Consumer Reports lost whatever credibility they had years ago.

@robertfonovic3551

4 ай бұрын

That's just your opinion.

@nibotkram7743

4 ай бұрын

Stopped my subscription years ago. It’s run by leftist hacks.

@DG-hw8it

4 ай бұрын

Same for sales numbers from legacy auto...😢

@justinr9753

4 ай бұрын

I used them once just to buy a car battery, not only was it the absolute worst batteries I ever had, it didn't actually meet the listed ratings.

@worawatsr9803

4 ай бұрын

This list makes zero sense. The best electric cars are either BYD or Tesla. Japanese EVs shouldn’t even be in the list

Have a friend who is a Toyota person. Bought bz4x about nine months ago. Been towed twice, ultimately returned to dealer for 'repairs' that took six weeks. To their credit Toyota provided a replacement vehicle while the bz was down. My BYD Atto has been running like clockwork for fifteen months. Only visit to workshop has been for warranty check (no work required) and routine 20,000 km maintenance (fluid checks, tire rotation and cabin hepa filter replacement). The Atto is a delight to own and drive.

@justinr9753

4 ай бұрын

Bz4x is a compliance car like the RAV4 EV before it.

@worawatsr9803

4 ай бұрын

That’s because japanese EVs are total trash. The best EVs are made in China

@rescuehelly271

4 ай бұрын

Atto is so much cheaper in China, like more than 30% cheaper.

A load of crap is right. I was an automotive engineer in the USA and wondered how CR got its data. Two cars using the same parts built in the same factory , sold under 2 different brands, had totally different reliability ratings and frequency of repair data. Nothing has changed over the years.

@robertfonovic3551

4 ай бұрын

Different owners/drivers have different opinions and expectations. Ie Tesla fan boy has a few minor problems with his 3. Do you really believe he would be honest if asked, whether he had problems with it. Cognitive bias is real.

@markg7030

4 ай бұрын

I remember when CR tested a car in the 1980's that was sold by Chevy and Toyota ( the exact same car with different badges). The Chevy got poor ratings and the Toyota got good ratings. Guess what? The car was built by Toyota. I never trusted CR again.

@worawatsr9803

4 ай бұрын

This list is made by americans. I notice one thing very clearly in this list. There’s no chinese EVs.

@maurice7413

4 ай бұрын

@@worawatsr9803 because no Chinese cars are sold in America, assuming you mean the USA.

@garycard1826

4 ай бұрын

I'm with you Sam. I've never found Consumer Reports very accurate. I've only recently in the past year started looking at EV's but I looked at a lot of ice cars over the years and a lot of electronics. Particularly computers and audio components. CR never had it right.

I had a consumer reports subscription. The advice is horrible. I would not consider consumer reports information when shopping because it is clearly gamed by companies.

@maurice7413

4 ай бұрын

How do the companies do that since they don't accept advertising?

@michaelmcbride2045

4 ай бұрын

@@maurice7413 if I had a millions I could spend in advertising and lots of employees, my guess, just have lots of subscriptions and send in good surveys for my products and bad surveys for my competitors.

My best friend is laughing like crazy at the notion that the Tesla Model S is the least reliable vehicle on that list. He has owned two and says they're the best cars he's ever owned for reliability (and every other way!). He also says he doesn't trust Consumer Reports at all because so much of their funding comes from the Ford Foundation.

@patrickkavanagh3504

4 ай бұрын

I have a broken watch in my drawer it is right twice a day. A tesla model S must be the same. Anyone i know who got one have gotten rid. Including one sitting in his drive for 3 week due to it not wanting to open and waiting on a tesla technician and parts. He is happily driving an EV6 now.

@justinr9753

4 ай бұрын

It's not the ones that are reliable that make them good, it's the ones that aren't that make them bad.

@kman0074

4 ай бұрын

He can have mine I’ve dumped almost ten grand after warranty and it’s has two motors and two battery packs. Probably at the bottom of the list because the old ones like mine are garbage.

Nissan leaf has a long history of being very reliable and the 2023 model is just a facelift.

@vincentrobinette1507

4 ай бұрын

The fact that Nissan Leaf made near the top of this list, is a testament to its reliability. If you'll notice, Rivian, Polestar, Lucid, Rimac, Chevrolet, VinFast, and BYD never made the list. Long Live the Nissan Leaf!! (I hope to see good things in the new Nissan Ariya)

I recently subscribed to Consumer Reports Magazine. I have never seen an advertisement of any kind in it.

@vancity2349

4 ай бұрын

Doesn't mean they don't get funding behind the scenes... with so much online its near impossible for paper based magazines to stay in business based solely on subscriptions...

@patrickkavanagh3504

4 ай бұрын

@@vancity2349 I have a link for tin foil hats if you want one.

What numbers did you use? Overhere in Holland the numbers indicate that the ioniq 5 is one if not the least reliable car

@mnhsty

4 ай бұрын

CR surveys a lot more owners than anyone in Europe.

@ChristianThePagan

4 ай бұрын

​@@mnhsty That comment is plain just funny. There are numerous good sources on car reliability in Europe starting with state inspection agencies to insurance companies and extended warrantee sellers who even post the average repair cost for each car. Those seruveys are based huge numbers of cars. I've based every car purchase I've made on that data after my very first car turned out to be highly unreliable.

@mnhsty

4 ай бұрын

@@ChristianThePagan So which Japanese car do you own?

@ChristianThePagan

4 ай бұрын

@@mnhsty While I applaud your weasley attempt to pivot this discussion onto a new and unrelated tangent, let’s pivot back on topic and see you back up with evidence your imperious claim that Europeans don’t know how to survey car brands for reliability.

According to Wikipedia, Consumer Reports is “funded by subscriptions to its magazine and website, as well as through independent grants and donations.. . CR accepts no advertising, pays for all the products it tests, and as a nonprofit organization has no shareholders.” Why the claim that CR accepts advertising?

@mnhsty

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, if he doesn’t even know that about them, his opinion isn’t worth too much. I think they do good work, considering the complexity of the subject of cars. No one else surveys users as extensively that I know of. Correct me if I’m wrong.

@ColinFox

4 ай бұрын

@@mnhstyI know that in THEORY CR is an independent magazine, but I've seen them do in-car Tesla testing and do stupid things, either through ignorance or deliberate action, that makes the car look bad. Why would they deliberately do stupid things to make the car look bad? One reason might be pressure from other advertisers. Another might be personal bias. I don't know, but since seeing that, I've stopped paying attention to them. If they can't be trusted on things that I know about, I'm certainly not going to trust them on things I need to learn about.

@f1al373

4 ай бұрын

Wow who believes Wikipedia 😂

@mnhsty

4 ай бұрын

@@ColinFox Can be more specific about the dumb things they did in the Tesla? Also, what “other advertisers”, since they don’t have any?

@chrishaberbosch1029

4 ай бұрын

Ford.

The biggest problem is the numbers of the cars sold vary so much for the report to be really accurate

When I was living in Europe I had a VW Golf, which was the number one car sold in Europe and was considered one of the most reliable back there. Later I moved in the US. I noticed that Customer report completly discredited VW in particular the Golf. Anyway I bought a US made VW Golf and I still have it after more than 30 years and 300,000 miles. It was at the time when the CBS TV program '60 minutes' used a rigged Audi 5000 to "demonstrate" that this car accelerated suddenly on its own !!!!

Thanks so much for everything you do! 😀

"Since our founding in 1936, Consumer Reports has had a no commercial use policy restricting the use of its content. This stemmed from a belief we still hold today: that consumers should have appropriate context and information when learning about our ratings and reports." "Consumer Reports always chooses which products to test, buys them at retail and never accepts payment from manufacturers to rate their products." ~ Consumer Reports - They may not be right but they don't accept advertising.

@vancity2349

4 ай бұрын

How do you know that? They published say that and we don't see any advertising but that doesn't mean there are not getting funding behind the scenes....

@joelado

4 ай бұрын

​@@vancity2349 We are immersed in the EV world. We listen to Sam. The people at Consumer Reports who put this report together seem to not have been. The BZ4X did have real issues, so they should have not scored so high. However, when I do statistics using samples, sometimes my sample base is too small and the numbers get skude in a strange way. Us looking at the stats coming in, since we know EVs would look at it and right away say, wait a minute. There is something wrong here. For the non-EV person, they may not have noticed. Toyota is a brand known for their reliability for its gas cars, so a that a person or a team at Consumer Reports wouldn't see anything odd about that. For me, I'm upset that Consumer Reports put this out there and are giving readers the impression that the BZ4X is something other than crap. However, having come across a lot of misinformed reporting on EV, it doesn't seem directed by Toyota or money under the table. It seems to me that it is just another frustrating case of bad information gathering and therefor bad reporting.

@TB-up4xi

4 ай бұрын

Instead they take "contributions" ($30milion in 2022) and "donations" ($9million in 2022) these 2 items represented more than 1/2 the money spent on actual testing and reports for 2022. There is also $290million on the balance sheet of "contributions" towards future reports. If brand X makes a contribution towards the cost of producing a report regardless of any overt conditions or how scrupulous you think you are there will be a bias in the results.

@joelado

4 ай бұрын

@@TB-up4xi So nothing you read is legit. Everything that you see on the Internet, TV, read on hard print, everything is not legitimate. Is that what you are saying. Not only don't believe any reporting, because you know all reporting receives funding from somewhere, reporting that can actually do research or investigations uses funds, all of it is bias. The only true sources are some dude working at a sandwich shop who tells no one that he lives a separate life on the Internet in his basement is legit? OK. I'm retired. I live on my savings. No outside somebody paying for what I do on the Internet. In my research, Consumer Reports at least tries to keep its bias down by separating its funding from what it does. Are they legit. As far as I can see yes. Other institutions are more beholden to their funders, others are totally illegitimate. Sam said "they accept advertising money." They don't. How do I know this? They don't have advertisements. None. Are they getting money under the table? I have no way of knowing whether they do, but then neither do you. Consumer Reports lives mainly on its subscribers. Being legit is important to them because it is where they get most of the revenue. If they were illigitimate they would lose the faith of their subscribers, and then lose their subscribers. Logic would dictate that protecting their primary source of income would force them to be legit. I love a conspiracy. I'm deep into the Internet. But, I'm pretty sure that if Consumer Reports says they don't take advertising publicly, they have to abide by that.

FYI CR buys it's own cars and does not except advertising. In addition, it reports on the owner/reader reviews and does extensive testing and evaluation.

Sam, according to Wikipedia (and consistent with what I "thought"), Consumer Reports DOES NOT ACCEPT ADVERTISING. Can you verify?

@vancity2349

4 ай бұрын

Doesn't mean they don't get funding behind the scenes...

@patrickkavanagh3504

4 ай бұрын

@@vancity2349 Paranoid much. Prove it.

@vancity2349

4 ай бұрын

@@patrickkavanagh3504 Prove they don't get funding...

@patrickkavanagh3504

4 ай бұрын

@@vancity2349 That not how it works. You have to prove they did something they claim that they didn't do. They say they don't that good enough for me until you and someone else shows me the proof that they do.

@TB-up4xi

4 ай бұрын

They received the following in 2022: -$31 million dollars in contributions from various sources - we have no idea what conditions were attached, -$9million in grants with conditions attached ( we don't know what conditions). -$2.4million in donated vehicles which they don't say is revenue but are listed as "auto test inventories" -They spent $65million on their own advertising and marketing and $12million in fundraising, and $48million on printing and distributing materials = $125million, by contrast they spent only $86million actually testing and creating producing content. They have $290 million in donor contributions on the balance sheet to be drawn against. We have no idea what limitations / exepctations there are for the used of donations and contributions - could be legit - might not be.

We have had a few takes on this channel about certain car company bosses being over paid, will be interesting to see Electric Viking's take on the recent news in relation to that.

@patrickkavanagh3504

4 ай бұрын

I think the viking is brought.

@protagonist9716

4 ай бұрын

Viking is Def bought and bot

consumers reports have always failed when it comes to autos.

Their reliability numbers are based on owner responses, which I think is generally a good way to find out reliability, as long as they get enough responses for a given model.

@justinr9753

4 ай бұрын

Looking at owner forums seems to be a lot more reliable to tell if a car is good.

I find consumer reports to be a joke these days as well. I own a Mach-E, actually two since one was totaled by a semi truck tire. Never an issue, and I live in an area where nearly ALL of the dealers are totally inept with EVs - NO ISSUES reported. Nearly All issues result from a totally unequipped and unreliable service techs. I had a sensor fail, and the dealer took 5 weeks to repair it when it was a 30min fix and the part arrived in 2 days. Also, Consumer Reports listed the Mach-E as a 'no buy' and had to remove that two days later due to pressure and inaccurate judgements.

I can only talk about my Leaf. 62kWh battery and it has been completely reliable over its, so far, 85,000km. Something I really like about the Leaf is its speedometer display which you view through the top half of the steering wheel. Touch screens have no place in vehicles any more than you should dial your phone while driving. Perhaps Tesla could look into this sort of display for the up and coming affordable Tesla.

Tesla is the best car company ever and no maintenance no gas stations no oil changes no smog check no corrupt dealerships no slimy car salesman

@patrickkavanagh3504

4 ай бұрын

Just a slimy owner.

@justinr9753

4 ай бұрын

You're lucky, I just checked the local Tesla repair shop and a lot of people don't seem too happy. Parking lot is always packed full.

I don't see Rivian, VinFast, Lucid, Polestar, Chevrolet, or Rimac on this list. How would they fare compared to the makes and models listed?

"Consumer Reports does not allow outside advertising in the magazine."

Consumer Reports has never let me down. See ya.

I have a troublefree manual Thorn bicycle with a Röhloff 14 speed hub.

I agree with the Viking.. EV6 & Ioniq 5 are virtually the same. They certainly share all issues they have and software updates / callbacks are the same too. How can they be #1 and #4 ?

@mnhsty

4 ай бұрын

They are differences besides the platform and they may be made on different assembly lines.

@st4849

4 ай бұрын

@@mnhsty I have an I5 and I'm on EV6 forums too. I see the exact same questions / confusion / issues / callbacks.

@robertfonovic3551

4 ай бұрын

Using your logic, how can a 3 be second and a Y 11th ??😅😅😅

@mnhsty

4 ай бұрын

@@st4849 Qualitatively the same maybe, but you can’t measure quantity so readily.

@st4849

4 ай бұрын

@@robertfonovic3551 Absolutely. Nuts.

I have noted problems with Consumer Reports auto reviews over the years. However, they don't accept advertising.

I haven't had a CR subscription for decades..I recall that Honda and Toyota vehicles always got good reviews, while GM, Ford and Chrysler did not. As an EV6 owner for nearly 2 years, I have been very satisfied with it. Glad to see it on their list, but would like to understand the criteria CR used in their reliability ranking. Curious that there are no Chinese EV's on the list. The credibility of the CR ranking is suspect given the fact that they include the Toyota BZ4X and Subaru Solterra. Also, the Nissan Leaf has had serious battery issues as they have no battery management system, at least with the older models.

I love your sense of humor. :)

Consumers Report has zero or negative credibility.

Why no chevy bolt? Mine has given me 0.0 problems.

Consumer Reports has NO advertising and does not seek funding for their studies. So they are definitely as unbiased as unbiased can be. They also have a tried and tested system for car owners to report their vehicle's maintenance history. The results are puzzling.

Nissan LEAF in colder climates where battery degradation is not an issue is a entirely reliable vehicle as long as it is not used for road tripping.

4400 second hand Nissan Leaf’s sold here in NZ over 2023… They are everywhere!!

@hugokappes4077

4 ай бұрын

yes they are, I was looking today at used leafs for sale, their batteries are so suck, its a minor miracle if a low milage second hand one has over 80% soh on the battery and almost none of them will drive from hams to auckland in one go,, im off grid with solar and have a whole afternoon of sun that needs using but a leaf just wont do it,,

Nice to see the new 2024 Model 3 in #2, it should be #1 in my opinion followed closely by the model Y. Or...maybe the real Consumers don't know what's good, eh? I've ordered a model 3 RWD in 🇨🇦.

@mackan7086

4 ай бұрын

How would there be any data on the new Model3 on reliability? It must be the model pre face lift that is on the list

Consumer reports pull data from wherever so I take these with a huge dose of salt!

That list is a joke. There are documented battery failures (dents in the battery skid plate) that Kia/Hyundai is trying to pass the bill on to the customer to the tune of $60,000 Canadian dollars. Then the Leaf actually being on that list is comical. I thought it was the most hated EV by the owners?

I do like CR and have used them for a long time when it came to car reliability and they were usually spot on. Also, their whole model is that they don't do advertising. It's mostly funded by subscriptions. And much of their data is from their subscription base filling out annual surveys. I got many of them. That being said, the surveys don't validate ownership of anything from what I remember. So if I didn't like a certain brand, I could lie and say I was an owner and filled out major issues. Perhaps this happened here? As EV's seem to be political these days and CR subscription base is most likely all ICE owners. They also had some back and forth conflicts with Elon years ago from what I remember so maybe they are biased a bit. But I agree, cars like Tesla that provide quick and over the air software updates to address recalls, should be weighted different vs actual part replacement or software updates that take long or require a trip to the dealership.

Hi Sam, thank you. If you apply a different methodology to explaining this result, for example write each car model on individual pieces of paper, then place in container, now have a person with eyes covered randomly remove one by one each paper strip. Once completed place in order of removal on a list from 1st to last. Quite easy to explain really. Great posts

8 is Them? HUH? Crazy!

A randomly ordered list of the same 15 cars would be just as accurate a guide to reliability.

I've never used CR to help me research a car. If that were the case, I'd be driving a Camry or a Buick. No thanks. And I don't trust the various "foundations" that fund CR. It is really odd that the Soltara is on the list, given the awful tech and that the wheels fall off. But I've used CR for other items like appliances and bikes, where I have very little knowledge. As I became more familiar on the topic of dishwashers through a variety of research, it became clear that CR isn't very good and doesn't care about the same things that I do.

Leaf is super reliable mechanically, it’s just a shame about the battery. Toyota it’s all about the advertising these days unfortunately

I don't know which consumer advocacy produced the list, but like Sam, I question the validity of its worth. There is no mention of how many cars in each category were reported-on, nor the type of issue reported. And Sam is perhaps too young (like many here) to recall a report by Choice (Australia) Magazine years ago where they declared the Toyota Crown to be Australia's most reliable car, despite it being withdrawn from sale well over a decade (if not two) earlier, and from 10 or so survey reports received. Clearly, the term "sample size" is a term the staff are/were unfamiliar with. So without further information, I'll happily discount this "report".

The colters is the exact same car as the BZ4x so it’s highly doubtful why both of them are on the list

Consumer Reports has changed over the years and are not the same as they were back in the 1960's and 1970's which is sad since they're coming up on their 100th birthday in 2036. I owned some of the cars they blasted as the absolute worse and found them to be trouble free aside from normal consumables for well over 100,000 miles over 20 years of ownership. Hyundai/Kia have a lot of tarnish to clean up before I trust them after the Theta2 Engine Failure Issue, Fire Recalls and Unfixable Transmission Issues (solution was to drive in fuel wasting Sport Mode) not due to the issues themselves but how they treated the owners of those vehicles so I have trouble taking a recommendation on their vehicles seriously since I've seen them sidestep warranties and SLA's made in class actions basically telling people See Ya Wouldn't Want to Be Ya when their vehicles with less than 36,000 miles failed and were undriveable. Best!

The Hyundai Kia’s have bad power boards. Lots of reports in Uk on their failures. This makes no sense.

Look at the resumes of the board members at CR.

No Rivians?

I have relied on CR for many years but lately discovered they are simply slipshod and wrong. Don't trust them.

Well, hmmm. Since my high school days in the 60's, I have depended on the annual car report to make decisions about which used car is worth considering. The data in this report is compiled from CU members who fill out a questionnaire. By relying on these reports through the years, I have managed to pay next to nothing in repairs. So, I have no beef with CU as they have saved me thousands if not tens of thousands in auto repairs. My 2 cents...

The Toyota spin machine in full flow ! How SAD 😮

How on earth did they manage to produce any list which excluded consideration of all Chinese cars and the China market, which has more experience of EV reliability/unreliability than any other. "Crap" is a compliment for these guys at CR.

@tonygrant3062

4 ай бұрын

Exactly.... where are xpeng , byd and ultra reliable top quality nio

Who owns Consumer Reports? What interests do they represent?

@vancity2349

4 ай бұрын

Nobody really knows out there financials...while no public advertising, the way that article reads it seems they got funding from legacy brands...

@philliptemple9841

4 ай бұрын

Aren't CR partly funded by Ford? Phillip.

@connclissmann6514

4 ай бұрын

@@philliptemple9841 I just don't know. That's why I asked.

Only the boring models sold isn the Usa, of course

Nissan leaf is a long range golf cart. Model Y is the best selling car for a reason.

@jimgraham6722

4 ай бұрын

Exactly, Tesla makes long distance travel by EV dead easy. Other makes it is a bit trickier but getting better. But leaf you can't take beyond city limit.

Hello mate

Sounds like Toyota did their own report 🤪😜😝🤔

Solterra is the same as bz4x...

Why didn't you talk about how CR determines reliability?

Con-sumer report... you forgot the -... 😉

Consumer Reports?Which Consumers,Who do they Work For,What's Their Stand on Vehicles in general,Can they even Be OLD ENOUGH/Too Old To Drive?Very Grey Areas From this Particular Publication.

@rogerphelps9939

4 ай бұрын

They are ordinary people who happen to buy and drive cars. No special interests, no motor industry associates, no dealers. Nolw do you get it?

The bigger takeaway from CR is that EV’s have 79% more problems than conventional cars. Ouch.

@robertfonovic3551

4 ай бұрын

And in a recent Australian report EV deprecation at 4 to 5 years is 23 percent more than ICE . I wonder what the market for 10 yr old EV'S will be like? Or if it will even exist ?

@mnhsty

4 ай бұрын

@@robertfonovic3551 About like the market for 10 year old TV’s and smart phones I imagine. But then, no mass market car is an investment.

@jimgraham6722

4 ай бұрын

​@@robertfonovic3551It is very good news that EVs are getting a lot cheaper. Cheap second hand EVs are particularly good news in opening up the market to those who currently can't buy new. EVs are not just transport they are an electronic good. Like all electronic equipment they have a much greater modularity and lower parts count than the mechanical ICEV they are replacing. Once development costs have been recouped and production scaled up I expect over the next few years very good EVs like the Seal, will be selling around or under US$30,000 and enable prices up to 20% lower than comparable ICEV to be fully sustainable in the long term. EVs will then become just another consumer good, like a flat screen TV. If course its the early adopters on the bleeding edge that bear the ramp up costs, but that's the way it has always been. This is something I am very familiar with, forty years ago I was the proud new owner of a very expensive Commodore 64. It became obsolete in the wink of an eye.

@vancity2349

4 ай бұрын

Thats BS and common sense would tell you it makes no sence

@patrickkavanagh3504

4 ай бұрын

@@vancity2349 But the data would confirm that. There is next to zero people running out to get a Model 3 with 200k on it, But a diesel Volkswagen is only warming up. I had a Jetta with 380K on it, still running great when i got rid of it. I just wanted Cruise control and an automatic gearbox.

Consumer reports does not accept advertising as stated. Consumer reports also gets feedback from owners so that's why there could be a difference between models that are essentially the same.

where did this list come from and if its consumer reports they just report good for companies who advertise with them they are a total scam.

Consumers reports literally is a modern day show of diversity, equity, and inclusion. This is not merit-based whatsoever.

@justinr9753

4 ай бұрын

Like Boeing

Consumer Reports uses a system where every little complaint concerning the infotainment center and its usage is listed as a “problem”. This means every Boomer who can’t figure out why their Samsung Phone isn’t working with Apple Carplay is sited as a problem. I wish CR would completely do away with complaints on the infotainment system or at least separate that from the main issues of actual mechanical and electrical propulsion .

@vincentrobinette1507

4 ай бұрын

I agree. If they address the touch screens, it should be things like speed, state of charge, range, efficiency, or any information related to the performance of the car. The other thing would be climate control settings, and other ancillary modes of operation. It might even be worth addressing the map, and its ability to direct you to charge stations. I couldn't care less about video games, or "infotainment".

Tesla m3 should be near bottom not top. Basic features on a car at that price point unreliable or just not working at all. For months/years on end. Auto park and summon are so bad they’ve been withdrawn as features and are not available until they fix Tesla vision - which cannot be fixed by software alone. And don;t forget issues like phantom braking which is downright dangerous.

I think CR is telling the truth, but low sales numbers are skewing percentages. Also CR doesn't accept ads, but they can still be biased about brands/products at times

@robertfonovic3551

4 ай бұрын

What's your evidence to support the comment? Gut feel?

@robertfonovic3551

4 ай бұрын

​@@koryballssimilar to your comment😊

@plumokin5535

4 ай бұрын

@@robertfonovic3551 I can give you one example about washing machines, they always rate speed queen worse than other brands because of the slightly higher water usage and fewer luxury features, but the build quality is the same as older washing machines (high quality springs, all metal construction, large thick belts), all things that newer Maytag, GE washing machines forego for margins on sales. This means that speed queens last forever, and it's better for the environment to use slightly more water but not replace your washing machine when it breaks. Most experts agree on this but consumer reports values 'shiny' over buying something for life. Anyone can open up the washing machines and see the size and thickness of belts, materials made, sway, rattle, etc and confirm this. Store owners say the same thing when they ask which brands have the least repairs, and I have mechanical engineers in my family who are impressed by the build quality. I could go on

Toyota the World Top Selling Automaker 🏆 All Vikings Jabs at Toyota couldn't change this Reality

The clown car in 8th does destroy any credibility this report might otherwise have had.

they doing some kind of great looking with trash inside as like publicity nowadays.😃😃😃 There is nothing left on the ground reality and practical.

@robertfonovic3551

4 ай бұрын

Say what?

😮

So Vike, Why the hell do you announce the next amazing car which is cheaper than some others, is 'faster' than some others (although you have no proof of that) etc and recommend it over well known products? I know, it promotes good conversation. But some people will take you word for word.....

Sometimes consurmer reports is OK sometimes not.

@robertfonovic3551

4 ай бұрын

Crap. How do you know when CR are sometimes right or wrong.

I thought the Sotera and the Toyota bz4x are the same car. Model y and the Model 3 are almost the same car except for size and the gigacasting in the Y.

@lkrnpk

4 ай бұрын

yeah I think those two are also the same, Solterra and Bz4x... also bZ4X is a crappy name :D At least Solterra (Sun and Earth in Latin) sounds environmental :D But it is true I think that Solterra is an overall better car somehow

@mnhsty

4 ай бұрын

There’s more to a car than the platform - body panels, interior, controls, software, etc.

@ChristianThePagan

4 ай бұрын

If one has a giga-casting and the other doesn't and is on top of that a different size they are not the same car even if they have a Tesla logo glued onto the front end.

A very similar organisation to Consumer Reports is the Consumers Association in the UK. They are also not for profit and financed by subscribers. Teslas come neasr the bottom in their rankings; they have poor build standard, poor reliability and poor customer service. The Skoda Enyaq does very well.

@vancity2349

4 ай бұрын

What year are those Tesla? What was the sample size?

Not surprised to see the EV6 first, I read very few and minor issues reported by consumers. But surprised to see model 3 so high... Must be crap study indeed !

@robertfonovic3551

4 ай бұрын

I like your work ( sarcasm ) 😊

I think it's missing context. I want to know how the worst ev stacks up against an ice car.

@robertfonovic3551

4 ай бұрын

Why?

@paulhaak5678

4 ай бұрын

So we can understand how much worst is the number one car from the number 10 car in this set. If we can see what is the average total for all cars then we can understand where these set of cars fall in that set. By only show this small set of data we could get a false inpression that the number 10 car is way worse that number 1 but if we look at total then we my realize the difference is not that much.@@robertfonovic3551

#8 The slow selling, ugly and recalled Toyota bz4x? LOL! What a joke - Model S last, I guess they didn't talk to the owners. Also, I'd hope most cars are reliable in the first year. They should wait 3+ years before doing a reliability ranking. Ridiculous!

Conspicuously, no overtly Chinese vehicles?

@robertfonovic3551

4 ай бұрын

It's a US based consumer report.

EVs aren't yet a mature product. As GM and Ford are finding out. A lot of problems with EVs are more to do with the charging network.

As per the JD power reliability rating Tesla has a deplorable reliability rating. Approx 242 out of every 1000 cars they sell has issues.

@vancity2349

4 ай бұрын

What issues?

@patrickkavanagh3504

4 ай бұрын

@@vancity2349 Look them up. Some of them have been widely reported in the past couple of mouths. Again this JD power who poll a percentage of car owners from each car maker. They are independent and only use car owners that own the car to gather the data. Correction tesla have issues with 242. Industry average is 186.

@philliptemple9841

4 ай бұрын

​@@vancity2349Software updates, that are invisibly updated over the air, are considered recalls for some. Phillip.

Leaf at number 3! Hilarious, that air cooled battery is a disaster

@gilletphilippe4473

4 ай бұрын

Air cooled yes but this car was intended for city driving and not supercharged continuously till battery is cooking ,my leaf as 132 000km and never ever broken down in 9years, changed wipers + tyres and oil in reduction gear avery 2years and batt stands at 89%. That is reliable in my books,

@GlowingTube

4 ай бұрын

Are you in a cold or warm climate?

And by reliable of course we mean who paid for the most advertizing.

@robertfonovic3551

4 ай бұрын

Another conspiracy theorists comment. Thanks

You lost me at Consumer Reports

The following comment was rejected by Yahoo: Mon 29 Jan 2024 10:46:09 AM How big of a hole in the ground do the miners have to dig in order to extract lithium, how much fossil fuel is required. How much fossil fuel is burned to generate the electricity to run the factory and how much pollution byproduct is flushed down the drain while producing the batteries. What do you do with all those billions of dead batteries at the end of their service life? Have you ever noticed how much better the air smells after it rains!

Any reliability report that doesn’t put BZ4X at the bottom is not trustworthy, unless Vinfast cars are also in the report 😂

Tesla model s has been consistently at the bottom of all cars - be it ICE or EVs.

no china cars?

@ranfak

4 ай бұрын

I asked the same question and I saw some comment saying it’s the American consumer report so thats why their is no china car

you also take sponsor deals so wat is the dif?

Cons

Consumer Report = 🤡🤡🤡

That report has been 'got at'. Seems like yet another Toyota based lie.

You have NIO nowhere in this list and instead you have the tesla junk 3 times...??? I know you will say it's not your report but there's no excuse for choosing to post a video with that list knowing how unreliable it is, Mr tesla cheerleader

Ridiculous. Thanks.

You are snack on. CR is a f'ing joke.

This list is total horse shit bro

CR has always been full of shit.

6th 😂