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@shazmosushi

2 жыл бұрын

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@SianaGearz

2 жыл бұрын

But the video hasn't "aired" yet, thus i had no opportunity to enjoy it.

@clocktower1164

2 жыл бұрын

Countries like Thailand and Malaysia are doomed to become sweatshops for high tech industries. The government doesn't know how to help the industry (actually they do not care, except for the $$$) so there is no incentive and plan for R&D. The Thai HDD industry still heavily depend on factories located in Penang, Malaysia for many of the critical parts, such as the servo motors.

@rrsharizam

2 жыл бұрын

@@clocktower1164 At least the Infineon facility in Kulim is nice. Doesn't look like a sweatshop to me.

@apage1717

2 жыл бұрын

@@clocktower1164 There're always fight among the elites with money along with politicians teams up to pull to others projects that money will be share among all involved, endless corruption with deep roots.

As a Thai, I feel kinda sad that our country failed to capitalize on these opportunities. The auto industry and hard disk industry has been in the country for over 30 years yet Thai car brand and Thai hard disk brand still does not exist. We only get to supply parts and assemble the product but have never been able to capture any significant know-how to do things by ourselves. At least Taiwan was able to set up TSMC / Asus / Acer / HTC / Foxconn from their tech industry know-how. Thailand has NOTHING prepared for the future.

@fleurdewin7958

2 жыл бұрын

Car brand for Thailand ??? You all did the right thing by not making cars. If you look at your neighbor , Malaysia , they do have 2 local car brands. However, the first one was bleeding money heavily until China came to the rescue, now the company is 49% owned by China. The next car brand only produces rebadged products from Daihatsu, since Toyota owns Daihatsu, Toyota will dictate what technological transfer can be done to the locals. Malaysia cannot make their own engines, the first car maker in the beginning use engines from Mitsubishi , after acquiring Lotus, they used old abandoned 1980's design Lotus engine to put into their cars until today.

@riwjin

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe you didn't know this, but we almost had one. SCG was about to debut "Elephant" brand (รถยนต์ยี่ห้อช้างไทย), but struck a deal with Toyota not to. I believe you could ask any white-collar SCG employee to verify this, it's not a secret or anything.

@pratyushojha

2 жыл бұрын

As long as the country is a part of the supply chain for any industry. It has the ability to develop a local products as a part of the supply chain. But the absence of the a domestic product should not be seen as a big problem.

@Tonyx.yt.

2 жыл бұрын

not a big deal as far as local supply chain are used to build those products...

@scottfranco1962

2 жыл бұрын

Thailand, as far as having a native disk drive company, lost to Allan Shugart, my old boss at Seagate. They had lots of company. Seagate would sell their grandmother for a few cents of cost advantage. They are a shining example of how an American corporation stays on top, mainly by subsuming any advantages the competition has at any cost. Do you want a Thai native disk drive company? Seagate is probably as close as you can come. They do everything there.

I had a friend that worked at one of the Seagate facilities in the US that makes the "head" or "drive suspensions". At the time those components were considered the secret sauce of the product. As they put it, it didn't matter that labor was so much more for those parts in the US. What mattered was the long-term viability of Seagate. Letting someone else know that IP would likely mean the rise of a competitor from that geographic region. The US is full of defunct companies that were once giants and are now just a brand to be licensed to the highest bidder. Seagate seemed very well aware of the risks of offshoring manufacturing to their long-term future.

Blows me away to think that my first computer's hard drive (10MB) would be lucky to hold 2 images from a modern digital camera.

@autohmae

2 жыл бұрын

Actually, first was 5MB. Not to mention the size, just look up: 5 MB IBM (IBM HDD went to Hitashi later sold to WDC)

@thanosal-titan

2 жыл бұрын

@@autohmae He is talking about HIS first HDD

@autohmae

2 жыл бұрын

@@thanosal-titan Ahh,my mistake ! Thanks for pointing it out

@SianaGearz

2 жыл бұрын

Wow you have been at it for long. My first HDD was 500MB. But my computer before that used primarily 5.25" floppies, and before that audio cassette tape :D

@withamarshview1436

2 жыл бұрын

We had an IBM 286 with 10MB hard drive. Prior to that, only 5¼" floppy was available.

Glad to see your first video about Thailand. I’ve always wanting to know more about my country’s advancement in this field and why it still doesn’t mature into something bigger than what it is currently. Nice video as always 👍👍

Thailands education system is miles off creating innovation experts

@reinerfranke5436

2 жыл бұрын

@Zhong Anthony Felix Xina Most of the valuable engineering knowledge come from work in R&D. Internationals doing cherry picking of locals and putting walls to the design knowledge. These policies are not company internal human resource optimizations but risk minimizations for the accounting heads. Once you have a local talent you risk that you born a future competition. There is seldom a equal multinational treatment of human talent because it could shift work within a company. Only outside competitive forces change labor localization. Education do not make much difference and talent is everywhere. That is my experience after 30y R&D in some multinationals.

@01DOGG01

2 жыл бұрын

Came here to say the same thing. Education standards are shocking.

@bosorot

2 жыл бұрын

I beg a different . Thais have the best innovative way to protect the tree. By put multi colors fabric around the tree trunk and call it a shrine . Nobody will dare to cut down that tree.

@apage1717

2 жыл бұрын

@@bosorot right on, but... if the elites and vip wants it, the rainbow ribbons will be removed in your plain sight in the daylights under the sun by the arm men. 555

@KLim13378

2 жыл бұрын

Malaysians: Hold my beer.

As an expat living in Thailand for some 18 years, my Thai wife has worked happily on the line at WD in Navanakorn Bangkok for many years. In recent times that harmony has been somewhat disrupted by down trends in the order books, no overtime offered to employees and recent job losses. They all fear for their jobs at WD. This video really highlights what is really going on in the HDD industry here in Thailand. Let's hope for an upturn in fortunes soon. Thailand really needs it. Thanks for uploading.

@la7era1u54

2 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately HDDs are outdated technology. I haven't bought one in over 6 years. SSDs are many times faster and competitively priced. HDDs will soon be relegated to niche uses for large data storage where fast read and write speeds are not needed, but only if the price is still low for the drive

@lzh4950

2 жыл бұрын

Remembered in 2014 HGST (a WD subsidiary) retrenched ~500 staff here in Singapore after it decided to offshore it's factory from there to Thailand. Am thinking if the _Navnakorn_ factory is the one that's the result of this, or if it'd alr existed bef that?

Great to see a number of Thailand-based viewers' reactions. Awesome video John, as usual.

Please boost your vocal volume. This video is rather quiet.

@hpdpco6634

2 жыл бұрын

I agree too.

@Huskie

2 жыл бұрын

super easy fix too.

@JingDalagan

2 жыл бұрын

Same here.

@halahmilksheikh

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, please boost the audio gain in your video editor. It should take about 4 clicks to do. Just select all of the audio you have in your timeline then boost gain. Compare your audio to professional news video's audio (on KZread) to see how quiet it is.

@DripDripDrip69

2 жыл бұрын

Yes if you show Stats or nerds this video's content loudness is -18dB. Way too quite. Ideally it should be as close to 0dB as possible

The volume of your video is so low that when the adverts on on, it goes BOOM! Please raise your recording level for a better viewing experience, instead us having to turn up the volume to the max!

I remember reading how, as soon as the floods hit in 2011, a mid-level procurement manager at Google called the CEO (I don't remember if it was Larry Page or Eric Schmidt at the time) and pretty much said "I need a PO for two billion dollars to buy every available drive from thailand before others do". THey got the money, and they got a huge bonus. Google was the only big company that could expand its disk space for several months afterwards!

John, thanks for the hard work and quality presentation. If I could ask, would you consider doing a video checklist and validate your audio levels are consistent with the industry norms? The videos following yours scare me silly with the volume differential. Thanks again!!

@mrPhyx

2 жыл бұрын

The ads are extremely loud in comparison. Since these are run randomly I can’t adjust volume in advance.

Very good video. My graduation project was at Philips in the Netherlands where I developed a harddisk driver monitoring device. A tool to measure the efficiency of the harddisk driversoftware. It was a wirewrap board with 68040 processor, 1mb of memory and EPROM for program storage. Plug it into the computer bus and data was send to a PC for analysis. We called it the IO-spy.

Your videos are very well done, and informative. Thank you for all the effort put into them.

Great insights! Would be great to see a vid on thai automotive industry, which may be starting to have certain of the same characteristics as HDD :)

I am a late adopter of tech. But I have moved to SSD storage entirely.

@funDAYsmiling

2 жыл бұрын

Screw HDD’s…. They take too damn long.

@autohmae

2 жыл бұрын

When HDDs are used by consumers it's for bulk storage like NAS. Which is where HDDs shine compared to SSDs

9:24 Ah the classic "holding the soldering iron by the hot end" XD

@autohmae

2 жыл бұрын

I assume this isn't one of those, but it does look like a bit like a stock photo where they do that. :-)

@alexcarter8807

2 жыл бұрын

Ouch! You def. don't hold a soldering iron there if it's on. I wonder if it's being used as a tool because it's well grounded?

@hugoboyce9648

2 жыл бұрын

@@alexcarter8807 I think it's because that's stock footage and they don't actually have to do anything that technically makes sense.

@fischX

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair it's not soldering but just playing with the disk head, so probably something you will actually see in production.

Have a feeling Hard Disc Drive goes the way of the Tape drive. No end user market, and only found in certain industries.

@aabb-zz9uw

2 жыл бұрын

They are used for mass storage.SSDs are only good for consumer and volatile data due to short lifetime(they lose data over time) and low reliability.All data centres which are gigantic facilities guarded by three layers of armed police/army units are and will be based on HDDs.This is because of the nature of semiconductor storage.

@miguelzavaleta1911

2 жыл бұрын

Not only are those "certain industries" you mention huge, HDDs are still big in the consumer market. Some technologies like Proof of Stake are also making mass storage more important to crypto users... HDDs are here to stay for the foreseeable future.

@DripDripDrip69

2 жыл бұрын

I am an end user planning to buy a hard drive because I can't afford 8TB+ SSD.

@bottomtext5872

2 жыл бұрын

SSD's are still expensive and they don't last as long.

@johndoh5182

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, and you just don't realize how big those certain industries are. There are server farms that need Petabytes of storage. You don't do that with SSD or you go bankrupt. You need backup. You also probably need reliability which means arrays with redundancy. So, MANY years away from mechanical drives going away. BTW. An SSD can't store data for 20 years+. A mechanical drive can. So as a backup device, a mechanical drive is about the best thing going, although if you don't have much data and find a writer that works correctly with the discs, then M-Disc is supposed to be the longest lasting way to store data. Mechanical drives are going to be up near 50TB in about 5 years. Maybe by that time there will be an affordable 4TB SATA SSD, maybe. Most likely though it will be priced about the same as a 20TB HDD.

I was just wondering about this. Please do more on the electronics industry in Thailand.

From my knowledge having lived in east asia as an EE, innovation and inventive creativity start at home. So to come up with new ideas, humans need to 'play' in tech before they do it professionally. That's the main difference between east and west. We have many more hobbies that turn into opportunities and research.

Great videos, keep it up! Also but one point of feedback, up the audio, every video on youtube is maxed on this and for yours I have to trap myself by turning the volume all the way up just to listen.

Slick presentation...very well done!

Thank you for a great video going into details of the history, individual components, companies, education of work force and political factors affecting business development cycles of HDD. I believe this cycle may be applicable to most products and countries as the globalization of competition continues. All persons, companies and countries must continuously assess their comparative advantage to survive.

Can you do Thailand's Auto manufacturing industry? Alot Japanese makes (mitsubishi, toyota) outsource their parts production to this region, I know for a fact that many OEM parts are Thai made, but branded 'Genuine Toyota'.

@ak06041

2 жыл бұрын

I am indian and i was surprised how some of the best aftermarket auto components are made in thailand.

@ClockworksOfGL

2 жыл бұрын

I noticed a lot of Japanese manufacturers (Nikon, Daikin, Panasonic) seem to like Thailand.

@varshard0

2 жыл бұрын

We even boasted about being Detroit of Asia. Detroit was nicer back then

@lzh4950

2 жыл бұрын

Thailand gave more incentives for car companies to setup factories there I heard e.g. there was a time period when the government subsidized car sales there too, helping to boost factory activity

great vid ! factual info appreciated always.

0:07 , since when is Germany an exporter of HDDs? Never heard about that. I also can't find the source.

I can’t believe you talked so much about the “government of Thailand” without mentioning it has basically been a military government since a 2014 coup d’etat with the thin veneer of democracy added in 2019. I wanted to like this video, but the lack of clarity about the government puts everything else into doubt.

@AnonYmous-es5kg

2 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure Thailand has some sort of record for most military coups in the past century. They love doing that shit over there

@shreyvaghela3963

2 жыл бұрын

Coups are normal in Thailand

Good to see a video about Thailand's manufacturing sector. I would appreciate something similar about the Philippines too.

@hesdam4935

2 жыл бұрын

But Thailand's manufacturing capabilities are greater than the Philippines.

What a channel. Wish I’d known sooner

Very interesting. Thank you.

The world is changing really fast

@xorxpert

2 жыл бұрын

not fast enough. us humans are so behind in life it’s sad. 2030+ will be end of times. i don’t expect much to progress in our lives besides war and the end of all humanity, and in all it may be a good thing

Middle income trap is notoriously hard to get past, Thailand is the prime example of that, gdp per capita has barely budged in the last 20 years.

@autohmae

2 жыл бұрын

One of other comments mentioned they don't have good English skills, this seems like a basic requirement to get out of it which a government could have done/should have done, many many years ago

@rrsharizam

2 жыл бұрын

@@autohmae Philippines and India have good English skills but...

@wavemaker2077

2 жыл бұрын

@@rrsharizam The Philippines and India are just rising now. They were down before due to mismanagement. But times change. I expect those 2 countries to surpass Thailand in the near future.

I love your channel so much dude

Good information on a dying industry as solid-state drives increasingly take over. Perhaps you can work on a presentation on the SSD industry as well.

@gazz01

2 жыл бұрын

It's not dying , HDD is still mostly used in servers which accounts for more than 70% In India, around 300-400 Millions people do not have any smartphones which is going to change next year because of coming JioPhone Next (Made with collaboration of Reliance Jio and Google costing less than 40usd) So as long as people are uplifting & witnessing social media 1st time, data will grow at a large scale. In India 5 datacenters with the help of Infosys, TCS, Microsoft and IBM are in progress. As the data centres are increasing HDD will not go extinct even in 20 years.

@zxcvb_bvcxz

2 жыл бұрын

There's a good chance that both this video and your comment are stored on a hard drive in a Google datacentre.

@iraklimgeladze5223

2 жыл бұрын

On a CCTV system, SSD is useless and SSD still twice more expesive

@gazz01

2 жыл бұрын

@@str5454 yes bro they created so much hype at the end they have to decrease the price else it will flop

@SRSpawn

2 жыл бұрын

HDD's ain't effected by being stored & not used for years, also they don't have a limit to how many times data can be written to it. same can't be said for SSD or any flash memory device. So HDD's dying out?. That made me laugh 🤣

Good video, very informative. Although toward the end you raise a big question that remains un-addressed: with the improvements in SSD technology, are there any returns to be had investing in HDD research & development. To make an analogy to flat-screen display market, Pioneer was known to have developed the most advanced, best performing plasma PDP technology. Yet the company went belly up, and then, even though it was able to set a market price for the purchase of that technology, Panasonic also failed to make a serious go of pushing that technology into it's products. Now, a decade later, Plasma is dead, and all that R&D by Pioneer, Panasonic, and others is just so much more yen on the bonfire. There are, presumably, fixed limits in power consumption beyond which HDD's, but like PDP technology, simply cannot go. Furthermore, I suspect part of the reason for not pushing R&D outside of the master parent company organization is that the regime of IP innovation has shifted largely from one of "file patent and earn rent" to one of "keep trade secret locked up within contractually bound supply chain". There are a number of reasons for that supposition but it would be an interesting point for you to look at in a future video, particularly with what was going to be proposed in the TPP but never happened.

@fleurdewin7958

2 жыл бұрын

As an IT engineer, I would say SSD has its own market , hard disk has another different market altogether. In the past, all computers be it a desktop , laptop or server starting from the mid 1990's have at least 1 harddisk . Today most laptops doesn't even have a hard disk or a place to mount a hard disk altogether. Today the only place where hard disks belong are storage servers. Those places are where the money is for all the 3 HDD manufacturers. Enterprise grade HDD are sold for at least 3 times the price of consumer range HDD, thus profit margin is high. And the IT industry cannot migrate altogether to SSD because there are 3 inherent weakness in SSD cost, low capacity and finite data write capacity . SSD and HDD will coexist for a long long while . However, HDD might replace LTO tape drives just like how optical disc replaced floppy disc since prices have fallen so much over the past decade. You cannot compare the plasma TV tech companies like Pioneer against the 3 HDD manufacturers today. The 3 of them do sell SSD to cater for market switch from HDD to SSD. The lesson to be learnt here is, you don't innovate, you die; you don't adapt to market demand, you die.

@scottfranco1962

2 жыл бұрын

Its a good question (further research into hard drives). They are still doing some amazing things, advanced magnetic materials, layered recording, etc. However, the basis of the industry is electromechanical, which means it is inherently slower and more complex than SSDs. You can only move a mass (head arm) so fast. The recent research in disk drives has gone mainly to increasing their density, and therefore reducing cost. Because this does nothing to help the speed disadvantage of HDDs, this trend will actually accelerate the demise of the HDD industry, because it accelerates the trend of HDDs towards being a backup medium only. HDDs cannot get any simpler. They have two moving parts: the head and the disks, and both probably spin on air now (certainly true of heads, not sure about spindles). Because HDDs are more complex and take more manufacturing effort than SDDs, the cost advantage of HDDs is an illusion. The fall is near.

@scottfranco1962

2 жыл бұрын

@@fleurdewin7958 Capacity means cost, and write burnthough is overrated. SSDs already meet the 10 year computer tech standard (anything that lasts for 10 years is ok, since it will be obsolete in 10 years). HDDs are a bad long term bet, and by the way HDDs don't work forever either.

@PainterVierax

2 жыл бұрын

@@fleurdewin7958 As Scott Franco said, the writing endurance of SSDs is not an issue anymore, especially in the storage server where archives/backups jobs don't wear them much. Although HDDs don't last long in other server applications. In fact the main disadvantage is the cost, and only the cost, as it's totally feasible to manufacture a densely populated SSD larger in capacity than any HDD.

You didn't mention the factor of democracy in innovation.

Hi, i want to understand the "war economy", what you suggest to read or watch? Thanks.

11:50 Thailand as a whole is not doing good right now, their industries have been stagnant for years due to political instability and inability to innovate. Worse yet, the pandemic has decimated one of their bread and butter industries; tourism. Notice in that graph the -6% GDP growth in 2019, the year BEFORE the pandemic, it certainly got much worse in 2020 due to the pandemic with probably not much improvement in 2021.

ug. did you set the audio for headphones? very hard to hear on my speakers.

Would like to see more sustainability In HDDs Longer lasting drives Reuse, Repurposing Remanufacturing should be a norm, not an exception mostly for RMA drives only. Recycling, Recourse extration as the last step.

I still like HDDs for back-ups and some video content. There is still a huge gap in price/TB to go for an all-SSD PC if you collect video footage of any kind.

Same like indonesia we set electronic (national,maspion,polytron) and car manufacter at 70s (toyota kijang,Kia timor,Hyundai bimantara) even a plane industry like IPTN but in the end when the goverment had switch the plan and work are ruins

@Renormal

10 ай бұрын

Indonesia is doing better than Thailand, you guys have actual home-grown heavy industries. (Trains, Planes and military equipments)

Excellent!

As a surfer, this video hits me differently.

@PrograError

2 жыл бұрын

you got hard disk drive?

There is a central theme that underlies these expositions on economies in East and SE Asia. High tech products underlying highly competitive markets with surprisingly low margins. It is incredible that I can buy a machine like the PS5 for 500$. But I wonder how sustainable this kind of market structure is.

@fallout560

2 жыл бұрын

Considering that these things operate in scale and African labor has not been "plugged in" to the supply chain yet, probably quite a while

The market also quickly shifts to Kioxia - ex Toshiba, new enterprise storage drive units shipped is probably 75% Kioxia

Thumbnail really reminds me of Iron Maiden 'Somewhere in time' cover. HD are amazing technology we take for granted now

y ur vidoes always low bro....great content please increase the volume

Despite John mentioning that singapore is way ahead in R&D, the issue is that we are still very lagging in comparison to other countries especially in high tech industries such as medical devices, electronics and telecommunication. Mostly due to how the government weight every high tech startup and university spin offs heavily on 'profitability'. Also, there is a complacency of Singaporeans to rely on foreign developed technologies due to quite having many MNCs setting up shops here, often with experts of foreign origin upsetting the local PMETs for various reasons such as lack of skill transfer to the local workforce. These also lead to little to none indigenous technology in the recent decades that a Singaporean such as myself could be proud of.

@SianaGearz

2 жыл бұрын

High expectations? How much vertical domestic high tech do you expect of a city state of 5 million? I think you're doing OK.

It's already been 10 years since those floods? Damn, I'm old

I know someone, that writes code for physics simulation of magnets for seagate(in Europe).

I wonder what would happen to HDD company in Thailand when Sdd becomes more popular

@autohmae

2 жыл бұрын

That's already the case: May 21, 2021: SSDs Outsell HDDs in Unit Sales 3:2: 99 Million Vs. 64 Million in Q1 But as the graph at 12:40 shows, the overall market is still growing so HDDs aren't in decline yet.

@wavemaker2077

2 жыл бұрын

Just give them some more time. They will become dinosaurs in the near future. Just like the beeper technology disappeared after the cellphone text messaging appeared. The beeper companies didn't disappear right away but they were bound to disappear due to technology obsolescence.

@PrograError

2 жыл бұрын

@@wavemaker2077 well... the beeper 'tech" is now in china as those table self service waiting pagers (tho it's probably another kind of tech but the logic behind seems similar to me)

@wavemaker2077

2 жыл бұрын

@@PrograError You mean the restaurants call the beeper company to tell the orders and then the beeper operators will text back the orders to the pager? If it's not like that, then maybe it is more similar to the texting service of the cellphones which is automated.

@PrograError

2 жыл бұрын

@@wavemaker2077 nope, each stalls have a “base station” which is also the one that call the “beeper”, when it’s X number’s turn, the “base station” will pager the beeper which will vibrate to notify its done.

Need louder volume.

Holding soldering Iron for its heater - stocks video favorite.

like the video. don't seethe point of the "premier"

in the 90's i used mostly maxtor HDD had 2 of the 68mb 5.25 inch high hdd the spin up on those felt like the computer would walk off the desk and dim the lights a lit in my room

Which country makes most of SSD ?

I haven't had a harddrive in my computer since 2013. Fits fairly well with the chart of HDD going down. Completely agree this is a R&D problem, as well as lack of expansion and adapting to the market. Since they were doing HDDs, they should have expanded to SSDs also, which has been the writing on the wall for a decade already.

@Kenionatus

2 жыл бұрын

While that would have provided great hedging against the decline of HDDs it's also a completely different industry. An SSD has, to my knowledge, more similarities with CPUs than HDDs. Since Thailand's expertise from HDD manufacturing is in the precision mechanics sector, it would probably make more sense to innovate there.

@katbryce

Жыл бұрын

I think rather than thinking ssds, which are a completely different technology, they need to be thinking about other sectors where precision mechanical engineering is needed, because that’s what their skillset is.

I can see many political and cultural problems in many South-East Asian countries, and Thailand is a prime example. Things cannot improve until you can be free to criticise what is, and many Asian countries have a cultural aversion to freedom to criticise their institutions, so will have difficulty implementing improvements therein.

@VanTran-ne4yf

2 жыл бұрын

A region with 700 million people and undevelop, you can not have democracy and freedom of speech like western countries. Look at China economic success, did China need democracy and freedom of speech ? Within 40 years, They transform 500 million people living in poverty into the world largest middle class with bigger bank balance than Europe and US . Who is the winner?

@Hfil66

2 жыл бұрын

@@VanTran-ne4yf I was not talking about democracy, but some element of freedom of speech, yes. As I said, the problem of being fearful of criticism is something true of much of south-east Asia (not just the PRC), even in countries that nominally have some form of democracy, such as the Philippines. It is a cultural thing much more than a political thing. I am talking about issues such as the guy who got sued in Thailand for leaving a negative review of a hotel on Trustpilot - how can companies hope to improve if they refuse to listen to the complaints of their customers? It does have a political dimension as well, where politicians are unwilling to listen to the complaints of the populace, but the political dimension is only one dimension of a much broader issue.

@VanTran-ne4yf

2 жыл бұрын

@@Hfil66 I agree that business and company has the right to sue customers that deliberately lie and want to destroy the business.In the last 20 years, every country in the world can see the power of social media. In court, the business need to provide evidence such as : document, camera, witness, record. if they dont have enough evidence then they going to end up pay legal fees for the defendant too. it a huge risk.

@Hfil66

2 жыл бұрын

@@VanTran-ne4yf The case I am referring to did not indicate the review was a lie, merely a legitimate opinion. The point is that under Thai law (and Philippine law, and I suspect common amongst other nations in the region) truth is not a defence against libel, whereas in Western countries, if you can show that what you are saying is true, or at least a reasonable opinion, then you can use that as a defence against an accusation of libel.

@wjameszzz

Жыл бұрын

@@Hfil66 What a load of racist nonsense.

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What brand manufactures in Germany?

Wrong on the first sentence: acronym "HDD" means "Hard Disk Drive"

Would love to see your analysis on Thailand's EEC affiliated projects, as to what they actually are and has any of them actually materialized yet? Cause i'ma Thai myself and i'm still confused. 🙁

Love your videos but your audio level is a bit low, Can you boost it a bit in future videos, thanks

Would like to request louder volume. Had a bit of trouble playing this on my PC.

The Battle of HDD is the same as Record Turntable makers in the CD age.. I think it is over for Mechanical drives.

@fleurdewin7958

2 жыл бұрын

No where near over. The mechanical drives are just dead in consumer space. However, in enterprise market, it is booming since more and more contents are going online and you need space to store these content, especially higher quality videos. In enterprise market, HDD are sold at least 3 times the price of the consumer range ones. HDD will co-exist with SSD for many many more years to come until SSD has reach cost per TB of capacity parity with HDD , and resolve the issue of limited write cycles of the NAND flash. Largest HDD is 18TB, largest SSD is 8TB for now , long way for SSD to catch up without compromising reliability.

@wavemaker2077

2 жыл бұрын

@@fleurdewin7958 Just give it some time. The HDD will go the way of the CDs. Gone.

@fleurdewin7958

2 жыл бұрын

@@wavemaker2077 That will be an awful long amount of time. If you look at enterprise market, tape drives are still around despite being that archaic. LTO standards are still updating as of now. Unless tape drives are gone , HDD will still remain for decades to come.

@M-DIY

2 жыл бұрын

Nope, only consumers think like that. Every durable NAS server uses spinning hard drives. HDD or Spinning hard drives have better write cycles as compared to NAND storage devices. In every enterprise, HDDs are used because they are cheaper and more durable for heavy loads, whereas solid state drives are best for higher bandwidth usage, like installing operating system or softwares.

I watched ur videos about semicon in India Malaysia n Thailand. My question is.. Between Thai, Malaysia and India which country has a better future for semicon to grow further?

@M-DIY

2 жыл бұрын

Whichever country better adopts new world order.

So, a *Seagate* co-founder says, _"We had too many surfers"_ (4:20 coincidence?). Well, next time don't name your company sea-gate.

@500dollarjapanesetoaster8

2 жыл бұрын

Founder deserves some of the criticism as well. Why did you put the company near Santa Cruz, know for the beach/boardwalk and a university? No duh it's full of surfers! Should've put it in the Bay Area with more staff and resources.

@nickfries4317

2 жыл бұрын

Steve Luczo, the ceo for many years, was known to be a surfer. I heard he sometimes would leave early to head over to Santa Cruz and surf. I think that co-founder comment was pretty irrelevant and inaccurate, though, and it all boiled down to cost, not lack of talent.

The problem is that, if you buy an HDD retail in Thailand, you will get one of the QC rejects. I solved this by buying a new drive, and then going directly upstairs to the warranty returns place to exchange it. They give you another one, no questions asked, no bill needed. Seagate recycled defective ones, WD gave you a new, properly working one.

@sunoverbeach

2 жыл бұрын

I bought a "new" 8TB Seagate drive on eBay and have had issues with it ever since. They were selling them cheaper than anywhere else and I should've known. Oh well, live and learn..

@seanrodgers1839

2 жыл бұрын

@@sunoverbeach Cheap drives are known as paper weights. If you value your time and data, spend more up front on certain products. I have a stack of dead drives. I also have others that never stop, one is a Seagate.

Thailand's issues are the same with any Asian assembly economy like China, they do the assembly and then claim that they made the entire thing. The actual critical part of the device is not made there. Most complex items such as HDD's and Iphones may be stamped Maid in China or Thailand, but it's not really the case. HDD's for example, the head spindle and motors are not critical parts that can't be sourced else where from another manufacturer around the world. For HDD"s it's actually the platters that are the critical components, and neither of those are made in Thailand or China. In reality HDD's are not made in Thailand or China for the top end products, they are merely just assembled there. The reality is that the most critical components of a electronic device is actually still made in USA, Japan, Taiwan, Korea, and Europe.

Most my HDD's and optical drives have been made in the Philippines .

Samsung pretty much owns the SSD space now. They have the advantage that they also fabricate their own silicon, they don't just do the design.

I lived in Bangkok during the flood. made me wonder if Seagate would pull out. glad they didn't.

After of the use of millions of broken HDDs, their pieces should be reused or recycled for minimizing the environmental impact, avoiding their disposals or pollutions. If the HDD's electronics go faster then the HDDs may go faster. Legacy BIOS (instead of UEFI) limits the HDD's capacity to the aged 2 TB and it could be a good incentive for the HDD's industries.

@SianaGearz

2 жыл бұрын

Curiously, most BIOSes will happily boot a 4KB-sector HDD up to 8TB in size in MBR mode; but Windows might break on anything that isn't 512b-sectored due to bootloader issues, thus mandating the use of GPT. Linux and BSD had to handle large disks long, long before GPT was invented, thus more flexible support. Not sure what kind of incentive since MBR boot has been kinda dead for a decade?

@hemant3332

2 жыл бұрын

Still no one is using more than 2 TB hard disk in their computer, most of the hard disk are still coming under 2 TB size, hard disk capacity to price ratio is not increasing from almost 10 years now.

@scottfranco1962

2 жыл бұрын

@@SianaGearz Microsoft method for dealing with limits: Ow! I cut myself on this broken glass bottle. I will throw it down the path a couple yards. Later.... Ow! I cut myself on this bottle. I will throw it....

hard drive is probably the most advanced mechanical device most people ever owned.

Thai HDD manufacturers should work with NSTDA and Thammasat U to resolve these issues. I know some incredibly gifted Thai Engineers. It seems to be more of a policy problem than a human resource problem.

I had a Toshiba 2 tb hard disk that died in 4 years rip

I thought HDDs were being replaced by SSDs - will the Thai factories be able to switch production - or are HDDs only dissappearing from laptops etc?

@charlesselrachski34

2 жыл бұрын

ssds are just a set of wearing out memory chips, what chips fabs do you see in thailand today?

@scottfranco1962

2 жыл бұрын

Sure, but the problem is that anyone can get into the SSD business, and your SDD chip supplier is your god.

Internet runs on HDDs and many computers still use them including laptops. If Thailand did have another flood it will cause shortages for all types of storage devices.

Sounds like the same problem as Malaysia. But i think the Malaysian Government did realise this earlier than Thailand, but the fruits have yet to be seen.

@vanhoe0

2 жыл бұрын

Malaysia government needs to invest more on local tech upstarts, if they don't want to lose golden goose like Grab to Singapore.

@rrsharizam

2 жыл бұрын

@@vanhoe0 There's nothing we can do about Grab. The founder is a Singapore fanboy to begin with despite taking our govt money. They'll move to Singapore anyway regardless of what we do.

@ridhuanrizal9696

2 жыл бұрын

@@rrsharizam yeah i have to concur. The founders followed the money, and there was more risk appetite in Singapore. If it were in any other developing economy, the same problem arises. However, investors in countries like Indonesia did pick this up (to be more risk seeking), but only years after Grab.

Thank you for your great Intel i9.

I’ve only purchased Western Digital external hard drives for the past ten or twelve years. I’ve never had a problem with them and I’ve purchased many. I have some more than 20 years old that still work. Seagate, on the other hand, I avoid whether it’s an external or internal hard drive. Maybe just bad luck, but I’ve had nothing but trouble with seagate

@xxx_ray

2 жыл бұрын

I have had the opposite experience

Is it just me or the volume feels lower than your other videos?

@wavemaker2077

2 жыл бұрын

The volume is indeed lower in this video. I even have to max the volume in youtube just to hear what he is saying.

It’s no problem Taylor makes hard drives we buy hard drives all good

What am I looking at, at 9:24? Somebody moves the read/write head with a soldering iron, which he/she holds at the hot end??

The most significant factor why you could not find anything more about gov-backed technological progression after 2007 is 2006 coup. Almost every program that would contribute to long-term societal advancement got demolished, especially those that would increase opportunity and reduce income disparity. Take IRPUS Expo for example, it was a gov-subsidized program to bring out university thesis-producers from their dens and meets with potential investors and customers to create new businesses. One session of great success and then demolished forever. I can't describe enough how damaging the military and the monachy have been to the people, society, and the country.

@speedzero7478

2 жыл бұрын

This is the correct answer. The government after 2006 preferred to use the easy path of tourism. Before October of 2006, Thailand was rapidly developing. You can still see the results of this time, for example, the most modern and efficient Honda factory in the world is in Chacheongsao, Thailand, not Japan. Plus a lot of the rail system has been improved, whereas 30 years ago it was very shoddy. Look at Malaysia! Malaysia isn't a perfect country but they have a higher living standard. You didn't need a perfect government, but when there is investment in airports, ports, roads, railways and schools, it can have a profound positive impact. Malaysia also has a good amount of IT work, outside KL has offices of Microsoft and Google, that is one industry Thailand should be looking to get involved with.

SSD send their regards

I like Premiere. And all your content. This was really good but could have had a bit more about the floods and the more recent tech advances to keep the HDD competitive, and in what markets. I don't have HDDs personally so a catch up on the last five years of where the market is going would be great. Follow up video please?

There is a reason people use HDD for Chia mining plots and not SSD, same goes for many other things. I have one 1TB SSD and several HDDs myself so I ain't bias or against either, but I do know the fundamental difference between both, ie PROs and CONs and that HDD is far from dying out or going extinct anytime soon.

How abour SSDs? Who is the biggest manufacturer?

So these days people have moved to flash drive kind of hardware yes? How was this effected hard drive making in Thailand. My domestic grade computers have had solid drives, no moving parts, since about 2020 or 2021.

@davegraham7550

Ай бұрын

I see you mention about this near the end of the video.

Is the Premiere thing really necessary? To me it’s kind of annoying and I don’t see what value it adds…

@vanhoe0

2 жыл бұрын

I think it's a strategic move to boost the KZread algorithm. If you have a Premiere, it will likely have more views for the first hour. Which will trigger KZread to recommend the video to others once a certain threshold of views is achieved. Don't quote me though, I'm just talking out of my ass.

One strange thing is that Hard Drives are expensive here in Thailand. :/

It all comes down to $$$$$ remove taxes and import duties and watch it grow, it really is that simple.

Your content deserves a better microphone and recording/mixing equipment. No offence intended, just important advice.

This is Thailand, a long way to go. Thailand is located on a good geo areas. Blessing by mother nature, it has abundant natural resource but the biggest problem is the corruption and low quality human resource. The elite control and make the rules. Comparing to it neighbor, FDI will go elsewhere. Can you do Taiwan political economic? And also about Tsai.

@scottfranco1962

2 жыл бұрын

I don't know. Most of the war and political turbulence of Asia passed the Thais by. Look at their neighbors.

Great video but moot considering the popularity of solid state drives now.

@autohmae

2 жыл бұрын

HDDs are for longer term and bulk storage, SSDs are for speed and desktops/laptops. It doesn't seem like this will change that much in coming years.

@SianaGearz

2 жыл бұрын

@@autohmae It will change once price/GB of SSD reaches parity. Thing is HDD capacity per square inch of platter space has been barely growing recently, not much investment in the tech. The price can no longer be reduced either. SSD price/GB will continue free falling for the foreseeable future. The parity point is likely within 5 years. One thing SSD really dislike is being disconnected from power for weeks/years on end. But most storage is daily used devices, NAS, servers, they are all fundamentally suitable for SSDs, just waiting for prices to nudge their way down. Server use is also sensitive to power consumption, and an SSD is so much more power efficient. A disk in a server runs for typically about 5-7 years before replacement and this timespan is easily covered by SSD just like HDD.

@autohmae

2 жыл бұрын

@@SianaGearz As you mentioned, SSD has it's issues for long term storage. The HDD manufacturers have some new technologies lined up which should come to market 'soon'. I also think it's in the time frame somewhere between 5 and 10 years we'll see price parity.

@SianaGearz

2 жыл бұрын

@@autohmae When powered, SSD have excellent long term endurance, not really substantially better or worse than HDD, but they do need to be able to auto-refresh the data once in a while, which consumes just a little percentage of their RW cycles, thus they need to stay powered on regularly. The reason HDD are used for cold storage is because they survive that nicely and are cheap. And they are cheap because there's a huge mass market that needs them for their sheer capacity per $ as online, powered up storage. Once that market collapses due to price parity, HDD should go up in price because economy of scale collapses; probably will cause tape to become more prevalent for cold storage. LTO or maybe laser optical. Seagate is one of the forces behind LTO, WD and Toshiba are major SSD/Flash players. In 10 years, capacity per platter went from exactly 1GB to 2.2GB with heat or microwave assist. How much in the next 5-10 years? Maybe 3GB? Maybe 4GB? At increasing expense in hardware, and no way to keep pace with SSD tech that is in engineering stages and where expense is trending down with no roadblock in sight.

Now I know Thailand exports are cars especially pickup trucks and HDD.

Lowest audio levels I've encountered on KZread for quite a while!

That graph didn't have a multiplier for the number of HDD shipments. Does that mean there were really only 200 or so hard drives shipped in 2000?

@jmiquelmb

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, only 200 shipped in the entire world. I was very lucky to get one for my PC, the MIT and Berkeley were begging me to sell them one but I said no, I needed space to install Half Life.

@greas1233

2 жыл бұрын

@@jmiquelmb Holy mother of based.

@abdullahtrees5204

2 жыл бұрын

@@greas1233 it's a joke Based joke tho