. All you have between parting with your money and being happy about it is " YOUR EARS " so? use them, make a choice that makes you happy and never look back.
I love Monolith but I love GR better 🫶