Testing carbon fibre heating wire. (with flame test)

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This is a very unusual heating wire that uses a core of very fine carbon fibre strands encased in a soft rubber sleeve. It has a resistance of about 33 ohms per metre (about 10 ohms a foot) so suitable lengths can be directly powered from the mains supply. Shorter lengths like 1m (40") can be run directly from 12V and will dissipate about 4-5W of heat per metre along the length of the cable.
This material seems to be designed for underfloor heating purposes. Probably laid in a pattern and then screeded over to protect it.
I was trying to work out how to connect it and the only indication I've come across is that you strip it to expose the carbon fibres and then fold them back on the insulation before ramming it into the end of a copper tube. In one image it showed it being crimped too.
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  • @willybee3056
    @willybee30566 жыл бұрын

    Years ago I made a heated motorcycle vest. I used 30 gauge 7 strand Teflon coated wire. I think I remember that 20 feet of wire at 12 volts has 100 watts. So for less than $5 and that price of a vest, I had a $100 vest. During WW2, they used that same technology for heated flight suites.

  • @andrewcurtin7003

    @andrewcurtin7003

    4 жыл бұрын

    Congrats, you've given me a project

  • @Palmit_

    @Palmit_

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@andrewcurtin7003 carbon is conductive.. so carbon tape might be easier and smoother. www.instructables.com/id/DIY-carbon-heated-gloves-1/ kzread.info/dash/bejne/h46Cxs1mc8m0YLg.html

  • @caploader111

    @caploader111

    Жыл бұрын

    I was watching this video trying to find a way to make heated motorcycle gear. Thank you for the comment!

  • @johnpietri2837

    @johnpietri2837

    Жыл бұрын

    @@caploader111 what could you use as a power source? Battery?

  • @caploader111

    @caploader111

    Жыл бұрын

    @@johnpietri2837 12volt power tool battery or the vehicles battery

  • @PIXscotland
    @PIXscotland6 жыл бұрын

    After watching your video I bought some of this. I use it inside a small LiPoSafe battery case to keep batteries warm. I feed 200mA/1.5W through a 1m piece using a constant current supply. The voltage is around 7.3v when doing this. With this power the wire reaches about 15-20C over ambient which is great. In use it generates just enough heat so that the small case stay warm when also inside a camera bag. I also tried using the wire directly across a 2S protected Lipo cell which works great and is more often used. Current starts about 8.4v/230mA/2W and drops off from there. The battery protection providing a safe cut-off when needed. The advantage with this is it's just a wire and a battery. No extra stuff to go wrong. Running off a 3S Lipo pack the power is 12.6v/350mA/4.5w which brings the temperature up to about 40-45C above ambient. I terminated my wire by soldering a wire to a diode's leg off-cut and pushing it down the insulation tube. Tightening the sleeve with a cable tie made the connection pretty solid. I covered over the ends with two-part Epoxy. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. Added more in response to someone below... Just did a quick test: 1M of filament tested at a room temperature of 20C. 4 turns of filament looped about 8cm diameter sitting on the desk in open air. K-Type thermocouple taped to the wire. Voltage/Current/Wattage/TemperatureRise: 8.4v/230mA/2W/+20c 12.6v/350mA/4.5w/+35c 20v/590mA/11W/+85c 25v/750mA/19W/+125c Started to smoke slightly. Maybe was my heatshrink giving up. :-) 32v/1A/32W/+ 170C... Yeah. Unhappy heatshrink was smoking nicely.

  • @harriejansen410

    @harriejansen410

    3 жыл бұрын

    Can you tell me how did you install it in 12volt ?

  • @cherylm2C6671

    @cherylm2C6671

    3 жыл бұрын

    Good Day, PIX, and Thank You for your reply to Big Clive. I am experimenting wih CF and your posting contains some very necessary information I am happy to keep handy going forward. No more Grenfells.

  • @nomadsurvival4952

    @nomadsurvival4952

    3 жыл бұрын

    I am using shorter bits but hooking them up to a 12 volt thermometer regulator thingy set at low 15c and high 25c as temps here get as low as -30c

  • @carlodavid3493

    @carlodavid3493

    3 жыл бұрын

    can i have your reference or formula how you compute these different temperature?

  • @PIXscotland

    @PIXscotland

    3 жыл бұрын

    All I did was set an external power supply over the test cable and measure the power drawn. I don't have any more details at this stage as it was all done so long ago.

  • @DRCHUCKWRIGHTMD
    @DRCHUCKWRIGHTMD6 жыл бұрын

    As a physician and now patient, I love your analogy of the lung being like a capacitor in that it requires large immense surface area for gas exchange equivalent to charge. That is "Brilliant"...Thanks Clive.

  • @nexaentertainment2764

    @nexaentertainment2764

    6 жыл бұрын

    Air filters also work. Your car uses a folded up air filter to get more surface area, because the folds and bumps increase surface area (which is a good thing for a filter). If it was just a round sheet, it wouldn't be nearly as efficient or long lasting. Same with sponges. All the pores and space inside increase the surface area and ability to hold water.

  • @SuperAWaC

    @SuperAWaC

    6 жыл бұрын

    air filters are a poor anaology because air filters work better as they get clogged until they reach a critical point... it's part of the design of air filters. lungs on the other hand never work better as they get clogged.

  • @LeifNelandDk

    @LeifNelandDk

    6 жыл бұрын

    The analogy would be the nose which filters better if it is filled with a little fluid snot ;-)

  • @petermcarthur7450
    @petermcarthur74506 жыл бұрын

    "Your lungs are the biological equivalent of a supercapacitor." 🤣 Stay techie, Clive. Stay techie.

  • @beedslolkuntus2070

    @beedslolkuntus2070

    6 жыл бұрын

    Peter McArthur and u stay fucky

  • @alklazaris3741
    @alklazaris37416 жыл бұрын

    I just started watching this channel. I love it! It's like box unwraps except with things actually interesting.

  • @jaredmaxwell2678
    @jaredmaxwell26786 жыл бұрын

    " Should I be breathing this in?" *Inhales deeply*

  • @kojicesmikurac
    @kojicesmikurac5 жыл бұрын

    Lets say you want to put this cable in a house of 100 m2. If you make a distance between the cables 10cm, you would need 1000m of this cable. Lets say I want to run it on 4w per meter. I expect with 4w the cable would be 30°C. And if you spread it with 10cm, the tile would be around 20°C. If 1000m of this cable is heating, that would be 4w×1000m=4kW If you run this 5 hours a day for a month, its 4kWh×5h×30d=600kWh If 1kWh is 0.20 euro cent. That would be 120 euro a month. But you probably dont have to heat up the whole house for 5 hours every day. Benefit of Infrared heating is that you only have to turn in on in the room you are in, so lets say we are warming up 25m2 for 5 hours. That would be only 30 euro a month. Dont forget, you need to set this cable up in a parallel connection. To make it 4w per meter, it needs to be 20m. So you need multiple cables of 20m setup in parallel connection. W/meter=U×U÷(m×Ohm)÷m =230V×230V÷(20m×33Ohm):20m = 4w per meter

  • @teardowndan5364
    @teardowndan53646 жыл бұрын

    Flammability test, you light the bottom and see if the flame propagates up after heat is removed. To pass the test, it must self-extinguish within seconds of the external heat source being removed. That cable looks like a flammability fail as it sustained a flame for far too long despite being held horizontally instead of vertically.

  • @Avantime

    @Avantime

    6 жыл бұрын

    Your comment kinda reminds me of Grenfell tower.

  • @willrobbinson

    @willrobbinson

    6 жыл бұрын

    thinking the same , should have had it vertical so it would preheat it self & kept burning (i think it would have)

  • @sanderd17

    @sanderd17

    6 жыл бұрын

    Teardown Dan, indeed, looks as self extinguishing like a match.

  • @johnfrancisdoe1563

    @johnfrancisdoe1563

    6 жыл бұрын

    Teardown Dan His was obviously not the official lab test. Anyway, most regulations require stuff to self-extinguish in a certain number of seconds (like 30s), while other regulations demand they use the minimum possible amount of potentially toxic flame-retardent ingredients. So materials like this wire are usually manufactured at exactly the maximum permitted flammability.

  • @teardowndan5364

    @teardowndan5364

    6 жыл бұрын

    @John 94V-0 is by far the most common flammability standard in electrical applications worldwide and for that one, the sample burns vertically from the bottom and must put itself out within 10 seconds from removing external heat. That wire might be 94HB (horizontal burn) at best. I suppose that's kind of acceptable considering that it is meant to be put in cement/concrete floors where compatibility with concrete may be a greater concern than flammability.

  • @georgestewart5879
    @georgestewart58796 жыл бұрын

    Great video Clive, you always find such interesting stuff. Had not seen this wire before but looks like it has some possibilities. Thanks Clive.

  • @memylastname9972
    @memylastname99724 жыл бұрын

    Terminating is done by window stripping the end, as you do with litz wire, then wind a single strand of wire around the bunch of fibres. The excess can now be clipped off and the smaller ferrule slipped on and crimped. Although you don't normally do it, I crimp the plastic part of the ferrule as well. Thanks for the great Vids BTW.

  • @angusmclean4783
    @angusmclean47834 жыл бұрын

    Although this is an "old" video, I just wanted to share that I have had good results terminating this carbon fibre cable with "Wago 222 Style" connectors on 12v DC. (A lot easier than ferrule crimping, and reusable if needed). The Wagos are good for connecting fairly short lengths in parallel to get good heating on 12v. (Heated car seats, cold morning windscreen defrosting (place over the windscreen air vent of a cold engine with the fan running, etc.)

  • @Wallyskat
    @Wallyskat6 жыл бұрын

    Well, this just cost me about $30 for six jaw crimper and ferrule assortment pack. Between Big Clive's videos and the machinist videos I watch, I manage to stay pretty well broke every month.

  • @ichemnutcracker
    @ichemnutcracker3 жыл бұрын

    I love how intellectually stimulating your channel is!

  • @channelsixtysix066
    @channelsixtysix0662 жыл бұрын

    Excellent demonstration of handling techniques with a hazardous material. Thanks, Clive.

  • @charmio
    @charmio6 жыл бұрын

    I love unusual heating elements! I for one would love to see your take on other heating tech if you come across something during your online escapades :)

  • @alanpartridge2140
    @alanpartridge21406 жыл бұрын

    The difference between fibreglass and asbestos is the glass fibres break laterally so their length decreases whereas the asbestos fibres split longitudinally.

  • @k1lmo

    @k1lmo

    6 жыл бұрын

    Alan Partridge and therefore considered a non respiratory risk

  • @alanpartridge2140

    @alanpartridge2140

    6 жыл бұрын

    I'd say it's a considerably lower health risk but I still wouldn't recommend inhaling a load of glass fibre just like I wouldn't recommend inhaling iron fillings or sawdust.

  • @NoName-bt3oy

    @NoName-bt3oy

    6 жыл бұрын

    Ah ha!

  • @rubusroo68

    @rubusroo68

    6 жыл бұрын

    Alan Partridge Ah ha!

  • @Toobula

    @Toobula

    3 жыл бұрын

    I heard one researcher report that they were able to induce lung cancer in rats from fiberglass but they basically had to "pack the rat with the stuff".

  • @namespacetoosmall
    @namespacetoosmall6 жыл бұрын

    Amateur astronomers sometimes use wire like this to warm up optics that are exposed to the night sky ever so slightly, to keep them from dewing up and obscuring the view. But those tend to run at 12V, only a couple of watts/m, because you don't want to have too much heat, which would cause turbulence.

  • @TheFurriestOne
    @TheFurriestOne6 жыл бұрын

    Neat stuff! Fun seeing materials that were hot new future stuff some years back being put to somewhat mundane uses.

  • @hydrogen18
    @hydrogen186 жыл бұрын

    So that is what all that weird wire I have is! Thanks for teaching me Big Clive!

  • @ADKAdmin
    @ADKAdmin6 жыл бұрын

    Interesting stuff. Awesome video!

  • @wolvenar
    @wolvenar6 жыл бұрын

    This reminds me of how carbon spark plug wires are connected. I have seen various methods but most oftern the carbon fibers are folded back over the insulation and the metal crimp ends crimped over both.

  • @Liamtronix
    @Liamtronix6 жыл бұрын

    I've read that silver glue is good for terminating carbon heating ropes. I also came across a rather unusual carbon glue, which seems to be very fine graphite particles suspended in a water-soluble adhesive. I have some carbon fibre strips (about 15mm wide, 1m long) and the carbon glue and silver glue both work great for connecting the carbon fibre strip to a copper wire or bus bar.

  • @wptk999

    @wptk999

    6 жыл бұрын

    DangerousAndAwesome

  • @b.lonewolf417

    @b.lonewolf417

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for posting this. I am intrigued by this idea, as there seems to be practically NO information on the Internet about terminating these cables. (Or, perhaps I have not yet divined the right search phrase...) In any event, your idea seems to have potential. I presume these glues are electrically conductive, so I suppose my next big concern would be their heat tolerance, but I will look more into it myself. Thanks again!

  • @cherylm2C6671
    @cherylm2C66713 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for posting this video, along with the circuit readings! Regarding exo-wear technology - In space (North Dakota) no one can hear you freeze. I am experimenting with different 'strands' of carbon filament. Thank you again for your videos!

  • @tiger12506
    @tiger125066 жыл бұрын

    I'm pretty sure I've seen matches self extinguish faster than that insulation did.

  • @cherylm2C6671

    @cherylm2C6671

    3 жыл бұрын

    That WAS scary.

  • @U014B

    @U014B

    3 жыл бұрын

    I've seen house fires self-extinguish faster than that.

  • @mfanto1
    @mfanto16 жыл бұрын

    Heating up the bath tub so the water doesn't go cold so fast

  • @JETJOOBOY

    @JETJOOBOY

    6 жыл бұрын

    mfanto1 I have a design for a heated bathtub...

  • @ksdfjsadjkflksjf

    @ksdfjsadjkflksjf

    6 жыл бұрын

    What about heating the bathtub with mains voltage electrodes?

  • @raykent3211

    @raykent3211

    6 жыл бұрын

    mfanto1 I wanted to have no mains in my bathroom. The lights are all 12V, then I remembered P=VI, so a 1200W heater needs 100 amps..... rather thick cable!

  • @hockeyguy820

    @hockeyguy820

    6 жыл бұрын

    Just drop a running toaster in the water. Problem solved.

  • @fun_ghoul

    @fun_ghoul

    6 жыл бұрын

    _"What about heating the bathtub with mains voltage electrodes?"_ Sounds reasonable. Try it and report back here.

  • @lostjohnny9000
    @lostjohnny90006 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for this episode of inspiration and answering the obvious Q+As. Your suggestions for making it safe to use earns you 10/10! Trying to learn racing quads at the moment on the Costa del UK. Great but less if you are freezing. Since the pilots already strap on a large 3s lipo to power their FPV goggles, a nice pair of heated gloves under 5W would be an easy hack. We also suffer from cold lipos. Using a lipo below 10 Deg C can cause permanent damage to cells. Racing packs are not cheap.

  • @lostjohnny9000

    @lostjohnny9000

    6 жыл бұрын

    Looks like Fanny Flambeau LTD have already made a recharchable muff warmer. www.flambeauoutdoors.com/Heated-Gear/Hand-Muff. Have I missed any ladypart euphemisms?

  • @hobbit321a
    @hobbit321a6 жыл бұрын

    thanks i am getting some to make a foot warmer for my wife's favorite chair you came up with a great solution thanks again

  • @str33tb1k3r
    @str33tb1k3r6 жыл бұрын

    We love you Big "C"!

  • @ChongMcBong
    @ChongMcBong6 жыл бұрын

    individual carbon fibre strands make a good bang if they float away and end up in a 240V socket :)

  • @Zenodilodon

    @Zenodilodon

    5 жыл бұрын

    Fine magnet wire scattered about does well on 120 socket.

  • @cherylm2C6671

    @cherylm2C6671

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the warning!

  • @genevasimmonds8208
    @genevasimmonds82083 жыл бұрын

    ive worked with that stuff, on refrigeration cabinets , in door trims and sills, used to stop condensation, on freezers and chillers.

  • @JUANKERR2000
    @JUANKERR20006 жыл бұрын

    Fascinating! A doubled length of this stuff in the condensate drainpipe of a condensing boiler, fed from a 12 or 24 volt thermostatically controlled PSU would prevent freezing of the drainpipe and alleviate a common problem with this type of boiler in winter.

  • @tammmacdonald7723
    @tammmacdonald77236 жыл бұрын

    Another fascinating video Clive. You may be interested to know that there is carbon cement available. I think it’s epoxy based with carbon nanotubes mixed in. It is used to bond carbon fibre panels together in the aviation industry where we need a conducting joint for lightning protection and static charge dissipation. Perhaps it could be used in a ferrule to join the fragile fibre. Just a thought.

  • @Godshole
    @Godshole6 жыл бұрын

    Reminds me of the 'Nightmare decorators of Lairg'. The 'Big house' I once caretook had booked them to plaster scollop the ceiling and wallpaper the living room and, as ever, they arrived at the very last minute to do the job, rushed it, threw plaster and wallpaper paste EVERYWHERE and left the night before the owners were due. So I had to pull an all nighter to get the place clean and ready for the owner. Every door handle, toilet pull, light switch, window handle and trapes up and down the stairs, even in the fridge? I had to clean and scrape off plaster and hard set glue. The windows were splattered and the dust from the plaster mixing was everywhere. They had clearly mixed in every single room for some reason.... BUT the thing that really really pissed me off is they had found a roll of mains cable and the box of plugs and sockets which the 'Mannie' had asked me to make up various extension leads with after this visit and he had told me where they were for. They had found that, put a plug on one end and a socket on the other then run a fan heater with to fast dry the plaster and wallpaper while the most of it was still coiled up. Two thirds of the roll just melted together like you describe and ended up in the bin. Bastards!

  • @jaredkennedy6576
    @jaredkennedy65764 жыл бұрын

    Looks like a great way to make the heated seats I want on my truck. That's one vehicle feature that once you've had it you need it on every one after.

  • @supersaverbcn3158
    @supersaverbcn31582 жыл бұрын

    Brilliant testing, thank you

  • @southjerseysound7340
    @southjerseysound73406 жыл бұрын

    For terminations we used to use a crimp that was similar to how you would make custom high performance spark plug wires.You would strip it and fold it back onto the rubber coating and the crimp went on top of that.It's tough to explain but if you've ever pulled a plug wire apart you'd understand.

  • @petermorgan679
    @petermorgan6795 жыл бұрын

    I installed a 750 square foot floor with ceramic tile on top of this heating wire, stuff is very tough. Wonderful floor, low cost, very happy !

  • @brianbishop205

    @brianbishop205

    4 жыл бұрын

    so how many feet of wire per sq. ft./ or what was average spacing between passes? what are you using for power supply / thermostat? how many feet of unbroken wire vs. parallel installations? What kind of termination technology to cold wire did you use? Does anyone have a detail for installing this under click floor without screed or thinset although that could be the best for heat transfer, but I've also seen putative details with reflective layer under the cable, e.g. aluminum foil, and poly sheet over it and click floor directly but the cable is about an 1/8" thick so i don't know how it managed the load and if there are enough passes and the flooring runs perpendicular to those passes, perhaps that is still a simple and functional install. how did you hold the cable down before screed and tile were placed?

  • @bdot02
    @bdot026 жыл бұрын

    I did a ride along with a fire department for a shift and I learned that people used to put this sort of heating system in their ceilings. I don't remember why people thought you should heat from the ceiling down but I do remember them explaining how much of a hazard those systems are.

  • @Basement-Science

    @Basement-Science

    6 жыл бұрын

    I think its mostly done because it´s easy to install later on, and still better than the classic radiator.

  • @dashcamandy2242

    @dashcamandy2242

    6 жыл бұрын

    My uncle used to live in an apartment complex (built in the 1990s) that had ceiling-heated units. He was on the 2nd floor, and I remember during a blizzard he had every window open and was walking around with no shirt on because it was over 80 degrees and the downstairs tenant was suffering from her unit in the 50s. Epic fail on the builders, it would have been more efficient for the first floor units to have electric baseboard heat instead. On the up side, he never had to turn on his heat, ever, while he lived there.

  • @zoomzabba452

    @zoomzabba452

    6 жыл бұрын

    We had a home with the 120v in ceiling radiant heat. It had previously been added during a large extension project (in the 70's) as well as the requisite ceiling fans to help. It was only helpful when the wood stove couldn't keep up with -12F and leaking windows.

  • @ABaumstumpf

    @ABaumstumpf

    6 жыл бұрын

    And here i am trying to persuade my sister that her idea of installing ceiling-heating is retarded but she won't listen. (No, not in an old building - they are currently building a new house)

  • @bdot02

    @bdot02

    6 жыл бұрын

    +ABaumstumpf I'd show her what +DashCamAndy said, I think he's got the best story of the rest of us

  • @pr0xZen
    @pr0xZen3 жыл бұрын

    I live in the arctic. The big extra high beam lights on my car has a lip on the frame around the outer glass, where snow and ice will stick. Won't stick to the glass much, but it collects down in that lip, and then builds up while driving until it covers the whole glass. Not a lot of heat to go around, with a 35w HID bulb and a 8" wind-chiled glass surface. I got some 14 ohm/m of this stuff, wrapped 2 parallel lengths of this inside the bezel frame, and hot glued it in place. Heats up that troublesome lip with about 30 watts total, now the snow and ice melt before it has a chance to build.

  • @skarlac
    @skarlac3 жыл бұрын

    A year or so ago I took apart a broken portable air purifier (not mine) intended to be kept in your car, and it had a potted box with what I now realize was carbon fiber strands in a rubber sleeve coming out of it - thanks for solving that mystery. I thought it must be generating high voltages inside the potting, presumably for ozone generation, but I couldn't figure how the plastic-like brush was helpful.

  • @bigclivedotcom

    @bigclivedotcom

    3 жыл бұрын

    It's commonly used with Ionisers now. It's a perfect emitter.

  • @JUANKERR2000
    @JUANKERR20006 жыл бұрын

    An easy way to test for emergent fibres would be to immerse the coil, apart from the ends, in a metal bowl of salty water and checking for continuity between the bowl and the ends.

  • @gradyj3827
    @gradyj38276 жыл бұрын

    Would this be good for DIY heated seats? Most vehicles usually only have low or high. Is this just turning on and off additional strands or varying the voltage?

  • @zx8401ztv
    @zx8401ztv6 жыл бұрын

    Sounds like the sort of stuff you wrap around water pipes to prevent freezing, interesting cord, there must be many uses for it :-D

  • @andrewchurchley5705
    @andrewchurchley57056 жыл бұрын

    The crimper is obviously a fast and conveniently used tool for terminating this wire. I imagine an optimal crimper would exert crushing force at the tip. Moving further back along the fibres, the force would decrease progressively down to next to nothing. Tapering serrated jaws would do it, if you see what I mean. At some point along the crimp, the force would be optimal. Great demonstration of a new product; thanks.

  • @ymmvmeuk
    @ymmvmeuk6 жыл бұрын

    How toasty did your ferrule terminations get in the HOPI? Thanks, Clive, I hadn't spotted this stuff, but now know what my next camping heated blanket will be made with!

  • @emilee172
    @emilee1725 жыл бұрын

    in the snow country frozen pipes come to mind and this would seem like a good way to just keep it warm enough to keep from freezing along with that wonderful temp control unit you found so accurate and easy to use (not) lol

  • @MatadorNN
    @MatadorNN4 жыл бұрын

    Good speach. I enjoyed your English =) Thanks

  • @operator8014
    @operator80146 жыл бұрын

    Hmmm. How much flexing and bending will this stuff put up with before the internal strands are too broken up to keep working? It seems like some ridiculously useful stuff if it can survive some usage.

  • @captainboing
    @captainboing6 жыл бұрын

    Just wrapped a 2m tape looked like made from four strands of this stuff round a pipe in my garage. Burst in the cold second time in ten years. Will eventually link up to a thermo-controller but for now is on a timer, on 15 mins in every hour... same colour too.

  • @theradiomechanic9625
    @theradiomechanic96256 жыл бұрын

    Use a ferule with a sleeve that fits the insulation, strip enough conductor to double it over to fill up the metal of the ferule, then crimp. Works like a charm.

  • @almostanengineer
    @almostanengineer6 жыл бұрын

    I love it when you go off on a tangent XD

  • @JamesThorWolf
    @JamesThorWolf6 жыл бұрын

    Over here in the US that’s the wire used in heated tile floors, it’s run off a separate breaker and circuitry to run since it’s put down and looped every 4 or so inches into a big heated pad

  • @TheNuclearPinball
    @TheNuclearPinball6 жыл бұрын

    Hi Clive I was wondering with Ozone generators if you can use them to remove the smell from towels. Like if you put them in a zip-lock and let it "soak" for a while. I also wonder if it would bleach them well

  • @bigclivedotcom

    @bigclivedotcom

    6 жыл бұрын

    There are commercial laundry systems that do that. They either tumble clothing in ozonated air or diffuse it through the water as an alternative to detergent.

  • @daniellassander
    @daniellassander6 жыл бұрын

    Have you tried to solder it? You could also test for stray strands poking through by immersing it in salted water or another conductive liquid while running a voltage across it and measure any conductivity to the water/liquid.

  • @motoktips3024

    @motoktips3024

    6 жыл бұрын

    Daniel Lassander carbon doesn't solder.

  • @joinedupjon

    @joinedupjon

    6 жыл бұрын

    IIRC immersion in salty water and testing the conductivity is how they electronically test condoms

  • @brothyr
    @brothyr6 жыл бұрын

    let's say this was wound into a spiral just bigger than the size of a coffee mug. Would it keep it hot and would this be as hot at 125V ?

  • @jply87
    @jply876 жыл бұрын

    I use a very similar product in commercial grocery store equipment. Door frames of frozen food cases. Heater for glass on display cases. Door frames on walk in boxes. Stores have MILES of this heater. The normal failure point is at the crimp connection to the copper wire. The wire we use is white. Fiberglass core. It was my understanding the it is the wire wrapped around the fiber core that is what heats up.

  • @bigclivedotcom

    @bigclivedotcom

    6 жыл бұрын

    We used to use that with Hussmann too. There were massive toroidal transformers on top of the cases that caused inrush current problems.

  • @mensor
    @mensor6 жыл бұрын

    9 degrees ambient, love it!

  • @Morninglowe
    @Morninglowe6 жыл бұрын

    Silicone jacket! I work with silicone and it turns back into sand when burned. The smoke is a bit of a thing with burning silicone.

  • @bethb7455
    @bethb74553 жыл бұрын

    I want to use this to heat my puppy whelping box is it safe? It would be on 24/7 as puppies can’t regulate their temp. I also want to put a thermostat on it. Any advice on how to do this, what products I’ll need and where I can to get them? Any help would be greatly appreciated!

  • @Newtown-Orchard
    @Newtown-Orchard2 жыл бұрын

    I want to use wire like this to make a heat pad for seed starts. I have a thermostat, but I don't know how to power it. Can you give me a suggestion?

  • @marvinloka1246
    @marvinloka12464 жыл бұрын

    Hello What type of heater you think is most suitable for incubator?

  • @Core5
    @Core56 жыл бұрын

    I have carbon fiber heating material like this but in ribbon form. It's near stuff, I used it for dew heating straps for a telescope. Also I checked the resistance with your meter's values and basic Ohm's law, and sure enough resistance was ~669 ohms.

  • @Dunken_Donut
    @Dunken_Donut2 жыл бұрын

    14:35 "CLIVE YOU'RE A PLUM!" hahaha That had me laughing so hard!lol

  • @MajenkoTechnologies
    @MajenkoTechnologies6 жыл бұрын

    Clive, you plum!!!

  • @mr1jon1smith
    @mr1jon1smith6 жыл бұрын

    This wire is used for heating plants when they are small.(seedlings) there is also a thermoregulator for them. I think the carbon core is quite well insulated if it can be used in such wet environments.

  • @andiyladdie3188
    @andiyladdie31886 жыл бұрын

    Interesting material indeed !

  • @topherteardowns4679
    @topherteardowns46796 жыл бұрын

    nibble gently could you not do an ohm reading after the crimp to determine damage?

  • @shimmerite_ua
    @shimmerite_ua6 жыл бұрын

    By the type of combustion and that white ash, I can say that this insulation is 100% silicone polymer. By the way, its redish-brown colour is quite similar to heat resistant silicone gasket material for automobiles

  • @yangtse55

    @yangtse55

    6 жыл бұрын

    That's very naughty since they're claiming it's PTFE. I've ordered 20 metres of it though and will make sure I have secondary fire protection since I won't be embedding it in concrete ...

  • @ghostridergr8259
    @ghostridergr82592 жыл бұрын

    i put it on nozzle pipe of my oil burner... its about 60c do you thing is ok? the material is good?

  • @lrastus6692
    @lrastus66926 жыл бұрын

    i do not know if this has been covered in the comments ... the white powder created from burning silicon based elastomers is basically silicon dioxide .

  • @robstirling3173
    @robstirling31736 жыл бұрын

    The old '60's Ford carbon impregnated string ignition leads used a spike wire to connect the terminations.

  • @xwafflesx
    @xwafflesx5 жыл бұрын

    Could this be used at 12v dc? Edit: it got to that part of the video just as I pressed submit.

  • @kissingfrogs
    @kissingfrogs6 жыл бұрын

    Always thought it was induced currents that caused thermal runaway of coiled cable plus as Clive said it can not dissipate the heat. Curious if the power reading would drop if the coil was uncoiled a bit.

  • @bigclivedotcom

    @bigclivedotcom

    6 жыл бұрын

    It's purely resistive heat in coiled flex. The current flowing both ways in the live/neutral cancel out any induction effects.

  • @kissingfrogs

    @kissingfrogs

    6 жыл бұрын

    Good to know. Thanks

  • @JerryEricsson
    @JerryEricsson5 жыл бұрын

    Man I could sure see some use for that in our RV which has both 12 volt and 220/110 circuits. Warming the water inlet area in freezing weather could really make winter camping much more do'able. Wish I was in good enough shape to get some of that stuff and add it to our RV. Ah well, perhaps in my next life.

  • @winniewotsit4452
    @winniewotsit44523 жыл бұрын

    Good job Clive - there will almost certainly be tailor made crimps for this cabling - as there are for the various types of optical fibre cables and coax. Where the hell did you get that pin crimp tool though? A serious piece of kit!! It appeared to do a good job. The cable looks kosher...

  • @nubie1100
    @nubie11005 жыл бұрын

    Was thinking of buying some of this and a voltage regulator to make something to go under the dogs beds in the kitchen through the winter as it's all tiled and gets a little cold.... Normally we use one of them little electric oil radiator things. Would it be a good idea to go with the wire?

  • @bigclivedotcom

    @bigclivedotcom

    5 жыл бұрын

    You do get heated mats. Just make sure there's no risk of the dogs chewing them.

  • @crazygeorgelincoln
    @crazygeorgelincoln6 жыл бұрын

    I like your crimping tool. I personally have safety concerns about the vast amount of mdf that is used today. That looks like a affordable heating solution, my friend had electric underfloor heating fitted, and it had a bunch of control gear , Magical thermostat and timers on a lcd screen and a manual that would be lost in a fortnight., The guy fitting it avoided my question when i asked could would wireing the stuff to a plug work. . 👍

  • @AThreeDogNight
    @AThreeDogNight6 жыл бұрын

    I think this might have been what was used many years ago in a pipe wrap, to prevent pipes from freezing up in the winter you just had to remember to plug it in on those below 32 degree days. Of coarse all modern pipes & tubing does not require that any longer, Thank God, hated crawling under floors to thaw old pipes out, usually old galvanized piping.

  • @devinrobinson415
    @devinrobinson4154 жыл бұрын

    Totally can relate to the "insulation cloud" with regard to past construction work, and yes, quite unpleasant. I think back and am thankful my lungs were troopers during adversity!!

  • @JulianMakes
    @JulianMakes Жыл бұрын

    hi clive great video. How would you vary or reduce the heat output of this if it had a fixed length of say 10m while reducing the power used? cheers o/

  • @bigclivedotcom

    @bigclivedotcom

    Жыл бұрын

    I'm not sure what the power output at 10m would be. Depending on the heat required it may be viable to add a capacitor in series or a diode for half wave to halve the power.

  • @JulianMakes

    @JulianMakes

    Жыл бұрын

    @@bigclivedotcom thank you so much!

  • @MrTarmonbarry
    @MrTarmonbarry3 жыл бұрын

    Maybe useful if you have oil fired central heating and a long run from tank to boiler . Wind this around the pipe , wrap in insulation and stop the oil from waxing up. Similar idea could be used for an outdoor water pipe to a garage , workshop or stables

  • @computernerdinside
    @computernerdinside5 жыл бұрын

    Not on your website. Where can I get a mains quick test?

  • @gregorythomas333
    @gregorythomas3336 жыл бұрын

    Can I suggest an experiment with the CFW to an ionizer? I would like to see the results.

  • @aopstoar4842
    @aopstoar48426 жыл бұрын

    Does there exist a freely available voltage drop table for different lengths of wire? I tried to start a motorcycle with a helper battery but the wires were to long from the secondary battery to the original battery which made the resistance to large for it to benefit in the starting process. If I know what voltage I need at the start of the cable to get a desired voltage at the end of the wire I can reverse instead of forward engineer my circuit.

  • @bigclivedotcom

    @bigclivedotcom

    6 жыл бұрын

    The electrical industry does have charts for calculating voltage drop versus current and length for specific cables.

  • @neila9251
    @neila92514 жыл бұрын

    I have bought some of this and the instructions (pictorial) show folding the carbon fibre back on the sheathing on the two pieces to be joined then sliding the ferule over the joint and crimping. Its not clear on a carbon fibre to copper join. I wouls appreciate any comments or help on this as I am nearly ready to instal on a small bathroom!

  • @bigclivedotcom

    @bigclivedotcom

    4 жыл бұрын

    I'd suggest making sure that you leave plenty of spare for retermination. Also make sure that there's a working RCD to protect against electrical leakage, as you're using product of unknown safety standards.

  • @rollandelliott
    @rollandelliott2 жыл бұрын

    so would you recommend this for heating up a wood laminate? or only tile? the ebay seller had this info: Product power calculation: (voltage × voltage) ÷ (resistance × length) = power For example: 12K carbon fiber 10 meters length (per metre 12K 33 ohms, 24K18.5 ohms) 220V × 220V ÷ (10 meters × 33 ohms) = 150 watts For example: 24K carbon fiber 10 meters length 220V × 220V ÷ (10 meters × 18.5 ohms) = 261 watts The above data shows that the longer the length of the heater wre is, the smaller the power of the heater wire is. (The product temperature is subject to actual use.) Multiple heating lines can be used in parallel, so that the power is increased! Length: (custom, recommendation of not less than 10 meters) 12K recommended to use 10-15 meters (12k outer diameter 2.0MM) power 150W-100W 24K recommended to use 10-14 meters (24k outer diameter 2.2MM) power 280W-200W Note: The heating wires can't overlap when they are used, and they can't cross. The overlapping overlap will make the local temperature of the heating wire higher than the melting point of the protective layer, and the temperature will be too high to burn the heating wire sheath.

  • @bigclivedotcom

    @bigclivedotcom

    2 жыл бұрын

    I'd be cautious about using something like this in a practical installation. It would be better to use a locally sourced and compliant system.

  • @Voiceguitar
    @Voiceguitar4 жыл бұрын

    @bigclivedotcom I am searching for some carbon heating wire to sew into my motorcycle jacket. Can you recommend something good for 12 volts?

  • @bigclivedotcom

    @bigclivedotcom

    4 жыл бұрын

    This stuff would work, but you'd have to experiment with length and heat. You may also be able to find flat heat panels made from spun carbon fibre in a plastic lamination.

  • @wbfaulk
    @wbfaulk2 жыл бұрын

    Breathing fiberglass is reasonably well studied. It can lead to "silicosis". I don't know how well carbon fiber has been studied for this, but I wouldn't be surprised if the relatively pure carbon is far more biocompatible than silicon dioxide. That's purely a guess, though.

  • @jslay88
    @jslay886 жыл бұрын

    I wonder if that would be good to use in jackets, blankets, comforters, the like.

  • @LeifNelandDk
    @LeifNelandDk6 жыл бұрын

    You could wrap it around exposed waterpipes (and wrap insulation around the whole thing) to keep away the frost. (I had two brakages this winter; it's the bends and tabs which break, not the pipes themselves)

  • @PaxtonSanders
    @PaxtonSanders6 жыл бұрын

    I love all the inshulashun talk.

  • @agvulpine
    @agvulpine5 жыл бұрын

    I didn't catch the optimum or maximum current that should be applied to a length of this stuff. That is, what are the ideal and minimum cut lengths for 120 and 240 volts, if your goal is to produce good-to-maximum heat per meter of material without starting a fire?

  • @bigclivedotcom

    @bigclivedotcom

    5 жыл бұрын

    It's really just for low level heat. I wouldn't recommend running it too hot.

  • @FurrBeard
    @FurrBeard6 жыл бұрын

    Wow, those are really fine carbon filaments...! I've seen various things like heated garments that say they use carbon heating elements - I wonder what form that takes if fibers like this are brittle - in a garment, the heating elements would have to deal with a lot of flexing, and I'm not sure the pad material from the cheap heated fingerless gloves you showed in an earlier video would work for something like a jacket.

  • @mfanto1
    @mfanto16 жыл бұрын

    Is it safe for aquarium use

  • @hairycat6095
    @hairycat60956 жыл бұрын

    i insulated houses in the 80's blowing fiberglass through a 3" hose , i was very pretty sparkling in the sunlight.

  • @NicolasBana

    @NicolasBana

    6 жыл бұрын

    Didn't you always end up with rashes ? -I can't look at it- I can't even think about it without scratching myself

  • @hairycat6095

    @hairycat6095

    6 жыл бұрын

    no, for some reason it doesn't bother me too much.i have also used mineral wool that stuff is bad. if you get itchy from fiberglass throw a hand full of salt in a hot bath for some reason it works

  • @Kalanchoe1

    @Kalanchoe1

    6 жыл бұрын

    i respect that

  • @nexaentertainment2764

    @nexaentertainment2764

    6 жыл бұрын

    Oh my god... How was the itching? I played with the stuff as a kid once and it was a week of itchy hell.

  • @SpydersByte

    @SpydersByte

    6 жыл бұрын

    @Space Core ugh I used to work with fiberglass piping and insulation and the dust from either would make me so goddamn itchy I'd scratch myself bloody. I'm glad I'm nowhere near that industry anymore.

  • @jakewilkes7610
    @jakewilkes76106 жыл бұрын

    I agree about the fiberglass

  • @SomeMorganSomewhere
    @SomeMorganSomewhere6 жыл бұрын

    Excellent candidate for "brew belts" (heating belts you wrap around your fermenter to keep them warm)

  • @andrewevanjohn1482
    @andrewevanjohn14823 жыл бұрын

    Can you tear down an electric heating blanket controller? I’m curious how the stepped heat levels how are achieved. Tis the season!

  • @annverleedowns311
    @annverleedowns3115 жыл бұрын

    In commercial cooking systems we use this same carbon heater style in ribbons ,pads ,cables etc. Most are 24v ac and 110/120 v ac generally used on vat fryers ( French fry cookers and chicken products occasionally hands feet x wife's head the usual ) to keep oil lines , pumps etc... warm so they move artery clogging fluids for when oh I don't actually filter there once was cooking oil as opposed to the sludge that is smoking in there vat ( yes I do a lot of fast was food places and no I don't eat anything that comes out of them ) . They are also starting to show up in refrigeration . The connections are generally a heat bonded/Vulcan process from the carbon to a high temp silicone/silver wire pigtail lookup frymaster heating cable or pitco www.partstown.com or similar . I have a large one I use in the winter for my van seat and run it from a inverter ( Nebraska actually does get cold and I'm old. mother found me under the refrigerator in may of 1959 she said the milk man put me there)

  • @sebastianwatts7721
    @sebastianwatts77215 жыл бұрын

    BigClive Did you make that Hopi or buy it? It looks suspiciously like the case off a TDR - TL260 If you bought it, where can I obtain one?

  • @bigclivedotcom

    @bigclivedotcom

    5 жыл бұрын

    I bought this one on eBay.

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