My son was eating at a restaurant in Sante Fe, NM on Monday. Talking with a couple at the next table, they discovered they were both Vikings fans even though one lived in Texas currently. "You'll know why," the woman says, "when I tell you my maiden name. Tarkenton. My grandfather is Fran's brother. Fun coincidence!

Great episode! I know Cris Carter wasn't acquired via a trade, but to get him off waivers for $100 was one of the best deals ever.

1966 Vikings traded a banged-up Tommy Mason and a mediocre Hal Bedsole, and a second round draft pick, to the Rams for a first-round pick that became Alan Page.

What about Paul Krause? He still holds record for most career int.

After the 1966 season Fran Tarkenton demanded to be traded from the Vikings and was accommodated with the trade to the Giants. Vikings GM Jim Finks got the best package he could in this trade.

Percy Harvin remains one of the most talented players I have ever seen wear purple. He just couldn’t keep it together

I'm old enough to remember those early trades. Devastated when Fran left and elated when he came back. Although that first year back at 7-7 was a major disappointment.

Good morning everyone ! Great trade both ways for Tarkinton, getting Yary and Ed White, greats on the o/line. Wished they would have stayed with White instead of trading him. He was a beast 💪one of my favorites ! Great stuff Phil and Judd 👍

Really enjoyed this episode!

Would the Paul Krause trade be #6 on your list considering he holds the record for most INTs?

Wonderful show gentleman,love the way back machine at age 71 I’m getting nostalgic about my Vikes.

Hard not to say that the Jefferson trade isn't the best already, but it definitely will be soon. Don't forget we also got Cam Bynum who has been solid for the Vikings the last 2 years

@kanesword9528

26 күн бұрын

They didn't trade for Jefferson, they traded for picks, big difference. They drafted Jefferson with one of the picks from Buffalo.

@billwalker9788

25 күн бұрын

@@RogerDawson-ko5nsyou’re a special kind of stupid

@TheBreadBasketOfficialOfficial

25 күн бұрын

@@RogerDawson-ko5ns shut down? Are you dull?

@billwalker9788

25 күн бұрын

@@RogerDawson-ko5ns hope you’re not a Vikings fan, you sound miserable

Minnesota traded two 1962 picks to Cleveland for Paul Dickson and Jim Marshall and four other players.

At the NY Giants web site the most notable trades in Giants history are listed. At the top of the list are trades for two HOF quarterbacks, one is Fran Tarkenton. In five seasons with the Giants Tarkenton was named to three Pro Bowls and selected to two All-Pro teams. The Giants organization regards the 1967 trade for Tarkenton one of their best trades in team history.

@bryanjones4444

15 күн бұрын

Absolutely, at those were Fran's best personal seasons and the Giants went from 1-12-1 to 4 second place finishes

Sports dad is the goat

Brad Johnson traded for the pick that ended up being Culpepper was pretty good as well.

Great show I'd love to see one on the biggest busts in team history.

I remember Clinton Jones taking a KO to the house! Tarkenton played in the pre-season; I saw him with the Giants at Yale Bowl.

Like Phil said,,,good history lesson. Thanks Judd...

Just so you guys know to go along with the Diggs/jefferson/ janarius robinson trade we also got a 5th and 6th rounder from that and traded those up to the bears to take Bynum. So essentially we got Jefferson and Bynum for Diggs and Dane Jackson. Vikings won that trade

@kanesword9528

25 күн бұрын

They didn't trade for Jefferson lol.

@Trav4

25 күн бұрын

@@kanesword9528 huh?

@SLCNorseman

25 күн бұрын

​@@kanesword9528 We got Jefferson with the pick we got from the Diggs trade. Read his post again lol

@RowdyLpx

25 күн бұрын

@@kanesword9528Learn to read.

I might have placed the Tark trade to the Giants higher, for the players we ended up with. It might have been a better trade than the one we did to reacquire him

@bryanjones4444

15 күн бұрын

I don't know, I might rate it as a bad trade. Yes we picked up two outstanding offensive lineman which is great. But we lost out on Fran's very best years at a time when the Viking defense was the best the league has ever seen from 69-71. No defense will ever come close to what the Viking's D did those 3 seasons. The defense gave up just 7.5 points per game in 69, only 8.2 points per game in 1970 and only 8.9 ppg in 71 with Page winning the MVP. I think we lost 3 championships those 3 seasons. Those 3 defenses set many records that will never be broken. My favorite is the consecutive streak of games not giving up more than 2 touchdowns. The second longest streak in history is 18 games. The Vikings put together a streak of 42 consecutive games.

If your show had existed for all of Vikings history, you would have been very critical of Tarkenton, Bud Grant, and Jim Finks.

@Zoyx

26 күн бұрын

The Vikings were a 2nd tier team during the 70s. They deserve credit for taking advantage of a weak NFC. The Dolphins, Raiders, and Steelers were clearly a level above the Vikings.

@nedcassley5169

25 күн бұрын

@Zoyx Finks passed on the best players on those teams. For one example, he took a cokehead RB from OSU instead of a LB from Penn State (Jack Ham). He drafted a punt returner (Charlie West) instead of a QB from Alabama (Ken Stabler). He drafted a RB from Mich State instead of Purdue QB Bob Griese [Syracuse RB Floyd Little was also available] and then Gene Washington instead of Gene Upshaw. Every team should have drafted Larry Little, but Bobby Bell and Jan Stenerud should have been Vikings. Luck was probably a factor in taking Jeff Wright; the rest of that Minnesota draft was horrible.

@Zoyx

25 күн бұрын

@@nedcassley5169 - Mistakes were made. He was still the best GM the Vikings ever had.

@OnePost909

20 күн бұрын

@@nedcassley5169 There is evidence that Leo Hayden was a cokehead before getting a nice big NFL bonus? If so, please cite the source.

The trade for Jim Marshall should be up there as well. Guy played for ever.

@bryanjones4444

15 күн бұрын

His career is rated by Pro Football Reference as the 5th best all time of any defensive lineman in history. He should have been voted to the Hall of Fame 40 years ago. Best player not in the Hall along with Ken Anderson.

If maxx Crosby is ever available, hope we get him before the Detroit lions or the slimy Green Bay packers do. Happy 4th of July weekend!

I don't know about the Jefferson trade. Yeah we got all the fancy stats and ESPY like catches to help Kirk pad his stats, but the worlds greatest WR only helped us get to the playoffs once in 4 years on his rookie scale contract, and now we have to pay a WR $35m/y. The Bills made the playoffs all 4 years with Diggs, and won a playoff game every year too (4-4). Not that keeping Diggs would've helped us get to the playoffs more often those 4 years, but we did make the playoffs 3 out of the 5 years he was here.

The Vikings in 1984-85 time frame trade to Miami LB Robin Sendlein for the rights to WR Anthony Carter. Maybe top 5, but definitely top 10.

Bob Lurtsema for Ahmad Rashad

Lurtsema for Rashad?

Was Judd saying “Tarkington”??

@bryanjones4444

15 күн бұрын

Yes he was, 50 lashes!!!

Tarkenton has a career passer rating of 58.6 in the postseason. 11 TDs, 17 INTs.

No love for trading Brad Johnson to Washington for a 1999 1st round pick (11th, which was Culpepper), a 1999 3rd round pick (which we used to trade up for Kleinsasser), and a 2000 2nd round pick (pick 56, DE Michael Boireau)?

My favorite part of this is that Judd is making the list instead of Mackey. No silly "bins".

RIP KYREE JACKSON

How is it possible that Judd pronounces Fran's last name TarkINGton???!!! Freaking impostor.

Not signing Terry Allen 😢

Tarkenton started "clicking" very early in his career. By 1964 the expansion team, who had by far the worst defense in the league their first 3 years, finished 2nd in the division. The Giants, who were 1-12-1 before Fran joined the team, finished 2nd 4 straight years with Fran at the helm. Fran did have an off year for him in 1972 but still took the offense from 2nd worst in the league averaging 4.0 yards per play to averaging 4.8. The defense went from being #1 three straight years to average because of injuries. Also Fred Cox, who was usually reliable missed 5 late kicks which took the Vikings to 7-7 instead of 11-3-1. One more tidbit about Sir Francis. If you use the "REAL GOAT" scoring system which compares all the great quarterbacks since 1947 to the average quarterback of their era and then to all the other greats you will find that Tarkenton was farther above average during his career than any other quarterback of the last 76 years. He wins by a comfortable margin over Peyton Manning who is comfortably ahead of Drew Brees and Johnny Unitas who finish 3rd and 4th.

Where’s the Herschel Walker trade in here? :s

@Zoyx

26 күн бұрын

I'll bite, what makes this one of the best Vikings trades?

@timkokesh1968

25 күн бұрын

@@Zoyx The /s denotes sarcasm.

@Zoyx

25 күн бұрын

@@timkokesh1968 - It's not there, you need to correct the post.

My theory is that if Grant would have been the coach when Tarkenton entered the league, there would have never been a trade to the Giants. It's the coaching.

@bryanjones4444

15 күн бұрын

That is not a theory. Fran left because as he put it "Van Brocklin nearly destroyed me as a man".

Just guessing but the hershal walker trade won't be in here. Lol did this before watching and it's the first thing brought up sarcastically.

Ray Edwards.

The Dallas Cowboys cherish the Herschel Walker trade

Wasnt Brad Van Pelt traded to the Vikings for Tony Galbreath.

@Zoyx

26 күн бұрын

Nope

@boxcarent.3147

25 күн бұрын

@@Zoyx just look it up several different articles on that trade.

@Zoyx

25 күн бұрын

@@boxcarent.3147 - Van Pelt never played for the Vikings.

@bradcarlson863

25 күн бұрын

It was proposed, but Van Pelt didn't want to come to Minnesota.

@boxcarent.3147

24 күн бұрын

@@bradcarlson863 ok , exactly because it was all over the newspapers but it didn't happen.

Giants got fleeced twice trading for and away the same player. Fran took a terrible Giants team and made them mediocre for a few years, that's ultimately what they got

I don't know how that top five trade list does not include number 80 Chris Carter unless I miss that I would say he should be number two tarkenton number one then Jared Allen number 3 4 and 5 don't care

@scottchavez1688

24 күн бұрын

He was claimed off of waivers for $100. Which is awesome but not a trade

No Steve Hutchinson poison pill???

@Bubkapenis

26 күн бұрын

That wasn’t a trade.

@Zoyx

26 күн бұрын

That was free agent signing, not a trade.

Getting Tarkenton back was a terrible trade by Finks. [Trivia: Snead was the first QB drafted in 1961.] In 1971, Minnesota had the best defense in the NFL. In 1972, NYG improved by four wins and MINN went to 7-7 from 11-3.

@Zoyx

26 күн бұрын

The failure of the 1972 season was on the defense and Fred Cox.

@Mark-gp3cc

25 күн бұрын

@@Zoyx I agree with you. In 1972 the Vikes lost several close games when Fred Cox missed short field goals. The Vikings lost another game by 3 points when a Vikings punt was blocked by their opponent and run back for a TD. The defense was ranked 11th in 1972 after ranking 1st from 1969 -1971.

@Zoyx

25 күн бұрын

@@Mark-gp3cc - I think the Rams/Vikings game from that year was the perfect example of that year. Both of those teams were known for their stingy defenses coming into the year. The score in that game was 45-41.

One of the best trades was Tarkenton to the Giants. One of the worst was Tarkenton from the Giants.

@bryanjones4444

15 күн бұрын

Wrong on both counts.

@nedcassley5169

15 күн бұрын

@bryanjones4444 You probably have no idea about those trades. Tarkenton had lost the starting job and they got four draft picks for him, which they used on Clinton Jones [2nd overall, could have been used on Floyd Little or Bob Griese, or Gene Upshaw], and Bob Grim [28th overall, could have taken Lem Barney, or Willie Lanier], Ron Yary [1st overall], and Ed White [39th in '69].

@nedcassley5169

15 күн бұрын

@bryanjones4444 In 1972, Norm Snead [who was taken second in 1961] led the NFL in completion percentage and helped the Giants improve by four wins while Minnesota dropped from 11-3 to 7-7. Snead made the Pro-Bowl. In postseason games, Tarkenton had 11 TD passes and 17 interceptions and a passer rating of 58.6.

@bryanjones4444

14 күн бұрын

@@nedcassley5169 No I am well aware of the trades but as a football historian and Viking fan since 69 I think the trade cost the Vikings 2 or 3 championships.

@bryanjones4444

14 күн бұрын

@@nedcassley5169 The drop to 7-7 was not Fran's fault. The defense had a lot of injuries and dropped from #1, and according to my deep dive study #11 all time, to the middle of the pack. The offense went from the second worst in the league averaging 4.0 yards per play to averaging 4.8. Fred Cox missed 5 field goals late in the 4th quarter. If he hits them the Vikings are 11-2-1.

The mediocre Clint Jones could have been Floyd Little or Bob Griese or Gene Upshaw, and Grim could have been lots of much better guys. Larry Little was undrafted. Ken Houston and Lem Barney and John Gilliam.

Stop with the lists lol no content is better than trash content

@mrmayortheiv

25 күн бұрын

They're not forcing you to watch 😂