Dude, if 60% of PEOPLE understood, you would have failed to communicate. In your case, 60% of KZread COMMENTERS understood, which means you've actually performed a miracle.

@DuckDodgers69

Ай бұрын

😃😂🤣😎

@feronanthus9756

Ай бұрын

if you can get 60% of people to understand a science topic you've performed a miracle. If you can get 60% of youtube comments to understand... that's just beyond comprehension.

@RonJohn63

Ай бұрын

Selection bias. That video's 500K views was not a uniform sample of the whole set of YT viewers.

@skinnee

Ай бұрын

hahahahahah holy shit for real tho

@WhizPill

Ай бұрын

Can’t lie you made a great point

This woman read all the comments... My god. She suffered so much for our sins.

@alyssahallister

Ай бұрын

Sadly, I feel it's highly likely that the reason for a lot of those comments can be summed up by 'this woman'. There are SO many men who hear a woman explain something that conflicts with what they think is true and then they tune everything else out and are now just focused on how they're going to mansplain all the ways that the woman is wrong. Their higher thinking turned off as soon as they identified that a woman was saying they were wrong, and so the whole rest of the video had no chance to convince them.

@ghostD0C

Ай бұрын

All this is just more evidence showing the youtube comment section is an objectively terrible place.

@michaelblacktree

Ай бұрын

Yeah, I feel bad for Angela. Hope she has a good therapist.

@caesarinchina

Ай бұрын

Angela is our Jesus. Name is a hint. 😅

@MTd2

Ай бұрын

LISAN AL GAIB!

I think that KZread comments should show what % of the video was watched by the commenter.

@ghostrecon3214

Ай бұрын

With bots and AI, i really wonder how many comments are even actual people.

@jacobash5904

Ай бұрын

This fr​@@ghostrecon3214

@ion1984

Ай бұрын

*read title* / *opened video* / *typed comment based on title* / *left* - I guarantee you that is over half of comments. not worth the weight she is giving them.

@MirdjanHyle

Ай бұрын

This simple tweak alone would break the internet. Probably for the better.

@ElyonDominus

Ай бұрын

​@@ghostrecon3214 My guess would be very few of the comments she highlighted were actual people stating their actual thoughts. You don't even need AI, mostly because it doesn't exist, for this. I could make a simple tool in an afternoon to spam comments with a collection of messages to create variety. That she read comments on a science video is insane. The amount of anti-intelligence people that exist and the organizations interesting in ensuring science is ridiculed are absolutely insane.

I can't believe I didn't know "aged like milk" was a "wife bad" joke from a 2006 ventriloquist standup comedy set

@timseguine2

10 күн бұрын

It is actually impressive how much of a hack Jeff Dunham manages to be.

The comments may not be representative of the viewership. Personally, when a video is well argued and I have nothing to add I'm far less likely to leave a comment than when I disagreed with something in the video or felt there was something to add.

@stuntmonkey00

Ай бұрын

Astrophysics is to adults what dinosaurs is to kids... it just attracts people who like it because its interesting, but which have no educational tools to dive into it more deeply. This is the reason why so many dude-bro influencers cite PBSSpacetime as a worthy channel to watch, but they have no deep comprehension of what Matt is actually talking about.

@tjeales

Ай бұрын

Came here to say this. Comments are not a random sample of half a million people. It’s self selected and will be biased towards people who want to disagree.

@differentbutsimilar7893

Ай бұрын

I'd love to see analytics on how many people commenting watch all (or even ANY) of the video.

@qwerty11111122

Ай бұрын

Sampling bias, people comment because they want to argue lol

@davidjohnston4240

Ай бұрын

@@differentbutsimilar7893 I watched the whole video and it made sense and I didn't comment. So n=1 and assuming the contrapositive ==> Proven.

I have theory: many of the people who claimed dark matter is a theory, didn't watch the video.

@sysop073

Ай бұрын

I have a theory that all the comments on here talking about how brave it is to admit your failures also haven't watched this video yet

@Knowyourbody

Ай бұрын

lol….MOND?

@dstinnettmusic

Ай бұрын

DoN’T yOu mEaN hYpoThEsIS?

@jackham8

Ай бұрын

Thats actually an observation /s

@LadyMorrigan

Ай бұрын

@@Knowyourbody not MOND please, I had a crazy professor at uni who was the only guy alive who believed it lmao

The attraction of MOND to the layperson is probably similar to one reason why people like conspiracy theories: it's very flattering to think you have the answer that's eluding all these smart people, and people understand MOND (at some level anyway) and they know it's an underdog, so they _want_ it to be true.

@RoyWiggins

Ай бұрын

it's a LOT easier to be a MOND enthusiast than an axion enthusiast or whatever. for the latter you probably want a PhD, but for MOND you just need to say "pah, these scientists REFUSE to simply add a little extra term to their theories of gravitation, what dogmatic losers" and then mumble something about Occam's Razor

@jyrinx

Ай бұрын

@@RoyWiggins Exactly, yeah. And being a spectator means never having to confront the data.

@thimkful

Ай бұрын

That may be true for the general public. It is not true for Pavel Kroupa, Stacy McGaugh, and others. MOND wasn't created, and doesn't continue to exist, for no reason. .

@jyrinx

Ай бұрын

@@thimkful Oh, for sure. I only meant to address the question “why is everyone so into such a niche idea?” Serious researchers have serious reasons of course.

@hedgehog3180

Ай бұрын

You basically see this in every field, theories that are simple appeal to the general public who isn't familiar with the data that either disproves it or makes it unlikely. Like Guns, Germs and Steel became really popular for that reason, the average person just knows that the Americas were colonized and that Europeans had guns and indigenous Americans didn't so the theory makes sense to them, they don't know the actual details of the Spanish conquest. Same thing with military history, the average person can't understand the complexities of logistics, tactics and so on but they can understand big gun and thick armor so they'll focus on that. There are countless examples from other fields but it just happens all the time and it's kinda predictable.

"I'm a wimp guy" is definitely how I introduce myself to people.

@SleepyHarryZzz

22 күн бұрын

Oh yeah?! Well I'm a MaCHO guy

@puffthemagiclepton7534

13 күн бұрын

The virgin WIMP vs the MACHO Chad.😂

I love the idea of someone sitting at home thinking "This PhD physicist is so silly. Good thing I, a KZread commenter, am here to set things right!"

@Professor_Brie

Ай бұрын

It’s so goofy

@rafaelchargel8151

Ай бұрын

I have a similar problem when I make statements about AI or Machine Learning at parties. Oh, please tell me why you think your computer is a sentient being. Please note: it is not. Also, I don't have a PhD, but I do have 25 years working professionally in this field.

@lissythearchitect

Ай бұрын

Even moreso in this case - this is not a PhD Physicist talking about a Physics field she has little knowledge of. She is a former expert in this very field.

@andrewcapra7153

Ай бұрын

"Maybe this PhD physicist has never heard of the fifth grade science textbook definition of what a theory is, I should definitely correct her on this!"

@iwannabethekid34xc

Ай бұрын

This is a huge problem in itself, this comment. The truth of the matter is that anyone, no matter their educational attainment level, their track record, their various accomplishments, is still a human being at the end of the day. We are human beings, not human doings. We are not our careers or our jobs, we have individual identities which are unique, and very prone to human mistakes. No one should be above criticism.

I would argue that making 300,000 people understand anything about astrophysics is an incredible success

@samiirai

Ай бұрын

lmao that point of view

@ahgflyguy

Ай бұрын

Yeah. Does anyone else just want to give her a hug? Or is it just me? And say something like “Angela, you’re not a failure, you’re just trying to teach complicated physics to a bunch of people who are failures. You can’t save them all, because they won’t let you. They’re not ready to listen. It’s not your fault.”

@ecco256

Ай бұрын

Yeah that was my first thought; a 60% score of explaining physics to the general public sounds wildly successful to me.

@multivariateperspective5137

Ай бұрын

@@ecco256 she has a selection bias to her 2 variable analysis… what is the subset of viewers with the intellectual hardware to truly understand physics? MOST people don’t really understand calculus or statistics or multivariate analysis. So of the populations, perhaps only 40-50% CAN understand (being generous here)… so from that view she did an awesome job. And on top of that both videos are incrediably funny.

@thelonelybolter8245

Ай бұрын

this

"Its not a theory, its an observation" keeps repeating on loop in my head.

So what I'm getting from this video is that MOND is the best and most mathematically rigorous

@davidevans2810

10 күн бұрын

Nope

@dorianleakey

9 күн бұрын

It is humour, the main focus of the video initially was on how people commented on her last video that Mond was mathematically rigourous, so they repeated that, which is funny. Hope this helps.​@@davidevans2810

@emptycloud2774

8 күн бұрын

Nice bait.

@DundG

3 күн бұрын

carefull here, in the internet not everyone is at the time of reading in the state of mind to understand it as a joke.

@ankitk236

14 сағат бұрын

Mond aged like Almond milk

I came away from the last video thinking "dark matter is the name of a problem." You were the first person to clearly articulate that to me. Thank you.

@Uzotrups

Ай бұрын

yes. that

@bookshelfhoney

Ай бұрын

I came away thinking dark matter what is it? Do we need it? How much

@GSBarlev

Ай бұрын

​@@bookshelfhoney_Do we need it? Do we need it? Do we need it?_

@Kosmokraton

Ай бұрын

I think this is in part why people are so thoroughly confused on the subject. I don't know if it's the scientists themselves, or just a product of pop science, but I suspect dark matter is fully equated with particle theories of dark matter in the mind of almost everyone without a physics Ph.D. I was also unaware of the distinction. I was aware of the set of observations, and (a few of) the competing theories which are attempting to explain it, and also that none of the theories are widely accepted as complete settled answers, even by their advocates. Even knowing all this, I didn't know that "dark matter" most properly relates to the set of observations as opposed to particle-based explanations. Of course... watching the video helped clear it up, so that's not a good excuse for a comment missing the point. But it might be a good explanation.

@ooOPizzaHeadOoo

Ай бұрын

I think part of the problem is they named these problems "Dark Matter" which people assume means some type of other magical matter. It's like calling those problems "Negative Gravity" and then not expecting people to think it's a theory of some other type of gravity.

Remember that a large percentage of people are very skilled in the art of hearing what they want to hear, regardless of what was actually said.

@tettettettettet

Ай бұрын

Awe thank you for saying I’m very skilled in art that’s nice of you :)

@MrSamwise25

Ай бұрын

Do you think they just read the title and thought it was the same as when people say "evolution is not a theory"?

@ryanmcgowan3061

Ай бұрын

So you're saying dark matter is a conspiracy theory in an attempt to control the minds of the masses, right?

@duroxkilo

Ай бұрын

so much depends on the algorithm, like where does a video land, where does it get traction... if it's served in a 'certain side' of the internet, the feedback will be pure garbage but if it somehow lands in a sunny place the reactions are just lovely.. and anywhere in between... i've built and maintained a few forums in a previous life, some users are unsalvageable given the available tools :) (a bit offtopic, there are a few videos on yb that i am aware of where all the comments are gold. some are older than a decade. it's both magical and a testament that we can partially 'control' things as 'a colony'. but a colony can only assimilate a max number of outsiders per unit of time before it 'loses its mood'... and that's why i won't post links :):) )

@mimszanadunstedt441

Ай бұрын

Its more like they are enthralled with her face and tone so much they leave her on as background noise, read the comments for a summary, leave her on in the background, and dunning kruger a point she makes to feel smart, then lose intellectual interest while still letting her talk.

This video is gonna age like a fine wine

This reminds me of "Gravity is not a Force!" Sabine made a video about that not long ago and she kept saying it over and over again, obviously realizing it needed a heck of a lot of repeating.

I got an ad for Grammarly on this video that started with "Explaining complex topics can be challenging"

@frogonlilypad

Ай бұрын

apparently simple concepts are too : )

@AlexDoesYouTubes

Ай бұрын

why are you not using uBlock Origin?

Your video was the basis for a very successful lecture I gave at the University of Pennsylvania about how our current situation with Dark Matter is analogous to Electrical theory in the 1800's. Electricity was an empirical phenomena without an explanation. It went over like gang-busters and I give you full credit for that.

@idontwantahandlethough

Ай бұрын

man.. I think electricity is scary now, but imagine how terrified they were back then!

@Rywen

Ай бұрын

Would love more detail on that if you’re willing/able to share. Historical context makes physics a lot more fun and digestible.

@0sm1um76

Ай бұрын

​@Rywen You know Maxwell's equations right? Well prior to him, there were scientists and engineers across Europe conducting experiments documenting electromagnetic phenomenon. A lot of them you've heard of(Ampere, Faraday, Coulomb etc), but many of them you haven't. Tons of other "natural philosophers" conducted experiments similar to the big famous ones and measured forces and induced rotations and came up with theoretical explanations and equations which described the motion they observed. Non scientists often say "Oh Maxwell didn't even invent his own laws, he just ammended stuff other people did" as like some sort of burn. But what a lot of people fail to realize is nobody had any way of knowing which of the dozens of laws and ways of describing the same phenomenon were the most fundamental. Out of dozens of laws of electricity or magnetism that explained how certain experimental appratuses moved, he discovered that he could use 4 of those laws to derive every other law that every other natural philosopher published. If you want a more detail on what type of experiments I'm talking about, read up on the experiment where Coulomb's law was derived, Faraday's law, and Ampere's law were derived. And imagine how jank those original experimental setups were since they were made in the 1700s and 1800s. EDIT: Also peer review was much less of a thing. People who had decent reputations or good writing/oratory skills could just publish any old stuff. So scientists/natural philosophers also had to be able to read about other people's experimental setups and diagnose possible issues with them or try to replicate them at home. Because many of these electromagnetic laws proposed were also caused by flawed experimental setups. It's not a coincidence the ones with the best contemporary reputations were the ones who devised the simplist experimental setups/the most easily verifiable results.

@maconcamp472

Ай бұрын

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@UndergradPhysicsUPenn

Ай бұрын

​@@Rywen I don't want to bang on and on here, but there are a few dates that put perspective on things. 1740's: Leyden Jars could store charges. 1800: Volta makes chemical batteries. 1821: Faraday made the first electric motors. 1827: Ohm's Law is written. 1880's: Tesla and Edison have the Current Wars. 1890's: Electrons were discovered.

I think this was a naming problem on top of another naming problem. IMO your video should have been titled "Dark Matter is a Problem Not a Theory". So that's the top level naming problem. And fundamentally, "Dark Matter" sounds like a thing, so it's natural to assume there's a theory behind it, and when we say DM we're getting to that theory. DM should have been called "The Matter Discrepancy" or "Missing Matter" - something that sounds like a problem or question, not a physical thing. (As an author and a computer programmer I feel that getting names right is super important.)

@jbucata

Ай бұрын

Apparently I'm one of those people. How can somebody say "dark matter" and not think it's referring to matter (some kind of stuff that has mass) that is dark (doesn't interact electromagnetically so we can't see it)? Do physicists actually use "dark matter" as a metonymy for the missing mass problem, instead of just this particular conjecture about an explanation? Massive, if true.

@atodd8969

Ай бұрын

@@jbucata Good question. And the "missing mass" problem is really only a problem if we believe the established model to be correct. That assumption leads to the conclusion that we must have "missing mass." MOND doesn't postulate missing mass (at least until it fails on the level of galaxy clusters where it reportedly fails), it seeks to modify the model of gravity.

@Caesim9

25 күн бұрын

I think KZread offers a great solution in itself for this. Angela could have "Dark Matter is not a Theory" as the headline in the thumbnail. It is short and concise and clickbaity enough to make people watch the video. The title of the video could have been "Dark Matter is a Problem Not a Theory". Which is less visible on the first look but still presents itself to the viewers eye.

@nicholascraycraft5493

8 күн бұрын

Thank you. This is my issue too. When someone tells me "Dark Matter is not a Theory" I just feel gaslit by the name. This name isn't cause neutral. And frankly, this doesn't seem like an accident. It's called the "Dark Matter" problem because the leading explanations involve invisible matter. This isn't some accident, the discrepancy has been named after the leading segment of the hypothesis space and this itself concerns me.

@rileystrom8530

Күн бұрын

@@jbucata sorry for the reply on the old post, but when watching the video I couldn't help but think of the most obvious example, a shadow. I have no science background, but we all understand intuitively at some level that shadow is not actually 'a thing', but rather the absence of a thing (light). I feel like people don't necessarily struggle with the fact that it a 'gap' so to speak, it's just a gap that we have so little understanding of, and is inherently unintuitive.

"Aged like milk" predates Jeff Dunham Source: Being old (a.k.a. Trust me, bro)

@billyalarie929

10 күн бұрын

I FELT LIKE I WAS BEING UNINTENTIONALLY GASLIT LOL So yeah, thank you for this

@rockstardeath8558

10 күн бұрын

@@billyalarie929 yw(?); I'm just old, and it's a common aphorism where I'm from (the south)-- heard it well before 2000. So, I can't source it, but I know that it's not just misremembering based on the sheer deluge of times and number of people I've heard it from

Angela: People don't find me fun actually. Us: _Wow what a fun science communicator_

@hattielankford4775

Ай бұрын

Me: Am I not people? 🤔

@ghostcrow_202

Ай бұрын

I actually laughed out loud like 3 times while watching this video.

@annaairahala9462

Ай бұрын

I actually consider her one of the best science communicators on youtube

@iandoesallthethings

Ай бұрын

The same people who don't find her fun also don't find me fun and are therefore not worth listening to sooooo 💅

@billyt8868

Ай бұрын

….its fine. its fine.

a 1 hour video of pure deadpan sarcasm is exactly what i subscribed to this channel for, thank you

@WithSquared

Ай бұрын

also, the amount of people making serious comments trying to make her feel better, though heartwarming, is perfectly ironic given the premise of the video is that people are commenting before watching the video lol

@insertwittyusername9615

Ай бұрын

@@WithSquared wait its sarcasm? i watched the whole video and didn't fully. huh.

@pulykamell

Ай бұрын

@@insertwittyusername9615Yeah, it’s hard to tell because it just seems to be her natural cadence and tone, so it’s sometimes hard to tell when it is actual sarcasm and when it’s just her style of speaking. (Though, to be fair, the two may be one.)

@stuntmonkey00

Ай бұрын

@@pulykamell It's not hard to tell, it's only hard to tell if you you aren't actually listening. It's like how people think that "Born in the USA" is a patriotic song or "Hey Ya" is a happy song, but "y'all don't wanna hear me, you just wanna comment"

@lux-co3nl

Ай бұрын

Wait, so yo mean she hasn't failed as a science communicator?

What I got from this is you have finally accepted you are a science communicator.

1) tell them what you're going to tell them, 2) tell them, 3) tell them what you told them

Then there were the thousands of us who did not comment and just nodded in agreement.

@JilynnFurlet

23 күн бұрын

Yup, that's me. I found the original presentation clear, concise, and informative. So much so that I have to tamp down my impulse to think of the ones that didn't grasp her points as unintelligent, bad listeners, bigoted, or afflicted with some other mental impairment. Without meeting and talking with them that would be overbroad and in some cases untrue. Some cases.....

If it's any consolation, I thought your original video was one of the powerful pieces of science communication I've watched in years. Your title was absolutely perfect, and the "it's a list of observations, not a theory" was a Eureka moment for my conception for how to communicate it. I reference this video to people all the time.

@aelolul

Ай бұрын

If only we had a video explaining how Lagrange points work ;)

@badwolf8112

Ай бұрын

i didn't watch it because i thought the title was clickbait with the word 'theory' used to mean 'speculation'. to people like me (pedantic people jaded with clickbait?) it might've been better to change 'theory' in the title to 'scientific theory'.

@IntrinsicExternality

Ай бұрын

​@@badwolf8112 wouldn't that be superfluous? It's already in the context of science so of course she's talking about a 'scientific' theory... And if you didn't watch the video, I also hope that means that you didn't comment based on that assumption or that you're trying to excuse people who might have done that

@hipser

Ай бұрын

I'd like to ask you about the Nancy Grace Roman telescope sir..

@BenWS

Ай бұрын

​@@badwolf8112 I watched it because I was curious in the other direction, like "oh? Did they finally figure it out? It's definitely some kind of particle mass and not MOND?" because I was thinking dark matter and MOND were competing theories to explain the observations. I think think a good video title would have been "Dark Matter is real (we just don't know what it is)".

It sounds like people are so hung up on "evolution is just a theory" arguments and got a bit lost in the sauce because of arguing with creationists and flat earthers. They expect "[thing] is/isn't a theory" to mean something EXTREMELY specific

The venn diagram of these misunderstandings all overlap at "didn't watch the whole video"

Angela curled in a ball rocking back and forth in the corner of a dark room muttering "Dark matter is not fudge factor, it's an open question, and it's exciting and fun..."

@EinsteinsHair

Ай бұрын

33:30

The phrase "I can only explain it to you, I can't understand it for you" comes to mind.

@KarlMarcus8468

Ай бұрын

for sure, I also feel as though this seems to be a particularly obvious example of the majority of that 90% didn't put in even the bare minimum effort to try though. It will never not blow my mind seeing a hoard of dudes rushing to smugly tell the fucking theoretical physicist how wrong she is about physics with just no self awareness on the radar. It's like they're compelled to shout to the entire internet that they're a real life version of a walking and typing dunning kruger effect and they'll be damned if not every single person on youtube isnt fully aware of that at all times.

I tried watching the first video, then stopped because of my own ADHD overwhelm at the time. So, the algorithm served me this follow-up video, and I watched it anyway because I thought "oh, maybe this one will be easier for my brain to digest anyway." And I shit you not, the fact that 90% of this video is you repeating the same thing over and over and over...helped me!! This took me on an exciting journey where I first *thought* I understood, then halfway through realized I was wrong about what I *thought* you were saying, and THEN realized a *second time* that I still wasn't getting it. My THIRD understanding (mind you, still just watching this one video) is that: "dark matter" is like saying "apple-grabbing" to describe the phenomenon of apples being drawn from branches to the ground. "Apple-grabbing" is the PROBLEM, and "gravity" is the THEORY that explains why the apples are attracted to the ground. I spell it out to highlight what made me struggle to get this (in hindsight) very simple thing you are saying, in case it helps anyone else reflect: my brain insists on associating the word "matter" with "material, tangible, real, known, answers." The term "dark matter" to describe QUESTIONS just throws my brain off balance. We're all speaking our own private language (because public ed sucks). (Bracing for replies to this comment that have no idea what I actually just said or meant LOL)

@whatthechihuahua

Ай бұрын

woah what the hell this is a fantastic comment that just slid under the radar

@joamette

Ай бұрын

@@whatthechihuahua It happens. 😂

The french wikipedia page for the missing baryon problem claims that "it is an astrophysics problem that we now think is solved". It has a whole "Resolution" section and the article just ends right after that, like "case closed!". My guess is that no one bothered to correct/update it after the 2017 studies (that the last section is based on), but that has to be super misleading for people stumbling upon it...

sooo.. this was on my frontpage without context and now ive spend the last few hours watching this channel while having no background in physics whatsoever. great times

@erenjaegersrightbicep63

Ай бұрын

Welcome to the Angelaverse XD

@CatFish107

Ай бұрын

Counterpoint to "that screen will rot your brain."

@HighFlyActionGuy

Ай бұрын

thats how most of us got here, albeit at different times.

@syntext

Ай бұрын

My introduction was the spider video, welcome to the club.

@bogdiworksV2

Ай бұрын

so what's your stance on MOND?

60% but don’t worry, we are grading on a curve so you still get an A-

@Rabcup

Ай бұрын

Accurate to my experience in physics during undergrad

@tommaniacal

Ай бұрын

A galaxy rotation curve!

@Tysca_

Ай бұрын

... Maybe I should go back to finish my engineering degree after all.

@LaPrincipessaNuova

Ай бұрын

@@Rabcup My first undergrad physics exam I got something like 42/100 and I was devastated because I’d never seen a curve that ended up changing things by more than 1 letter grade. Then the professor congratulated me on getting the highest grade in the class.

@rog2224

Ай бұрын

The curve I was graded on for maths in 1981 had a 4% difference between an A and "why did you turn up?" grade.

“Imagine youre BBC… the news company“ dying

I think dark matter is kinda like a list of observations that don't match our predictions about the universe

College math teacher here. I feel The Doubt™️ after almost every single lesson. I find the most important points I want to drive home, I come up with memorable ways to communicate them, we practice examples together and I comment on student work, then they turn in the same six algebra errors on every assignment for the semester 🤷🏽

@charlemagnesclock

Ай бұрын

There may be a research opportunity here on something to do with our assumptions about human reasoning and learning abilities. Maybe "The Doubt" is merely the left end of a normal distribution curve that has some reasonably consistent values across many fields including physics and math. If so, then the premise of this particular video of Angela's is simply wrong because of too much focus on that end of the curve. That's a question, not a theory.

@JohnTyree

Ай бұрын

The dejected resignation of "then they turn in the same six algebra errors on every assignment for the semester 🤷‍♀️" has me cracking up. I can just picture it so clearly. It's beautiful. It's like an article from the Onion.

@BasedKungFu

Ай бұрын

The retention is HORRENDOUS

@hedgehog3180

Ай бұрын

Tbf an error is at least teachable so you haven't failed completely.

@billyalarie929

10 күн бұрын

Demoralizing 😔

“I don’t want to sh*t on the 3 people doing MOND.” Lmao

@andrewcapra7153

Ай бұрын

I just got a video recommendation about Dark Matter after watching this video and it was someone arguing that there was like, some cabal conspiring against MOND because nobody in physics is actually working on it 😂

@deithlan

Ай бұрын

​@@andrewcapra7153😂😂😂

@vast634

Ай бұрын

Laws of nature are not decided by popular vote. There are plenty of string theory researchers working for decades on their theory, with not much to show for. Popularity doesn't mean they are right. And there is no matter found yet that is behaves like the hypothetical dark matter. Its all still a theory, and a bunch of observational data.

@deithlan

Ай бұрын

@@vast634 off you go to the green slice

@paulg1256

Ай бұрын

@@vast634WATCH THE VIDEO… or RE WATCH THE VIDEO. …or, maybe you should suggest there is something wrong with our model Lmao 😂😂😂

I taught a chemistry lab for two semesters. I laughed entirely too hard at your explanation of fudge factor.

Perhaps the failure is in the label “dark matter”, as Angela occasionally indicates. It seems to have a theory embedded in it: i.e., that the set of unexplained observations constitute evidence for the existence of some form of matter. As she points out, they don’t absolutely require such a phenomenon, though they may strongly suggest it (meaning, matter of some sort would do well to explain them). Maybe there would’ve been less consternation if we had labeled the anomalous data “matter-like effects?” Or “matterish traces”? I don’t know. But “dark matter” implies we have ascertained that matter is afoot, which implies we’re talking about a theory of what’s going on.

I understood it as "Stuff falls down isn't a theory. Why they fall down is."

@user-wk6ms3ke7k

Ай бұрын

The problem comes when you describe stuff falls down as "the gravity problem". You are blatantly invoking the name of the theory while claiming to only be talking about the problem. Dark matter is a theory. The problem is "large scale gravitational models don't work properly"

@tonybalinski2398

Ай бұрын

@@user-wk6ms3ke7k​​⁠kind of true. The dark matter problem, expressed as such, favors a particular hypothesis in its name. But that’s just a shorthand. Maybe the “gravitational discrepancy problem” would be a better name, actually pointing out where the problem lies, but, as Angela points out, she didn’t give it the name.

@pepsakdoek1029

Ай бұрын

@@user-wk6ms3ke7k This PHD in physics says repeatedly (like 20x or more) in this video: "Dark matter is not a theory". Why are you saying it's a theory? Please rewatch the video. It's not a theory...

@IronCakeN

Ай бұрын

@@user-wk6ms3ke7k ehh yes and no. The dark matter problem is a good name for it regardless (at least within science), because the whole issue is that our observations are that everything is behaving as if there is a load of extra matter that we can't detect. That doesn't mean there is this extra matter, but just that any theory needs to explain why it looks like there is extra matter. It's the same as calling it the stuff falls down problem. I'll grant you that the name is probably really confusing to a layperson since it really does sound like it means there *is* this extra matter, but that's just a misunderstanding. It's called that because we need an explanation as to why galaxies behave as if they have a bunch of invisible matter, whether that matter is really there or not.

@spurdosparde5345

Ай бұрын

@@tonybalinski2398 As if that doesn't point to mond.

I am 100% convinced that there is an enormous contingent people who see a title and thumbnail, and assume they must already know everything you are going to say, and so they can comment as if they have watched the video without actually taking the time to listen to it. There's almost nothing you can do about these people while keeping titles and thumbnails interesting for the Algorithm.

@killyosaur2018

Ай бұрын

I feel like she could have titled this "Dark Matter is the name we give to the collection of observations explaining a problem with the Standard Model's predictions of the universe" and still had people claiming either she doesn't know what she is talking about or making further comments about Mond and the like. At some point no amount of further explanation is going to convince anyone to actually watch the video and comprehend the statements therein.

@takanara7

Ай бұрын

@@killyosaur2018 I actually once had that happen in a comment thread, lol. I explained what the term "Dark Matter" actually meant and a bunch of people who just knew about it from like pop-science articles said I was wrong. Pretty annoying.

@katiekawaii

Ай бұрын

Yes, that's exactly what happens.

@MarshalMarrs-eu9yh

Ай бұрын

The existence of “Dark Matter” is possibly one of the myriad of signs that the universe is just a very elaborate simulation.

@dabwiso784

Ай бұрын

Least favourite thing is when an interesting video has a question as a title and most comments are just answering the question instead of commenting on the content of the video.

KZread should add a feature that shows how much of the video each commenter watched

KZread recommended this to me the other day. It was so good I instantly subscribed and have been binging your channel ever since. It's funny that, in a video about your "failure" to communicate wrt another video of yours I hadn't even seen, I found myself thinking "man, what a great communicator, I need to watch everything they've ever made!" I don't even know anything about physics! I guess I'm just a sucker for tongue-in-cheek self-derision and repeating the central thesis over and over. Dark matter is not a theory, it's a list of observations! Brilliant.

“I don’t want to shit on the 3 people doing mond” is the coldest burn.

@rawnet101

Ай бұрын

It cracked me up too. It’s one of the things I love most about this channel. 😂

@411bvRGiskard

Ай бұрын

@@rawnet101 She is ruthless…with a wry smile

@SpenceReam

Ай бұрын

*For real!* I freaking died… 💀

@richardnicholas2957

Ай бұрын

There are way more than 3 people doing MOND. She thinks its 3 because very few MOND people show up at dark matter conferences. That is because MOND is not a hypothesis for dark matter despite what she claims. It is a competing hypothesis to dark matter.

@411bvRGiskard

Ай бұрын

@@richardnicholas2957 1) No shit there are prob more than three. It was her jab at a wholly incomplete hypothesis that gets more air time than it seemingly deserves. 2) Well by all accounts, it’s a poorly conceived alternative that doesn’t fit observations without convenient synthetic twists.

56:34 "I have sent it to all my dark matter friends." Saddest kind of friendship. You can't even be sure they're real, they might just be a fudge factor or a modified form of gravity. (In case you are compelled to do another statistical analysis of your comments, and it's not obvious, this is a joke. Dark matter is a collection of observations, much like friendship. We know its real, but we can't always explain why people or particles put up with us enough to stick around.)

@mannygee005

Ай бұрын

Dark matter friends are not a theory.

@Procoffeiev

Ай бұрын

I think dark matter friends are made of dark matter. (This reply is summarising the comment as a reply for the algorithm or something, nobody understands how the algorithm works, it's just a theory).

@xHomu

Ай бұрын

Maybe the real dark matter is the friends we made along the way.

@Kosmokraton

Ай бұрын

Maybe the friends we made along the way are the real dark matter.

Holy shit this is an incredible followup. Incredible sense of humor and delivery! Its a little reminiscent of Jenny Nicholson with the tone and the brutal servings of snark. What a gem to find a person like you to talk about physics like you do. I really appreciate your work and effort put into communicating all these ideas! You have a stellar ability to explain things in a way which is approachable and gets into the weeds in what might be called a casual or conversational way.

The video you’re doing an autopsy on here is one of the first videos of yours I watched and it was so good and explained every thing so well I’ve watched everything you’ve done since.

43:39 "Dark matter disproved Ottawa university" now that's a headline! A whole university cancelled by dark matter.

The connection between dark matter and MOND is very easy to explain using violin plots based on string theory. My AI, which definitely exists, is going to write a paper on this as soon as it finishes building my space elevator, which we can and should use.

@obansrinathan

Ай бұрын

Does it also involve how the scouring of the shire was both boring and unnecessary in the books and should have been in the movies?

@phil6419

Ай бұрын

If you need my net positive commercial fusion reactor it will be ready tomorrow.

@wraithwrecker_

Ай бұрын

I love this comment. This og shit.

@johnclifford4185

Ай бұрын

@@phil6419 I can have it ready decades ago if you throw in my time machine!

@perkinscurry8665

Ай бұрын

You can power your space elevator with anti-matter because it falls up.

I think the biggest problem with dark matter is nomenclature. When people say “dark matter“ it implies that we know what dark matter is. Instead of saying “dark matter“, I think this problem should be called “missing mass“. That would instantly convey to people that there’s something missing that we don’t understand that we haven’t found and that means further research. When you say that dark elephants are attacking your house you are implying there are indeed elephants, and we know what elephants are, and that these particular elephants are dark. When you say dark matter, you were implying that we know that there’s matter and that it is dark when in reality, we don’t know exactly what it is. It may not be matter at all. in my experience, nomenclature is one of the most important things to get right and in the case of dark matter, unfortunately, has not been gotten right at all and causes lots and lots of misunderstanding.

@meetsys

29 күн бұрын

Exactly this. Its hard enough to understand some concepts in science without constantly fighting with the part of the brain that interprets words. I wish we had a language that worked like a phonetic alphabet, with each word conveying one idea or thing.

@Cat-tastrophee

17 күн бұрын

I was going to say this! But I was worried I was being a dumbass by missing an important part. "Dark matter" sounds like detectable matter in space that we just can't see, instead of a gap in our understanding of the data.

@wbwarren57

17 күн бұрын

@@Cat-tastrophee Thanks, from one dumbass to another!

Maan, the *snark* of this video is so beautiful to behold. Repeatedly saying, "I probably should have said..." Cutting to the original video with you saying *exactly* that thing and then saying, "It's my fault for not saying it in the original video. I'm a bad Science Communicator."" This is chef's kiss level snark. And the amount of people now commenting on THIS video trying to give you reassurance that you shouldn't feel bad for not saying it... It's... Beautiful.

@asmodean3387

Ай бұрын

I was thinking this the whole time watching the video and laughing so hard. This video was a wolf dressed up in sheep's clothing as in pretending to say she is bad at communicating while actually just giving her chance to dunk on those commentors while appearing nice about it. And I loved it. You can see it when she ends the video with her anecdote of not caring about the opinion of the guy who called her a liar to her face, aka the commentors. 😂

@creepylookingtree

Ай бұрын

maybe dark matter is actually all the salt emanating from this video? though obviously to make it work we'd still need a slight modification to the laws of gravity at large scales.

@GSBarlev

Ай бұрын

​@@creepylookingtreeIf that's true, I really want to visit those galaxies with the super high densities of DM. I would finally find my home in the universe.

@altrag

Ай бұрын

@@creepylookingtree MOdified iNternet Debate to the rescue.

@Professor_Brie

Ай бұрын

I’m surprised that no other comments seem to be noticing this

"I wanted to lead the audience to a conclusion by presenting all the evidence" Your optimism warms my jaded soul

I've been binging Star Trek TNG and I literally just watched the Tam Elbron episode like an hour ago, it seriously threw me for a loop when you brought that up out of the blue

"Dark matter is not invisible, it's just dark" Um... If it doesn't interact with photons, how is that not "invisible"? What's invisible then?

Hey Angela, I just wanted to say that as a High school Teacher, your frustration with people having the point of the lesson go over their head is super common. Don’t beat yourself up about it too hard. You’re doing the right thing that any good educator would do when faced with this reality, reteach 👍

@KarlMarcus8468

Ай бұрын

I think that was a very sweet comment to make but I think if the extremely subtle sarcasm I managed to pick up on from this video is any indication, she's not to worried about it. I almost just would have missed it until around the 12th time where she had read comment from that prior video, then played a clip of herself from that very same video where she had already clearly stated the information which would have directly addressed the commenters objection with the phrase "what we have here, is a failure to communicate" written with a rather large font on the bottom entire half of the screen. you know, blink and you'd miss it. say uh, what subject do you primarily teach there at that High school Teaching job you've got? I'm hoping it's not English, that is.

“Dark matter is not a theory but a set of observations” is burned permanently into my brain now so I think you were very clear about that. I realise you are being hard on yourself for comedy purposes but it’s a bit hard to watch: you’re doing great, Angela! Just bear in mind people like me who watched the video, went, “huh, interesting” using their interior monologues and didn’t comment. I guess you could say we’re the KZread dark matter! (We might be neutrinos.)

@matthewwalker6805

Ай бұрын

Oh so maybe the universe is the analytics mechanism for a social media platform beyond our abilities to comprehend, and the observable universe is comments and gravity is views. Dark energy was paid marketing in the early days of the platform resulting in hyperinflation. This explains everything. 😁

@GSBarlev

Ай бұрын

I will be forever grateful for her introducing me to the Dark Matter Rap.

@scribblescrabble3185

Ай бұрын

I certainly have more mass than a neutrino, maybe I should try oscillating too.

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Ай бұрын

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@michaelmicek

Ай бұрын

And thank goodness she didn't title it that or we never would have gotten this video.

I found your vid maybe a year ago and have been subscribed since. I probably didn't leave a comment. I was trying to find a easy to digest vid from someone who had working in the field and your great, also love your style!

i have literally never heard the expression "lets open the crockpot i'll show you how the dip is made" but that's great it's going in my rotation

If dark matter turns out to be made of fudge it's going to be very confusing

@Asiago9

Ай бұрын

A very tasty confusion at least

@Snow_Fire_Flame

Ай бұрын

Could be important provisions for deep space trips in the far future... all the people in cryosleep can be kept on the fudge diet.

@XDarkxSteel

Ай бұрын

If that's the case this video will definitely age like fudge

@ncpolley

Ай бұрын

The perfect solution

@byrnemeister2008

Ай бұрын

Ok, this is the winning comment so far. Did actually laugh out loud.

“I don’t wanna shit on the three people doing MOND” Just savage

@philipstuckey4922

Ай бұрын

I love me some damning with faint praise

@calmkat9032

Ай бұрын

Blud is starting kayfabe with Sabine Hossenfelder.

@calmkat9032

Ай бұрын

Kayfabe might be the wrong word. But it's the kind of thing a drama KZreadr would hop on if any of them watched stuff like this.

"dOeS hOt WaTeR bOiL fAsTeR tHaN cOlD wAtEr?😂" "Sir, I would like it if you tried to boil gasoline."

You are clearly very intelligent. I love hearing you talk. Something we can all observe from endless youtube channels is: when we have a point to share with the world, it will not be received well by everyone. Some will not understand, some will argue your point, some will argue your personality and im sure there is a list of other types of responses. I didn't see your first video but your message is quite clear on this one. And I think a lot of people will appreciate this considering it isn't always explained this way. Listening to you I feel like I have an inside scope into the physics community, something we don't get from say a Brian Greene book. Magazines and news articles often make spectacular claims or try to sell something as some newly discovered fact when physicists aren't in agreement about such a thing. You are giving people information from a humble, honest perspective and it is refreshing and educational. So thanks for your content it really is awesome. I'll probably be binging it for the next week or two and I find it to be quite fascinating and educational.

If only this was 4 hours and there was a Porg costume.

@MrAgamble

Ай бұрын

Two sides of a coin. Two genres of one person.

@GSBarlev

Ай бұрын

Last time she -threatening us with- promised us a six-hour video of Mrs. Robinson Stokes. I'm trying to figure out what Patreon level unlocks that.

@allenkwan8310

Ай бұрын

@@GSBarlev She needs a monthly ramble tier.

@horsemumbler1

Ай бұрын

I want a crossover now.

@vivianbombycilla9142

Ай бұрын

@@allenkwan8310 there *is* a monthly ramble tier. just sayin’

60% of people understanding anything is a spectacular achievement

@billyalarie929

10 күн бұрын

It’s a spectacular achievement that she got me, a FLORIDA COMMUNITY COLLEGE DROPOUT, to understand (relatively) what was being talked about in that one.

52:36 - Ren and Stimpy conjectured about this: kzread.infoUgkxGZqMA4htJ5AEy48BzxFn1LrzlHseePUF?si=82uLPno1mbNl9Imt

your closing thoughts made me remember an important consideration for making anything & dealing with the criticism: don't make stuff for those who are committed to misunderstanding it, make stuff for the people that what you're talking about, the ones who'd enjoy to have a discussion with

Aged Milk! Do we need it? What is it. Where is it. How Old? Do we need it? Do we need it? Do we need it? Do we need it?

@rsm3t

Ай бұрын

Quantum quantum quantum? Quantum quantum quantum quantum!

@mal2ksc

Ай бұрын

So old it has turned to cheese.

@chrisl6546

Ай бұрын

@@mal2ksc Maybe it's not the moon that's made of cheese, but dark matter! It would make interstellar travel much easier if we could always count on finding cheese.

@tmzilla

Ай бұрын

@@rsm3t quantillus 😂

it's pretty simple. people see the "dark matter is not a theory" and their brain instantly goes into tribalism mode cause they've seen a similar sentence used in the evolution "debate" where creationists say "evolution is just a theory"

@timothyfuller683

Ай бұрын

A Game Theory! Sorry, I had to....

@takanara7

Ай бұрын

I think the comment she highlighted, the person was being pedantic about the definition of "theory" as opposed to "hypothesis." Like, I remember learning that definition of "theory" vs "hypothesis" literally in like elementary school. But like, using those pedantic definitions if it's not a hypothesis then it can't be a theory either, so the comment was illogical.

@RobinOttens

Ай бұрын

@@dob6074 The name is so bad. "Dark matter" sounds cool and mysterious, sure. And it is a decent name for the observations; "something" that sorta behaves matter-like that is invisible. But calling it matter also just makes it sound like a tangible, physical thing to most people. Not something you still need theories to explain what you're even seeing.

@__christopher__

Ай бұрын

​@@RobinOttensmaybe it should be called "excess gravitation" instead. After all, gravitation is what's actually measured.

@mal3diction

Ай бұрын

@@RobinOttens It's not invisible, it's dark! I honestly don't know what the distinction is here but I picked that one up through repetition.

This is a really fun video and I think the self reflection is great and hilarious at the same time. Well done - really clever! I enjoy your channel, so thanks!

I think you communicated greatly in both that video and this one. Like you said, people going in with preconceived ideas makes it harder for THEM to understand, and I think that's much more on them than on you. You also have a nice voice and face, so that made it easier for me personally to understand, plus a woman ranting and rambling about her passion.

The problem with communication is that you expect people to listen, but quite often they aren't listening, but waiting for you to shut up so they can give their opinion.

@Tim3.14

Ай бұрын

I wonder how many of those commenters watched even half way through the video

@xBINARYGODx

Ай бұрын

This - videos that clearly explain why MOND is one of the worst explanations, comparatively, are just loaded with comments from mond people who are complaining about others being religious about science when really its them and the people like them that are being "religious" about mond.

@rodneytopor1846

Ай бұрын

I've heard that the definition of a conversation is when two people take it in turns to wait for the other person to stop speaking so that they can speak!

@jell0goeswiggle

Ай бұрын

>waiting for you to shut up so they can give their opinion. That describes the big bang denial guy perfectly. I'd give 10:1 odds he's a fundamentalist Christian who had no intention of ever believing a naturalistic explanation for the beginning of the universe.

@zynga726

Ай бұрын

The video is 1 hour. I don't have that luxury anymore. I read comments to get the gist of the video and that's the problem. If the video were 15 min or less I would watch them.

two confounders to keep in mind, people who watched and understood but didn't comment, and people who commented but didn't even watch

@FridgidIdgit

Ай бұрын

Definitely some selection bias in this study's participants

@scottbrower9052

Ай бұрын

100%

@kbm2055

Ай бұрын

I believe there is a segment of commenters who use KZread as a message board only (on some types of videos anyway). I find it aggravating when posters mention something that the video already pointed out as if they are enlightening everyone.

@Nyocurio

Ай бұрын

I would guess that if a video presents something you disagree with, you're much more likely to comment overall, the same way you're more likely to leave a (bad) review on amazon if something went wrong.

@foobargorch

Ай бұрын

@@Nyocurio well this video, at least to me, convincingly makes the point that they didn't actually disagree, i.e. they are strawman disagreements that are presumptuous what the older video is about

You communication style works perfectly for me -- I get the message, I understand the science, I get the jokes, I like the jokes, I appreciate the self deprecation, i whole heartedly recommend you to my friends. Please produce more videos on whatever subject strikes your interest.

"So the title of this video is not clickbait. Dark matter is not a theory and I think there's some confusion about that. So today I want to go over my top three- just my personal favorite evidences for dark matter." Maybe those 40% of commenters were mainly commenting based on the intro alone?

"They're just leaving the thesis of the video in a comment, which I don't understand." I like to think they summerized it to help cement the ideas in their minds. Your video was so cool they assigned themselves 2 minutes of homework to help remember it.

@Qazqi

Ай бұрын

Growing up, my anecdotal experience was that most people reacted positively when other people (it's me, I'm the other people) said the same thing with different words. Then at least you're "contributing" something and getting validation, feeling useful, etc.

@anonymes2884

Ай бұрын

At an earlier stage of my physical and emotional development, I discovered in a personal, non-systematic fashion that a majority of my fellow humans gain satisfaction when others say similar things to them but exhibiting linguistic variation. If I can provide anyone with that same satisfaction then I feel like i'm offering fulfilment and a useful service.

@dindindundun8211

Ай бұрын

@@anonymes2884 exactly. "Stating known information" is common and valid in conversation, so by extension that strategy is a social one, as well. I think people arrive at this video and engage with it in a social way, not so much an analytical or rational way as Dr. Collier may have expected. (I just realized the joke)

@antonliakhovitch8306

Ай бұрын

​@@anonymes2884When I was but a wee lad, I sniffed out that my homies were hyped AF when yours truly picked up what they put down and threw it right back at 'em with a touch of pizzazz. That's how they know you a real one, that you ain't cappin, that you aren't a wet fuckin rag.

@z-beeblebrox

Ай бұрын

This is a valid assumption to make, but let's not forget the other more horrible possibility: LLMs are extremely good at taking information and summarizing it, often verbosely but at the very least in their own words. It's not out of the question that spammers are deploying LLMs into comment sections as a form of engagement farming.

Listen, if every educational youtube channel decided to grade themselves based on the percentage of users who understood their videos...it would be a massacre out here

@culwin

Ай бұрын

Angela should make some How-To videos, I think.

@oliviapg

Ай бұрын

I think PBS Spacetime, one of the best educational channels out there, would be at about 2% lol

@Astro2024

Ай бұрын

​@oliviapg I absolutely agree. They really jumped the shark

@oliviapg

Ай бұрын

@@Astro2024 I disagree that they jumped the shark. Their content simply goes into a lot of depth for their video times, and assumes a pretty high level of prior knowledge.

@dutubsucks

Ай бұрын

@@oliviapg They do a lot of speculative science information though and do a pretty poor job at actually separating established well grounded science with speculative papers. I feel like they've run out of the basic stuff and have been increasingly done stuff that is mostly speculation, so imo they have jumped the shark.

Thank goodness i never heard of mond until this moment. Your channel is funny and interesting. I hope you keep it up!

Great video! Thank you! What your are demonstrating is how science should really work, namely that theories are put out or attempted they fail and real scientist go back and try again. I sincerely doubt that many other (the vast majority) educators would ever have the courage to do what you did in this video. Thanks again.

Alternate hypothesis: most commenters watched a few minutes of the video, posted a comment, and moved on. Your explanation was adequate.

The reason MOND is so popular is because it hits that perfect spot of being revolutionary, but familiar. Going: "There's all of this mass everywhere that we can't see" is a boring answer that makes no sense to the public, since things generally aren't invisible. Going "Actually, our understanding of gravity is wrong!" keeps it familiar, because all the pieces (gravity & normal, visible, mass) remain the same, and it presents this complete upending of our understanding of "the least understood of the four fundamental forces". Give the public a reason to go "these scientists were completely wrong for decades" and they'll run with it. We're still making jokes about the four humours!

@TweenkPL

Ай бұрын

IMO it's the same reason why the "alkaline diet" was a popular fad. It references something scientific that laypeople can understand, but applies it in a context where it doesn't make sense

@GSBarlev

Ай бұрын

Small nitpick that Angela herself made early in the video: we *can* see Dark Matter-or, at least, as much as we can see _anything_ in a cosmology that's transmits information inside the visible light spectrum. WMAP; gravitational lensing; the Bullet Cluster-all "direct" observations of dark matter. The question is not "is dark matter?" but "WHAT is dark matter?"

@insidetrip101

Ай бұрын

@@TweenkPL Look. I don't think "alkaline diet" makes sense. I don't think the health benefits of "alkaline water" makes sense either. However, I've heard people cite some studies. I just have an undergrad degree in the humanities. I've studied sciences more than my humanities graduates, but I still know that I don't really have the expertise to understand what these papers are trying to say or what problem they're actually trying to explain. Usually its just a lot of statistics and math that is like ... ok . . . I can probably whip out my old calculus and statistics textbooks and figure most of this shit out, but I don't do it on a consistent basis like many of you might. How am I supposed to actually understand answers to these questions . . . its almost like in general one side is interested in giving me info, and the other side couldn't really be bothered to present a counter argument. Usually this is because of some sense of disdain for the other person because they're rude, industrial, immoral, or the like. But, if they actually didn't have an argument for engagement, would they actually admit this though? Honestly, like I said, I think I consider myself scientifically minded and wouldn't agree with nonsense in MOND or the "alkaline diet/foods". But why is that? I bet you if I started arguing with those dudes, they'd ask me a bunch of questions that I didn't know how to answer. But honestly, is that such a bad thing? Once those questions are out there they can be answered, and then the answer will be out there too......

@andrewcapra7153

Ай бұрын

A lot of arguments for MOND basically boil down to an Argument From Incredulity: "You think there's some *new invisible matter* that is causing the problems in our observations? How silly!". No real arguments, just the vague implication that gravity working differently in every single galaxy is inherently more plausible than particle theories of dark matter

@blue-pi2kt

Ай бұрын

​@@andrewcapra7153I am by no means a MOND person but given the failure of existing theories to produce clear verifiable predictions, scientists producing theories which are closer to the physical world we've already got with clear(er) predictions are not a bad direction to move in. Ultimately, MOND feels real and intelligible in a way strings or wimps never will. It's simultaneously a problem caused by pop-science communicator thing and mouth breather/well-intentioned amatuer thing - both need to do better.

Just like most people are saying, I think it's normal that most comments speak about MOND : they are the ones who are convinced they know what they are talking about, and just like you said, a lot of internet discourse around dark matter features MOND.

I think part of the problem is "Dark Matter" is just so catchy that we want to believe it and find out more about it. If we called the problem "unexplained mass" then there wouldn't be such problems. I think the term is bad because when I think of "matter" as a layman, I conceptually tend to think "This is a thing that we could create a physical instance of with the right technology" and dark matter isn't at that level. Dark Matter is more like "We don't see enough matter visually to account for the gravity we observe. Maybe matter exists that's undetectable with current technology?" but my brain is instantly visualizing some dark particle and throwing everything off.

Sometimes something is communicated poorly, but sometimes people just didn't listen.

@andrewiglinski148

Ай бұрын

And sometimes it’s just a lazy hypothesis that’s inevitably going to be proven false.

@danielvandijk8229

Ай бұрын

​@@andrewiglinski148 what hypothesis? Dark matter is just a name for a set of observations. The peculiarity these observations have in common is that the observed gravitational force is higher then that our current accepted models predict. The name is just a historical artifact. Come on, this is the second video Angela made about this.

@badwolf8112

Ай бұрын

@@danielvandijk8229 I wasn't a "dark matter denier" but I didn't watch the original video and I only reached the 3 minute mark of this video on a whim. before that I didn't know what she meant by "it's not a theory". maybe if she made that statement a 1-3 minute video more people would reach. to be honest, it took her less than a minute to explain, from about 2:20 to 3:00. I also originally thought 'theory' was used in the title as clickbait, so maybe if it was 'scientific theory' more would watch/listen. I like physics but im not gonna start watching a 20+ minute video like i have unlimited time and couldn't be doing something else. mind you, I hugely like long form videos. just saying, slightly more precise wording and starting out with the point might've made a difference.

@stephenskocpol

Ай бұрын

Don't worry Angela, there are many people that exactly love your format!

@andrewiglinski148

Ай бұрын

@@danielvandijk8229 In what way is the blind prediction of a real, physical 'thing' not a theory? 'There are noises in the woods' is an observation. 'Those noises come from a monster' is a theory. All this is is trying to be on both side of the fence at once so you can claim to be right no matter what happens, yet still feeling the need to avoid saying 'I don't know'.

If it’s helpful, I’d misunderstood “observation“ to mean “fact.” So, I left your initial video interpreting the message to be “We don’t have a working model of it, but dark matter is undeniably true.” And, as a layman, I further misunderstood that to mean that my limited conception of “dark matter“ (invisible particles) was established scientific consensus. Having now watched this video, I realize the error in my interpretation. Thank you for it! I enjoyed AP science classes through high school (quite a while ago now) but have no real education beyond that, for context.

@IlIIlllIlIlIIll

Ай бұрын

Most Laypeople, like you and me, also have this idea that theory is solid fact (stay with me, here), when actually not all theories are backed by the same level of fact and so are not all built the same. “Facts” come in levels. In fact, how fact a fact is depends on how high quality study design and methodology is and other parameters. And with the replication crisis, which has even touched physics, distinguishing between good study and bad study is extremely difficult for well-informed laypeople, and has even tripped up professionals in the field at least to some degree. And it’s way, way worse in the social sciences. As a layperson, I watch good faith debates about a topic between to major figures in that field who hold opposing views. Honestly, this informs me of the size of the discussion even if I don’t understand the discussion’s minutia. And understanding the size from experts who disagree with each other is nothing to sneeze at because it immunizes you from the black-and-white cure-all rhetoric of the pseudoscience peddling, fake-expert, clout chasers on TV and social media. And the popscience pushers.

@sock2828

Ай бұрын

I mean that's understandable since the observed anomaly gets called "dark matter" even though what causes the anomaly is still an open question

I love the way you present the dark matter problem. Clearly people don't understand the gravity of the situation.

I don't know about dark matter, but there's a problem with the model. We should call it "the problem of unknown galactic mass".

I just keep laughing about "ONLY 60% of people understood it." Personally, I think that's amazing. I mean, especially as a woman, there are so many people who will PURPOSELY misunderstand you just so they can try to tear you down. I think you did great. EDIT: Right after I left this comment, you say you'll get a lot of comments like this one. So it's good to know I'm predictable.

@LBitner99

Ай бұрын

Thanks for this! At various points while watching I kept saying to myself "nooooo Angela! the internet is just full of people who ONLY want to argue.. you're basing your conclusion on data from bad-faith actors" only to be glad by the end of the video that she basically calls exactly that out! *whew*

"60% is a failing grade" is a strange thing to hear from a physicist.

@BuffMyRadius

Ай бұрын

60% is a loooong way away from 5 sigma!

@Tysca_

Ай бұрын

... Maybe I should go back to finish my engineering degree after all.

@Trip-x1i

Ай бұрын

@@Tysca_ real

@RandomGuy-lu1en

Ай бұрын

I can count the times I reached 60% in an exam on one hand ...

@YaBoiKeith

Ай бұрын

I nearly had an emotional break down when I got a 58% in E&M (~50% of the class fails every year and the professor is a hard ass) until a friend told me that 50% is a passing grade.

If anybody ever wonders what teaching is like, it's like this. The infinite Sisyphean struggle of saying the same thing and people being like "you never said that, why didn't you say that why didn't you explain it like [insert the way I did here]" And then that happening on exams where they are like "WE NEVER DID THIS" and I'm like you're right, we never did THIS projectile motion, we did 27 others just like it, through active learning methods, which maybe the ultimate proof that lecture alone doesn't work is that I lectured on how lecture doesn't work and it didn't help.

I can go into a little more detail on the epicycle thing; I studied Ptolemy, Copernicus, and Kepler back when I was in college a few years ago. Dr. Collier is right that it was used to explain retrograde planetary motions in a heliocentric model. However, there was also *another* problem that it was meant to solve, which is why Copernicus' own model *also* had epicycles. Basically, the Ancient and Medieval of the Mediterranean/European/Near Eastern part of the World concluded that the planets moved according to "uniform circular motion" - that is, along a perfectly circular track while neither accelerating nor decelerating. The modern understanding is based on Kepler's model whereby Earth and the planets go around the Sun on elliptical tracks nearly *approximating* circles, *and* they accelerate as the go closer to the Sun and decelerate as they move further. Ptolemy's geocentric model included epicycles, but it also included something called the "equant" for several of the planets (he had two different explanations for some planets). Basically, even with the epicycles, he couldn't make the planets fit the model according to uniform circular motion, so he posited that there's an imaginary circle the same size as the planets orbit with respect to center of which, the planet neither accelerates nor decelerates. Copernicus thought this was silly and destroyed true uniform circular motion and that was one of several reasons why he believed a new model was necessary (another was that the Julian Calander was off by two weeks, and it proved impossible to calculate a better one based of the then ~1,400 year-old Ptolemaic model). Anyways, having said all that, I feel compelled to explain why they thought uniform circular motion was necessary: Basically, because of what they could observe at the time, they had a radically different view of the stars than we do (and also, completely the opposite opinion which we often ascribe to them). Basically, they thought the stars were *perfect, unchanging and immortal.* Any of us probably would too, if we hadn't had telescopes. They had kept written records for thousands of years by this point, and had observed that everything on Earth changes. Even the mightiest trees decay and die after several human lifespans, for instance. Mountains, which last even longer, are observed to change from time-to-time (especially volcanos). The stars, however, never changed - they were always kept at their heavenly motion. Even the features of the Moon never changed - this led them to conclude that *all* the celestial bodies were perfect spheres which never decayed or changed. Plato and several others concluded that the circle is the most perfect shape, and it's also one which is never ending (since it connects - it's a loop). They therefore proposed that it was fitting that the eternal motions of the stars be perfect and unchanging circles. That attitude *began* to change when Galileo looked at the Moon and found - you're not going to believe this - ... craters! (also mountains, valleys, and the like). In accordance with the scientific method, other astronomers (including the Jesuits) commissioned their own telescopes and confirmed these discoveries; Kepler even designed a better telescope. I'm not exactly sure why, but many astronomers still insisted on uniform circular motion for some time after that. Galileo rejected Kepler's model in favor of Copernicus' model because of it (even though both the Kepler model *and* the previous Brahae model - in which the Sun and Moon orbit the Earth directly, and the other planets on an epicycles, each with the Sun at the center - were *both* a better fit for the available data). I don't think that finally died out until Newton proved that the Moon orbits the Earth in accordance to Kepler's laws *and* in such a way that it matched the laws of gravity - thus uniting astronomy and physics for the first time in history.

For a hot second I thought that Angela legitimately thought she was a bad communicator. Then the snark burst through like a raging storm. The fake out will age like a fine wine.

@GH-oi2jf

Ай бұрын

That's it.

@fghsgh

Ай бұрын

yeah i mean seriously i was feeling bad for her

@l_a_h797

Ай бұрын

I thought she really did communicate badly in the earlier video, and was encouraged that maybe she had the humility to listen to feedback and realize she should have done better. That would be a better outcome in my view than "I couldn't have actually communicated poorly, so all these people are wrong and it would be great to post a snarky video saying how dumb they are and how right I was."

@annodomini2012

Ай бұрын

A new plot to show what percentage of viewers understand jokes is incoming

@trevorsharp460

Ай бұрын

​@@l_a_h797I can never tell whether it's that I dont understand her, or that she doesnt understand normal people. She's this like, cloistered expert with hyperspecific knowledge, and I kinda know what that's like, but I also kinda dont. She has a lot of thinly veiled contempt for stupid people who by and large cant help being stupid. I'm still working out whether or not it's justified or if "ivory tower elitist" isnt a fair label for her

Now I ain't no academic but an old adage that I feel applies to this is "you can lead a horse to water." You didn't fail, you got a 60% success rate in a world where people have a very strong anti-science sentiment when trying to explain a relatively complex topic. You did amazing and ended up educating a lot of people.

@gemstone7818

Ай бұрын

sure but that doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement, the anti-science people would only comprise of a small percentage of the fail rate, and angela talks about the many ways she could have helped communicate the core video idea better

@Brendakye2468

Ай бұрын

@@gemstone7818 she also highlighted the number of people that commented while prefacing their reply with "I haven't watched this yet" which shows that there is only so much that could be done. No matter how much work she put into improving the video there would still be a large population that simply wouldn't care to engage with it enough for it to do anything. Improve it. Be self critical. Still isn't a failure.

@gemstone7818

Ай бұрын

people commenting before watching a video is quite common but that doesn't say much about how many of those people did watch the video but still left the comment, and it isn't really as though the people aren't willing to engage with the video, they simply have the wrong idea for what a counter point to the video would be, and its not really true that the amount of work put into a video doesn't matter, a more entertaining, concise, well communicated video is going to be more well understood by more people, like vsauce or kurtzgesagt for example, and it is after all the nature of science to change minds, if people are unconvinced then there is more work that can be done to help that

@Brendakye2468

Ай бұрын

@@gemstone7818 I agree that the amount of work put into communication can have positive effects but you must consider that communication is a two way street. I can say one thing but if the recipient has the bias that I am wrong and they refuse to challenge that cognitive bias then no amount of effort will ever improve the outcome. To tie this in, anecdotally I used to work as a social media analyst and the team I was on would guage the response to our content. No matter how we perceived the quality of the content ourselves we would always have people that came in with extreme biases that no amount of evidence and no quality of work would change. There were also people that we had very good suspicion didn't ever actually read or watch the content beyond the title but would still argue. Yes we could improve but when we put out an article and video on vaccinations (pre-covid mind you) we were flooded with this. At the end of the day, science communication is really hard. A positive feedback rate, even if it can be improved upon, of 60% (or rather a negative feedback of only 40%) is amazingly good. That means that a majority of people walked away either the same or smarter. Dr Collier is one person, one scientist. Her work has resulted in people learning more about a topic that is often a misrepresented and, amongst many groups of people, quite devisive topic. It's not a failure, it's not perfect (never will be), but it's movement in the right direction. It's an amazing accomplishment that even teams of people that specialize in the field of communication struggle to achieve.

@iyziejane

Ай бұрын

I'll just point out the irony of you equating skepticism with "anti-science." The real decline of science our world is experiencing is a decline of skepticism and critical thinking! Dark matter and cosmology in general is a fun story, but name calling and brow beating people into accepting assertions with little evidence or understanding, that's anti-science.

9:48 the discovery of galaxies with little or no dark matter is one of the strongest pieces of evidence for dark matter. She glosses over this quickly, but this alone does a great job of ruling out alternatives

I remember watching the original video and finding it very well laid out and informative so seeing this title I was extremely confused before clicking and having concerns quickly quashed. Hopefully not too many people poetically miss the point of this video as well but time will tell I suppose. In the mean time keep up the good work Dr. Collier!

There is definitely a Reddit effect with these things. A well produced video or article does a really good job of overselling something to a lay audience and then loops back around over and over again, picking up new adherents each time. One notorious example is an old article about NASA having a working plan for warp drive. People keep referencing that article like the only thing stopping Star Trek ships is budget and politics. Then you look at the article and it basically says "we could totally do this if we discovered a magic rock that had infinite energy."

@CaptainXJ

Ай бұрын

I mean to be fair, "budget and politics" keep us WAY behind where we should be.

@williamcastonzo138

Ай бұрын

​@@CaptainXJ This is both super true and the heart of every batshit insane conspiracy theory ever conceived. You gotta parse.

@xBINARYGODx

Ай бұрын

@@CaptainXJ yes, thats why its compelling, but that doenst stop it from being just as stupid

@MattMcIrvin

Ай бұрын

and it's NEGATIVE energy, that makes the rock even magicker. It's one awesome rock.

I would say that 40% of comments isn't 40% of viewers. If I see a video and understand it and agree with it I'm not likely to comment. Whereas if I disagree with a video (either because of a misunderstanding or not) I would be much more likely to leave a comment saying as much

@GoldenMinotaur

Ай бұрын

The comment spread can still give you an idea of the absorption rate. It's not an exact measurement, just an approximate for the sake of communication

@eudyptes5046

Ай бұрын

Your comment is a hypothesis, test it.

I think one reason MOND is so popular is that any layperson who tunes into physics shortly hears about these two things as being the biggest mysteries in physics. 1) We don't really understand gravity or how to incorporate it into the standard model 2) When we point our telescopes up, we see way too much gravity. Lots of people then think, "Huh, I'll bet those two mysteries are deeply connected," because human brains love to see patterns whether the patterns are real or not. In about 10 seconds, they have their own very, very simple theory of MOND. Then they find out that MOND is a real theory that's being pursued by real physicists and they get excited. This is made worse by the fact that journalist go through this process as well.

So "dark matter" is a group of observations that want of an explanation and "theories of dark matter" propose such and an explanation but that that "dark matter" is not a theory but there are countless "dark matter theories" and, indeed, "dark matter theory" occupies the time of at least three people. As a word game exhibition, the video is delicious. It is "rich in irony, and most satirical," as Arthur Frayn would say. The failed science communicator schtick never gets old. Love the channel. Can't get enough.

I have a BA with a major in Physics, haven't done any Physics in 30 years, but still have an above average understanding of it IMHO. When I watched the video some time ago I was confused at first because I thought dark matter was a theory about a particle that interacted with gravity but not electromagnetism that explains why general relativity doesn't fit some observations of the universe. I had also heard of MOND, but I thought that was an alternative to dark matter. The video made me realize I had a misconception and felt I learned something that day. I 'm sorry I did not leave a comment that day. Thank you for the video.

@eudyptes5046

Ай бұрын

You didn't have a misconception, it's one of the problems that it is used in both ways, as the obervations and as actual particles.