Your deep dive into the details of this “research study“ was phenomenal. It’s the sort of detail I crave, but often don’t have time to gather for myself. Thank you for doing the heavy lifting for me, and thank you for making this available to anyone who is interested! Another fabulous job as always!

Phil - Your research is impeccable - and makes me feel like ive been on the right track to think there really is WAY MORE to Watchtower than anyone knows!

Yay! A Phil video! Hi Phil! FYI: Over the last 2 years I've been pruning ex-jw channels for my mental health. I just don't need them as much now that my family is out, and if they support someone who supported a misogynistic little jerk for years they got cut. One example of pruning. HOWEVER, your channel is GOLD. I need to get notifications now. Never did that with another channel.

If they really wanted an unbiased study, they could have hired an outside firm to do it and made an announcement at the meetings that it was okay for witnesses to participate in the study

@maryflowers6557

2 ай бұрын

They did that in the Netherlands regarding CSA and it didn't work out the way they expected 😂

@definitivamenteno-malo7919

2 ай бұрын

This is another "there are archaeology scholars that agree on the 607BC thing!" And there be only ONE and being a JW working for the GB directly

@janicehussock7735

2 ай бұрын

Absolutely

Watchtower is steeped in world affairs

I went to a meeting in Japan about 2 years ago... it felt like an entirly different place to the halls in AUS / USA... not a single person under 30 was there, I'd say 75% female and most people where regular pioneers. Felt very weird which in hindsight makes sense now.

Thank you for all your research on this topic, it is highly interesting!!

This study is approved for release by the theocratic warfare department.

@cultytalk

2 ай бұрын

😂😂😂 Yaaaass

Thanks for this research and your report. Just a note, and I've never heard anyone mention it, regarding corporal punishment. In the Australian Royal Commission into CSA, Governing Body member Jackson, under oath, testified that the organisation doesn't condone or agree with physical punishment. This was a surprise to me, as during my childhood, the rod of discipline scripture was read out to me and my siblings before such treatment was meted out many times per week, especially after meetings.

@user-xg2jm5mp2g

2 ай бұрын

I got the willow when I was growing up. I had to go to the bush and collect it myself! 😆 But I gotta be honest…I deserved it every time! I was raised JW but my folks have been nothing but fair. Maybe your dad was just an asshole?

@ronhansen8471

2 ай бұрын

Some JWs get it wrong. It might not hurt to find out what the rod of discipline means in God's word the bible before using your experience to make it sound like JWs beat their children. There may be times when physical punishment is required but JWs always should discipline their children based on love.

@murph8411

2 ай бұрын

@@user-xg2jm5mp2gThe fact that you still think you deserved physical punishment is troubling. Might makes right does it? If you don’t do something I have decided I want or think you should do beating you is the best way to make you comply? This isn’t a tap on the back of the hand to stop a very small child sticking something into an electrical socket we are talking about since you had the ability to select and obtain the device to be used upon you so you could obviously comprehend language well enough to be reasoned with. Why is resorting to violence better than explaining why you shouldn’t do something? That’s assuming your parents could actually construct a reasonable argument as to why you should do something and not just say, as is far too common in cases where punishment was/is used, because I say so (under which a religious authority figure or book would also fall).

@definitivamenteno-malo7919

2 ай бұрын

​@@ronhansen8471Absolute eisegetical bullshit

@definitivamenteno-malo7919

2 ай бұрын

@pds002 The magazines and shit claimed it was good to physically punish children. I still remember

I was enraged by a law journal article by a female Witness lawyer. Rather than write a normal article about individuals it was lying fluff about Joe Rutherford.

Funny how witness women can lecture to worldly men, but not witness men. Also, interesting that these few can write so many articles and be authors in a secular sense...seemingly "making a name for themselves in the world" which was something highly discouraged for us rank and file. I'm also curious how much money has actually been paid out to these holocaust survivors or if it was highly encouraged for them to donate it back to the society. Seems like too much conflict of interest with this group of people doing the study!

@cultytalk

2 ай бұрын

It's because she's an incognito. She works FOR the Jdubs...she lies for them. OR..... could it be? THEY....WORK FOR..... no! Never!! They work for ... another organization entirely????? 🤔 💭

The data is skewed if JWs themselves provided it.

@ronhansen8471

2 ай бұрын

Why do you say JWs are lying about their activity? There isn't any point in lying. What else is there to report on besides the work of preaching the good news?

@Caracaraorangeberry

2 ай бұрын

@@ronhansen8471 stop.

@definitivamenteno-malo7919

2 ай бұрын

​@@ronhansen8471JWs have all the need for lying. The first reason is because it's a religion. And ALL religions NEED lies to be kept afloat. And now, JWs are in a tight position where evidences are against them, and they can only rely to keep lying and force the believers to not trust outside information like the cult it is.

@murph8411

2 ай бұрын

@@ronhansen8471maybe because the governing body say it’s ok to tell lies to non JWs since they don’t have the right to the complete truth. Only fellow JWs have the right to the truth. Now given this so called study isn’t really a study according to their own words but a work to counteract the assumed negative media misrepresentation and is aimed at convincing outsiders and governments to ignore the media reports this is obviously intended for people who don’t automatically have the right to the truth. Theocratic warfare against outsiders controlled or heavily influenced by Satan,

@rubrawolf

2 ай бұрын

@@ronhansen8471 You do understand that you've been told explicitly by the elders and the society NOT to engage with this kind of video, and its commenters, right? You know you're being disobedient to the governing body?

Researched and information presented far better than anything from watchtower.

Your work is so appreciated 😊

@theblueenvelope

2 ай бұрын

thanks mate!

So-called "Conspiracy Theorists" like me really appreciate people like YOU!❤ 😉

Thank you for your careful, gentle, logical and calm delivery. I find your posts reassuring, they keep me steady in my determination to have a mind of my own. This obviously takes a lot of hard work on your part, and is very much appreciated.

The amount of work you do for all your videos are appreciated man. I think I might get most excited about these over any other exjw channel. Informative about the cult I grew up in while also honestly being relaxing to listen and learn from. Thank you!

@theblueenvelope

2 ай бұрын

Thanks mate!

Thank you for your great research and representation! ,

Sour grapes of a few bad apples? Never heard both mentioned in one sentence but it worked! 😆😂

I always appreciate TBE thorough research.

Excellent, Logical, In-depth, well researched presentation. Great delivery of this information!

Those statistics on health and wellbeing (literally on "life" matters) were rather alarming I thought!!! A very sizeable number would refuse organ transplant and treatments for cancer, even a prescription for vitamins!! Clearly, the GB has a lot of work to do . These statistics do not reflect well on them, or on their followers comprehension of the beliefs they profess are their own. They might even appear given to superstition. Frightening stuff!!

@theblueenvelope

2 ай бұрын

Yes, the views about medical treatment were probably the most surprising/alarming thing to me too.

@cultytalk

2 ай бұрын

UNLESS.... Watchtower is actually a front for another group entirely... Then it might make sense! We don't know WHO REALLY filled out those surveys. And based on the answers received... ? Its curious. Just sayin' 😳

I appreciate your solid investigation, your deep dive into the details of this “research study“ was phenomenal. Please move on in this behavior. Thanks a lot.

Great content and channel. POMO for about 30 years. only recently (less than a year) looking at social media specific to former JWs.

Also glad when you do a video. 😊

Only at timestamp 4.26 I am amazed. Thank you Phil. So profound!! 🎉❤

Well done once again !

I love that they happened upon their own error correction problems the moment they attempted anything remotely scientific. They have made their members exlusively listen to them which means its impossible for a third party to get data from the active members. And of course given that, since they either do not care about being intellectually honest or most often of necessity (survivor bias) are ignorant of HOW to properly eliminate bias from a study. There are so many problems with how the data is biased and lacks any error correction method. 1. 18+ only, meaning they only took responces from those that have been habituated to being in frustrating and boring meetings 2. Baptized only

Another fantastic video. I appreciate your work.🍺

The best apostate, thanks!

Thanks

@theblueenvelope

2 ай бұрын

Thanks mate!

Wonderful video as always! I love listening to data analysis because I’m a complete idiot when it comes to numbers of any kind, so it’s genuinely helpful to me lol

A JW that’s a professor or chemistry and biology. That’s unusual and it sounds quite unusual for someone to be a professor in two fields at the same time. Unless, of course this person is a biochemist, studied chemical biology or another field related to the interface between both subjects. Also what kind of study sets out the intended results or outcomes of the study before the study has even begun? They say it’s to counteract negative reports and the effects they have on governments and not to see if reporting is biased or accurate in the first place or if government treatment has been influenced (and how). That’s not a study that’s more like propaganda or a publicity piece.

Funding bias . Confirmation bias . Always results in “accurate” studies 🙄

Well... hellooooooooo, Phil 🎉🇯🇵

Direct your good energy & "ID" nature, combined with your will power & pure spirit, which is the essence of who you truly are, to a positive & higher vibrational level of existence. And, you will then know exactly, why you are here & what your authentic, original & real purpose is as a loving human being. EX JEHOVAHS WITNESS SURVIVOR.

Always love your videos. Your research is impeccable. One small correction, though. Purple Triangles was released in 1992 and was not produced by the watchtower. It was made by another company and aired on British TV. It was purchased for redistribution in 1992 and released then. Jw stand firm against nazi assault was released in 1996 (with a bright purple triangle on the cover) and may be the video Palaccia worked on.

@theblueenvelope

2 ай бұрын

Thanks for the clarification, yeah I remembered that after recording. I put a correction on the screen, but it's not in the audio.

@cultytalk

2 ай бұрын

Do you know what company produced it originally & sold it to Watchtower? There's only the producer's name on IMDB, no company name. I'd be interested to know this information! Thank you if you reply!

@ianohlander

2 ай бұрын

@theblueenvelope ahh....I was listening while walking the dog so I only got the audio. It was truly a minor thing and has no effect on the research data you presented. Your content is always so calm and reasoned and logical. I enjoy the deep dives you do. I've dabbled in videos (ok, only one, on whether the Watchtower actually predicted the UN.) I've been interested in doing more, but you know how life is. Still, the work you do is important and impacts people more than you know. Too many leave without deconstructing their beliefs....which just makes them ripe for panicked returning to the hall when 911 or covid or Russian invasion of Ukraine happens. Videos like yours do a good job of breaking things down. Thank you for the work you do.

@ianohlander

2 ай бұрын

@cultytalk I don't. I ripped it from the VHS tape maybe 15 years ago. Maybe I can find it and so who made it. I know there's an opening logo of the production company at the start.

@cultytalk

2 ай бұрын

@@ianohlander ok no problem thank you.

Content related to ‘physical encouragement’ does remind me of the time period - as suggested by the survey (80s and 90s) when JW parents were clearly encouraged to offer up a whooping if kids didn’t behave - spare the rod and spoilt the child was God’s position on raising well-adjusted children. They used to quote Benjamin Spock and others who promoted a more permissive approach with the obvious decline of society (the normal 1 Timothy societal breakdown). So, while I think it’s reasonable that Witnesses would reduce less corporal punishment, I think the bigger issue is that they’re following society trends rather than the other way around. God’s ‘rod’ seems to have found less favour with the witnesses which, being divine wisdom, it shouldn’t and there should be clear evidence that a paddling results in more well-adjusted children; something I don’t believe the evidence supports.

@Rupunzelsawake

2 ай бұрын

Yeah you're right. Spock's advice was really frowned upon by JWs. I'd forgotten about him! Spanking only went out of favour in New Zealand when the government introduced anti-smacking legislation, making it illegal. Until then kids were shuffled outside, or pulled by the ear, to the kingdom hall carpark and given a right old wollopping. Often parents would place their hand over the childs mouth to muffle their yelps and cries . I noticed that the watchtower began to interpret the "rod of discipline " as "instruction"..as in verbal instruction, rather than physical. So the org really does just yield to societal trends. ..on most things except really critical things like reporting CSA and on shunning.

Anecdotal, but hey. Born '83, both parents second generation JWs, I was a quiet kid, dad, an alcoholic ex elder, used to hit me a lot when younger. As a teenager, the mere threat of violence was enough to get me in line. I've never baptized. Later, once I could, I stopped attending meetings completely and was soft shunned by all my peers (bad association, for no real reason). Luckily my mother never minded me being "worldly", but who knows what'd happened if I baptized and THEN left. The relationship with my father never really recovered.

Simone Liebster wrote a book "facing the lions" she explains that Alsace france flipped between german and french control multiple times between both world wars.

I got a few whippings when i was a kid it didnt kill me. Im old school from a different generation. They would beat your tail in school then you would get another one at home. But it was rare, there are more effective ways to train a child most of the time. I would like to see a survey of witnesses from an unbiased source though, but that will never happen, witnesses wouldnt fill it out more than likely. The CSA cases are a different story. My problem with that lies with the fact that the organization doesn't openly admit there is a problem and they aren't teaching parents and children to be watchful and wary of it. And even if they dont kick someone out for an accusation, (because of the two pary rule) the authorities should be called to investigate. Ive personaly known of 6 cases of csa within the ranks of JWs. I was born in. Now out.

I happen to know Joleen I’m not sure if I’m spelling is correct but I’ve known her since the 80s in my hometown in NY and at Brooklyn,is the live stream available that’s she’s on and if so where I would like to watch it thanks

@theblueenvelope

2 ай бұрын

Oh neat, this is the link if youtube lets it post. kzread.info/dash/bejne/o5aDx6afgbWpgaQ.htmlsi=oAuDhh0PxZrzb63j

@bygeorgehemayberite8385

2 ай бұрын

For a “neutral” religion that’s no part of the world, they sure are apart of the world. Lol One thing about the religion, from its defense of their NWT, practices, etc. they will find bias confirmation, no matter the source. Only if the brothers & sisters knew the extent of their donations were being used

@Chewy6screens

2 ай бұрын

Thanks I told a couple of others that know her

The data is skewed bc of the participant data participation and the fact that their leadership pushed it on a local level. Even looking from the outside, non-Japanese congregations were barred. These would inherently likely have separate information sources that would disrupt the unity facade

Female JWs in Japan 71% Woww!! What !! That's crazy

This org is worldwide as they say, why only provide Japan report😅

@JustAskingQuestions8571

2 ай бұрын

It indeed is. When I went to Japan, I was surprised, it seemed most "Christians" were Johova's witnesses. Unfortunate to say the least. I think Japan is starving for Christianity but Evangelicals are more afraid to witness than the JWs, I think if Evangelicals were more fearless in going out there, they'd have at least the number of converts of the JWs if not more. But it's really hard in Japan because you get shamed so hard for disturbing the peace, which preaching religion generally is considered to be there.

Watching paint dry is much more interesting than viewing this video.

@AwakefromWatchtower-gn1sh

2 ай бұрын

Then maybe you should get out the paint brush.

Not the book of Ezekiel being discussed verse by verse🤣🤣 50:28

Hello do you know why they use the colour BLUE on the JW sign ☘️

@simona_ab

2 ай бұрын

I don't, but I would like to know 🤷🏻‍♀️

@pds002

2 ай бұрын

I assumed they were emulating the Whitehouse website logo, which is WH.Gov; white font on a blue square.

@felicitydeikos5250

27 күн бұрын

Blue and white are the colours of peace. Hence, the UN flag.

Ever thought of a collaboration with Barbara Anderson?

Don't know how you can read anything into this study. As it is totally biased

Thanks!

@theblueenvelope

2 ай бұрын

Thanks mate!

@tonymorris4325

2 ай бұрын

@@theblueenvelope my pleasure. Keep up the good work :)

Thank you for helping us understand these things! Youre a great investigator and helping all ex jws.

Was the study anonymous?

@theblueenvelope

2 ай бұрын

According to the report, yes it was

@cultytalk

2 ай бұрын

​@@theblueenvelopeINTERESTING!!

Any court room that this comes up in needs to be dismissed sighting the accolades of those involved like you did. Clear conflict of interest

Where is Tony?

It took you half an hour to get to the contents.

@icecreamheadache

2 ай бұрын

Truly, your powers of observation are breathtaking. Where did you learn such abilities?

Who the heck is REALLY running the show! 🤔 💭

@rosskstar

2 ай бұрын

Freemasons ~the old guard that bought their way in, promote their kids and 'brethren' ~kind of like the cowbird. Eventually they hold all the key positions ~they've done it to most major religions, turning them into their own cash cow and daughters of Babylon. Their game is soon coming to an end.

The fact that they exclude inactive JWs is just mind-boggling. The data are useless. Inactive people are more likely to be those harmed, but they're still JWs and affected by the JW religion. The fact that JWs define their membership multiple different ways is irrelevant. (Only active publishers counted on annual report, but also getting baptized is what makes you an official JW means you can be "not a JW," as an unbaptized publisher on annual report and still a JW, but not on the report if you take a 6 month vacation from field service).

You don't need to be baptised to get shunned. They also do it to abuse victims if they dont stay quiet and fall back in line

I'm a Jehovah's Witness I have a high standard of living I'm on top at my job andmind my own business my routine is go to work go to church take care of my home my family or relatives my my own business financially I'm doing fantastic I love my life I love my God I love my religion I'm good with it all you guys have a good day peace and Jesus.

@antoniosimilia

2 ай бұрын

Your own sentiment contraindicates the organizations overall feelings towards others. If you truly promote peace and Jesus then I applaud you. However the religion your in does not and removes peace from so many members and ex members in their past and in todays day. Hope you never have to go through what thousands have due to the organizations harmful policies that are not loving or Christlike

@user-ys1jr3et9i

2 ай бұрын

@@antoniosimilia you answered me like a lawyer like an intellectual like an intellectual I don't care about that what matters to me is the number one commandment love Jehovah with all your mind heart and soul you do not do that and your friends do not do that second commandment is love your fellow man as yourself and you know you and your friends don't do that you don't study the scriptures to look for truth you study the scriptures to look for Flaws and other religious organizations you're a bum and you're a loser you know you are a bum and the loser deep in your heart there's nothing you can do to stop the Holy Spirit the Holy Spirit unifies causes to preach causes intense love causes the fruits of the spirit etcetera etcetera all fake Christians and people of the world do not have the gift of the Holy Spirit you don't have them you never will until you bow to Jehovah Jehovah Yahweh the god of Abraham keep them coming I'm not going to stop I love him

@ANCIENTWARRI0R

2 ай бұрын

Hi, I’m wondering, were you born into the JWs or did you enter as an adult? Thx.

@user-ys1jr3et9i

2 ай бұрын

@@ANCIENTWARRI0R i grew up around lots of religious people i spent years reading, researching, listening the best the world has to offer as too religious books iv have visited to many places of worship to list,i have interviewed thousands of peeps as too thier beliefs, i love and respect all peeps i got baptized in 1993,, since then there have been ,people in the organization that have hurt me, but im not at the hall serving men,,I understand some peeps who have very strong very feelings as to thier experience with jws but its what i call the 5 percent. But 95 percent of the people in the jws for me have been wonderfull I've always tried to focus on the positive things about people and their religion they teach us in the Kingdom Hall don't go around with a critical I talking down to people etc etc I know what I hear in the Kingdom Hall and then Kingdom Hall we are taught to conquer evil with good don't be haters now we have our religious point of view we have a religious doctrines I respect those of other people and I expect people to expect people to respect mine I'm going to tell you something that I noticed that before I became a JW before I became a JW I noticed there was a whole lot of people out there telling half stories and lying I did my research I did my research and I became a JW a slave of Jehovah because of I convinced myself that Jehovah is a real God and that his holy spirit is helping people in his organization I need all kinds of people I interview all kinds of people I preached to a lot of people and I'm going to tell you something I go where the holy spirit is I go where the where the action where the facts are where the results are where what people do matters not what they say do Publications by the society insight to the scriptures are absolutely wonderful wonderful and wonderful I know it and you know it you can't deny that no matter where you going to world all organizations are going to have defects etcetera etcetera Jehovah's organization is the best imperfect organization in the world as to spiritual matters 1000 horses can't drag me away from the JW's we are being disciplined by Jehovah God's discipline is extremely important there's a Bible text that says he that God loves he scourges the definition of the word scourges is a very bad spanking or a very hard spanking the Reason God scourges someone before he brings them in as a son is because he has to remove the world that is in him the worldly attitudes I appreciate you asking me the question respectfully if you talk to me respectfully I will talk to you respectfully

@user-ys1jr3et9i

2 ай бұрын

We must love God with all our heart soul mind and being all religions have made mistakes ill stay with this one due to the love we have. I'm not going to leave a wonderful organization because of a few bad apples 95 percent of all jws iv know have treated me well thats all I need to know,,ps find me a better bible incyclopidia than insight to the scriptures and ill leave asap,,,you won't be able to I look the world over can't find one 2. Show me a book that explains revelation better than the One they have and 8ll leave immediately,,,no sir you can't I tried, ps the NEW WORLD TRANSLATION IS FANTASTIC AND SO IS THE JERUSALEM BIBLE AND THE NIV. My kj bible say gods name is Jehovah im good here got baptized in 1993. At the age of 35 im and will never leave love it here big time,,,,jws will smoke the average American with the bible any day,, I know iv done it preach ing a hundred times when I was pushed to the test,,,I never argue religion with any one,,,im a preacher and peace maker

Treat others with kindness like a mosquito treat itself to a sample of your blood while leaving behind a gift of a parasite

Why does WT use someone with a master's degree (Chu) ?? They frown upon their people going to university. Double standards is frowned upon by God.

@katrinamcintosh3565

2 ай бұрын

They may have already had the degree prior to becoming a JW.

@muma6559

2 ай бұрын

@@katrinamcintosh3565 so what !? WT attitude stinks, full of jealousy and hypocrisy. They want to say when it's right to have an education and when it's not. But it's not their business. They sin greatly by meddling.

Your use of "apologist" for these certain academics is incorrect.

📑 The study seems incomplete without input from non-active members or ex JWs.