Awesome informative video Gold! Thanks for sharing your findings, the hash grab aoe was nuts as well as the awake guardian range!

Dope video Gold! Honestly super surprised at some of these ranges, ESPECIALLY Guardian and Scholar. Those are some absurdly long grab ranges

Tysm for having your defense icons turned on for this, learned from that too. I hope you make more videos comparing classes by their protections, gaps, ccs etc! You can break the pvp gatekeep!

Good content, thx for taking the time to show this

Nicely done! Was considering doing a similar video myself. As others mentioned the speeds, ranges and punishable potentials factor alot.

nice video overall good work

On the Lahn grab I'm pretty sure it lollipops at the end. That's why they'll clip a close up grab and say it doesn't have a cone, but the cone is larger as it goes out.

cool video! :)

I am glad you are bringing attention to this. I have been complaining about this for years. Grabs are part of the basic combat mechanics they need to adress. Resistance is not necessary. They just need to fix grabs. Hell even Wizard is dumb af. Warrior is +1 meter to the avg grab. (extra step) Lahn & Sage is +3 meters. Scholar is like +6, but actual usuable range depends on buffs/slows. Now the real cringe part about all those grabs is the difference in exposure, Cancels due to grab, movement before the grab.. :D

@Otrsor

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, what really matters isnt range tbh, its speed and predictability. Tamer grab range might seem low compared to corsair but a corsair needs to think twice before attempting it just because how long, unprotected and telegraphed the grab is while tamer grab barely has an animation, any non ability used in WW range of a tamer can pretty much instantly be punished, forcing the players to simply kite the class constantly as there isnt anything else that can be done while grab is off CD, similar issue with ranger grab for example, they are simply too damn fast to allow any other type of counterplay other than kiting, if they had more range the only difference would be the range you would have to kite them from.

Another thing to be considered is the movement each class that anticipates those grabs, because they kind of works as a range extenders... Have a longer range grab won't matter when the class with the lesser range has a hundred miles s to get into your face and use it. Definitely it's not like all classes would walk and grab in the same way... Just think about how ninja grabs works, always after a long range block jump, same thing for ranger, that can forward into a grab with no counterplay.

I love how many of these can grab from outside awake witch range attack....

Aside from range, animation speed is a huge factor with how strong a grab is. It is nice to see all the ranges back to back though

@Goldsteinburg

4 ай бұрын

yea i didnt get too into the rest of the details, there's plenty of other factors to determine how useful a grab really is, the cone range, startup speed, miss punish length, grab duration, preemptive skills, etc.. but guardian def took the cake with the surprise factor for stationary grab im sorry LOL

Ninja grabs are the two most honest grabs. One is really slow and unprotected for 60% of the successful animation, with a long punish window if you whiff, but has reach The other is fast and instantly protected on success, but with no reach. Everybody's grabs should be nerfed to one of these two.

bruh why is that chain so tight that shit might as well be a collar bruh

sorry but what is the pearl clothing for the berserker? it looks so cool

@Goldsteinburg

4 ай бұрын

Taebak outfit with cape hidden 🫡

Can you show how protected some grabs are (fail grab into protection) vs the others to find the true most broken grab (its tamer/ranger we know)

@Goldsteinburg

2 ай бұрын

id like to do that but id need to be sure that i have know the fastest cancels for each class to do that so it requires quite a bit of research considering a lot of players don't even know the fastest cancels on their classes. maybe ill get around to it though i was already thinking about it when we made this video and went over how fast tamer/ranger can cancel

Wanna get more surprises? Yes, lahn have a 30º cone for grab if u have some distance... Now test zerker and striker almost melee, they have a 180º range for grabs and like 3m heigh up and down and no 1 complains xD U can just stay besides them and they will grab u while aiming forward xD In nodes zerkers are grabbing me when the head of my character is below their feets on a rock, awa lahn doesn't... Zerker and strikers grab me while flying 2m above their heads, lahn doesn't... i don't think awa lahn grab is a menace anymore tbh. But nice content u have there, is nice to check this things from time to time ^^

@konigstiger8518

4 ай бұрын

That's called desync my friend

@Seiza_InSomnia

4 ай бұрын

@@konigstiger8518 Desync in arena vs a dummy? i dont think so, my friend. It was tested the same way he is testing the grabs, just before i got grabbed that way in a NW. Even if i get up to the wall, zerker still grabs me, but lahn doesn't,

@konigstiger8518

4 ай бұрын

@@Seiza_InSomnia must've watched a different video than you then. there was no dummy climbing a wall and getting grabbed.

@Seiza_InSomnia

4 ай бұрын

@@konigstiger8518 I didn't say that it was in that video, i was talking about personal experience while testing grabs. Because everybody says lahn awa grab is op but they don't realize other classes grabs are way more broken.

@konigstiger8518

4 ай бұрын

@@Seiza_InSomnia yes, what you have experienced is desync... thanks for clearing that up. i understand where you're coming from but the game is bad, and the net code is worse. it was desync

Now imagine trying to avoid some of these grabs and the people using them are 120+ ping. Even if you do on your screen this is why you get grabbed because of absurd distances in the first place. Any grab class with absurd distance needs to have speed debuffs removed so they can’t abuse high ass ping.

Could you do a glabs vid for us console? Heard we getting fg ankle?

@Goldsteinburg

4 ай бұрын

Yes pc is getting fg ankle next week idk when console is

@xvii7718

4 ай бұрын

@@Goldsteinburg I'd like to see a vid with your opinion/s on the buff and thoughts on where warrior should be taken in the future cause rn I feel like we need someTHING🤣 PC might not look so bad but console warrior is down so bad it's actually ridiculous.

T-REX ARMS DEBUNKED

They should cover up the 'melee' grabs with a universal lunge animation. It just looks terrible

we need shai grab

@ScreaM94

4 ай бұрын

imagine a shai holding a zerker over her head lol

whats the reason you playing on potato graphics with crop mode ?

@Goldsteinburg

3 ай бұрын

Crop mode is for better FOV. Potato is for better FPS.

Feels like training dummy's hitbox is a lot bigger than a player

@Goldsteinburg

4 ай бұрын

i thought that but we tested on players during this as well and it actually looked the same, at least for warrior it was the same

I'd rather have ranged in general than a ranged grab in this meta.

Guardian grab doesnt really work like that tho, the dash itself is not part of the grab, it does a dash and then procs the grab, the dash part is even worse cuz a slow can fuck the whole dash part and delay the grab part even more. Its literally a worse version of the dash+grab combo of the warrior that u do with two separated inputs. Idk why people act like is broken when its pretty much bad

I checked it with a friend and I legit grabbed in his head and it failed, several times, me a warrior and he a kuno. The game is just strange man

the more you look into the game mechanics you understand you gota play like 1sec ahead of what you see also look into model size and how skills work :P

@Goldsteinburg

4 ай бұрын

didnt see any difference after making adjustments to my character sizes

Would have loved to see Succ Warrior Prime Take Down here. Absolute says it has extra range, prime doesnt. These were well enough tests to really tell what grabs are really over tuned though. AoE on grabs is peak BS tho lol.

Honestly when u tried guardian, I thought you were gonna try on the dummy on the left of you... WTF is that range?!

Grab Desert Online.... ridiculous

This is the exact reason why i have a hard time attributeing any form of value or skill to grabclasses in PvP. Ranges of grabs are just wayyyyyyy to damn insane especially paired with movement on certain classes. Keep in mind we ONLY talked about range so far, ontop of that the insanity of archs and movespeed of certain classes. Like come on, warri for example has around a 270° grab arch, awe ranger around 180° and so on. This isnt even where it stops btw. Now we can touch on stuff like: - grabs work on hitscan, the moment you press E and your crosshair is locked, nothing matters on your enemys screen besides Iframes. You can litterly grab into a CC and said grab gets prio all the time. There is no actual "hit" needed like every other cc or skill for that matter. - crosshair lock is aim assisted (its default on and basicly never turned off for any reason). - grabs are desync favored. The amount of time a grab "lands" where one has been 1 sec ago is just nuts. - grabs mostly ignore the vertikal achsis as well as walls (for some wierd reason). - since reboot grabs got consitent buffs. The only ever "nerf" we saw was a bit more CD which done absolutly nothing. - the list goes on but i assue people get the point, no need to spoil all the info. So yeah, i have a very hard time not laughing at failed grabs the moment a player mains a grabclass. It doesnt get easier. At this point missing a grab is harder then to land them, or they just took a risk cause it works most of the time anyway. With that said, the whole "but my grab is short" or "just counter it" are just funny approches from incompetent players.

Crying in sorc main

@deadcai

4 ай бұрын

sorc main typing.

@RacuTW

4 ай бұрын

How to?, if u get grabbed when u are a sorc, u are the problem

the first rule of tamer grab is you do not talk about tamer grab range. the second rule of tamer grab is you do not talk about what we do after missing tamer gram. the third rule of tamer grab is that the class probably needs crucial buffs in multiple other areas and that's all we talk about.

Imagine a world without grab

@Dobidobidapdapdadapdapdarap

4 ай бұрын

END GAME😂

@RacuTW

4 ай бұрын

Will be great ngl

broooooooo the range from guardian...

You cant compare just range for grab and say wow those classes are op. There are animations speed, different cones etc. Testing PvP on a dumb npc its like voting demos.

now imagine if they still had their thumbs.

@Goldsteinburg

4 ай бұрын

typical bobo being offensive and intolerable !

@bobobuddy

4 ай бұрын

I HOPE THEY CHOP OFF THE PINKY NEXT@@Goldsteinburg

When you discovered how absolutely trash succ Ninja's grab range is it made me laugh. Worst grab in the game. Unprotected, enormous hangtime on the whiff animation, shortest range in the game.

@Seiza_InSomnia

4 ай бұрын

I think the problem is not the grab, the problem is that ninja grab is the best in the game because you have 2 d TPs to my back and instant animation for grab, with 0 chances of counterplay and both tp's make you invisible to my eye, one of them with a bit delay baiting my if u do it perfectly... I don't think they should nerf that, but some other things from ninja should be turned down a bit, like the class buff or some skills dmg/AOE.

@lordvaldus839

4 ай бұрын

​@BioRod1000 no cap completely glanced over the fact that you get a free set up for the grab no risk😂😂

@CyberneticArgumentCreator

4 ай бұрын

@@Seiza_InSomnia It's not instant animation, it's the shortest range, slowest melee grab with the longest linger on whiff. And both teleports are basically unusable against a moving opponent. If you think Ninja is in the top 5 pvp classes right now you're high. Its perception is entirely carried by the fact that the only remaining ninja players are OG skillords with 8 years on the class. It makes it seem like the class is better than it is.

@Seiza_InSomnia

4 ай бұрын

@@CyberneticArgumentCreator Ninja is top 5 pvp classes in 1v1 and 1vX small scale, it is and it always has been... It's a really hard class to play and master, but if you learn how to play it well, you have way too many tools to fight 1v1 at succ or 1vX if you play awakening. In small scale pvp, a really good ninja is way better than a really good drakania, or musa, or guardian, or ranger, or whatever class u wanna compare. Ninja kit is just made to fight 1v1 and because of that, is more capable of winning those 1v1. He has one of the best kits for 1v1, one of the best magnus skill, one of the best TP's to your back, one of the best E buffs... But you just need double the hours of training.

@xerenityapexlegends3940

4 ай бұрын

Learn from armin ❌ Complain ☑️

why he didn't test melee grab on sage also xd ranged grab is so buggy

@Goldsteinburg

4 ай бұрын

ngl i ran these tests TWICE on stream and nobody reminded me that sage has a second version of his grab, i guess scholar kind of does too, but tbh this was mostly about range so i dont mind that we missed those versions since they are just close range versions OF ranged grabs

@Aveniz

4 ай бұрын

@@Goldsteinburg well melee grab got bound/ranged grab got floating and it makes kinda huge different when u do combo u must think about it. Also i would say melee grab is more realiable then ranged

Grab range isn't as relevant as grab order since people grabbing already have their head up your ass anyway. Class age(old > new) is an absolute tie breaker.

People complain about Striker but is not easy to Grab

@lordvaldus839

4 ай бұрын

Striker has one of the most Rubberband grabs

They have the best combat system in an mmo but they don’t want us to pvp, adding more and more unbalanced stuff and more classes with instant range grab. Disgraceful.

nerf warrior

guardian grab is not that op, it trash actually