It's A Rifle, But when fitted with a bipod it works as a Squad Automatic Weapon.....ahh No. It is a rifle with a Bipod. Who writes this stuff

@chrissample3047

6 ай бұрын

not a inf. Gunner

@pablo4yu

6 ай бұрын

But they switched their doctrine, hence why they got rid of tanks and beltfeds. Different ways of fighting, next war will be in urban cities with a lot of buildings and even more movement, china. So being fast, small and light is easier than logistics of worring about machine guns, Also… the navy said no to new rifles so they compromised and got rid of machine guns

@Frankypunpun

6 ай бұрын

The same people that say an AR fitted w a brace is the devil incarnate!

@jrocks6969

6 ай бұрын

We call it a saw and when put ap rounds in it 5.56 armor pen you can cut in half a tank , I don't think m27 can do thay

@demonslayer9551

6 ай бұрын

There rumors that they will also be issued 75 round mags to go with it too. Allowing more suppression

mistake...the m249 is for suppressive fire to keep the enemy heads down so your guys can maneuver on an objective. I was a m249 gunner in the army.

@mx500a4

6 ай бұрын

I got to use the M249 when I was OPFOR once, loved it! I used it to set up ambushes, it was friggin awesome!

@rayb9849

6 ай бұрын

yes it is. 30 round magazine in M27 vs 200 round box in a saw...all of the other guys in the squad already use a m4 with 30 rd mags. What is the point of removing 2 m249 from the squad to add 2 more rifles with 30 rd mags? That is removing serious fire power from that squad. @@mx500a4

@keithjackson4985

6 ай бұрын

Me too. I thought it was a great weapon.

@bigchief4044

6 ай бұрын

Yup

@marcrud1250

6 ай бұрын

Loved my 249.... I hated humping it, though.

The idea of the M27 is pretty much the similar philosophy of the RPK. It's supposed to be the soldier that lays down limited auto fire. It's NOT meant to replicate what the M249 does.

@hairydogstail

5 ай бұрын

They chose wrong..The Knights light assault machine gun would have been a much better choice..

Former saw gunner here and let me tell you it’s the weight of the gun it’s self the problem what they expect you to do with it… carrying 1000 rds on you and they want you to move like a rifle man does and let me tell you, it can’t be done

I am a former 03-1100 US Marine. I went through Boot Camp & Inftreay Training School with an M16A1. However, when I got to my first duty station I was issued an M14 for my first two years. We used 13-man squads - three 4-man Fire Teams. An M14 on full auto with bipods was what the Automatic Rifleman carried. Many times we have an M60 machine gunner from Weapons Patloon with our squad. We also used the M79 grenade launcher. Shows how times change.

The modern Corps is returning to the fireteam configuration we had in the 70s.

I just have the feeling that the Marines just wanted to put a M27/416 in the hands of every Marine because its a superior M16 variant platform but to get around the bean counters and nay sayers they sold it to the powers that be as a weapon that can be used to replace a bunch of other weapons including the M249. But I have a feeling they arent getting the M249s off of inventory but instead keeping them in the closet for a situation if they are needed. I could be wrong... but thats just my thought

@edwindeas9457

6 ай бұрын

I truly hope & pray you are right.

@ArcticNemo

5 ай бұрын

Marines are kinda like the Scots, meaner than hell and never tossing out anything even halfway serviceable.

@hippiesaboteur2556

5 ай бұрын

Me too, i think it would be a damn foolhardy, shortsighted mistake to in fact completely replace every M249 SAW with this. Now on some level, maybe a certain number of them & the positions/roles they serve might actually make a good amount of sense, but to do it completely across the board is just stupid IMHO. SF MF

@DefaultProphet

5 ай бұрын

100% correct about what happened.

I carried an M60 when I was in the Marines. !967- 1973. Nice machine gun.

@juliemunoz2762

6 ай бұрын

exactly, something with some kick.

@jimbo1278

6 ай бұрын

I carryed a ColtCanada C9A1 in Astan in 05 through 06. its essentaly a striped down M249 MK.2 with a 3.4X optic. i have a bit of experiance down range carrying the C6 GPMG (the FN MAG.58, litraly an M240). the handling of the C9 is superiour to the C6 but the C9 has a limeted practical range of about 600m. the C6 is quoted at 1200 from bypod but i found it a bit "louse" at those ranges unless using a trypod. in summery i propose that the FN Minimi MK.3/ MK.48 is the apropreate conclusion of this discorse but for the infantry only. the Marines have there own requierments. i only ever got to fire the MK.48 once in a familurization corse but could get effective hits on static "Herman the German" targets to 800m from the bypod. no combat experiance though. if anyone has time down range i would very much like to hear there opinions on it. M27 is an HK 416A1 with gov profile "heavy" barrel. whats to be said about it that hasnt been said 10,000 times befor? its a good rifle.

@jimbo1278

6 ай бұрын

you have grate tast in tools good sir. the M60 is a fine weapon. still in use in some europan countrys with the E6 upgrade kit. that speeks volumes to the useability of that platform. i have a soft spot for the E3 with long barrel. it just looks how a genral purpous machingun is supised to look. handles like a dream and recoil is very managable. hate the iron sights though, to "busy" in my (worthless) opinion. railed feed tray cover and an Elcan MG sight for me thank you very much 😁

Thee 12-man Rifle Squad was dumped and the 2030 Rifle Squad is 15-man. A 3-man command team (Squad Leader, Assistant Squad Leader, Drone Operator/Radioman), 3x4-man Fire Teams (Team Leader w/M320, Automatic Rifleman, Assistant Automatic Rifleman, Rifleman). As to the M-27, the USMC values accurate fire over volume of fire. And has since we were snipers in the rigging.

@watchthe1369

6 ай бұрын

Belleau Wood, some German reports said all the Marines were armed with MG's because the number of hits they received which had to come from a high volume of fire.

@gdolson9419

6 ай бұрын

@@watchthe1369 Most armies rely on volume of fire because frankly they're not trained to shoot accurately (unless they're snipers). This is all well and fine IF you have ammo resupply readily at hand. Marines are "light" infantry, they have what they carry. Resupply will happen ... eventually.

@DutchK75

6 ай бұрын

​@@gdolson9419If you want logistical support join the Army. We Marines make due.

@DefaultProphet

5 ай бұрын

4 man squad is suboptimal. If you’ve got one guy going down and have to carry him out you’re down to 25% effective fire . 6 man squad you’re only down 50%

@gdolson9419

5 ай бұрын

@@DefaultProphet The SQUAD is 15-man. It as 3x4-man Fire Teams. It's intentionally deigned to be able to function AFTER it's taken casualties. Collapse the 3 Teams down to 2, then the 2 down to a 6-8-man half Squad.

Adopting the M27 as the standard USMC rifle makes sense. Think it may be a mistake to sunset the SAW. It probably would be best to improve upon the SAW with a similar machine gun fixing the system's flaws.

@chrissample3047

6 ай бұрын

Saw is awesome

@Pedro-tj5qt

5 ай бұрын

Agreed, the M27 just isn't able to pump out the sheer amount of rounds that a SAW can.

@nachoakajrod

5 ай бұрын

Or make a belt fed version of the m27. Now everyone is happy

@Pedro-tj5qt

5 ай бұрын

@nachoakajrod wouldn't you still have problems with overheating? Especially from a closed bolt, not to mention probably gonna need to give it multiple barrels.... doesn't really make sense to make it belt felt if it can't pump out the rounds. Sorry if I'm wrong I've never used an m27

@nachoakajrod

5 ай бұрын

@@Pedro-tj5qt you would need all of that. The ability to just swap an upper and have a light belt fed would be nice if they could make it reliable. They make a civilian upper that feeds belts on an AR but I have no idea if it is reliable or can handle sustained fire.

I like the rifle with optics for sharpshooters and the rifle with 40mm for grenadiers, but give us a belt fed rifle for the base of the fire team.

It’s as if my beloved Marine Corps has completely ignored history. We went to a belt fed squad automatic weapon for really sound reasons back in the late 70’s. A machine gun ISN’T suposed to be all that accurate - it is supposed to deliver a cone of fire and a beaten zone - it’s supposed to deliver a 2 mil spread. By ignoring history I mean the following. Here is information found by the guy who retired as the Marine Corps' Historian; it is an article from 1940 about the Automatic Rifle squad, and I’ve included here the section on the specific modifications to the squad auto rifle of the day, the M1918 BAR. These are the mods made after 21 years of experience with the weapon: "Certain modifications in the BAR M1918 have recently been adopted and incorporated in the M1918 A2 rifle. These are: 1. A metal bipod has been attached to the rear section of the flash-hider. This is so attached that the rifle can be rotated on the bipod head without canting regardless of uneven ground on which the bipod legs may stand. The bipod legs are rigidly locked in a vertical plane for firing. The shoes on the legs of the bipod are rounded to resemble skids and-have been set at angles of ninety degrees to the legs. 2. A hinged butt-plate has been attached to the top of the butt-plate. It is short enough to prevent cramping of the large muscle at the junction of the neck and shoulder. 3. The cyclic rate can now be changed at will from the normal rate of about 600 rounds per minute to a decreased rate of about 350 rounds per minute. This decreased cyclic rate has greatly increased the accuracy of automatic fire. It also enables the gun to be fired automatically from the shoulder in the standing position. 4. A cut away forearm gives better cooling properties. 5. A pistol grip affords better control in firing. 6. A stock rest has been provided to permit laying the gun on a final protective line during daytime. An elevating screw and clamp on the stock rest allow the gun to be laid and clamped for any desired range. Aiming stakes, or improvised stakes driven along the side of the barrel, can be used to control the direction of fire. Thus the gun can deliver automatic fire along a predetermined line under any condition of visibility- regardless of fog, smoke, and darkness.” For all intents and purposes, the only one of these modifications that appear on the new squad automatic rifle is the pistol grip. All of the other mods that were determined to be useful if not vital in an automatic rifle were IGNORED. Next and perhaps conclusively, I have known a number of men who fought in WWII [my dad being one & he used a BAR] and Korea. These included guys who fought in Italy [one of my Dad’s 2 best friends],, went across Omaha Beach on 6 June [my father in law] , fought on Guadalcanal, Iwo Jima [my Dad’s other best friend], Saipan and Okinawa. Universally, their primary complaint with the BAR? Having to change magazines every 10 to 20 SECONDS. Unless your first 2 bursts neutralized the target, you were unable to keep up suppressive fire because you had to stop firing so often to change magazines. The movement from a 20 round magazine to a 30 round magazine used in the M27 only mitigates this problem to a minor degree - instead of 10 to 20 seconds between magazine changes it’s now 15 to 25 seconds if that long; not a big improvement. The obvious solution to the problem with the BAR was to go to a belt fed squad automatic weapon - which we did. Now as a guy who was rather closely involved with machineguns between 1978 and 2014, I personally wouldn’t have chosen the M2249. My choice would have been the Ultimax 100 or the Ultimax Mod 8 [at 11 pounds, eliminating the objection of weight]: kzread.info/dash/bejne/m2qamMObeKeWn9I.html and kzread.info/dash/bejne/qGWFuMFyeMKdj8o.html Anyone who has studied machine gun gunnery for more than a day recognizes the thing that makes a machine gun a mass casualty producing weapon is the tripod. Now a squad automatic weapon doesn’t on the surface seem like a weapon you would ordinarily put on a tripod. But there are occassion when you might well want to do exactly that. The M249 has that capability, the M27 doesn’t. WE’VE NOW LOST THAT CAPABILITY. For example a belt fed squad automatic weapon mounted on a tripod laid on its Principle Direction of Fire in a defensive position is exponentially more effective than a hand held, should fired rifle. Where would the tripods come from? The wise Platoon Commander would have tripods, pintle mounts and Traversing and elevating mechanisms with the platoon gear in his vehicle/among the company supplies. Is the M27 inherently more accurate than the M249? Unquestionalby yes. But accuracy isn’t the first priority of an automtic weapon. Creating a 2 mil cone of fire and beatne zone is. For expert discussions of machinegun gunnery, see "A Rifleman Went To War" and "The Emma Gees" both by Herbert W. McBride. He was acknowledged as the most knowledgeable machine gun expert in the Allied services in WWI.

Is the first time I ever heard of 5.76cm at 100 meters approaching sniper accuracy! That’s 2.26 inches.

everything wrong in this video 0:15 thats a M240 not the M249 4:45 when fitted with the Bipod its still a IAR not a SAW all it does is increase stability and again its only accurate cuz overall its a Rifle not a Machine gun 9:50 the US Military isnt dissatisfied with the M249 over "lack of accuracy" if anything its doing what a machine gun is suppose to do suppress and accuracy by volume its not a rifle like the M27 10:15 yes literally the difference between a machine gun and a rifle this video is just about the difference between a rifle and a machine gun but ill say the Marine Corpse and US Army have different mission sets as I always tell people the Marines are a offensive force primarily so they prioritize mobility while the Army is a defensive force so they Prioritize stability in other words the Marines are a "small" unit that needs to move fast to survive the Army is the mean Giant that needs firepower to survive anyways this video was a terrible comparison you know its bad when they name the weapon and pull up the wrong video along with saying "single shot mode" instead of Semi-Auto

@Keithrrr

5 ай бұрын

The Army is a defense force?🤣😂🤣. Who invaded Normandy, Cambodia etc, etc???

@AC-uw4il

5 ай бұрын

@@Keithrrr the Army motto is literally "this we'll defend" majority of the Army focus is too occupy thats why the saying goes "the Marines go first then the army" cuz the Army will always come after with that being said Marines will sometimes do Defensive operations and sometimes the Army will do offensive operations im not saying they will only do one or the other but their primary focus is that notice how the Army have done 1 beach invasion even though thats the Marines primary job but please show me more of your ignorance

It’s a piston driven M-16 made by HK, Ie: it’s a select fire weapon. Fires from a closed bolt meaning it’s not a “machine gun”. Far from the ability of what a SAW can do once a bunch a tangos start surrounding your squad… Haven’t kept w new branch adoptions but if this is accurate, its dumb.

HK is rolling on the ground laughing if the US army is buying these as diffrent models cause they just tripled 416 A1 sales. by swaping 3-4 parts.

As a jarhead I’m very concerned about turning the Corps into light infantry. This country is going to regret this decision. Hope I’m wrong.

Rifles have a different role and can’t do what light machine guns do, period

Gunners Wade and Mortimer were both the leads on doctrinal development of the M27. It was stated on multiple occasions that, Marines were told to suppress targets with the M27. They'd fire a short burst and stop. Seniors asked why they had stopped firing. And the answer was always, "Because the targets are down." Pretty simple. At 29 Palms 400 series ranges. Assaults on objectives are way faster. Like across all battalions going to CAX that are so equipped with the M27. Vs the prior TO&E weapons.

@MountaintravelerEddie

5 ай бұрын

I remember Mortimer as a Sgt back in the day. I’ve been retired for a little while now

They could've replaced the M249 with either the Ultimax 2000, or the Israeli Negev! The Ultimax fired from 100 round drums, or magazines. It's not belt fed and is more reliable, than the M249. Not to mention a whole lot lighter also. The Israeli Negev fires from a belt, or M-16 magazine, like the M249 was supposed too, but, unlike the M249, was a lot more reliable at this task! It was probably politics that prevented these weapons from even being considered!

Sniper sight? Thought they were called scopes.

IMO - M27 is a retrograde move back to the original M16 with selective rate of fire governed by the operator via the "safety/selector" (ie. Viet Na m configuration). 3 positions = 1) Safe 2) single shot 3) full auto at 700 to 800 rds per minute. Selector to single round with accuracy at 1 MOA (1" @ 100yds). The original M16 was extremely accurate right out of the box before the Army decided to start screwing with it and demanded a "bolt assist" so they could beat on it to ram the bolt forward when it was too dirty to function correctly instead of insisting the operators actually clean their rifles. My USAF specialty was SAMTU/CATM (Combat Arms Training and Maintenance) and witnessed and participated in the initial training of USAF personnel with the M16. It's been my experience that the military never misses an opportunity to screw things up. The vast majority of the negative rumors, gripes, and innuendos were spread to hide the incompetence of the using organizations who had their heads up and locked.. It was, and still is, one of the best battle rifles every made. Chrome lined barrels and chambers fixed a lot of the gripes about how dirty "powder". I personally witnessed M16 barrels with over 100k rds fired through them able to hold less than a 4" group @ 100 yds. Malfunctions were 99% caused by inexperienced and or idiot users. I served my country for 21 yrs and the vast majority of that time was spent training everyone and anyone who as required to be armed as required by the issued weapon. .

@DefaultProphet

5 ай бұрын

How does a forward assist affect accuracy?

@GarryRife

5 ай бұрын

@@DefaultProphet Does it ? If the chamber and barrel are so dirty that you have to forcer a round into the chamber, it can cause accuracy to suffer.

It won’t be able to maintain the 249s rate of fire, but if the nature of battle has changed with drones etc, maybe it won’t need to.

This is interesting. My father started out as a B.A.R. gunner in France in WW2. But after a few weeks in combat he realized he could do a better job with an M1 Garande because he realized accurate suppressive fire trumped volume of fire. I also remember a German veteran of WW2 talking on a documentary about how an American squad held up an major assault because one man in the squad was shooting so accurately that they could not advance without being wiped out! He said so many men were killed with a head shot!

Without belt fed or drum magazines for sustained fire, m27 chosen solely because lowest bid and highest bribe

The advantage of an M27 is that it is lightweight and easy to handle, better in urban combat, and squads can carry more of it. More suppression is better.

@tonyc223

5 ай бұрын

Its a lot heavier than a M-4.

The M27 is actually the German made HK416 assault rifle, an AR15 variant with gas system suitable for short term rapid fire (good for the usmc role). But a rifle can never replace a 7.62mm machine gun of range 1,800m

@Lou_sassel315

6 ай бұрын

The m27 replaced the m249 SAW which is chambered in 5.56. The marines still use the m240 chambered in 7.62 NATO but is used by machine gunners, not riflemen.

@ncrawford1488

6 ай бұрын

@@Lou_sassel315 It's a shame people make comments without actually knowing the subject matter. I'm in a unique business, and I've talked to hundreds of servicemen who couldn't get an AR15 put together. They all tell me how they qualified with this rifle and depended on it, so they know it better than my staff. One guy was telling me how his BCG was defective, and it didn't make any sense- I thought he was just having trouble with the charging handle, so I asked him if he could email a couple pictures of where he was having trouble. When the pictures came in, I was shocked- and proceeded gently, as this could be embarrassing for some people. HE HAD THE WHOLE CARRIER IN BACKWARDS!!!

This was tried with the M-14E2 . It fell by the wayside! 😏

@chrissample3047

6 ай бұрын

M14 awesome

I wonder if, when facing inexperienced troops, having a M249 noise generator might be effective. Give those troops the feeling they are facing more fire.

We all know what really happened here, the Marines wanted 416s and backdoored them into being standard issue through the automatic riflemen role. Those M249s are sitting in armory’s ready to go

The USMC should take a look into the HK MG4. At this point, militaries should just buy various tools and let the platoon commanders decide what is needed for which mission. A assault rifle cant replace a LMG.

What happened with the push for a more powerful round such as the 6.8 or was that just the Army? I know there have been a number of issues with the 5.56 not being able to put down the enemy quickly, so why has the Corps remained with the 5.56?

@chi2251

6 ай бұрын

Its being finalized. Army first as always then usmc😅

@creightonleerose582

6 ай бұрын

@@chi2251 HA!...Akin to the USMC as the Armys very own 'Frustrated Armoror of the 'Broken/Janky Parts Department' "Here, take our well used n' slightly broken stuff, ok, ok, ok, we'll incentivize every weapons transfer with a BRAND NEW 24 pack of Crayons to chew on"....;)

@travelingspartan2035

6 ай бұрын

The NGSW program is exclusive to the Army and came after the M27 anyway. We'll see if the other branches try to adopt it.

They should give the M27 a lighter barrel and handguard

Calling the M27 with a heavier barrel and better optics an 800 meter sniper rifle is a JOKE! I used to fire in the high power matches and when pulling targets in the 600 yd pits you could almost catch the 5.56s coming over with a baseball glove. You didn't want to try that with 7.62 at the same range.

In a war with a regular strong army, when there are trench battles, artillery fire and the threat of drone strikes, there is not much time for aiming. And there is often a need for suppressive fire during infantry assaults. Our guys like the M249 ))

I used the M249 SAW to lay suppressing fire in the Corps. This just replaced the M4 and they did away with the M249. It’s just too heavy for the new generation Marines.

Yea, I'm sure that'll work out just fine...

The SAW is a bitch, it is meant as a suppression/support weapon but is tactically used as a assault weapon where its belt + weight is liability rather than asset. M27 is great replacement but it needs a casket/larger magazine. What the Marine Corps wanted was a RPK based on the 416 chassis.

@rayb9849

6 ай бұрын

I was a paratrooper so I carried the paratrooper model not the large one. It was easy to carry. I never found the weight a liability. The M60 was heavier that is why we had 3 guys, the gunner, ammo bearer and tripod / ammo carrier. I carried that tripod and ammo for the 60 when I transferred to a gun team.

@mdd1963

5 ай бұрын

Whatever uses standard M16 mags, what about the quad stack mags, twice as thick below the magwell area, holding 60 rounds? If reliable, they should be standard issue IMO!

The exact opposite arguments were used when the SAW was adopted . The M16a1 was a terrible "machine gun ". The SAW eliminated all the problems . Now they are going back to an idea that led to the SAW being adopted .

@Seth9809

5 ай бұрын

Except the M16 caught fire if you tried to mag dump with it, while the new gun is twice as precise and has a vastly better barrel, which is also a lot thicker.

Good video.

They chose wrong..The Knights light assault machine gun would have been a much better choice

"The M249 SAW has accuracy issues" , says anyone who does not understand the concept of a beaten zone. Whatever the reason the misguided children are sacking the SAW , I believe they will come to regret this decision.

The Saw was less capable than the M60 yet we replaced that too. welcome to the clusterfuk

@rayb9849

6 ай бұрын

We had 2 saws per squad and 2(3 man) M60 teams as part of our support squad in our platoon. The M60 was good also.

@DJF1985

6 ай бұрын

In the Marines each fireteam had a SAW, that is theoretically 3 SAWs per squad. We never had full squads though for various reasons. The SAW did not replace the M60, the 240 medium machine gun did.

WELL... The US Marines better take a good long look at the Army's new M7 battle rifle and M250 light machine gun (LMG). With the new 6.8 x 51 high pressure cartridge both have much better lethal ballistics at longer ranges than the 5.56 x 45 AND the 7.62 x 51 Nato rounds. Andthen there is teh revolutionary M157 Vortex sight system shat mounts atop the 1-8 variable power scope on EVERY M7 This sight system, with its sensors feeding a ballistic computer, gives an EIGHTY PERCENT hit probability to 700 meters from the M7!

Replacing the 249 with the 27 was a mistake. My unit was one of the first to get them and we broke them in the role of a saw.

Finally…….The SAW I had in the Marines was pure junk.

My two cents is worth me saying that the combination of lighter weight, single-shot capacity and greater accuracy makes the M-27 a fine addition. Oh, I found another penny: It can be fitted with a suppressor.

@markfisher8206

5 ай бұрын

Like in Coy assault you need suppression.

Can’t we develop better guns for our military but im this case ,the Marines

@ruddle-tango

6 ай бұрын

Research about the M27... It's a real force multiplier in a lil mean package! And better for weapons, look up the Next Gen Squad Weapon and the program that brought it about.

So the reality is they aren’t replacing the 249… just doing away with it.

Can someone explain to me why no one is shooting this new automatic rifle in full auto??

Kilograms?? What country you from?

uhhh not sure about this video. The M27 is not issued to the entire Marine corps but is being pushed out to all grunt units to replace the SAW and as well eventually the M4 for the grunts. - The video also kept showing the m240 when discussing the SAW. As well the SAW fires 5.56, it's not known for "power" whereas you could say that about the m240. The M27 has extremely good grouping on full auto, and doesn't come with a lot of the issues the SAW has like weight and the added logistics for the SAW. The M27 can be a standard infantry rifle. It can function as a gunner's weapon (have fun reloading every 30 rounds) and can also function in a DMR platform with the right barrel. It's dope and i'm happy the usmc is going this route and not the route the army is taking with the Spear.

You have the sales pitch correct… but from someone who was there and knew people who were directly involved with getting the HK fielded…. They pitched the “more accurate on target as an automatic rifle to replace the SAW” thing… but really they just wanted to prove that the HK was much better than the M4A1s and M4s, and now you see all these HK rifles replacing M4s. You cant replace a belt fed with a rifle with a bipod on it! Thats a load of stupid. And I ditched the bipod because I only had 7 mags, thats 210 rounds that I can dump in less than 5 minutes…. Which would be stupid in a small team environment where you need to conserve ammo and make every shot count to the best of your ability.

but the 6.8 mm and 8.6 mm was supposed to relace the 5.56mm?

Wt and Rds down range ON TARGET supersedes all other concerns

I was a Webelo and I think the M249 looks cooler.

Pretty sure this argument has already been played out in Europe..... e.g heavy Barreled FAL/G3's. It failed horribly, accurate sustained fire is good and all but when you need volume of fire, what is essentially a heavy barreled rifle was found to not be fit for purpose. That said, I guess the marines will find out in combat. God forbid.

I’ve always thought a 7.62 NATO with a 16 inch barrel,,would be the perfect battle rifle,, I own the Sig 716i,, I mean it can do anything be a bigger game hunting rifle ,,a home defense rifle and it’s just fun gun for plinking …I mean 5.56 rifles could still be used in CQB situations like in cities,, and other operations it still has its uses.. But,, the army has had the perfect round for decades now… and it’s obvious with them going to the 6.8x51 they realized they need a bigger caliber..

Magazine fed doesn’t equal belt fed.

Going back to the M-16? Everyone had an full auto weapon. I think this is a mistake! Also a MG is not suppose to be a tack driver but to cover an area.

The claim that the M27 would replace the M249 was a smoke screen. The reason is that the Marine Corps brass wanted to replace the M4 with a direct impingment version of the M4. This way they could initiate a whole sale replacement of the M4 without calling it a whole sale replacement. The rouse was designed to forstall any congressional reistance. Btw, the M249 is not going anywhere. Units will still have full discretion in its use given the mission. The fact that this BS worked is amazing in itself.

@darktrojan00

6 ай бұрын

the m4s are already direct impingement, I think you meant piston driven.

@angryboomstick6147

6 ай бұрын

Yes. You are correct.@@darktrojan00

is that a ruussian at 19 seconds in??

Why not use the Germam M3(old MG42). easy barrel change, high rate of fire, etc

It's a good thing my kettlebell is 16 kg! I can easily handle that one-handed, so if ever I'm called, the weight won't be an issue! Me being middle-aged is the issue, much weaker compared to my youth. When the apocalyptic war comes on home soil, I might get a chance to fire this beautiful weapon by picking it off a dead soldier, and continuing the fight! Awesome video!!! I'm military-adjacent and I live and breathe everything military in my daily life, most notably for my exercises!

Weapon systems rifle or artillery is a money business and thats all you have to remember . 🇺🇸

That is NOT a light machine gun because it has a bipod!

Also why they went away from mostly tracked vehicles..to wheeled vehicle's

You're showing footage of the M240B and M240G which are not M249's. Also the M249 uses the same 5.56 as the M4 and is not more powerful. ITs just used for suppressive fire and to put a lot of rounds on the enemy which is what the M27 is now capable of since it has some fully automatic functions.

Will not address diff btwn M-249 and M-27. However as a Vietnam Vet, the reason Army and USMC changed from the M-16 was the waste of ammunition in combat, as all M-16s had full "rock N roll" capability. Therefore the new M-16 was fitted with only a three round burst to conserve ammo. The M-60 machine gun was the organic MG of the infantry until the M-249 was developed, as it was much lighter. However, in combat, the M-60 was a more feared and lethal weapon vice the M-249. Furthermore, the stupid powers that make these decisions want to get rid of the "Ma Duce" M-50 cal heavy MG as well. MGs are heavy due to their capability and destructive power. Much like the old saying: better to have a big gun to protect you even though cops are ONLY minutes away. Guess pretty soon Marines will carry sticks and rocks into battle because they are lighter. BTW, some really good comments below. I choose to take a different approach

Why are you using Kilos and not Lbs.

The mg4 is a 249 just change the name the barrels will interchange ..

Huh …. sounds like a choice that’ll bite ‘em in the ass at a later date.

ok hear me out on this first. i do wana know your opinions too. ok so... its comon knolage that the Marines were dis-satisfyed by the M16A2/A4 and M4A1 carbines. they wanted to replace them in the early 2000s. Big Navy said no (im parapraising ofcorse) and the rest of the military started pulling HK 416s from units that had purchased them shortly after. this is all documented as well. hypothossis; the marines started a "think tank" on how to replace the standard rifle with a version of the 416 and came to the concusion that the only way they will get aproval for such a big overhall by -congress-joint cheffs-navy-who ever has the big red stamp- would be to over hall the Corps as a hole and modernize. conclusion; the Marines never got rid of there M249s (we know this for a fact) but kept them for if/when combat dictated there use and the whide spread adaptation of the M27 was a ruse/ only way to get the new rifles in and keep the M249 as well. i beleave in the next few years we will see the reintigration of the M249 into the standard Marine section. what do yall think? P.S. dont compare the M27 to the RPK/74. its not even the same doctren. its like comparing apples to watermellons. yes there both green (sometimes), yes there both frutes and yes they both have seeds but they are in no other ways semeler nor are they ever eaten the same way by humans. same gos for the M27 and RPK. they fill very diffrent rolls in the squad.

Consideration of systems whose manual of arms is different from the Armalite AR15 design are seen as a force retraining liability. Thus the AR15 following design of this rod pushing HK416. The design mitigates both heat and carbon from the operating system that the M4 and M16A4 have being true to the AR10/15 designs. Abandoning the 3 round burst limit to Auto Fire is what is significant in both reality and the eyes of Eugene Stoner. He was adamant that Auto Fire could only be limited to 5 rounds to effectively get the second round (#5) back on the target. Beyond this return to effective fire, the making of every Marine not only a Rifleman, but also a Full Auto Machine Gunner is BACK to the original M16 doctrine (just the M16 doctrine, minus the M60 gunner of course). Spreading Weight, Usable Ammo, and Suppression Fire ability amongst the entire Team decentralizes attention, that there is no one person whose life expectancy in an ambush is 18-30 seconds (M60 gunner life expectancy in Vietnam). There is no one or two MG's to rush and throw grenades at. There is no singular point to marshall attention to. What is sad, and expected because of timing, is the return of the 20" barrel, necessary to reach beyond 500m with any significant energy. So the lessons of Fallujah are lost, shorter barreled functioning round and systems were not considered. It is simply not time for them to convert to the 6ARC, and when the Army does, and the Ammo for the 6ARC is plentiful, the Marines will follow in that respect (new shorter Barrel, New Mags, New Bolts, better penetration). So after the A4 and M4 the Corps finally has punted, and fallen back to the Rod Pushing variant of the A3 (the only Auto AR system I ever fired, and it was quite pleasant=4x Mag dumps). This is what Institutional Progress looks like. It only took 35 years.

Uhh…the main Marine battle rifle after Iwo Jima was the M-1 Garand, NOT the M-1 carbine. The Garand was the primary rifle through the Korean War. Where did you come up with that silly factoid about carbines?

2 different types for seperate purposes. Y replace one with the other????

Why do you speak in kilogram? How do you make these videos for?

This is kinda bs. The M-16A1 I carried in the 80's had selective fire. The M-249 I carried in Afghanistan 20 years ago. The argument about belt sizes is wrong, each gunner bundles their own rounds. Are We going to have the Vietnam era problems of everyone firing on automatic? I'd love a closed-bolt machinegun, humping a 249 through fields in the winter was a pain. Sometimes you'd fall into a snow covered sewer trench. I didn't much like carrying with my bolt open when I couldn't see obstacles that might make me fall and slam the bolt shut. I'm sure there'll be a light machine gun in the Corp again before too long.

@5:11 is that Thailand?

Did the Marine Corps forget Korea? Thousands of Chinese charging all at once? They are doing that thing again where they are trying to make a weapon that’s a jack of all trades but master of none.

Rifleman and drone operator

But tanks are just awesome.

Im not a soldier or anything I just like firearms, all this looks like to me is a HK 416 with a bipod and a scope on it with selective fire. I just don't think 30 rounds is enough for a light machine gunner in combat IDK I've never been, but it seems like you would have to reload alot if your laying down suppressive fire if the gunfight gets heavy. Those new AR-15's with the quad stack magazines I think would be better because each magazine holds about 53 rounds each. High capacity magazines and drums cuase jamming at times, but the spring retention on the quad stacked mags is more evenly distributed causing less problems with loading and jamming. Plus with it on full auto fire and more rounds in the mag you don't have to reload as much so the machine gunner can sustain fire for longer periods of time. Like I said I'm not a soldier so I'm not an expert it just makes more sence to me to have a light machine gunner have more than 30 rounds before he has to reload.

@Pedro-tj5qt

5 ай бұрын

High capacity magazines are good and all but heavy barrelled or not but put 2 or 3 quad stacks through a M27 on suppressive fire is gonna cook the rifle, an open bolt it is not..... that said, love the quad stack mags too but I'd doubt that the gov would buy not standard mags.

If anyone and everyone can fire on full automatic the LMG becomes redundant. The scopes on the M27 extend the range of the M27 over what could be expected with a regular carbine, making up most of the comparative range deficit. Leave the MG on the vehicles where the weight and ammo are trivial.

@markdavidson1049

6 ай бұрын

Troops are rarely going to have vehicles with them especially in urban or suburban fights and as troops penetrate into court yards, neighborhoods, homes etc, they will be on their own and the firepower advantage of a true belt-fed or large box-fed machine gun would be much appreciated. Getting rid of the M249 is a mistake.

I don’t know what the f a kilograms is. Get it together.

No machine gun? where is the fun?

Prior Marine infantry with 3 deployments, I am so against this change as well as half the "flaws" of the M249 in the video. It has its own job that simplifies everything for the rest of the squad. It's not that inaccurate to justify the loss of a large amount firepower sent towards the enemy. Drum mags are unreliable in my experience, so every 25ish rounds the person(s) suppressing is swapping mag every 15 seconds? You know how many gd mags that person(squad) would have to carry to come close the the suppressive fire of the M249? If a rifleman is carrying 210 rounds(8 mags which can burn up faster than you think) why get rid of the M249 gunner who has at least 100 round pouch and 2 spare 200 round drums ready to go. My best buddy was an M249 gunner and yea the mag well sucked but he never used it and played the M249 like a violin. Easy jam removal, simple operating design so if the gunner goes down the nest person can grab it and go, You CAN CQB with it once experienced, and I really never heard anything but praise after an engagement from the M249 gunner. This is a major shift in infantry chemistry and I hope I'm wrong as well as who's in charge of this knows what their doing. Might be arrogant to think it but sounds like "Army needs to get rid of this, Here you go Marines" was the plan.

The TFBTV made a better version of this years ago and it wasn't read by a robot or written by a robot.

Some politicians and defense contractors got together and made a deal. That's all. Somebody's making a boatload of money. Now they're putting out all these videos and articles to snow job a suspicious public. 40 years of service and suddenly the M249 is a bad weapon? Improve the weapon, or swap it for another belt-fed.

Great Video ! The ammo for the M27 is I think is 6.8 mm and has a range farther than the AK-47... In basic training I fired and liked the M-14 and the M-79 over the M-16 ! tjl

@FilthyAngryIrishPeasant

5 ай бұрын

@TimothyLipinski- Bro, I think you are thinking of the Sig Sauer 6.8mm x 51mm to replace both the 5.56 x 45 AND the 7.62 x 51 in an infantry rifle and a square machine gun. They ought to just use the Hornady 300 PRC for a sniper rifle system or a 338 Norma Magnum.They wanted to have simplified ammo supply but I think the mags would be holding 25 rds or slightly less. Not acceptable for an infantryman. I think a 6mm ARC type round with a little more powder capacity would be ideal b/c the reasoning is lethality at 400 meters + and enough energy to defeat body armor. I know the 6.8 x 51 would do the job but I see it The M27 Infantry Automatic Rifle is a 5.56mm, select-fire assault rifle, based on the HK416 by Heckler & Koch. It is used by the United States Marine Corps and is intended to be issued to all infantry riflemen as well as automatic riflemen

3:13 - you can easily break a belt off at any point. Who writes this crap?

200 round belts

The 249 is "powerful".... They fite the exact same cartridge...🙄

Hummm...🤔 Didn't they try this with the M-14 in the 50s. Its not going to work! 🤨

@boondocker7964

6 ай бұрын

My M-14 worked 24/7 in RVN '66-'67, my M-16, not so much.

The M27 is NOT a lightweight machine gun. It is a an individuals weapon(rifles are what civilians own), and as such is a replacement for the current M16 series and M4 series of weapons. Based on your logic adding a bipod to the M27 making it a machine gun is just as damn wrong as adding a brace to a pistol makes it a short barreled rifle. Did you get your information from the Presidents Press Secretary??

Nope. Not gonna work. They have a short memory. The M14 was supposed to be the jack of all trades to replace the M1 Garand, BAR and M1 Carbines. You can't substitute anything for the firepower of a light, belt fed MG

@Pedro-tj5qt

5 ай бұрын

In Europe they tried the same thing with, heavy barrelled FAL/SLR/G3/HK33, failed horribly funny how things travel full circle. That said, I'd hate to find out it dosen't work in the middle of a battle.

The USMC is an excellent branch of service, but it’s prone to believing its own hype. Using a magazine fed assault rifle in a low intensity conflict works just fine, but against “meat wave” assaults of Chinese or Russians they’ll wish they had the M249 or even better the M250. Hopefully the Corps will wise up before it costs a lot of good men their lives.

It is nowhere near as capable.... it seems like people who have never done combat make all the decision on what we need!

I agree it will be a big mistake!!!!

This is a huge mistake especially when the Army is adapting the M250 by Sig. You have a squad full of M27's but one guy the "Gunner" carries extra 200 round mags or belts. Foe one the USMC should have went with the Colt 6940Ps (piston) because it was more cost effective and then added the Sig M250 because it is an evolution of what the M249 is. kzread.info/dash/bejne/qWeNlqyFhabYdto.html