Speed limits on British railways are always quoted in Miles per Hour, never kph.

When you make a video about anything British Rail you have to really check the facts or you will be slaughtered by a lot of knowledgably railway buffs.

@stevenmacdonald9619

5 күн бұрын

After reading so many hilarious comments, it is clear that the content creator, will have learned a valuable lesson here.

@davidblurton7158

5 күн бұрын

very bad,,,,,,

@SDH-g8g

5 күн бұрын

"Knowledgable railway buffs" is a another term for 'frothy gammon boomers with nothing better to do than nitpick' I'm guessing?!

@c.s-crossings

4 күн бұрын

​@@SDH-g8g Yes, tom-ay-to tom-ah-to :)

@aleopardstail

4 күн бұрын

@@SDH-g8g 100% its the internet, welcome, grab a chair and enjoy

MR MCKAY WENT ON TO BECOME CHEIF SCREW AT SLADE PRISON

@theoztreecrasher2647

5 күн бұрын

"I don't know quite how to put this, gentlemen, but there is a thief among us." 😱😜🤣🤣

Picture of Nuneaton Station is of Abbey Street, not Trent Valley.

@stephenmcdonald7908

6 күн бұрын

I thought l recognised it.

@lewis72

Күн бұрын

Yes, it's quite obvious that the station shown in the crash photos is nothing like the station shown on its own.

Please please please stop saying ‘the BR Eight Six Four Two’. BR locomotive classes are usually said as Eight Six Two Four Two. 86 bring the class and 242 being the unit number. It’s like saying ‘The Jaguar E-Type MKiii’ crashed into the barriers every third sentance. It just doesn’t sound right.

@denzzlinga

7 күн бұрын

don't you say the class as one number, like eightysix? And i´d say eightysix two fourtytwo for 86 242

@beeble2003

6 күн бұрын

I'm wondering if this is an AI-generated voice from an American (or AI-generated) script? Americans usually refer to locomotive number 1234 as "the 1234" rather than just "1234".

@beeble2003

6 күн бұрын

@@denzzlinga I think pretty much everyone calls it a "class eighty-six", yes. But there are many rail enthusiasts and railway employees who read out the number as "eight six two four two" rather than "eightysix two four two".

@gs425

5 күн бұрын

​@@beeble2003Yep. He also didn't say the date correctly. He said it in the odd American way

@andyhinds542

5 күн бұрын

@@beeble2003 Where I work, team leaders refer to class 70s and seventy-thousand-and-one, or whatever.

07:47 Even though the most of the trains on that line were electrically hauled, note that the rail crane is steam powered.

@DOCTORDROTT

5 күн бұрын

I was working on steam driven rail cranes on BR up to 1978, PW cranes and 75 ton breakdown cranes were steam in the main, some were converted to diesel . Steam cranes had better lift power. It would take up to two hours to get up to full steam pressure

@GeordieGroundwater

5 күн бұрын

I suggest you think about it a little: when the crash occurred, it undoubtedly brought the overhead wires down at many points, and equally, some of the derailed carriages may well have come into contact directly with those wires. Perhaps you never studied basic physics, so perhaps you don't know what happens when a wire with 25,000 volts AC in it comes into contact with something connected to earth? In case you don't know, I'll inform you: you get one enormous surge of electricity going through the wires (and you, if you happen to be the conductor to earth - not a recommended occupation). Now it so happens that electrical engineers understand this, so they design into the system a trip: once the surge is detected - we are talking mili-seconds here - all power is cut off. Clever, eh? Have you ever tried working an electrically driven crane with all power turned off?

@paulefc1971

3 күн бұрын

​@@GeordieGroundwaterLittle known fact, what you said is correct, however once the breakers have tripped at the ECR, they will actually put them back in again, resulting in another surge of power before they trip again, only once they have tripped twice will they try to ascertain the cause

At the time of the disaster, my late aunt lived in Nuneaton, approximately 0.4 miles away from the station. The crash woke her up and shook her apartment. She immediately assumed that it was an IRA bomb.

@andyhinds542

5 күн бұрын

Which would have been very understandable during that time.

We do NOT use kmph speed restrictions signs on English railways! This is also about a derailment from the 1970s, so why deliberately show a sign that is not in mph? We use miles and chains on the railways.

@user-xh3lz9xt4l

7 күн бұрын

I agree however after we joined the EEC in 1973 the rules were European and were then metric, ie kmph, but even after Brexit we still use metric rather than Imperial, however this should change shortly.

@SDE1994

7 күн бұрын

UK has always and still uses miles per hour

@Phaaschh

7 күн бұрын

Incorrect ​@@user-xh3lz9xt4l

@clivegeary4587

7 күн бұрын

The UK went to metric measures in 1965 and nothing with regards to measurements will change.

@darleytransportandtravel6353

6 күн бұрын

Show me a speed limit sign that is NOT in MPH, either road or railway .

Why do you refer to all the speed limits in KPH when they're in MPH?

@ben.taylor

6 күн бұрын

Km/h is used around the world, we're one of the VERY few countries to still use mph. We have come close to changing, but haven't. And we will some day, I know it.

@gardenogauge

6 күн бұрын

@@ben.taylor doesn't matter though, the speed limits are MPH, the RAIB reports are in MPH, I would hazard a guess your audience is largely from the UK so would expect MPH in the context of this.

@ben.taylor

5 күн бұрын

@@gardenogauge No. We must become accustomed to metric too, even if our country doesn't use it. Imperial units are nonsensical and outdated and it's long overdue for that to change. I understand the UK uses mph still, but we shouldn't. And I think it's good that's he's using it in this video. Imperial is a broken form of measurement that needs to be abolished indefinitely.

@gardenogauge

5 күн бұрын

@@ben.taylor okay, so what does using KPH for speed limits offer in terms of benefits for this video? Because Im only seeing negatives

@ben.taylor

5 күн бұрын

@@gardenogauge I just explained 😂😂🤦

The sign was not lit because, The lights had gone out because the gas cylinder supplying it had run empty.

Your picture of Nuneaton Station before the accident is wrong, and it is shown two or three times. It looks like Nuneaton Abbey Street. It needs replacing with Nuneaton Trent Valley.

A great video, I've subscribed, Thank you 😊😊😊

@TrainHorrors

2 күн бұрын

Thanks for the sub!

It would be much better if this video didn't use generic photos to illustrate the story. At least keep the time period photos relevant. In the UK, we say railway station. Also, there is so much irrelevant crap in this video that it that it's starting to muddy the facts. Bottom line; driver missed warning sign, failed to brake, caused accident. End of.

I see I commented late on the video 3 weeks ago. You have already done everything I suggested. Now this is an excellent listening experience.

Why on earth are you giving speed limits in KMH? UK railways use MPH and all speed limit signs are in MPH. Ah, i think its an AI generated voice as it seemingly knows nothing about the railways.

No driver in the uk today would be disciplined for running late if the reason has anything to do with saftey. Yes back in the days of BR ive heard drivers would speed to make up time but that is unheard of nowadays.

@andrewdyton580

6 күн бұрын

You can go over your running speed up to line speed, and that's about it.

@beeble2003

5 күн бұрын

I didn't watch much of the video, so I don't know what it says about that. But the official accident report says nothing at all about the driver facing disciplinary action for running late. It does mention that he was driving faster than normal to try to make up time, but doesn't state any motivation for that. In any case, his train was late because the locomotive failed, which was clearly not his fault so clearly would not have been a cause of disciplinary action.

Great video. Very informative. Trying to use correct spelling here. Don't wanna be picked up on it. Can we please have some more please. Loving these.

What is with the foreign speed measurements? We are British and use Imperial measurements.

@arwelp

6 күн бұрын

Yup, it’s 80 mph, not 129 km/h.

@SDH-g8g

5 күн бұрын

Guess what? Most of the world aren't, and don't!

@foxstrangler

4 күн бұрын

@@SDH-g8g And you just like the sound of your own voice, and add nothing but insults the the comments.

@SDH-g8g

3 күн бұрын

@@foxstrangler I give back what I see, that's all.

Temporary Speed Restriction boards don't have any electric lights. They are reflective boards. The sleeper trains are pathed to have a lot of slack, so there is no need to race. You can leave Euston 10 minutes late and still get into Glasgow Central 60 minutes early.

@nedseagoon5101

7 күн бұрын

The used to be lit by gaslight, before the reflective boards were introduced. They were plain, blue boards. The gas bottle had run out and was a cause of this accident. Emergency speeds have an illuminated flashing board today to warn about the newly introduced reduced speed.

@A-Trainspotter-From-Berkshire

7 күн бұрын

@nedseagoon5101 During the time of the Nuneaton incident they were black and white.

@beeble2003

6 күн бұрын

@@nedseagoon5101 A specific aspect of this accident was that the gas lighting on the sign boards had failed.

@nedseagoon5101

5 күн бұрын

@@beeble2003 That’s what I said.

@andyhinds542

5 күн бұрын

Back in those days, temporary speed restriction signs were lit by propane gas, so in this instance you are 100% wrong. Reflective boards didn't come into existence until at least the late 1980s.They also didn't have an AWS magnet at the warning board which could have avoided this disaster. You're a trainspotter. I'm a train driver with over 35 years experience.

When I went to Euston as a driver's assistant in 1987, the traction inspector there at the time, a man by the name of Peter Crawley, actually referred to the locos as "class eight-two" and "class eight-six", etc.

I'm pretty sure we all called them class Eighty Six, not class Eight Six.

Good video, have watched a couple and subbed. Some events I wasn't familiar with here. You've got a good voice for voiceovers, and your recording setup is clear. Ignore the loony gammons, they'll be a endangered species before long.

Stop whinging, even if he has got a few bits wrong, and often who doesn't get bits wrong, it's still a very interesting video. 😮.

Do you have the newton train crash glasgow in your archives?

Its funny all of the people getting angry about metric usage. Did people know that the standards for imperial measures have changed over the years, in fact for 21 years, the standard was lost and there wasn't a standard? All imperial length standards are now conversions from metric, which is much better as the metric system is based in decimal and on universal constants.

@stevenmacdonald9619

5 күн бұрын

Yes clever boy, except in the United Kingdom, on road and rail, there has NEVER been a time, when decimalisation has been used. If, however, you would like to take your gratuitous use of pedantic word salad to Brussels, I'm sure the European Union, will ask you if you have a big enough chest, to pin a medal on. Please understand, that if I went to Spain, and told the Spanish, that Paella blows chunks, I'm very sure, they would be quite upset. So you should understand that, we British, get upset when our choices are not respected. I identify as a miles per hour sign, so I don't appreciate you being the other kind of Imperialist.

@SDH-g8g

5 күн бұрын

The gammonry is strong in these parts, for sure. They'll all be extinct soon, luckily.

1:48 Barely three hours into their journey, with a departure from London Euston would put the train a long way past Nuneaton because it would only take over an hour (an hour in today's times) from Euston to Nuneaton. So was it three minutes into the journey or a lot less then three hours? 2:42 says there are now behind schedule by a full hour so what happened to the other 2 hours?

@beeble2003

6 күн бұрын

I gave up on watching the video, so I'm not sure what it says. The following is sourced from the accident report. The train left Euston on time at 23:30 and the crash was at approximately 01:54. The original locomotive failed just before midnight and, by the time the train got moving again, it was 75 minutes late. The train made up a little time and was 66 minutes late when it reached Nuneaton. That means the scheduled time through Nuneaton was about 00:48, so the schedule was to run about 83 miles in about 78 minutes. Note that sleeper trains generally run slower than daytime trains. Partly that's because it's easier for people to sleep when the train's quieter and moving less. Partly because they're mostly sharing the line with freight trains, which move slower. Partly because there's no point arriving in Glasgow at 5am, because people don't want to be woken up so early.

Very Interesting accident and one with very few documentary's on youtube!

@drewmog123456

7 күн бұрын

Documentaries

@GreatEasternMainlineSpots

7 күн бұрын

Mate stop being so boring ​@@drewmog123456

@RobertSweet-nw4tm

7 күн бұрын

Making a plural by using an apostrophe is an error which is so widespread today that perhaps it is a legitimate example of the evolution of the English language

@doctordeath2332

6 күн бұрын

@@RobertSweet-nw4tm ... or the devolution, perhaps?

American pronunciation of schedule. It is not skedule, it is pronounced shedule in British English

No driver would be in bother for running late, they may have to fill out reasons for it though. To claim off another rail company if they caused delays these days. Back in those days most trains were late anyway and it was very common for a sleeper to run late. A driver would NEVER go over speed limit to make up time. These days Qtron downloads are taken fairly frequent. I used to do downloads every "A" exam on locomotives. These downloads are used by managers on drivers assessments and of course SPADS / incidents. They can tell power settings, brake settings, if the horn is used and many other things.

All speeds on the UK railways are in MPH not KPH, except: Lines fitted with ETRMS. Then, ONLY trains fitted with ETRMS can run on them & must have their speedometers calibrated in KPH. Also, as others have stated, classes of locos are stated a class eighty six not eight Six. This is because there could be confusion that you are referring to a class of train, not a type of traction unit.

One of the passengers on the train was Fred Peart MP, then the UK Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries, and Food. He was only slightly hurt.

These electric locos have something from the old German Class E18 also the cockpit with the vertical gauges

There was also blue asbestos from the insulation in the Mk1 sleepers all over the derailment site.

The driver would have been issued and signed for a weekly operation notice (won). In this publication, drivers working over the route would see all TSR at location and mileage. (Temporary Speed Restrictions). No excuse really, if a Driver cannot be bothered to read his/her signed for WON, then, what about all the other drivers who knew of and obeyed this TSR?. Well?.

I know a guy that was on that train and he spilt his drink

Schedule is pronounced shed-ule not sked-ule. Unless you live in America (or Scotland).

@TrainHorrors

7 күн бұрын

Scottish 😉

@SeverityOne

7 күн бұрын

@@TrainHorrors Best of luck this evening then!

@SDH-g8g

5 күн бұрын

Get a grip, seriously.

Nothing changes, RAIB report June 2023, Woodgreen and Melton level crossings. Drivers would have seen speed indicators and failed to report irregularities.

Speed restriction boards are not powered by electricity They are reflective boards that the train headlight picks up at night And obviously can be seen daytime

@laszlofyre845

7 күн бұрын

Not back then they weren't. They were just going from oil and gas lamps to electric 2 to 3 years later. They went from oil, gas, incandescent bulbs, strobes, to reflective. The AWS magnets came around the time of bulbs.

@susansmith3568

7 күн бұрын

Rubbish in them days they where battery powered And the rule book stated If any light was extinguished it should be reported at the first possible opportunity

@beeble2003

6 күн бұрын

​@@susansmith3568 The accident report says that the advance warning board was lit by gas lamps, and the start of the actual speed restriction was lit by oil lamps. If you're going to accuse people of "rubbish", you really need to check your facts.

@nounoufriend1442

5 күн бұрын

Didn't fit headlights till mid eighties , all locomotives had before were two dim marker lights , TSR,s were illuminated with oil lights into the eighties until LED technology took over

@beeble2003

5 күн бұрын

@@nounoufriend1442 LEDs weren't used for lighting in the 1980s. White LEDs weren't commercially available until 1996.

Can you do the ic4 great belt accident?

Well, I stand corrected on this. I should not have made such a statement without knowing my facts first. I seem to have opened quite a 'can of worms' on this subject. Apologies to anyone that I may have offended

@SDH-g8g

5 күн бұрын

Nobody's offended. They might pity you, but they're not offended.

There's also Colwich 1986 Weaver 1975 Frome 1987.

I'm surprised that I've never heard of this accident as I lived not far from Nuneaton then! This one was 100% driver error in my opinion. Absolutely stupid, and a waste of human life! Very avoidable and tragic!

It’s a railway station. Stop saying train station.

@HamishG199

7 күн бұрын

You can say both. Some say Railway station and some say train station.

@Thatspuremental

7 күн бұрын

Both are correct

@topmandog1

7 күн бұрын

Boo hoo, Blackpools new signage at the tram station says train station

@khmcc5556

7 күн бұрын

Both are fine, calm down

@HamishG199

7 күн бұрын

I live near Nuneaton. Most people I know say train station and only a few say Railway Station.

How do they come up with such uneven speed limits ?

@beeble2003

5 күн бұрын

British railway (and road) speed limits are in miles per hour. For some reason, the (AI-generated?) script has converted everything into km/h.

@lassepeterson2740

5 күн бұрын

@@beeble2003 OK thanx that explains it AI mix up as usual nowadays .

The 86s max speed is 100, not 110.

This video was amazing! If you keep making documentaries like this your channel will become really big in the future! ❤👍🫡

Why are you using Metric speed measurements when we in uk use imperial measurements? I know the Trams use Metric.

We do MPH in the UK,not KMPH.

@topmandog1

7 күн бұрын

Some parts of the train system use KMPH, I believe the west coast line does

@SeverityOne

7 күн бұрын

Contrary to popular belief, there are people outside of the UK, and they don't care about your non-standard measures. Grow up.

@GrayDJames

7 күн бұрын

@@SeverityOne "Grow up". Such a cheap snide comment and wholly inappropriate in this case. More applicable to you I would have thought. It is important that people get these things right. The video is produced by a well spoken English man in England about an accident in England (even though he cannot pronounce the word schedule properly). If I watch a US video I do not expect them to use our units of measurement.

@nedseagoon5101

7 күн бұрын

@@topmandog1It doesn’t. MPH is standard in all main lines.

@laszlofyre845

7 күн бұрын

@@topmandog1 Nope. The whole system is MPH.

Euston has freight trains?

What is Nuneation please?

@benmacca1

5 күн бұрын

A shithole as of 2024

@benmacca1

5 күн бұрын

An absolute cesspool as of 2024

@RightAwayProductions005

5 күн бұрын

A town

@theoztreecrasher2647

5 күн бұрын

Something unheard of in the Good Ole United States of MacDonald's! 😱🙄😵‍💫

The speed limits are still in miles per hour and would certainly have been in 1975. Why use km/ hr?

a British "Eschede"

The only part of Network Rail that has speed signs in KPH is the Tyneside metro lines. And all other parts of the network are in MPH. If your going to do a documentary style video then use the actual facts.

@rockerjim8045

6 күн бұрын

HS1 might use KPH it certainly would on the other side of the Channel. Nottingham Trams use KPH

When you absolutely positively have to crash a train, go to Britain. accept no substitute.

doment of 1910 Rogers Pass avalanche please.

What is kph?

@modelsteamers671

6 күн бұрын

Kilometers per hour.

@theoztreecrasher2647

5 күн бұрын

It is used by Ferarri. Same reason as they paint them red - makes 'em (seem) to go faster! 🤨

Units & Guard vans!!!😂😂😂

Why are you talking in KPH?

Schedule please, not skedule.

@theoztreecrasher2647

5 күн бұрын

Probably suitable, since there are more Yank businessmen/tourists on the trains now. Brits can't afford it! 😉😊

Please STOP with the KPH we use MPH here thanks

@Thatspuremental

7 күн бұрын

Well In the Uk we are supposed to use kph

@topmandog1

7 күн бұрын

The west coast mainline uses KPH

@denzzlinga

7 күн бұрын

@@Thatspuremental but not on the railway. the railway has its own regulations, and often nothing ever changes. because what will be the advantage justifing the enormous cost of changing all the signaling along all existing rail lines, changing all the speedometers in the locos, and changing all the rulebooks from mph to kph? there will be absolutely no improvement in safety or whatsoever.

@SeverityOne

7 күн бұрын

Please stop complaining about silly things. I already have to deal with stupid imperial units every time an American makes a video.

@captaincurly1532

7 күн бұрын

@@Thatspuremental since when

why are you using kph and not mph sod europe this GREAT BRITAIN lol

Blimey some very sensitive folk commentimg here on pronunciation and kph etc.......do we have to so serious on such minor points or is it just points scoring for bored adolescents?

@beeble2003

6 күн бұрын

No, it's not just point-scoring. If basic details like that are wrong, it shows that the video maker has no particular understanding of the topic they're talking about. So it's a factual video where you can't actually trust any of the facts presented -- why watch? (Especially in these days of AI-generated content.)

@geoff1201

5 күн бұрын

If the video can't get the basics right, they probably haven't got much right. It's supposed to be informative so errors are unacceptable.

@stevenmacdonald9619

5 күн бұрын

Yes, it really matters when documenting historical events. This is how fiction dressed as fact can be taught to people like you, who don't care, and later in life, you make a bellend out of yourself, when you recant the same assumed historical knowledge incorrectly. (Like the BBC do every time they make a period drama these days.)

@SDH-g8g

5 күн бұрын

It's pathetic, isn't it?

New locomotive in 1975 get your facts right 😂😂😂

@arwelp

6 күн бұрын

Actually he is right, at 2:20 he says the Class 86 was introduced in 1965 (100 entered service in 1965-1966). 22 of them have ended up in Bulgaria (renumbered class 85) and 9 in Hungary (class 450).

The "cat-en-ery"?? You mean the *cateenery* (pronunciation). I think you need to delete this video and start again with input and advice from experienced railwaymen because this is absolutely the worst video I have ever seen. You're trying to talk about something you haven't got a clue about. I'm stopping it at 6:38 before I kick the screen in and send you or KZread the bill.

@SDH-g8g

5 күн бұрын

The entitlement is strong with this one.

@garethmatthews7939

Күн бұрын

if labour get in the maker of this c**p will be made a railway manager has he is clueless about the uk railway system we already have this in wales its called transport for wales or has i call it trains f****d wales has ther useless they sant even follow a working time table or t..o.p.s

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_rail_accidents

I am not a train spotter like the many enthusiasts here picking faults. I like to listen to the detailed content and gain some general knowledge on a lot of stuff. Your videos do just that. I will look out for the next one. Thanks and great Chanel. Train spotters are real by the looks of some people getting their knickers in a twist. Haha 🚝

@formidable38

4 күн бұрын

Ive read the official report into this crash a while ago and I can say that the guy who did this video has placed all the facts with accuracy and done a good job! Its just the nit-pickers nit picking as usual.

@creatingwealthtogether

3 күн бұрын

@@formidable38good to know there are enthusiasts on both sides. I was looking for quick content, and I do believe I got that mainly down to the good, quality video and clear narration. Thanks for your update.