After watching both our GR86 and BRZ reviews, are you team Subaru or Toyota? We’re just happy both are back for an act two and so should you!

@rtatis

2 жыл бұрын

Team GR86!

@subaruanon

2 жыл бұрын

I've got my heart set on a 6MT Sapphire Blue BRZ Limited. Taking all my strength to not go down to the dealer tomorrow and preorder one!

@jonathanhughes5806

2 жыл бұрын

I have a WRB 2017 BRZ Limited. I wish I could say Team Subaru for the Gen 2, but I'm going Team Toyota! I love the front end of the GR86 better.

@bikebudha01

2 жыл бұрын

toyota looks just a little better up front...

@mndplg

2 жыл бұрын

BRZ

2022 Subaru BRZ/2022 Toyota GR 86 has me more excited than any Porsche or Lambo! I think it's because I know I can afford it and that I will be buying it in November. So excited to own my first RWD sports car!

@touayaaj84

2 жыл бұрын

I am the same way. I was in a financial position where I could afford a Supra and went that way. I still love the twins.

@EnforcementDronEd209

2 жыл бұрын

Same here I want to get the Toyota version

@braetonwilson4296

2 жыл бұрын

@@420hansol You've been mentioning markup everywhere but there's no guarantee that there will be markup. You're just making that up.

@braetonwilson4296

2 жыл бұрын

@@420hansol I did contact my local dealers and they said they had no info about GR 86 and told me to contact them again in October. They said Toyota had not released pricing yet. They did not mention mark up. I live in NM.

@DragonKnightX12

2 жыл бұрын

@@420hansol I don't know. That seems like a really stupid decision with the new Z coming out too.

That Saphire Blue is the best color in my opinion. Stunning!

@grouchyblackman

2 жыл бұрын

No sapphire blue for you. That's what I'm getting!

@jonathanhughes5806

2 жыл бұрын

World Rally Blue for the win!

@timothye5936

2 жыл бұрын

First color I crossed off, but apparently I’m weird because I like the BRZ bumper much better than the gr86

The look on your face while driving the road course. Seeing that is something that almost all $80,000 vehicles just cannot provide. Priceless!!! A huge high five to Subaru. Thank you for the fun review.

I love that digital cluster for some reason. The simplicity has a real charm to it.

@Viper4ever05

2 жыл бұрын

same, why put all that bullshit when you can have it all on one screen and even give us different modes to cycle through.

@ciello___8307

2 жыл бұрын

it reminds me of the Lexus F sport clusters

@isam9909

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, modern because it's digital but still simple and straightforward

Personally prefer the front design of the 86 as opposed to the happier face on this. Can't go wrong either way though.

They absolutely nailed the new design for the brz and gr86 🔥🔥🔥

You are enjoying the BRZ so much, man. Great seeing you laughing and grinning ear-to-ear!

The only thing that Subaru needs to fix is that god awful plate mount in the front. Thats the main reason why the GR 86 looks better to me.

@alexrain1188

2 жыл бұрын

That is true. I actually like the face of the BRZ more than the GR86, but yeah, that stupid bar in the front ruins it.

@Chilicharger665

2 жыл бұрын

agreed

@MaddNomad1015

2 жыл бұрын

Nothing a little aftermarket can’t fix

@montehill4840

2 жыл бұрын

I wholeheartedly agree!

@timuriskhodzhanov8558

2 жыл бұрын

@@MaddNomad1015 I don't think aftermarket can fix it budget reasonable for "just remove a stupid thing I didn't want".

This car should have won some awards for Car of the Year in 2022.

Sofyan goes crazy in the automatic Subaru: Please wear this helmet from now on. LOL

@rogger55

2 жыл бұрын

ohhh right... for some reason i missed that

The front of the BRZ looks like = ☺️ While the GR86 looks like = 😱

@thejennerule

2 жыл бұрын

I just commented that it looks like it's smiling lol

@Teefs143

2 жыл бұрын

Brz is 😂

Nice review, can’t wait till the back to back comparison

I've been holding out on buying one of these for a good time now, but with working going great right now, and this being a refresh model I might just have to jump on one of these. ALSO THAT DIGITAL CLUSTER IS ONE OF THE BEST I'VE EVER SEEN!

I’ve been waiting for this review for months now. It’s finally here.

@nickr3441

2 жыл бұрын

Get a life

@joeyt8643

2 жыл бұрын

Same, really looking forward to this one!

been watching for a long time....format is so good. keep up the great work

the front looks like it's smiling as if it's ready for the speed or loving the speed while driving 😆

Great job Sofyan!! You do a great job driving on the track!! Great review!!

@brianreardon7700

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t know at 47 I just don’t want to go all over the place..lol.. my 3rd vw golf r.. I guess will come in 6 months.. 2019 golf r now .. i just want to put the power down.. lol.. not all this tail happy shiznet lol

Great video, I have been waiting a long time!

I was all set on the GR86 but honestly with more videos coming out, the BRZ has really grown on me. Especially with all of the STI tid bits teased.

Aggressive? It's a smiley face. I think that is the opposite of `aggressive`.

Just put my deposit down on a GR86 that's in transit to the dealership, now I play the waiting game. Thanks for the great video!

Look at those smiles. Never seen a car that happy! 😂

The duckbill spoiler is literally the only reason why I'd pick the GR86, even tho the BRZ uses better materials(aluminum vs steel) for the suspension .

@Sasquatch304

2 жыл бұрын

Thats the most stupid reason

going to trade i my 2019 veloster r-spec. and ive decided to go with either this or the gr86. love the videos you did between the two. going to help me with my decision

@o0260o

2 жыл бұрын

Damn I wanted the r spec earlier this year. So sad to see them go.

1000th Like! Great little review, appreciate that you drove both the auto and manual even though we all know that this car shouldn't have an autotragic option, hahah!

Hey Redline ... When you guys was doing the track run I was screaming .... E-BREAK NOW ,,,, E-BREAK AGAIN .... NOW NOW NOW E-BREAK. Drift into the turns

What a great career you made out of this Channel. At 9:14 I laughed with Sofyan. Can't wait to test drive the new BRZ/86.

@nickr3441

2 жыл бұрын

Who knew whining and bitching was a career

@abluecardigan

2 жыл бұрын

@@nickr3441 Ah, just starting yours?

@RLTtizME

2 жыл бұрын

Who?

@lukeheffernan

2 жыл бұрын

@@nickr3441 A reviewers job is to critique, you know.

@nickr3441

2 жыл бұрын

@@lukeheffernan yea, like the door shutting? Who gives a fuck

I can’t wait for my 2022 BRZ to arrive!!!

Very nice car and great review of all the options. Having watched both reviews I think the 86 is a nicer car looks wise in the front but the new BRZ is certainly not a bad second option lol. The after market support for these cars will be insane.

Phenomenal review as always! You’ve worked very hard over the years, and it shows. Good job man. When I get my GR86 turbocharged, I’ll reach out to you for a review

@emilyleininger6648

2 жыл бұрын

Love your channel. Can't wait to see your brz build.

@AllEyesOnUs

2 жыл бұрын

@Cruz Ponce low boost and it will be A okay. Had 15 brz at 10psi for approx 45k miles without one issue, next owner beat the piss out of it without issues as well. Really depends on the tuner you have 👀

This car would be rally sexy if they offered a 4 door coupe

@mightbesherwood1313

2 жыл бұрын

Crazy idea, but not a bad one!

Props to Toyota and Subaru for still keeping this car alive with a second generation. Both cars are great however I’d chose the GR86 over the BRZ for this new generation. Probably might pick one up in the next few years when they offer a performance package with Brembo Brakes.

@350z33hr

2 жыл бұрын

You shouldn't have any problem with Toyota bringing back the Supra since this is a collab with another manufacturer

@gabo7356

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@DragonKnightX12

2 жыл бұрын

@@350z33hr Mark from Savagegeese hit the head on the nail with this The 86 dosen't matter as much, it's a much smaller nameplate and still 100% Japanese. The MK5 on the other hand is a German car with one of the biggest nameplates in the whole JDM scene. Toyota should of taken the route GM took to make the C8 with the Supra. Specially since it's supposed to be the flagship car for the GR brand.

@markbarrett2686

2 жыл бұрын

AMEN

@vapor4den

2 жыл бұрын

You don’t really need Brembo brake, this car is so light !

There's a true charm about the way a 6-speed auto pulls gears in acceleration. pulling ratio sounds just like my mazda 3 auto skyactiv

The take rate on manual vs auto for each brand can probably be explained by each brands customer base and the offerings that they already have. I think a lot of Subaru at least recently had manual options, whether you are looking at the Outback or WRX/STI, and a lot of Subaru owners are pretty loyal to the brand. I think everyone has probably known someone who had an older manual transmission Forester or Outback or something like that. Whereas Toyota definitely has a lot more autos in its portfolio, even for their sports cars, like the Supra, so that probably plays a huge role in it.

@electropainted

2 жыл бұрын

sounds right. that has to be the explanation

Great insights as always. How would you compare it to a Miata ND2 RF?

Good work covering the 86 twins. I have a history with Subaru and Toyota (and Honda) tuner cars. My GR86 arrives in a few weeks. It was hard to find a manual, but I got a deposit locking one in as soon as it popped up. I think they will sell well, and I will probably regret not waiting to get the upcoming special anniversary edition that may come to the states, even if it is just appearance stuff.

Appearance wise, I’m team BRZ. I like the smiley face front end.

I liked the front number of the gr86 more initially from the first pictures I saw but the brz bumper looks a lot better in the videos than in a picture and has definitely growing on me. To be completely honest I could be happy with either. If I buy one of these cars I’ll definitely go to several dealerships and both Toyota and Subaru dealerships and just see who will offer me the best deal. Which honestly might favor Toyota for my area. Subaru doesn’t sell a ton of vehicles here in NC. Most of the Subaru dealerships here are in the larger cities where dealers are used to scamming people. Have gotten a couple great deals in the past at the Toyota dealers that are out in the country here.

@gyneve

2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately for me, our local toyota dealerships are bad, and the subaru ones are worse.

Thank for this review. Do you find this car a good one for long trips in terms of confort? I would like to have it as daily but also travel with him.

Its funny because i think the interior is way better than last gen. You dont have a huge plastic flat panel facing you on the dash. It's got a little more style to it and the vents look way better imo as well.

First off, dude you have way too much fun with some of these cars & that always makes me laugh. Secondly, as a last year Forrester XT driver, I'd like a more funner experience, and between a Toy & Subie, I'd have to lean to the 6 spd std BRZ. Going to have to test drive on a track (for a fee) without a salesman - any suggestions where common folk might arrange for that experience?

Great Video

I'm enjoying this driving season as you!!!

That big smiley face everyone will see on the road.

You look like you are having as much fun as the Straight Pipe bois were in that new Bronco.

I really want either one.. Referring to the GR 86 or BRZ. I hope I can buy one of them within the next few years.

Saw you guys! I was trimming the grass lol

I am very curious on how the BRZ feels vs the GR86. I can't wait to drive them both.

@ayushmalpeddi2793

2 жыл бұрын

They will be super similar. Most people won't even notice anything.

The design language makes a lot more sense after you look at stills taken from the WRX teaser.

Keep in mind the 86 doesn't offer the amazing wr blue pearl color its only available on the brz imo I think the wr blue is best color on these cars👌

@jonathanhughes5806

2 жыл бұрын

I know, I'm torn! I have a WRB 2017 BRZ Limited right now. I like the front end of the GR86 better, but I'd have to give up that gorgeous blue color.

@DragonKnightX12

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly if you get the 86 it's gotta be in Track bRed.

@OkoDre

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonathanhughes5806 I too thought the frs front looked better but now I actually changed my mind I think the brz front end looks better and more expensive. Also exterior color is huge on a car the color combos on the frs are terrible. Red color isn't even that nice has no glass not shiny what so ever the wr blue color will be so vibrant and all the pearl in it will be a eye catcher.

@hothatchpa

2 жыл бұрын

Toyota gets exclusive Neptune blue. That is one I need to see in person for sure.

@ashs3380

2 жыл бұрын

I gotta disagree. I think blue is bleh and plain.

Man at first I didn’t like them but they have grown on me, however I still enjoy the first gen look better. Might lick one up 4-5 years from now with a performance package. Keep modding my first gen. That 50% chassis rigidity and stronger transmission is a good reason to switch imo. Nearly forgot engine mounted slightly lower as well as the seats being lower.

I'm happy to see the new BRZ & I'm glad that it looks good as well. The GR86 wins in the looks dept but not by much. What's up with the infotainment setup in the BRZ? That thing looks pre-historic.

@NurseNickLoL

2 жыл бұрын

I actually don’t mind the infotainment. Small and centered offering everything you need without being massive. I think this will age well.

It comes down to personal preference. I prefer the Subaru front grill and rear end, but the big deciding factor for me would be my preference in buying a Subaru from a Subaru dealership instead of from a Toyota dealership. I currently own a Mazda made iA sold by Toyota and they had no clue when I brought it in for warranty coverage on the infotainment system.

Very nice design, wont break the wallet. Amazing

The Subaru bottom grille looks like it’s smiling 😊

Cars,Cars,Cars, gotta love them

I truly wish Subaru would dump the CVT or at least offer this 6spd auto in the Limited models with the 2.4L Turbo. The CVT is crap. And as always, LOVE seeing your reviews!!

I'm just going to pop up the name Scion FR-S , for those who had or still have one in their garages. Scion rocks, hell yeah

The front lip of the 1st gen get scratch easily. Making it black is a good idea. It looks removable too.

If I had a brand new car that was barely warmed up and someone revved it like that I would definitely take them out behind the woodshed. WTF!!

Great review... I really like this car because it's a manual but it's not practical for me. Gotta have a functional back seat.

*understeers all the way through every corner* "it's so tossable and easy to control" 🤣🤣

Very interesting with the statistics between auto and manual between both of them

Handles like a go-kart on the track. I wonder if it'll snap the rear end out (like the go-kart) with left foot braking.. If so, I'm already salivating.

Can't decide which front fascia I like more. Learning towards the BRZ because of the lower grill, and the DRL.

@devongee1776

2 жыл бұрын

I don't like the smiley face on a sports car. If it even is one. The Toyota doesn't have a DRL?

@compunerd

2 жыл бұрын

I love the smiley face.. i think it looks cute.. reminds me of cars like the original miata or the dodge neon.

@jordanschellhase2952

2 жыл бұрын

The brz has a huge smile and it looks very happy

@compunerd

2 жыл бұрын

@@jordanschellhase2952 id prefer happy over angry to be honest. I'm so tired of seeing so many angry looking cars on the road lol

@prokickerprokickerstudiohk7157

2 жыл бұрын

It actually looks like a samurai mask

Interesting regarding the aluminium suspension components, also wonder if this will retro fit on the GT86.. 🤔

If Subaru wants to keep their average age under 40, they should deliver my car before next March. My current ETA is April. I really shouldn't torture myself with these videos. 😂

How do you like this car compared to the ND Miata?

Sofyan...thank you for mentioning the tire size and brand!

I don't get why the exhaust tips are recessed so deep into the bumper. They stick out on japanese and european models (of the GR 86), looks much better.

tbh I don't really care too much for the front fascia mainly because there will be a lot of aftermarket kits that will allow you to switch out that part anyways.

i have a question, would you recommend the automatic if you're going to just ride around and not doing much tracking

10:11 Wish there was a cubby area underneath the toggle switches. Plus that center console / cup holder combo is pretty whack.

I love the new looks of it. Way less bummy. I like it more than the gr-86 one too. I heard they made the cockpit less cramped also.

@haroldcampos9661

2 жыл бұрын

I know they meant the other one to recreate the wedge shape and although I like the front, I like the facelift and generally think the rear is finally FIXED. it just never sat right with me. Nothing wrong with the original ae86s imo Bummy isn’t even the right word. More like basic. I’m the type of weirdo that would’ve driven a black pontiac firebird trans am like a villain if I was alive in the 70’s. I’ve always liked doing those wide donuts and sweeping turns on a awd subaru, etc. but their strength has always been on precision handling and grip. Forget rallying, look at tt sti’s. Once you experience it, you’ll know. I appreciate subaru taking it in that direction, instead of encpuraging everyone to bust a drift or get sidewayz or whatever. There’s pros and especially built race cars for that, don’t ruin your nice daily. Those are the cars that end up totalled. I don’t think it was ever just about that even with initial d and motorsports but I’m not trying to ruin anyone’s fun. I love adding sway bars and coilovers, I’d never be against that, that’s also how it is over in japan where these tuner cars come from. But people also drive em off cliffs or should i say side of mountain trying to be cool, so…its the truth. People gotta use their judgement. Like slim profile tires and potholes. It ain’t gonna make it like that on the street for long. Yeah, ferrari has em but you ain’t supposed to daily that either. People will get mad, plug their ears, etc. Hopefully the line of specialty affordable solid rwd toyota coupes as an homage to the 86 stays strong, and that there remains a semblance of purpose. Because while other companies are looking to the future with the pasts eyes this car is looking at the past with the future’s eyes. And directly tweaking what we know to create something still interesting as far as new cars go. We need to be interested. People hate boring tech. My only fear in getting a new car, is probably the combination of boxer and timing chains and how much a nightmare it is for anyone to work on this engine ultimately unless they’re just putting in new ones. You can be putting around town in it and be destroying it or burning oil in it without knowing. They do like to go… people were even putting ea series engines on tiny airplanes. but they had specialty builders, which is my point. out of the factory, its great until something goes wrong and there’s no subaru expert you can trust or find easily. even if you were ready to pay. just forums where when theyre actually active, its pure disarray. most engine parts are supposed to be replaced, and you start getting into aftermarket territory and if you’re not ready you’ll end up with a quick and dirty repair and then the car ends up shattering the engine down the line so you get a new one from the junkyard put it in if youre past warranty and then you never forget to check your oil again, etc lol. The problem isn’t even you, it’s actually chugging oil one day. I wouldn’t even buy a used one at dealership prices much less a new one. I know toyota has their own bank for financing you, but not sure how subaru does for interest rates. I’ve had a few imprezas. At the end of the day you’re made to feel inferior for not having boost or nothing, lol. Bolt-ons can be a lot of fun. I’ve had to do a lot of upkeep, research, new motors, etc. Fun cars though…. I don’t think anything runs forever without maintenance and repairs, and the good thing about a boxer for me is that it was small enough to rebuild in my shed. But always had to track down someone who can bore and hone the block with diamond hone and ultrafine brushes… if you want an sti version, you won’t be able to buy it from subaru; you’ll at least have to go to a performance shop. and thats good, because there’s already too many mustangs going wot down the street and making power for the sake of it just because they could afford the $60,000 package on what everyone knows is essentially a big stupid mustang. get this instead and see your car be compared to a miata in a magazine. or you could have this, and then by the time I get my hands on it it sounds like a lawnmower with a rusty exhaust… Hell if you get one that ‘runs and drives’ on auction, you might still end up with maybe a thrown rod, that you can’t see from out, and 2 dropped valves, and a spun bearing, and the wrong year head gasket for a sti on it, or maybe all of the above lol thats what I got…. one case half has a piston crooked and stuck in it permanently. kicking myself because canbus is stupid and I can’t sti swap anything or go dohc. and I hardly even care; because I have time to read forums on the internet for days and I want to to make MORE POWAH BABY studying harder than a damn witch. and why does the new wrx, and outback and hyundai kona share the same plastic jeep fenders lol idk… look out when you go to a dealership theyll tell you they have no chips and no cars and you’ll be signing the papers like, “which one’s mine” don’t worry sir; it’s on the next super mega freighter out of japan. I would probably buy this, if I needed something reliable and cool and sporty that I could buy at the dealership for relatively cheap fully optioned for the same price as a wrx, this has looks but you wouldn’t regret that wrx either… easier to get inside of too, this is lowww. Or you could get an impreza and turbo it lol. I have all the time in the world to work on my own stuff and usually broke… once you’re paying the note on this, and you forgot to get that underchin spoiler but damn you also need a engine hoist so you can put those rep turbo headers on, ahhh lets go with the lip and double sided tape, hell lets make a youtube video…how does it go, hey its me ya boy…with the carbon fiber aliexpress fenders. hurry up and blow yr engine ahh this has intake noise reproduction in the cab so you can hear it. if you keep an open mind about it, it’s better than any exhaust resonator delete.

Does the Subaru also come with the pumped in exhaust/engine sound?

Where was this car in the early 80's when I was shopping for vehicles in this category? I need a car-sized time machine!

I might wait a year or 2 before I buy one but I'm getting an auto, I don't race or track and this is going to be my DD

@Teefs143

2 жыл бұрын

Same i prefer the auto. Because of added features.

Really can’t tell which front end I like more

@RLTtizME

2 жыл бұрын

That is what she said.

@KiraOniiChan

2 жыл бұрын

Personally, I like the the GR86 more and someone posted how the BRZ looks like the laughing crying emoji and I can't unsee that lol

@timothycoyne5874

2 жыл бұрын

I need to see both in person before I decide which to buy, but already I’m leaning toward the Toyota in that red launch color.

@Spawn223311

2 жыл бұрын

I had previously like the gr86 more, but these new brz videos are giving me some good angles. I do like the color of wheels of the brz more

how did you find the breaks? it does not come with brembo brakes, does it matter? is the breaking power good enough as is?

Ok serious question now . Would you say the steering is lighter than the previous gen or the same ? The previous wasn’t too bad

Those headlights look like droopy eyes like the actor who plays igor.

Is it my new monitor or is something off with the colors on the outside shots? It's like the contrast and saturation are off.

Nice ride! I`ll take the manual Subie.

I am team subaru. As soon as it is available to order online, I am a buyer. I just cant decide if I a want white or silver limited with manual.

I want one.

@EnforcementDronEd209

2 жыл бұрын

Me too!

14:32 My 98 Supra has Vtec, its called the 2nd turbo and it kicks in at 4k rpm, feels just like Vtec ..

This is a nice car! A GTI will still run circles around it but the rear wheel layout makes it more fun than the GTI. The interior looks nicer than than the new GTI too.

Just so you know my friend, the touch screen doesn't want to go out of the back up camera when you have in reverse :) It is assuming you still want to go backwards.

wonder why they didn't angle the screen toward the driver

You said no parking sensors but this car appears to have them. Was that a pre-production model or perhaps is that only on the auto?

Are you deliberately skidding or does it just happen at 30-40 mph with traction off in tight corners in the GR86 / BRZ? I'd quite like a car that's easy to slide. Is it more slidey than a miata or m2? I assume it's way more slidey than a boxster/cayman/lotus/f type.

Was there any shifter feel difference? Subaru vs Toyota ?

Rear seats still the same tint size? They are going to need to replace the front tires I think you killed them with all the understeer

Did they show the base model? @RedlineReviews

I would love to get the manual, just don't know if I'd like it in the Houston stop and go traffic.

Less copying of Porsche in the look compared to gr86. This is very pretty. Nice smiling face.

0:06 Scion may be relegated to the history books but you’d be remiss not to mention the FRS!

i prefer the brz, but i do think the 86 is just as good looking for its small differences. ill probably trade my 2018 brz for one in 2 years. the lack of sunroof kinda bothers me but that might change

I thought the previous gen was better looking - especially the rear end - but I do like the side profile of the new one. Glad to hear the price will actually come in quite a bit below $30k. Never had a chance to drive the last one, hoping to check one of these out though.

@southshore0007

2 жыл бұрын

I disagree this version look much better (inside and out) and the Toyota looks even better 👍