Ow1 were the low were lows and the high were highs. + W teamwork. Ow2 the lows are still pretty low, but the highs are no longer really high. + L teamwork Sadge

@quote_ow

5 ай бұрын

W COMMENT

@batosalangit1438

5 ай бұрын

OW2 where lows are lows and highs? what highs? you're getting games from high Elo!?

@Absts4ct

5 ай бұрын

Honestly, I would rather have my average games that are mid but still enjoyable than endure for 15 games and have a legendary game when stars aligned. If I want a sense of relief the 6v6 overwatch gives me, I'll just hold my pee for as long as I can.

@damianateiro

5 ай бұрын

I prefer my games to be mediocre but enjoyable rather than being shit or legendary, with no middle ground

@he.5865

5 ай бұрын

Only played ow2. Ngl this looks pretty shit in comparison.

How did they rework orissa from being the most annoying, pace slowing, unkillable character into the most annoying, pace slowing, unkillable character, honestly its impressive

@artimist0315

5 ай бұрын

At least now you can kill her team I guess ?

@sobervision1049

5 ай бұрын

​@@artimist0315 which would be true if Supports werent the true final bosses of OW now

@EstebanSarmiento-gs6sl

5 ай бұрын

Orisa is garbage now easily countable

@WillOfTheFungalNetwork

5 ай бұрын

@@EstebanSarmiento-gs6sl i mean they have a 54% win rate in gm I don't think they're that bad

@artimist0315

5 ай бұрын

@@sobervision1049 IDK what y'all were expecting but supports are actual heroes, not target practice, it's normal for them to be able to defend themselves. And it's really not that hard to pressure a squishy in OW2, you need to be a bit more tricky with your timing and positioning, but supports are still much easier to kill than most DPS and all tanks, you just spend more time pressuring them than shooting at shields and cluster of people. Supports still have a much higher ttk than dps so they really aren't favoured to win the dual, but I guess overwatch 1 supports just made it so easy to kill them that actually having to try feels weird

I bet bastions felt so cozy sitting behind 89 shields bruh

@maxerko

5 ай бұрын

6v6 never or remove shields . that bastion play is insaanely boring . how could people play it wtf

@scumknight6074

5 ай бұрын

All they had to do was restrict double shield and balance a few supports. That’s literally it.

@ExclusiveExcellence

5 ай бұрын

It was nice ngl

@facundocenturion184

5 ай бұрын

The best time to main bastion

@scegex6500

5 ай бұрын

@@maxerko its not like it actually worked lol. remember bastion couldnt move in that time all it took was one clever flank from a team

bap immortality looks like a large reason this shit worked

@fadetoblackened4407

5 ай бұрын

Bap immo and orisa shield’s nonexistent cooldown

@scegex6500

5 ай бұрын

it was the only reason. without bap immortality they are all dead cuz the shields went down instantly

@thijmstickman8349

5 ай бұрын

AOI healing, shield and bap imo killed OW. Defensive utility sucks

@jacobsotorios8886

5 ай бұрын

​@@scegex6500 double shield still works without bap. Go home. Your time of gaming is over

@Archy_The-Wizard

5 ай бұрын

​@@jacobsotorios8886 It's a LOT less effective without bap. Lamp is a third shield, it's actually even better than that because you have to aim to hit it, and it may not even be in LOS. It's the difference between being able to do any meaningful damage after breaking / otherwise bypassing the shields or giving them time to reposition / recharge shields. Not to mention all the nerfs immortality got since then.

This is peak overwatch, modern day lacks the true feeling of doing nothing for 30 seconds just for your tank to explode because their shield broke!

@FallenQueenOfCrows

5 ай бұрын

nah now we just explode before we get our shield broken

@abdx8752

5 ай бұрын

Almost like all u had to was nerf 2 tanks for the game to be fun again. Or we go to this shit format where supports have to be broken to keep their one tank alive because there no longer is an offtank to peel. That’s more fun

@lukassorowka2672

5 ай бұрын

Wdym peak overwatch, this video is the embodiment of pain for me as a rein main

@BaggerFood101

5 ай бұрын

@@lukassorowka2672you are part of the issue as a rein main. I think if they buff up doom fist and ball they could make a really good solution to double shields. Sure the tanks can sit behind their shields but how long can their supports stay hidden?

@BaggerFood101

5 ай бұрын

@@lukassorowka2672but over watch 2 is different I think you will thrive with 6v6. You can be a mobile double shield with sigma, or a juggernaut escorting a juiced up samoan. A lot of things need to happen to make 6v6 great but, in its current state I think 6v6 would be better than what we have now.

Seeing this now its actually insane seeing how many shit was going on at the same time and we felt like it was normal 💀

@Pes._

5 ай бұрын

It was amazing. Easily the best part of the game

@CasualCat64

4 ай бұрын

@@Pes._don’t lie

@Pes._

4 ай бұрын

@@CasualCat64 some of us got a thing called adhd bro

@CasualCat64

4 ай бұрын

@@Pes._ visual clutter has nothing to do with adhd

@Pes._

4 ай бұрын

@@CasualCat64 we talking about ow1 not 0.8 with kirko/Lw ult, zarya "enchanced" particle beam, mauga sun shooting miniguns etc etc

always felt more like a balance issue than a tank synergy issue

@ashonline77

5 ай бұрын

It was a balance issue but you know what people still think the old team was somehow better at balancing than the current. I'm guilty of this as well cause of last patch but gotta admit the old team was just as bad if not worse.

@RD-um9dy

5 ай бұрын

It was a sigma, bap, and brig issue. Those three heroes ruined the game

@conrad03

5 ай бұрын

​@@RD-um9dy it blows my mind that this isn't obvious to more people. at least 90% of hero additions have been a net negative for the game, and only added to create the most shallow hype + keep things "interesting". bring back 2016 ow

@mrzee435

5 ай бұрын

same with 5v5 it can work, its just balance was garbo

@alita8900

5 ай бұрын

I wish they had just created two subclasses of tanks. Off tank heroes and main tank heroes. That way players that like to off tank can always queue to be an off tank (Zarya, D.VA, Doomfist, Junkerqueen, Hammond) + main tank queue (Orisa, Sigma, Reinhardt, Winston, etc.).

Honestly looking back at OW1 made me realize how impressive the casters were to keep up with all that

Blizzard could've literally dropped Ram instead of echo and the problem would've been solved years ago. Also double shield was a Baptiste problem because we can clearly see the shields are broken pretty easily but the lamp buys 5 extra seconds to get all CD's and recharge back, the comp was nothing without bap and people refuse to admit it

@bourbiespeedrun

5 ай бұрын

Idk if Ram would actually had fix double shield, His ult would have maybe been useless considering he's getting blocked by shield and his fist with 2 tanks will not do that much imo

@judebrown3588

5 ай бұрын

@@bourbiespeedrun Back then Orisa could be headshot in fortify and didn't get overhealth when using it, she was considerably less tanky, and sigma can't block the punches either, the point of Ram wouldn't be for his ult, it would be to bypass the shields easily forcing CD's like bap lamp AND being able to break it through shields. Pair that with Lucio speed, Zarya to bubble him or Sig to cover him. That brawl style of comp would've easily crushed double shield out of the meta, but Blizzard doesn't like to think. They even confirmed they had the heroes ready for years but kept them in thier back pocket so there's no excuse why they didn't release him over echo. Also Ram ult would be surprisingly effective since Orisa shield was stationary leaving only Sig shield as the main threat, Ram's main priority would be attacking the supports and dps leaving the tanks helpless to defend the team

@bourbiespeedrun

5 ай бұрын

@@judebrown3588 Oh yeah you're right I forgot some things mb, but it actually just would have been putting a new meta and forcing Ram in every comp games but yeah now that the game is dead hard to see what impact would have really been

@heyyou9903

5 ай бұрын

@@judebrown3588 while Ram would be good against shields he might get shredded by bastion before he could get good effectiveness in

@proof2864

5 ай бұрын

@@heyyou9903 he would 100% get shredded before he even took a step near their tanks.

Yes double shield was bad, but I haven’t seen coordination like this in OW2 ever. The level of coordination in OW1 was what made the game feel so lively, and now that is definitely gone.

@bambampewpew32

5 ай бұрын

EXACTLY

@zeldacereza

5 ай бұрын

100%. Overwatch is so independent now. Too independent, it’s a TEAM GAME. I miss tank coordination so much. I also think this is why so many people liked lw so much, there is a level of synergy with him and team work that gives people that same fulfillment to some degree that ow 1 had.

@chiefkief791

5 ай бұрын

@@zeldacerezaNah tank synergy was so painful in ow1. Masters was a cancerous rank. Just meta slaves. The second an OWL team plays Winston zarya, the whole rank copies it. There actually was no counterplay to it, that Winston will jump into the middle of a team, for free, sleep, brig stun, mcree nade, nothing. There were so many comps like that where map control for the other roles did not matter. Even if map control did matter, it was for the tanks, not the other roles, the tank controls the off angles, main, everything. Imo it was actually terrible when everyone got good. Now dps are expected to take off angles as soon as possible, even some supports. Even brawl comps, the dps or supports take off angles.

@Nemo.404

5 ай бұрын

Nothing has been as bad as the recent Mauga meta. That was completely brain-dead. This needed a lot of actual teamwork. Dive is another cool play style. Hard to sync up, but when you get it becomes extremely fun

@banter2143

5 ай бұрын

​@@Nemo.404 mauga is goats as a character

This is an issue of hero design, not the 2nd tank. Feels bad man.

@dmitrychirkov4206

5 ай бұрын

or just let them stay overtuned, but give all dps additional tactical charges. That would make them so dynamic, so they would be able to stand up to double tanks

@aldonavarrete987

5 ай бұрын

​@dmitrychirkov4206 i am like wouldn't it be easier to make all shields just reduce the damage that goes trought them ao they are not just a net denial but still give a lot of protection and block projectiles and hooks

@pasteldreams5413

5 ай бұрын

say it louder for the people in the back. 6v6 was never the issue. it was blizzard's dogsh!t design and balance philosophy that is still running rampant to this day. this is why my friends and i dont play this game no mo

@TheShapingSickness

4 ай бұрын

It is a second tank issue. You either nerf shields so they're not great when having two, meaning having one is even worse. Or you can no longer design heroes with shields.

@scmow

4 ай бұрын

@@TheShapingSickness Brother my whole youtube channel is dedicated to this. Its not the tanks.

The reality is not that 6v6 was an issue, the end of Overwatch 1 was an issue. If the game remained getting updates (just like early Overwatch with sym and torb), we could have still seen the Orisa rework and bastion rework. Bunker would be literally removed from the game. And the shield spam would have openings because every other shield is a resource, not a cooldown. Even ramattra is a lesson learned that a shield duration must exist like bubble.

@primalinea682

5 ай бұрын

All of these clips are from 2019-2020 (double shield meta)

@cuppy1199

5 ай бұрын

It wasnt even the shield, it was the baptiste that made everything work, it was a cycle, sheild, sig suck and fortify, then bap lamp while all the cds came back, the bap was the issue, insane aoe heals, (which got buffed in ow2 thanks blizz) good dmg, insane ult for teamfights

@markbo3251

5 ай бұрын

I think it was the DPS more so than the shield, as someone who used to play rein at the start of double shields, the problem felt less like Orisa/Sigma couldn't die and more that if you didn't have both of them, you just exploded. I think if they had nerfed the damage, the comp would have fallen apart since rush/dive would have been able to close the distance without being deleted.

@revolution_ow379

5 ай бұрын

@@markbo3251this is a terrible take because the buffed damage so bad after inflating the amount of sustain by a billion and creating goats. In their ultimate wisdom, even from the time of ana world of tanks and Moira Proto goats they thought damage was the counter to this and to goats. The devs are idiots. The damage was so high because sustain was so high, and they refused to rework shit like brig or Moira or orisa or sig. bap brig was just the final nail in the coffin as in it was the most miserable of everything Overwatch had to offer… the stupefying sustains and the reliance on insane burst dmg to get any kills or break shields. Nerfing damage without ggoijg to the root would just make the DPS role even more useless (was already useless at that point) that’s why u saw a lot of these clips mainly bastion mei and snipers.

not being able to play rein/zarya , dva/winston is really making me sad.

@CruxisAngel954

5 ай бұрын

I miss double bubble so much. Quit tank after S1 of OW2. Just never felt as fun as 6v6. I need monke zarya

@hellixmania3404

5 ай бұрын

Be missing my tank buddy

@DaRocketGuy

5 ай бұрын

play open queue, the og way to play ow

@hellixmania3404

5 ай бұрын

@@DaRocketGuy it's just not the same

@jacobsotorios8886

5 ай бұрын

Not being able to play sigma/orisa really makes me sad

There are a billion ways of solving the issues with this meta and blizzard literally chose the laziest one

@mryellow6918

3 ай бұрын

not only the laziest but the worse. instead of nerfing it they have broken the tank role and its not repairable unless they go back, but they will never go back because then that means they are admitting overwatch 2 was a cash grab

@tloyp2584

7 күн бұрын

it may have been the easy way out in the short term. but in the long term, it has caused them to fundamentally rework the entire game multiple times by now. 5v5 caused them to soft/hard rework half of the tanks, create passives for every role that were broken on some heroes and useless on others, increase the health of every character and mess up most breakpoints, and it has forced the game to turn into a constant brawl with a ridiculous amount of sustain. and they chose to add more immortality effects. what a joke

Most people miss rein/zarya or winston/dva, but I miss playing with my best friend all the weird duos, like hog/zarya , dva/sigma , rein/ball, etc. I mean, we also miss playing classic tank combos, but we loved doing crazy stuff and try to both do our own thing as our picked characters, and synergise as much as we could at the same time. Enabling an aggresive hog hook with a bubble or *cleansing* an anti'ed roadhog by ana's grenade was a much more fair thing to do than nowadays kiriko's suzu imo. I would explain every other small thing that you would do with any other 'weird' tank combo, but that was peak gameplay for me and my friend. Now all of the main cast got either giga buffed to the point where their gameplay lost their charm and feeling of being reawrded by winning (I can just shield bot as rein and never die, or use dva's matrix for an entire team fight and never die, and hold self-heal on hog and never die) or they lost their identity because there is no second tank (ball). Now I just play only junkerqueen and sometimes doomfist (also bring dps doomfist back) and despite the fact that thery're more like big dpses than tanks, they're for me the only two characters in the tank role rn that reward you for your skill and game knowledge, and not just beefy stats. And of course it's my take, anyone should play any character they want and have fun with, it's just a game, some characters' mains may complain that their hero is the most skill required than any other one and it's fine, that is just how I feel about playing tank in ow2 in its current state.

@HVDynamo

5 ай бұрын

Agreed. The comp shown in this video just needed some balancing, that's it. OW1 wasn't perfect for sure, but I did have more fun playing it than I do OW2, and that remains today. I think OW1 was actually best just before Role Queue was introduced.

@__bambooz

5 ай бұрын

>I can just shield bot as rein and never die no offense but what rank are u (genuine question)

@charlestonjew7587

5 ай бұрын

Exactly, the first year or two of OW1 was a blast because it was casual-friendly and allowed for some really creative and clever gameplay. Matches were a lot less predictable and the "META" didn't really become a thing until Role Queues and OWL, which was a huge mistake on every level. OW2 is the definition of homogeny, boring and predictable.

@muysli.y1855

5 ай бұрын

Remove 1 Tank make Supports way stronger expecially ana and kiriko

@wombo7432

5 ай бұрын

Hog Zarya meat grinder was OP

I miss the old comp with stars, I miss loot boxes, I miss having 2 tanks... I miss OG Overwatch

@masift1494

5 ай бұрын

It was god awful lmao, good riddance

@charlestonjew7587

5 ай бұрын

@@masift1494 lol enjoy season 9. Roles are arbitrary and pointless in OW2.

@Hachishaku-Sama

5 ай бұрын

Nah, you guys are just being unnecessarily nostalgic for a time long gone, because you know it will never come back. Double tank was utter nightmare, and this is coming from a tank main role. It prolongs matches and makes them feel so stagnated.

@Hunterz_VR

5 ай бұрын

old comp was def 100x better no one can change my mind@@Hachishaku-Sama

@Hachishaku-Sama

5 ай бұрын

@@Hunterz_VR That’s okay, I’m not looking to change your mind. That is your opinion and you should stick by it. And it is my opinion that 6v6 was a clusterfuck shit show of shields and stagnated matches. It’s not the end of the world.

6v6 could work if they either got rid of most shields or maybe created a tank passive that decreases the shield health drastically when you add a second shield tank

@BeastMode-bw2ry

5 ай бұрын

Or actually just balance the heroes that cause this meta?? Sigma, bap, and brig.

@defaultdan7923

5 ай бұрын

you know, i’m honestly not opposed to this idea. it’s surprisingly intuitive that more shields would mean less health shields, almost like it’s a resource that needs to be split.

@connor.chan.jazzman

5 ай бұрын

@@defaultdan7923 Yep, and it would eliminate the need for weird strict role restrictions, hero bans, and unneeded reworks. You'd still be able to use shields for plays whether it be saving a teammate, blocking a ton of burst damage, giving your team cover to advance forward, but the resource of the shield itself would be more limited. It'd probably lead to a lil more tank synergy of properly timing shields to go one after the other. They could also toy with shields like sigmas or ramattra disappearing after a while. Theres a lot of changes that could be make but I think making shield health a resource that gets split when more shields are present could be interesting

@defaultdan7923

5 ай бұрын

@@connor.chan.jazzman yeah, the obtuse role restrictions suggestion is the one i never understood. encourage creativity by restricting the ability of tanks to work together, brilliant. not to mention how awful it would be for new players to learn that they can’t run certain characters together, and not know why. it’s just clunky.

@AquaPurePearlVoice

5 ай бұрын

I've been saying this exact thing for years!

The reason there is 1 tank is because Blizzard was running with a minimal support attitude doing next to nothing for patches or attempts to change meta. It was only number changes for 3 years, and 2 of those years were 1 patch every 3-4 months which is a dead game. Team 4 gave up.

They easily could have either put Sigma on a long redeploy timer, Or changed lamp to have less hp or a longer CD. There's so many answers we could have tried instead of removing a tank. I miss playing in tank duos with my partner. OW will never been the same without 2 tanks.

@penrilfake

5 ай бұрын

Problem is mostly that the tank population was already dwindling a looot. Queues were 15-20 minutes for your average metal rank DPS, and it only got worse the more you went into the low and high extremes of the SR curve. Nerfing the tanks would only make them feel worse to play. They would have needed a ridiculous amount of systematic changes to the entire DPS roster for that to happen. There's a lot of rose tinted nostalgia for OW1, and I have some myself tbh, but I do honestly believe the 5v5 model has more potential for balance. Yes, it is currently annoying to be counter-swapped by the entire team, but I think that problem is potentially easier to solve than the dilemma surrounding oppressive tank synergies vs low tank population in OW1.

@xRichieeex

5 ай бұрын

@@penrilfake it’s not rose tinted glasses if the game was genuinely better and I believe that’s pure facts . OW1 captured the hearts of millions and won game of the year . OW2 is a worse product in every way in terms of presentation, gameplay, interactions, mechanics, synergies. You have lost many more ways to play in ow2 than OW1 . A term you see thrown around a lot now is that the game is watered down. Having less ways to play will always be worse experience hands down. OW2 is not and will never be a better game than ow1 in its current state.

@zeldacereza

5 ай бұрын

@@penrilfakethis argument that it’s “rose tinted glasses” is bullshit. I’ve seen it so many times, it’s not an argument either. You’re assuming something without fact. 5v5 has literally made certain characters and roles unplayable. These characters especially overwatch one characters were made specifically for 6v6 in mind. It literally broke the game. Tank is rock paper scissors, most tanks aren’t viable anymore, off tank isnt a thing anymore, and the synergy is gone. It’s not a team game anymore. There’s no level of team work anymore. And losing a tank slot makes fights end too quickly and make small mistakes huge mistakes. One death equals a lost fight or a point lost 90% of the time, it should not be this way. Especially if it’s the tank who made the mistake. Mistakes are going to happen, and one should not equate to a total flip around. All it needed was balance changes. Not to completely get rid of a role slot.

@KraanFanHater

5 ай бұрын

@@zeldacereza5v5 has made every character and role playable, not the other way around, you can literally one-trick any hero to top 100 rn. That just simply wasn’t possible in 6v6. „Team games“ can only ever go so far before they deny agency and therefore fun from the individual. Ofc it sucks to be counterswapped and the disproportionate value of it needs (and can) be adjusted. But it’s still better then feeling like you have no other means of outplaying the enemy when you’re getting rolled. In fact, I’m even gonna argue that the problem with 6v6 was the fact that it was Team play oriented, that certain tanks could cover each others weaknesses. Heroes should have weaknesses and there should always be room for utilizing those weaknesses, it just has to require enough skill to do so. 5v5 is definitely not perfect. And requires a ton of reworks. But it is still the change the game needed to survive and has a lot more potential than 6v6.

@BeastMode-bw2ry

5 ай бұрын

@JCon.G not only is that a lot of cope but your wrong about one tricks because not matter how many characters slots we lose there will always be a one trick who just wants to play their favorite character no matter what.

I can't believe most of these clips are from the lowest points of ow1 and they still look/sound more fun than the entirety ow2

@charlestonjew7587

5 ай бұрын

IKR?

@avaluggglazer445

5 ай бұрын

Yeah dealing with constant shield usage does not sound fun at all. Quite lying to yourself

@greenpig1175

5 ай бұрын

Nah bro this was actually pretty horrible, I take OW2 over this. OW1 was better in general but not updating the game really lead to the worst meta ever :(

@charlestonjew7587

5 ай бұрын

@@greenpig1175 You know why they didn't update the game for 4 years?

@greenpig1175

5 ай бұрын

@@charlestonjew7587 yup, as I said Overwatch 1 was a better game. Not updating it to make the second “game” hurt

As chaotic as this looks these clips have genuinely more teamplay and more varied playstyles than any meta in ow2

@toons8744

5 ай бұрын

Sitting in one spot and clicking shoot while behind 3 shields = "team play"

@cia4u401

5 ай бұрын

@@toons8744 when have you ever heard the amount of communication in vc in ow2 that the bastion clips have? i'm grandmasters and i straight up don't see anyone on voicechat period

@LevelOneGoblin

5 ай бұрын

​@@toons8744 Yes, because they work together to work around the shields and win anyway.

@MrCake-ic6hn

5 ай бұрын

@@toons8744 Look at the first clip. There's so much crucial game decisions there. When to strike, when to fall back, when to use your ability, should you or your teammates use ults now or not. If you were just "sitting in one spot and clicking shoot" you would be dead.

@fakerererererer

5 ай бұрын

​@@MrCake-ic6hn Yes, i too would love to strategically organize my whole team to shoot 3 shields continuously lmao

See how everyone sound way more happy and fulfilled while playing then then now?

@NotMadaraaa

4 ай бұрын

No

Deleting a whole tank role was truly, absolutely, without a doubt, definitively, positively the right choice. I mean, what was Blizzard to do, TRY and fix double shield? PREPOSTEROUS!!! BLIZ HAD TO delete a tank role!

@quote_ow

5 ай бұрын

SURELY they couldnt just change a thing a two or add hero bans

@ChimpRevolution

5 ай бұрын

I know it's not like orisa one of the main culprits had her shield removed or something 🤔

@contract_kilo1340

5 ай бұрын

Completly agree. People are so delusional, nobody liked this when we were there, nobody liked shooting shield for the whole game and getting cc every 2 secondes, but suddenly this "coordination" was so fun ?? But bro, just balance the tanks lul. Does nobody remember the 30-60 min dps queue ? And your solution to make more people play tank would be to nerf them ? Only 1 tank now, and they're way more impactful than before, and yet tank is still the fastest queue in most rank. But surely 2 tanks would work right ?

@muysli.y1855

5 ай бұрын

My Hope hero ban comming to Overwatch2 i will 100% Bann Ana (my ow1 main) and Kiriko they desverd it. If there is a Team Ana, Kiriko against other Supports we know which side have a higher winrate

@xanderarmstrong6198

5 ай бұрын

@@contract_kilo1340 I feel insane reading all of the comments who want 6v6 back.

btw this isnt me shitting on OW1 as some believe if people watched to the end they would know dont hate on me just dug up some old clips +1 nostalgia point

@fadetoblackened4407

5 ай бұрын

A lot of these clips had me really confused because they’re genuinely good clips, like the architect jump

@bambampewpew32

5 ай бұрын

ow1 man :(

The good old days where teams didn’t fold as quickly.

double tank is legit more fun to play as/against than 1 tank

This looks way funner and involves the entire team working together with thier abilites than just "take all the enemies CCs and hope they can kill their immortal supports"

@defaultdan7923

5 ай бұрын

we can agree to disagree, idk about team working together with abilities when it’s just sigma shield-> orisa shield-> bap lamp-> repeat.

@inplane9970

5 ай бұрын

@@defaultdan7923 Finding a team to willingly do that in sync happens every 1/8 games. Even then, it is a team working together to perform a very specific comp in very specific situations. Definitely requires more teamwork than just pumping steroids into Mauga until both of his hearts give out.

@modernwarrior24

5 ай бұрын

@@defaultdan7923 bro what you said tho is teamwork. We can agree its toxic. But its still working together as one unit. That never happens anymore.

@cagxplays9602

5 ай бұрын

Standing still and shooting at a shield is fun?????

@nathancasey7712

5 ай бұрын

​@@defaultdan7923This is only one comp that really wasn't even that popular outside of GM

this in all seriousness looks 100x more fun than playing tank rn

@solarscreams2447

5 ай бұрын

Cap.

@BenSolo777

8 күн бұрын

It was. People are focusing too much on the double shield. There was other things that made 6v6 enjoyable.

I wasnt really into overwatch but I got back into it about just over a year before overwatch 2 and I really enjoyed some of the combos you could do with tanks. Some simple stuff like having your rein charge into a bunch of enemies and make sure you shield him at the right time with zarya.

that sigma barrier without the 2 second cooldown felt so good to use, it was easier to block shatter, can reposition it much quickly, and the hp, it was so busted

Supports are what really killed the game not tanks. The power creep in the support role was absurd.

You brought back some really fond memories man, I think I agree with you that id rather have double shield, goats, or triple tank, or just overwatch 1 back rather than overwatch 2. Thank you for this man it was really cool to see the past again :)

@quote_ow

4 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed

Ngl, I'd rather go against double shield than play "try to kill a single support simulator"

@quote_ow

5 ай бұрын

W mans

@rucksack_kh

5 ай бұрын

@@quote_ow 🤝

@xxxthwagdrakexxx4672

5 ай бұрын

Yeah totally understandable to want to deal with 3-5k worth of shield damage just to see the point get captured instead of at most dealing 500 damage and making them run away as well

@heyyou9903

5 ай бұрын

You do know that the supports would be behind those shields in this style of comp Not that all players would do the best strategy anyway tho

@rucksack_kh

5 ай бұрын

@heyyou8592 that's fine because in this older meta, supports weren't unkillable dps heroes

I have genuinely not had actual fun in overwatch 2. Even games where we stomp the enemy feel empty. The teamwork in ow1, when it worked, was peak gaming experience that i wish everyone got to have at least once

@Nemo.404

5 ай бұрын

I've had tons of fun with ow2. Team play can still be done and it feels so great when you manage to coordinate with your team. But I still get you. It was way more common to play as team before, the game actually forced people to play as a team. Now, a lot of times it feels like people are playing death match. And it's gonna be worse with the new passive healing for tanks and DPS in the next patch

@hardcase8003

5 ай бұрын

It's pretty hard to tell if lack of enjoyment is the game changing or yourself getting burned out or unwilling to change with it sometimes. I found learning new ways to play and learning different heroes always kept me engaged with 2. I had to let myself enjoy it

@DangSensei77

Ай бұрын

@@hardcase8003Nah this game is not the same and that’s fine. Some people prefer the new OW. I find no joy in playing it anymore no matter who I play anymore. No satisfaction in winning. Helldivers has been a breath of fresh air I tell you.

@ilovepomeranians4243

Ай бұрын

This is coming from someone who is 31 years old btw, I've played so many games since I was 11 years old (mostly MMORPGs) and I used to think the same way you do, that nothing can ever compare to the games I played and experiences I had when I was young so I decided to just refuse most new games because I kept thinking that I can never had what I had and the future was bleak. I decided to change this attitude and try out a lot of games (including overwatch 2) and found myself enjoying them, making new friends, amazing memories, and good moments. If I stayed the same way as I was before, I will end up old and bitter, wishing for the past that will never come, refusing to make new memories.

You will rarely, almost never, see this much teamwork and coordination in Ow2 0:30

Ah brings me good old memories. it was so much better than current OW2

All they had to do was nerf barriers, sigma, orisa, bap and brig and then the game would be fine.

@muysli.y1855

5 ай бұрын

It was fun 2016-2018 until Brig release and Sigma later

@thedog5k

23 күн бұрын

@@muysli.y1855 The real take. This guy saying he liked double shield at the end was fucking hilarious. I legit watched the whole video thinking it was a display of how awful the game got.

I miss those times so much, overwatch felt more tactical and chaotic. Also working as a team with a second tank felt much more satisfying

i dont even need to watch the video, the thumbnail + title combo already made me laugh, cry, and like the video at the same time

Watching this makes me realize how much I miss some of these maps

We need OW1 throwback mode, old abilities, old team limits, all that

@pandaboss5085

5 күн бұрын

I pray that never happens old abilities were absolutely dogshit the disgusting amount of cc was unbearable

@mirekasukukurayuki430

4 күн бұрын

@@pandaboss5085 oh it was. But I think it'd be nice for like an event, having the throwback abilities and such

the clips didn't show 6v6, they showed (late) overwatch 1. think about it...

@muysli.y1855

5 ай бұрын

2019-2022 mostly

@SSADO-

2 ай бұрын

⁠@@muysli.y1855 That’s unsurprisingly when Sigma and Baptiste were out, who are arguably the most contributors to this

I feel like double shield was the problem not 2 tanks.

@muysli.y1855

5 ай бұрын

Double Shield was 2019 a Problem

I’m not going to lie though. Those were some of the funnest team fights I’ve ever been in. If they could find a good middle ground between these long fights and the short ones if OW2 that would be great

the problem children were 100% orisa, bastion and bap...which 2 of the 3 were reworked so I can see modern 6v6 working

@AegisEdge

5 ай бұрын

missing sigma

@hypeman1021

4 ай бұрын

Missing sigma

@juliant3126

12 күн бұрын

Missing sigma

@puchimausu

12 күн бұрын

Sigma by himself was fine, it was combining him with orisa shield that caused frustration

This looks chaotic as hell wish I coulda played it xD

Nerf double shield and half of this video doesn't exist. It wasn't a format issue it was a balance issue

@NotMadaraaa

4 ай бұрын

Remove not nèrf

The thumbnail was enough thank you

idc it was more fun and these plays required communication and the reason i love overwatch 1 more than 2.

This is what you guys miss?

That first one was pretty cool, like they have to perfectly remove the barriers until they're through, just can't imagine doing that every match.

PLEASE MORE VIDEOS LIKE THIS ❤❤ BRING BACK THIS NOSTALGIA

These kind of things werent because of 2 tanks on a team though, its 2 specific tanks that had everything in their kits instead of trade offs, propped up by bap and brig most of the time whom both were (and still are) busted as well. not a 2 2 2 issue, a hero design of 4 heroes specifically issue

ow 1 was such a tactical fps, there is more strat in 10 sec of video than my 1 year in ow2

They could’ve added a new stat that gave certain heroes weapons a bonus damage multiplier on shields (i.e 1.5x for junkrat or 1.3x for pharah) giving them another roll they could’ve filled. Instead we have the extremely repetitive gameplay loop of “tank looks at tank until one tank stops breathing, repeat”

6v6 had problems, yes, but It was fixable.5v5 is not.

I miss this only cuz it actually took team work. Like team work can work in OW2 but no teamwork also works

we can go back to 6 vs 6 with tuning down the tank role and supps

@mage3690

3 ай бұрын

Still crazy to me that they removed 200-500 HP from the game and BUFFED supports like that wasn't going to be a horrible idea.

you have convinced me, there should be 2 tanks! Good video gang

This is the Bastion with PTSD that fits within lore.

I really can't understand how people who have actually played through this want it back

@vopcracker3193

5 ай бұрын

Some of it is blind nostalgia. Most of it is becuase OW2 is a terrible pre-alpha masquerading as a full sequel. It's sad either way 😕

@AluRooftop

4 ай бұрын

People find comfort in repetition

@whythoisuk9646

4 ай бұрын

You don't realize that this is the result of 3 YEARS of dev neglect. It doesn't matter what meta it is, after 3 years anything gets stale. What OW1 players want is the return, not just of the gameplay, but the care they put into the game back then as well. Nowadays they put more effort into monization than gameplay. Half of the roster was specifically designed for 6v6 and the fixes they did for them just kill their identity (sombra, mei, widowmaker, bastion).

@Anonymous-lv4di

4 ай бұрын

@@whythoisuk9646 I kinda agree about Widow but really? Sombra, Mei and Bastion?

@whythoisuk9646

4 ай бұрын

@@Anonymous-lv4di sombra went from a utility focused ambusher focused on ability denial to a preying assassin. Mei lost most of her freezing capability, a huge loss to her indivuality and utility. Bastion's immobility may hav me made him weaker, but you had much more control. The ability to freely swap between forms, ungated by a cooldown, allowed for a much more varied playstyle than the "just press shift when it's off cd and fire" he has now. OW1 just doesn't have the same focus on utility as others. If sombra doesn't do dmg she isn't played. If mei doesn't do dmg she isn't played. If bastion deals too much dmg he is always played.

I just wanna know why Winston’s shield up time was shorter than the cool down for it? Meanwhile, oresa can deploy shield and up time will exceed the cooldown to deploy shield.

Overwatch 2 tank experience is just as miserable as this.

The dafran clip is peak TBH

I feel like this argument falls flat on its face anymore because Orisa no longer has shield. Best you could do these days is run a Rein and Sigma, but the Rein would probably get run over by Ram+Bastion, leaving the rest of the team wide open to be wiped.

I feel like there was so much they didn't try when it came to balancing 6v6 which is a shame. Having 2 tanks feels more natural

Litterally feels like climbing over a cliff edge

I miss 2 tanks, those were the golden days of OW.

double shield only existed because 90% of devs abandoned the game to "work" on ow2

@muysli.y1855

5 ай бұрын

Every 3 month a balance Patch 😂

@FreddyGerardino

5 ай бұрын

@muysli.y1855 ye but the patches never were reworks just like giving Cree an extra range buff sure he needed the buff but he was very low on the priority list 😭

I miss playing tank, I loved going D.VA and Zarya but I'm more of an off tank person. You can't off tank if you're the only tank :(

@Minotsu

5 ай бұрын

I climbed to masters in OW2 almost exclusively playing DVA.

This video did not show the issue with having two tanks at all. The most it did was show how much team work was involved in this game vs what it is now on ow2. Shield meta was a problem, yes. But it never worked if you didn’t have Baptise in the back throwing a lamp when shit broke. While it still has its issues I’d rather deal with this than 2 supports drilling a whole through the entire enemy team.

So good to see Bastion Heal, Risa Halt and Bongos again, awe maaan lol

it wasnt a 6v6 issue it wasa a character design issue, before brig and sigma goats and double shield were never a thing

@muysli.y1855

5 ай бұрын

2016-early 2018 (Brig release)

@halinaqi2194

5 ай бұрын

Yeah, 6v6 was way more fun, especially in a team setting. The issue wasn't the amount of players on each team, but a couple of poorly designed heroes and balance changes. 2CP is also more fun than push, especially in a team setting, a lot more strategy and coordination was required to play 2CP effectively. Push feels very deathmatch-y and the large king of the hill is a worse paced control point.

@NotMadaraaa

4 ай бұрын

@@halinaqi21942cp was and still is terrible

@willsmith5519

3 ай бұрын

@@NotMadaraaa2 CP blows push and arena out of the water. Push is the stupidest game mode.

I feel like this is more "why Bastion and chain stuns were a problem." Bastion still is a problem but not *as* bad and chain stuns are becoming more and more a problem as they slowly reintroduce all the stuns from OW1 but now with 1 less tank to absorb it. I do think 1 tank is better for the game overall and I kinda like the hybrid-DPS tank thing that tanks are now, but I also greatly miss having a good tank partner and the feeling that gave (Rein/Zarya, Winston/D.Va, Hog/Sig, etc.) and the strategy brain needed to play tank

the first bastion was triggering me not using the damn matrix to boost his damage only 1 pixel away from the square

literally my favorite days in overwatch

Top 0.5% gameplay is why we don't have two tanks anymore

@JustaLamborghiniCountachWhoCom

3 ай бұрын

They cater to the higher ranked players and not the majority of the playerbase. Feels bad man.

I miss main tanking

but if you close your eyes "overwatch 2 disappears and everyone is happy with their money back"

Yeah and it was satisfying getting in there with ur ult

i miss OW 1 tank synergy, it was the most unique part of the game for me

Notice how none of that happened before Sigma got released?

One Sombra is all it takes to destroy them all

Bastion was INSANE

Balance issues that brought bad metas + the game being forgotten for years! 2 tanks wasn't the problem... not even close. If removing one tank "solved" something themselves created, then they shoud've just deleted brig when #removebrig was a thing. Half of their problems wouldn't even exist

the crazy thing is this looks so much more fun and teamwork oriented than ow2 which requires no brain cells and is just a big deathmatch

i started playing ow a bit after they added like you have to have 1 tank 2 dps and 2 heal in ow1 but i cant imagine anyone new to owl scene understanding all that chaos it seems so chaotic and just hard to keep track

@Archy_The-Wizard

5 ай бұрын

I agree. I played and loved OW1 but the league was hard to follow, which was probably one of the biggest reasons why it struggled so much. For actual play though, that didn't matter much, the only issues would come up with the visual clutter that having 2 extra players can bring, but then again we didn't have stuff like Lifeweaver's tree so honestly the visual clutter is similar in current OW2.

@muysli.y1855

5 ай бұрын

Overwatch get 2016 Game of the Year and until 2018 is was fun beside Brig but back then there was no Sigma or Bap so double Shield. These Clips are mostly 2019-2022 abandon era

it wasn’t an issue with 6v6 it was purely an issue with balance. there were many times where the game was great but then they changed the balance and didn’t touch it for months at a time

nostalgia is absolutely the only reason people want this again

@EPICPIXEL24

4 ай бұрын

They'll quit after one match lmao

@mastervule1844

4 ай бұрын

Idk who is saying they want "This" back, but people are sad they broke the 6v6 for no other reason but to change stuff up cause OW2 needed something different. I played OW for nearly 3 years, and during that time, double shield meta wasn't a thing

people want this back?

God I miss this, this is what Overwatch was about, these long drawn out fights that required a decent amount of teamwork to pull off, having to really think about your actions because one bad fuck up or literally one kill and that could cost you the point or worse the round, now its just everyone runs around and gets as many kills as they can

Off tank and main tank could have been two separate roles in ow2

So rework orisa and nerf sig sheild sheilds, and immort, boom problem solved, (rework brig and get rid of many stuns) how does one fix overwatch 2? Any ideas

@quote_ow

5 ай бұрын

add a tank

the orisa and bastion rework were the most needed tbh

"Gogogogogo movemovemovrmovemovr" *walked 3 meters*

This actually makes me appreciate OW2

Paladins has a balance. You could run a full team of tanks and it wouldn't cement your win. With the item system, shields can easily be delt with, especially in the late game, you also sacrifice a healer, so your teamwork has to be impeccable to really pull off the strategy, that and tanks are usually well balanced. In overwatch 2, whenever I play open queue and the whole enemy team goes tanks, it's so frustrating because you can feel the lack of balance as there will be little teamwork, yet you are still getting steamrolled by a full stack of tanks that basically have everything.

@muysli.y1855

5 ай бұрын

Yea this is what i talk since Ow1 double Shield we need Item/Ticket system like in League or Paladins Something to deal with such comp maybe you can have 2 of 5 upgrade which you can can equip. Gives you bonus against Shield, Heal, Overhealth or lifesteal, movement speed out of combat.

If there were two tanks, doom and Winston would work against double shield

@NotMadaraaa

4 ай бұрын

Or they could remove double shield???

already forgot how annoying it was to be stuck in place as bastion.

for some reasons i miss that now it's eh flat fights .. than before ok that was cancer but they was emotions during the fight