If somehow Valve allow the community update again... That will be nice, L4D already got that why not TF2 too

@browniegp9762

2 жыл бұрын

maybe because valve wants to update it :pray:

@raee_r

2 жыл бұрын

The bad thing is that they already did that, with the Invasion Update and... well, we all know what happened and what people did, so I don't think valve would again give the community the chance to update the game, or maybe yes, I mean, the community of TF2 is amazing and really creative with their creations, so there is possibility of valve cooperating again with the community to update de game.

@financialzero5684

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah a ton of people have made custom weapons! Didn’t valve have some kinda contest before like that?

@user-qc8jd5tw6s

2 жыл бұрын

Valve does not trust the TF2 community since Everytime the community has made an update it's been lack luster or horrible

@marcelosolaralister5967

2 жыл бұрын

@@raee_r yeah but there were like a whole bunch of community updates, you cant just let that one bad experience ruin this great concept, we can never regain that trust if they dont give us the chance

TF2 is literally the definition of this L4D2 quote: “I have not… Come this far… To die now.”

@zOOpygOOpert

2 жыл бұрын

"No coffin can contain me!"

@ultraferal6138

2 жыл бұрын

that’s actually a really good way of putting it

@My_2007_7

2 жыл бұрын

"Back from the death and reporting for duty!"

@internetcringe3941

2 жыл бұрын

it is also this quote "ima be a cheeseburger" - coach

@user-nd8uh7yx1h

2 жыл бұрын

@@internetcringe3941 Wut?

It just always leaves a bad taste in my mouth how the only updates that get real attention nowadays are the only updates that involve the market in some way. That is to say, they're the only aspects where Valve directly profits with this game (which they themselves don't even put in effort to create or even play-test). They've done SOME small bug fixes and whatnot here and there, but considering how a massively popular and profitable game USUALLY gets treated, it's still far below what should be expected from maintenance (aka, oh idk, dealing with bots?). It's a shame, really, the only thing the game truly needs now is just to be consistently playable, which it currently isn't Also I love the idea of Altitude being permanent. I haven't played on it too much, but in my few times playing, it seemed like SUCH a good map. Nice layout and REALLY cool setting. Hope they do that

@gaga_685

2 жыл бұрын

I just hope that they finally stop neglecting this Master piece.

@BigBroccoli_

2 жыл бұрын

Tf2 is just capitalism simulator and you can also shoot some people if you want

@tensealience9874

2 жыл бұрын

Valve just turned into ea

@neurononymous8496

2 жыл бұрын

The thing is as a company they probably think if they're hitting their highest player counts with just minor updates they don't need any more developers. It's really sad but that's just how corporations are I guess

@TheSkypetube

2 жыл бұрын

Valve is like a anarcho-capatilist nation at its endgame

They'll never truly solve the bot problem only by applying patches to TF2. What really enables these bots is how vulnerable Steam is to account automation. That's what needs patching. If Steam had better systems to flag automated accounts and stop them from getting access to community/multiplayer features (like game servers, the community market, forums...) we wouldn't be having this issue. People get fixated on the TF2 part of the problem, but bots are an issue everywhere on Steam, really.

@LordVader1094

2 жыл бұрын

You couldn't be more right, honestly

@justusbladetooth

2 жыл бұрын

Issue with that is the harder you make it for legit people to participate, the worse you make the service. So it's a double-edge, yes you make the platform less prone to bot issues but then genuine folks attempting to say...place their genuine opinions on a topic relating to a product they care about suddenly become silenced as the system detects it as 'bots' and people get banned. It's a side effect of the fact steam is the single most successful digital storefront, a victim of its own progress. Really, I can't think of a good answer, and I'm pretty sure greater men than us are likewise uncertain.

@Buglin_Burger7878

2 жыл бұрын

That doesn't really work. Any step you make is something the fake accounts adapt to. In turn automation is undone... or bot users would manually make accounts.

@OldSchoolTF2

2 жыл бұрын

@@Buglin_Burger7878 manually making accounts takes way more effort and reduces their ability to mass spam on the platform. If they had to resort to that, it would still be a huge win for Steam and its users.

@chuckclift2018

2 жыл бұрын

The bots aren't exactly subtle, so valve could do some analysis on the server side to kick snipers who are spinning, snapping to people's heads, and have insane K/D ratios.

It's sad to see Valve missing a huge opportunity here. Giving what the community wants could keep those numbers or even raise them a tad bit more. Investing is apparently not a thing to them anymore, sadly.

@jordonsanchez5232

2 жыл бұрын

Monke

@Termskii_balls

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah it is disappointing, so many times they could’ve done something big

@Monkey_XDD

2 жыл бұрын

@@Termskii_balls Well not like a big update, fixing the bots, adding new maps to casual, giving us maybe 2 hat + warpaint cases for all of us to enjoy. Like they know if they just add a case, the community will go crazy about it. If they can just make the game playable it's a win!

@melon3860

2 жыл бұрын

@@Monkey_XDD what if valve add new craftable hat

@Termskii_balls

2 жыл бұрын

@@Monkey_XDD Exactly! There’s so much they could’ve done better that they would’ve benefited much more off of, and yet they didn’t do it.

I absolutely love the random patches and bug fixes, god knows tf2 needs them

@BigJoeySlaps

2 жыл бұрын

Hopefully Valve agrees to just copy/paste off Team Comtress' notes someday. That'd fix so much

@Garfewloid

2 жыл бұрын

@UCrpmCpr97yXjADmvlOZni6g At least they're doing SOMETHING. They could just leave it to die

@Boomrainbownuke9608

2 жыл бұрын

@@Garfewloid looks like that person. tucked their tail between their legs and ran.

@Garfewloid

2 жыл бұрын

@@Boomrainbownuke9608 lmao

@hoavy3081

2 жыл бұрын

@@BigJoeySlaps could also break a lot of stuff if not put in properly

It hurts my heart to see such a time tested game get so neglected. There are only a few online shooters that have really passed this test with an A+. CSGO and TF2 are the only two I can think of right now.

@Florescentia02

2 жыл бұрын

the other tf2 (titanfall 2) while only being 5 years old has also been pretty much abandoned as well. i have a feeling that it will be in a similair state, especially since its also being attacked by DDOSers. damn shame too

@illurinatibeans4667

2 жыл бұрын

TF2 is the most popular game released in the early 2000s (except maybe CSGO), remains extremely high on the popularity list, and is constantly being bombarded by new players. Yet Valve does nothing, just because it's an old game. If they released another big update, I'm positive that they would make more money than signing on with Battlefield 2042. Hell, they might even break records from the past five years because of how popular TF2 is today.

@slavi8433

2 жыл бұрын

@@Florescentia02 crazy how tf2 and tf2 are so familiar with their situation, zero updates on both, hackers and ddosing , bots.

@roby4504

2 жыл бұрын

@@illurinatibeans4667 Well, late 2000s. I also agree on the last part, if it's reached it's *peak* playerbase after *14 god damn years* , only on that small summer update, then I wonder what will happen next if we get another big update.

@pingus9934

2 жыл бұрын

Halo 3 multiplayer cough cough

>highest ever "player" numbers >unavoidable bot infestation Need I explain?

@indrickboreale7381

2 жыл бұрын

Now TF2 casual is Mann vs Machine with extra steps

@alekto979

2 жыл бұрын

Woule be interisting to know the real numbers

@drunken-raccoon

2 жыл бұрын

That date that it hit the highest records if I'm not mistaken was on the day that they made an update that straight up crashed all the automated players.

@jJotka

2 жыл бұрын

@@indrickboreale7381 basically MvM on steroids, but only bots are op

@user-en1mj8uc5f

2 жыл бұрын

actually...watch the video "why is tf2 still growing", and itll explain the graphs. the player numbers are ACTUALLY growing.

Well, TF2 *was* in the top 5 games when I wrote this script... lol

@blacklight683

2 жыл бұрын

Where is it now?

@Breakaway-ic5gj

2 жыл бұрын

@@The_Last_Lemon ok

@mentlegen1632

2 жыл бұрын

@@blacklight683 between 11 to 4

Your optimism towards this game surprises me every time man Hell, it even kinda makes me optimistic

@BigJoeySlaps

2 жыл бұрын

I've tried to be man, but Valve certainly doesn't make it easy anymore

@tacotuesday2489

2 жыл бұрын

@@BigJoeySlaps Don't worry.. My biggest dream is that valve loses custody of its cash cow because of porn websites and child porn bots.. Plus the racists ones.. And who knows it might return to its old self.. Run by a bunch of people who not only wanna play the game but wanna make it fun.. Plus it would probably be a big punch in the gut for them and it might just wake them up..

@tmkay_

2 жыл бұрын

@@tacotuesday2489 hoping for cp bots is pretty fucked up bro

@heylittleguy26

2 жыл бұрын

@@tmkay_ they already exist, he's saying that he hopes valve gets sued for them. Still fucked up but less so

@tacotuesday2489

2 жыл бұрын

@@heylittleguy26 thank you

TF2 is like that one friend who has been at your side for 20+ years and even tho he has been through the worst shit, he is still smiling

@trashmann1081

2 жыл бұрын

lost a leg and an arm, has god knows how many illnesses, and is barely kicking as is, but somehow that son of a bitch is still smilin' his ass off.

@luciferhuey6285

2 жыл бұрын

@@trashmann1081 because he got a family

@cromestone1684

2 жыл бұрын

@@luciferhuey6285 and good friends like u anyway i have a question i have never played tf2 shud i download and play it

@ayylmao8837

2 жыл бұрын

@@cromestone1684 yes you should at least try it. Trust me you wont find any game as unique as TF2

@cromestone1684

2 жыл бұрын

@@ayylmao8837 yea I downloaded it it's pretty good game but too many bots

I had a dream once that the Community came together, and rebuilt the game from the ground up as TF3. It was glorious. Then I woke up

@Timepickles

2 жыл бұрын

Read this in Tommy Lee Jones voice at the end of No Country For Old Men

@elijahforzani6547

2 жыл бұрын

@@Timepickles great joke

@chosedfolk1561

2 жыл бұрын

When a videogame is having so many issues to the point where those issues are projected into the human subconscious and people have begun to dream of a better team fortress. The absolute state of tf2

@aceplante

2 жыл бұрын

TF2 Classic!!

@tariqrahim223

2 жыл бұрын

Dude, check out TFS2. They're rebuilding TF2 from the ground up in S&ndbox (Gmod successor that runs on source 2), and it looks really promising right now.

I'm an Overwatch player, but always gotta come back and give respect to the King! Stay strong TF2!

@nexusthenormie5578

2 жыл бұрын

i play both games personally, tho tf2 is always my first love in gaming, and i feel like Tf2 is in a better spot than overwatch XD

@MarianKnighty

2 жыл бұрын

@@nexusthenormie5578 very true, honestly both games could use some improvements.

@DNDpaintmichigan

2 жыл бұрын

Finally, a worthy opponent. Our battle shall be legendary!

@Jws20

2 жыл бұрын

Why can’t more people be like this?

@thecannedslap

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jws20 we can’t go one day without insulting overwatch.

Very nice video, you pointed out effectively which are the principal tf2's problems, but, you didn't mention that now bots CANNOT be kicked anymore. Yesterday i struggled for so many minutes trying to find a game without any bot, because now only 1 of them became a problem.

@mintcondition7789

2 жыл бұрын

Please explain because I haven’t played in a while.

@panagamer203

2 жыл бұрын

@@mintcondition7789 kzread.info/dash/bejne/q5Oqy5huoq_IhZM.html

@user-bo6vy5eg8g

2 жыл бұрын

@@mintcondition7789 The bots come in groups, and when you attempt to votekick one, it will quit the server. Once another bot reports the kick having ended, it will rejoin the server

@berteveraert3410

2 жыл бұрын

I only play community servers at this point, try uncletopia (lots of sweats there though)

@The_Janitor3

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-bo6vy5eg8g not even that, You just cannot kick them, the vote could be 8-1 and it would still fail

I just want new developers. It's obvious that Valve's work policy is simply incompatible with a game like TF2. The TF team is so small now, that it's been almost half a decade since the last real major update. Valve needs to hire another studio that understands TF2 and gets the playerbase, as well as having the manpower to properly support it outside of workshop items.

@frankhorriganenjoyer

2 жыл бұрын

*Mannpower

@iminumst7827

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. As long as the new developers aren't dumb.

@iminumst7827

2 жыл бұрын

@Insomniac ? No.

When you pointed out the elevated sentry spot on Bread Space, my initial reaction was something to the effect of “Dude that’s so cool I want to do that :D”

@tailnowag8753

2 жыл бұрын

okay cool samwiz1, but did you get the obvious loss reference on the map? with you track record, I think not

@CallMeKumi_

2 жыл бұрын

Oh look, it’s Sam

Smissmas 2021 completely killed any hopes I had for a major, themed update from Valve. But why only now? Bread Space. The fact that such a map that should have only ever made it into the game through a space update was added alongside a bunch of Christmas/winter maps really shows that Valve has no intention of sticking to any sort of theme. I didn’t think this last year with Pier, though, as Pier is a very standard map - it fits with the rest of the maps already in the main map pool. This isn’t entirely bad, though, as it means we could continue to get more extravagant maps during Smissmas. I hope for a Frontline map next year.

@engineergaming3820

2 жыл бұрын

Im not quite sure but I think smissmas was never about only christmas maps, they add some, but theey also add some unrelated community maps, like pier last year

@Everik-ct6pg

2 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure that from now on, they'll add at least one map that does not fit the Smissmas theme on a smissmas update, then when it ends add it to normal map rotation. It's what's most likely going to happen to bread space, and possibly some other maps from this year's selection.

@chocox6491

2 жыл бұрын

Old smissmas maps didnt really use to be themed like foundry

love altitude. I hope it gets added

@benjamincollins4608

2 жыл бұрын

Me too

@aSmallGreenDot

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Garfield :)

@DutchZeringer

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, Altitude is great.

@angzarrpsyco

2 жыл бұрын

Altitude is personally a mix. But it's for the most part pretty solid. Just a thing here or there to make it a perfect map

@XxguaxinimxX.

2 жыл бұрын

same here!

It's actually quite sad too see how people stick together even tho the devs have left it behind. TF2 was my first pc game and I hate to see it in the state that it's in. I prey for this community you guys deserve better then this.

@poyloos4834

2 жыл бұрын

Idk, most games are like this. The devs update the game for a time, then they move on and the community remains. Yeah the bots are bad, but it’s been worked on for 10 years, and left for 5

Out of all of the new maps, I’d love to see Bread Space become a permanent map, once it’s bugs and issues get patched up. It’s such a fun and creatively designed map.

@frankhorriganenjoyer

2 жыл бұрын

My only complaint with it is it just feels confusing and some areas are hellish when there are enemy snipers

@skxptic1

2 жыл бұрын

I agree bread space is fun. They just need to work on the issues and bugs of course

We should appreciate the fact that they are fixing bugs and I praise that janitor who's cleaning tf2 mess

@thecluckster3908

2 жыл бұрын

I feel like the janitor cleans all the stains, but leaves out the trash pile named bots and only sometimes tries to clean it because it’s too big to clean with only himself.

@Dr_Dan_

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed, we need to act more gentle to the few last devs that work on pure enthusiasm

@Breakaway-ic5gj

2 жыл бұрын

Janitor is doing pretty good considering the Spaghetti code. But they should try balance changes like nerfing Scorch Shot.

@ericbutts6996

2 жыл бұрын

But it's not valve fixing the problems. It's one guy doing this for no money probably working overtime. Thank him. Don't thank valve.

@Chris-jl6vp

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly I feel like being content with the bare minimum being done isn't enough.

At this point I still have hope, the potential of this game is incredible and it pisses me off that valve misses it. Maybe they are discouraged by competition of other cartoony like shooters like Ow or fortnite but they haven't even tried.

@BigJoeySlaps

2 жыл бұрын

I don't even think it's that tbh - I think they just make more money off other projects, and they know they don't really have to do much for TF2 to continue thriving

@robsterslobsters6014

2 жыл бұрын

@@BigJoeySlaps but thats tee superficial idea that they keep sleeping on. They could make more money off or tf2 and thet can arguably have a better rep for keeping the game going without the expense of our disappointment.

@Kitsune_Chara_CG

2 жыл бұрын

@@BigJoeySlaps Well But What they dont realise (Although im now comparing it to a mobile game) Tap Titans or clash royale are both free games to Theyre good games and when a game is good people naturally wanna invest. i invested 50 euros into tap titans to skip fairy ads since they kinda have to get money somehow and tap titans 2 isnt as old as tf2 but still if theyd work On TF2 More Players would go: Yeah imma spend money on keys or cosmetics. Besides not having a PC or laptop to play games with tf2 ran mostly fine on my shitty laptop a few Years ago and nowadays id even spend Money Its a Shame Really I even dueled some of my classmates 2-3 years ago in tf2 Point is if theyd put more work into the game theyd also get much more Money.

@blockhead134

2 жыл бұрын

Dota and CSGO have very lucrative microtransaction and competative scenes. That, combined with Steam the money printer makes TF2 basically pennies for pennies at this point

@poyloos4834

2 жыл бұрын

Except for the bots, tf2 is a finished game in their eyes. They worked on it for a decade. I don’t think they’re assholes just for benefiting from their successful project

The seasonal updates actually freak me out. Anytime anything new is added to this game, its some halloween or christmas thing. More and more and more each year, while normal content is almost never added. This is slowly changing the ratio and it's looking like a dystopian nightmare to me. Think about it, years from now in the future, when people come back to this game or try it out to see the history, their reaction will be "Oh my god, why is more than half of every map and cosmetic in this game either heavily halloween or chistmas themed?"

TF2 is a game I love and still have fun playing, even with its rocky times. It baffles me how so many things have happened to TF2, both good and bad, and yet it continues to stay strong. Even if TF2 is in the state it's in, I'll still continue to enjoy this game. Also, here's to hoping Altitude becomes a mainstay.

The reality is that tf2 is a finished game in valve's eyes, and that's understandable given that in 2017 it was ten years old. All it needs now is a fix to the bot plague and I'd be happy

@woobgamer5210

2 жыл бұрын

only issue is, Heavy hasnt gotten his own update yet, Scout hasnt had one for over a decade now, sniper hasnt gotton one either, and Spy is such a buggy class he needs a whole rework

@CJTheReal

2 жыл бұрын

Thank God we haven't had to deal with team fortress 3-16 supplanting each previous game every year like certain other online shooters I could mention.

I like the new maps, at least the ones I've tried so far. But I would prefer if they just gave us one or two really polished and optimized maps in stead of a handfull of maps that have bugs and issues. I also quite dislike the cosmetics in the new case

Someone: actually makes an entire code that will fix thd bot problem Valve: that's sweet, I don't care

@daftcowboy2990

2 жыл бұрын

Wait fr?

@mythos951

2 жыл бұрын

Is that true? I don’t know how coding works, so have no idea how that would work.

@vidjenko8349

2 жыл бұрын

I know mastercoms practically fixed most of the huge performance bugs but idk anything about bots

@neo-luddismrules

2 жыл бұрын

@@vidjenko8349 it was some other guy, dunno I forgot

@OveRaDaMaNt

2 жыл бұрын

@@neo-luddismrules so you just made up and posted some random shit to get upvotes? Fucking lol.

i really love your positivity and general good messages with these sort of videos; instead of "tf2 is dying, and we're in an awful place and shouldn't have hope", it's giving us all moral reinforcement and hope for possible future updates, and at the very least this game's community. keep up the good vibes, man!

As someone who still plays Heroes of the Storm, who remembers that game, I know the feeling about a game feeling abandoned by devs. I stopped playing TF2 about the time the bot problem started but I still love this game to death. I hope devs start realizing that some games aren’t worth just hanging out to dry because people clearly still love them.

@Subject_Keter

2 жыл бұрын

I know! Hots really never had anything wrong but since they werent making gold off it, well atleast it still funm

@turtlememes2334

2 жыл бұрын

hots at least has balance patches *cries in sc2*

@ChellyBean

2 жыл бұрын

HotS had such amazing potential, but it came out near the end of the MOBA craze. I feel like if it came out in like 2012-2013, it could have carved out a stronger player base It's different from LoL and DOTA, requiring a lot more emphasis on Teamwork and Objectives, plus a much larger map selection *Tychus voice* "Damn shame..." Damn shame

@TheAmusingLobster

2 жыл бұрын

Hots was made to be casual and blizzard tried to make a competitive scene (for that sweet tournament money) for it rather than help the community naturally grow its own competitive scene. Honestly reminds me of the competitive update for tf2, and how casual servers were anything but casual.

If we currently need a "State of TF2" video almost every year that means tf2 isn't exactly in his best spot

I personally wonder if Valve would do something if the numbers suddenly drop or if the TF2 Market just stop for a time. Because it comes to a point where "Why put so much effort in an update they will hate?Let it be , it's just growing by itself."

I’ve not been playing long enough to be around for any major update, but I really hope they do. I would love to feel the experience of getting new content besides community maps and cosmetics

3:55 damn that medic went super deep tho, also it’s sad and happy to see the current state of TF2. Good to see new players and rising player counts and articles talking about it but sad to see nothing really noteworthy in terms of updates. With all that said I’ll still keep playing and I have for years with breaks in between. Maybe if things keep going up it will help valve realize that they should definitely put more time in games that have more longevity that others.

"TF2's in the best and worst place its ever been" *He's a little confused but he's got the spirit*

@StormTeeVee

2 жыл бұрын

Redditors when making the worst jokes known to man

@ThatFoxxoLeo

2 жыл бұрын

The fuck does this even mean?

@mariobros68

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThatFoxxoLeo That mean we most remove that comment, cause it's confuse for new players

@hugemeansteve6275

2 жыл бұрын

He isn't confused he's making alot of sense actually

@OutlawedPoet

2 жыл бұрын

What in the world are you on about? How is he confused? It's pretty much the perfect way to summarize TF2's current state. Highest player counts of all time, but little to no updates.

Great video summing everything up Joey. Hopefully one day, Valve will finally decide to give TF2 a little bit more than mere bug fixes and seasonal updates. Also I’m with you one keeping Altitude as a permanent map! Definitely my favourite new map this year.

Ive been playing the game off and on for years, but finally got REALLY in on it about 5 years ago. As of about a months or so ago, all of my items are completely gone. I joined a server on casual, was logged out of steam, and couldn't log back in like, 2 weeks. When I finally got it back, i reconfigured 2fa, but all of my items and unusuals that were worth a damn (including one from a friend that had passed away) had been traded away to some, what i assume to be, disposable middle-man account. That was the point I lost my hope. But it's nice to see that people still have it. Keep up the amazing work, Joey. Seriously.

interested how this year's state video u were so chill in it, showing how much u've grown as a content creator in these recent years and about tf2 even if the patches that valve is doing are small they're still enough to show to the community that they haven't forgotten this game and thus the community staying there, but not for long that is i hope one day stuff would change for the better in the future

i wish for a large bug/bot fix update first, then finally giving some lovin' to my old main heavy, god knows he needs it.

A really calm and chill aproach. Really liked the video and backround music, it really gives the effect like somone is speaking from the bottom of of they'r heart. Good job! :)

It genuinely breaks my heart to see how little attention valve gives my all time favorite game

Hey Joey. hoping you read this. I'd say im in a bit of a unique place as far as TF2 players go. I actually joined towards this time last year, and quickly fell in love with the game. It was so unique, and I was so mad I didn't give it a chance years earlier. It quickly rose to the top most played game on my steam list and I was sinking 40+ hours a week into it. I sank money into cosmetics and crates because I enjoyed it so greatly. I missed the golden days but I still had fun having joined it just then. Then the bot crisis got worse. I, like many new people, spent a lot of time on 2fort. Bots targeted there heavily because, well, 2fort is always popular, so I figured at around a few hundred hours in, I'd really start to play other gamemodes and maps. It was okay for a bit, and then the bots got worse again. I figured i'd give community servers a try then too, but that was also no Cigar, and only raised its own issues. Community servers are, in my eyes, a blessing and a curse. They are a safehaven from bots, and you can find anything, but the issue that I ran into, that I fear many other players possibly joining the game right around now, is that community servers are filled with tryhards for lack of a better term. I don't say this in an insulting way to them, but it is the best way I can convey it. By the time I really started getting into community servers, I was at about 700 hours in, and I quickly realized that a LOT of the people in community servers were so much better than me. People with thousands, several thousands of hours were seemingly not even uncommon in some places. Many community servers were so loaded with plugins and addons like RTD or anything else that it was awful, and the few good ones, like Uncletopia, well, I don't have great wifi, so I can't get into Uncletopia 95% of the time, and even there it's a more intense feeling that casual TF2 is. It drove me away from the game. At this point, after it becoming my most played game in under a year, compared to my other games that I owned for several before it, It ended up going from my favorite, to a point of anger for me. It was a vicious cycle. I'd want to play, and spend 10 minutes playing before I became angry. I would server hop but servers were either empty or full and the full ones likely had aforementioned skilled players with several thousand hours. No insult meant to those who have played the game much longer than me, but I stand no chance against people that skilled. I ended up stuck between trying for hours to find one or two good casual matches, or go into community servers knowing I would be outmatched and not enjoy it. In almost exactly a year, it became my most played game, and was promptly uninstalled because I could no longer bare to play it. I'm still hoping something happens with it. Deep down I enjoy the game, I still watch TF2 youtubers, but I can't enjoy it myself. Casual is busted and I can seemingly never find a community server where I won't get stomped by OG players also avoiding the busted casual. I hope for the sake of other new players that I have only had a bad experience, but I can't imagine it's the case. If valve truly fixed it, I would come back in a heartbeat. I love this game, and I hate this game. I want nothing more than to play it but I don't even want to boot it up as it is. One of the best games of all time has been relegated to the back burner despite a rekindled popularity. I just wish that valve could fix it, I feel that given a single really good update, the game and community would have its renaissance, but nobody knows what valve is doing anymore, and it saddens me.

@nukkonyan

2 жыл бұрын

:(

@tailnowag8753

2 жыл бұрын

Oh boy that is so similar to my story, but I can sorta handle the RTD plugin on Samwiz1's server, but that was like 6 months ago cause my laptop is in it's (maybe?) dying crys and wifi is horrid for me. though I think I may try the offline practice maps and then when I am feeling good try to dive into the dumpster fire of *the online*

@freeutopia

2 жыл бұрын

Joined too late bud.

Man Altitude is well done There is so much plus it's screaming to be a permanent map please add it Valve

TF2 will always have a special spot in my heart. Legitimately the only video game I miss. The community and being a regular on a few servers was so fun

I never really write comments often, but this video and this yt channel definitely deserves some love. I haven't been subscribed to this channel for longest time unlike others. But it is wonderful to see so many content creators and other youtubers talk about TF2. I remember when I found out about TF2, it just kinda popped up in my youtube many years ago. I loved the game even though I have yet to play it. AND when I did play it, my gosh was it so much better than watching videos online about it. This game holds a special place in my heart, and I'm sure that is the same for so many other people too. Cheers to you Big Joey, and cheers to the entire tf2 community.

there is one word: “communication”. how long was it since they went full Gordon Freeman on us?

1 year since last major update: this is pretty normal 2 years since last major update: it’s taking valve quite awhile to update TF2 3 years since last major update: there’s still some hope 4 years since last major update (aka now): all hope is lost

@MayW15663

2 жыл бұрын

The tf2 community went through all stages of grief

@randomdudeontheinternet.mp4

2 жыл бұрын

@@MayW15663 true

It feels like a turning point now. We’ve heard so much, like, “oh they’re working on it just give them time, stay positive”. But that just doesn’t work anymore, we’ve given too many excuses, it’s clear we may never get another update, and if we do, it’ll be not until a long time.

I just started playing recently and I find its really fun, I just really hope they fix stuff like all the bots soon

Its November 15th of 2022 and still bots everywhere

I have always been a fan of tf2 for years and I would always come back to play tf2 I want to see it thrive because of how unique it is but, it’s just sad to see what’s happening with the bots,some map bugs, or even the cosmetics that are put in the game, honestly I love tf2 and the only way I would stop would be if the game was only bots or if valve pulled the plug in this beautiful game.

Tf2 has been a big part of my childhood even before I knew what it was, I watched meet the team over and over because it made me laugh so hard when I was young without even knowing what it was or there was a game attached to these videos, once I found out I immediately downloaded because I got to play as there funny little characters who made me laugh by screaming and shooting baby’s. And now a couple years later and seeing how the game is doing, it’s sad to think that when I was laughing at meet the teams videos, tf2 was at its peak and prime and I don’t think I’ll ever get to experience that again.

@FortworthYT

2 жыл бұрын

At least you get to experience that, cherish it forever my man.

For a while now I have had an idea of creating bots that only go for and kill other bots, but I do not have any experience in that field

i wish there was new weapons in the games we have been waiting for them for a very long time

@OutlawedPoet

2 жыл бұрын

I'd rather take a full rebalance for the weapons we already have. TF2 already has a lot of weapons, most of which are really underwhelming.

@scout4393

2 жыл бұрын

@@OutlawedPoet i agree

I just wish we could get some closure on if we will get another major update, and not this limbo of faint hope that valve will do something

I followed this game for almost a decade before I was finally able to join the game last November. I stuck to training mode for a long time but finally racked up the courage to play casual. Now I'm buying cosmetics, taunts, finding extreme places to rancho relaxo, and having a grand time- but the bots are ruining the experience. The other day I had to leave five servers in a row since they were utterly infected by disco-spamming name-stealing vote-kicking aim-hacking bots. The tryhards who crash your conga line are bad enough. What I think should be done is bots are forced to play in segregated lobbies where they can only play against other bots, and they get the worst item drops. All we need is a way to reliably detect bots and get them out.

Tf2 turns 15 years old on October 10th, 2022. If they haven’t released a major update by then or by on that date, then we can be pretty damn sure Valve never will.

It’s 4am BUT NO MATTER! FOR GARGANTUAN JOSEPHIROTH HAS UPLOADED!

I would like a weapon update more weapons and class options will make people get back into the game and have the concurrent players get more into it, just having to use the same things over and over isnt the best thing.

I have only been around for about a year now exactly and it sort of scares me a bit exceptionally with the bots. They have found a work around for getting vote kicked again with most of the votes not going through. It will really sadden me to know that I would have been playing the last years of a game that I have fallen in love with.

Also, I don't know if this is just me, but the tf2 points store is no longer opening. I was going to purchase like a sticker or something, and the points shop wasn't opening. Well, it opened, but it didn't show any of the products.

It’s sad that gaben abandoned one of the bests shooter games

@B0LTz

2 жыл бұрын

Like, TF2 is better than CSGO but the company are not seeing it

I really hope valve makes major updates for tf2 in the future, it is my favourite game in the world and I hate to see it be neglected by valve. It deserves better.

If another large content update were to update I’d feel like it’d coincide with the launch of the SteamDeck. As what better way to show off its capabilities then to release new games or do updates to your most popular ones. This part is gonna be a stretch but I hope you can see where I am going with this. The SteamDeck is launching in February 2022, in winter. What’s a certain character’s country well known for? That’s right winter. And what about those cryptic map changes? Could they all be leading to something? Again that was a massive stretch but I do think there’s a low chance that something will come alongside the SteamDeck’s launch. Probably a small cosmetic for SteamDeck players but here’s to hoping that it is something larger.

I'd love to see Altitude and Cascade make the normal map rotation list. Defcon did some fantastic work with them.

Altitude deserves to be in the casual map pool, it's a great map

Tbh im not sure if this is worthwhile posting but ill go for it anyway myself and a mate today were talking about the state of tf2 and he brought up a point of why would valve bother updating an old game with spaghetti code when it still makes them money anyway and I recon he's right but idk

Anyone notice all the new character audibles this year? I've heard several really funny and clever ones i hadn't heard before.

well csgo got an update recently and l4d got one earlier last year i think and in one of the steam deck promotional videos it shows tf2 which could be a hint since this is the first time they recognized tf2 since 2015. but chances are im wrong

I will say this, the next “mager” update should be a bot update where sniper bots in MVM just spin like they do in casual.

@tailnowag8753

2 жыл бұрын

yeah it could be some really nice animations

@QWERTY708100

2 жыл бұрын

@@tailnowag8753 itd fuck over the snipers of MVM, since even in that game sniper counter sniper. itd just make them harder to headshot

@tailnowag8753

2 жыл бұрын

@@QWERTY708100 well the snipers couldn't shoot right either because they would be too dizzy

this is gonna be fun

We have to just wait and see

I also enjoyed tf2 and like most is maybe the war painting, or at least the cheaper ones that I can get. Same with cosmetics, but I’m the only one of my friend group that plays it. Even than I haven’t really play tf2 since my account and steam guard got broken into and majority of my items were stolen/trade away. A Collection that took year to accumulate, and nothing I or steam can do to get my stuff back. Some friends are no longer around type shit, gone to some bot trader or something back in October. Sorry for dumbing this here I still a little upset about and why it’s hard for me to get back in to tf2. At least I still have my first unusual and australium axe with barbed wire

I can only expect Valve to continue piecemealing patches and slowly, so slowly, making the game better. But it's not much. A community update is our best chance; These maps show they're interesting in pulling large content patches from the community again after years of only cosmetics after JI, but it's also not the communities best; I wouldn't be shocked if their QA equates to looking at top rated or asking some janitor to pick out what looks fun without properly testing anything more than the lobby UI, possibly because the person working on the game doesn't have time to do anything else. But either way, TF2 won't die. It's pitiful how much TF2 gets compared to other games with similar or less numbers, but the community has kept it alive this far. I don't see that changing.

Just so you know, the player counter for tf2 is also programmed to count the bots playing the game so I’m not so sure about it having a good player base🤔

Altitude is nice, I really want Cascade added. It was even tested for competitive rosters before smismas. Maybe both?

I just started playing again after a year and a half because of your videos!! I hope valve can get their head out of their ass and come out with some better updates. I’m tired of the bots

Honestly I'm still hopeful for TF2. I haven't played actively since Meet Your Match because they absolutely ruined matchmaking in my opinion (and I will stand by this until they bring it back because there's NO reason disconnect everyone to switch maps every 3-4 rounds) and then the bots happened but I recently got back into it and I'm having a lot of fun again. Honestly I think the community might be a little too pessimistic lately, sure it would be nice to get some big updates but I never felt like that was the be all end all of TF2. It's still a fun game it still has at least 10 years worth of content and it's STILL a timeless masterpiece(tm). I haven't even had too many bot problems but it's only been a few days so my sample size is tiny. The point is TF2 is currently the same fun game it's been for years, the only problems are matchmaking and bots but frankly I think that the community will outlive the bots and I might be the only one this upset about matchmaking so that's whatever but if there's anything the Internet has taught me it's that TF2 will never EVER die.

I played a random pubs match today and halfway through some dude had the idea we all go spy and then the enemy did and by the end of it we had 24 spies all congaring around the cart for 10 minutes. Then with 30 seconds one man went rogue and it was pandemonium. TF2 is still very much alive :)

there's been a "community request" in a patch, so i'm hoping valve is still considering those whenever they update the game or better yet, *putting more work on tf2*

this rounds up the game basically. what my thoughts on this if valve does want to update it fully. i think the Heavy Update would just be the final update maybe, because its been over 4 years we asking something of this. it can be the biggest update with help from big creators (like u if valve is le epic) and maybe 3rd party balance mod team, and can just put the game to rest? cuz in the end if a heavy update does happen, whats next for the game? this mindset has dawned on me for the longest time, and is it considered in most discussions around tf2's worst problems? Its just a thought but willing to see what ppl think

I'm still a firm believer that we need a TF3. Even if it changes nothing about TF2's lore, gameplay, and map choice, but just a fresh start.

@F4sy

2 жыл бұрын

OpenFortress?

@OutlawedPoet

2 жыл бұрын

I'd rather take TF2 but ported to Source 2 with tons of optimizations and bug fixes rather than a TF3. No graphical updates, just on a less bloated engine with better optimization.

@williamcashin

2 жыл бұрын

@@OutlawedPoet yeah that too. That's kinda what I meant

Question one has to ask though, with the player count being higher and also significantly more bots in nearly every lobby, what is the TRUE player count? This is also not accounting for the AFK players who go to orange maps in order to get more drops (though idk how many of those still exist tbh)

@yanyreto6977

2 жыл бұрын

Bots arent even a fraction of tf2 playercout

@doctorbielen

2 жыл бұрын

How do we know this though? One would assume that as long as a user has steam open and has TF2 launched, its counting them as a player right? Or is there some other way that valve is able to account for them? Unless if ya mean there is only a small amount of bots, in which case...maybe the hyper spinning snipers shooting enemy invisible spies in a majority of my games aren't bots or I only see the same few.

@yanyreto6977

2 жыл бұрын

@@doctorbielen There are like 3-10 Bot hosters and like 500 bots max. They dont work 24/7 because hosters need to shut down computers.

@doctorbielen

2 жыл бұрын

@@yanyreto6977 Did not know that, I appreciate the info.

@yanyreto6977

2 жыл бұрын

@@doctorbielen No problem

*the monkeys paw curls as one of the devs notices that the Battle Royale game mode branchs hasn't been merged into the master yet*

They could make an update based on the bots like giving us cosmetics based on the mvm machines as well as their home base as a map they would also fix the bot problem through this update simply by putting in a better anti cheat

Dota dota counter strike - Valve

i hope the employees at valve stop focusing so much on the VR and steam deck projects and come back to their original source community yes the games are spaghetti and source is an unholy engine but what do valve fans really care about?

It kinda just hit that Jungle Inferno came out my freshman year of high school, and since then I've gone off to college.

I feel like tf2's update was actually removed at the start of the bot issue, and they're filling in immediate patches to keep players happy, the moment they see all bots can do they should be able to chunk out every tool bots have, regaining the lost grounds, then revert to fast paced patches to stitch closed any remaining vulnerabilities until the recovered boat stops leaking.

We did it... We Won

@MrComp-bw2rb

2 жыл бұрын

did we though?

I can see 1 last major update coming maybe at the earliest next year but it will be marked as the final major update unless valve actually starts to care again

I'm gonna be honest Joey, the "Riding on the bus" song from Family Guy plays in my head when I listen to the last part of your intro.

@Big Joey I'm finally going to get a laptop with 8gb ram, I'm so excited to play tf2 since I really wanted it for like ever! And now I'm finally going to download it, (when I get my laptop this Christmas.) You've been a very big inspiration for me and I can't wait to start playing soon!! 😁

Did the Heavy update ever happen? I stopped playing around the time of the Pyro update because the whole place was over run with Pyro's

I still think that Valve could just make name changes on Steam delayed: that is, you change your name, and it takes fifteen minutes for it to take effect. That would stop bots from changing their names when they join a server.

I love Tf2, I am sad I joined right before the bot did though. Hopefully Valve does something soon, but from what the game vets are saying, I don't think it will be happening anytime soon.

I forgot what the maps called, but the last map your playing on is one I really wish will be a perma map, not only does it look great, but it’s just visually beautiful and can be played all year round, I would love to play this map much more

I was there for the jungle inferno update. Hard to believe it was 4 yrs ago

I would love to see a major update like a weapon dump for every class. Every class gets 1 new weapon per slot that is either a side grade or promotes a new play style. Like how spy only has 2 secondaries and engine only has 3.

There are now some bots that can shut down votekicks, like a 7v2 vote won't work. No clue how it works

I think the saddest part is that there’s like one guy working on the game watching all of this and not being able to much about it