So what have your experiences been with fast charging? Be sure to check out Tesla vs. Competition - 5 Advantages: kzread.info/dash/bejne/f62atK9sipbcZrw.html

@markplott4820

3 жыл бұрын

Hi, Matt . I think what you need to Realize is the USA is behind is its HOME Charger Infrastructure. in America we top out at 240v for most homes , some homes have Upgraded to J1772 3 - Phase but are RARE. MOST of Europe have Intergrated 480v / Telecom likes buried in the Ground. excipt for the UK , which is behind like America is. Most, Europeans have 480v 3-phase wiring . and Primarly Europe has Dual TESLA ports and European CCS. so, a long time ago Europe decided to Standardize its FAST charging. ONLY, in America is it a HOT mess , outside the TESLA network. we, have too many Standards, CCS, ChaDemo, Tesla and J1772. in the USA ChaDemo is almost DEAD, even the NEW Aryia is only CCS in America . we should be more UNIFIED like Europe , have ONE L1/L2 connecor and ONE DC FAST charge plug that can handle up to 350 kwh . it would be a SIMPLE thing to MANDATE all chargers in the USA to use the TESLA as standard for L2 and DC Fast charging as well as Providing WIRELESS communication & Authentication for all Chargers including HOME chargers.

@markplott4820

3 жыл бұрын

Hi, Matt - America really is screwed outside of Tesla charging network. all of the Independent chargers have to use Phone Apps and Multiple IC cars to access the charger. JAPAN has Already solved this with PASIMO and SUICA card , you can use the Entire JAPAN train network with just ONE of TWO cards . you can even use them on smaller , Indipendent local Subway trains as well. America needs to LEARN this. what America needs is to #1 - build into all Domestic EV , a Wireless Communication system for Diagnostics and BILLING . this Eliminates the need to use Credit Cards , IC cars and Smartphone apps. #2 - America needs to decide on a NATIONAL standard for HOME Charger with Wireless Communication and L2 Public Chargers with WIRELESS , and DC FAST Chargers with WIRELESS as well.

@fudgeknuckle952

3 жыл бұрын

Tesla charger speed varies by a lot - and thats fine. There are so many and it's so easy to use them (navigation integration is a must) - and they are needed so rarely in my experience - that the top line speed is a cool feature but not very important overall. Good on anyone pushing the envelope, though.

@lestermarshall6501

3 жыл бұрын

I have an app on my phone called Gas Buddy. People who use it send in information on whether the station is open, prices, whether the pumps work, restrooms etc. Maybe someone will do the same for ev's?

@michaeltaylor3332

3 жыл бұрын

@@lestermarshall6501 Plugshare.

I've been watching these videos for over a year now, and I'm still impressed every time I do. Very detailed and well thought out, very well presented and edited, all backed up by reliable sources which are provided to those who wish to research further. Godspeed!

Supercharger network one main reason why I went with Model Y over Mach-e. Plug and play.

@gglen2141

3 жыл бұрын

Plug and Play, I'm a big fan. It is so often overlooked by marketing types when they hype all the benefits of making systems complex. "Why sell them only power, when we can make them get a special credit card and lock them into a specific charging network."

@abraxastulammo9940

3 жыл бұрын

It is called plug n charge for Mach-E: media.electrifyamerica.com/en-us/releases/123

@willemvandoesselare7959

3 жыл бұрын

My condolences .

@prof.crastinator

3 жыл бұрын

Yet we subsidize this proprietary nonsense

5:12 that’s me! I’m honoured!

@UndecidedMF

3 жыл бұрын

🙌

The simplicity of Tesla's system is one of Tesla's biggest advantage over all the other EV vehicles. The other is how the navigation system does all the charging planning on a road trip.

@UndecidedMF

3 жыл бұрын

Then Porsche had a pretty good in-car experience with this too ... but that Supercharger experience is kind of the gold standard.

@anthonyc8499

3 жыл бұрын

@@UndecidedMF is the gold standard charging experience having Plug & Charge protocol and in-car station navigation + station status?

@doubleclutchonline5811

3 жыл бұрын

One thing that Tesla can do to enhance this feature... tell drivers which charging station number at a location will provide the best charge rate. In a row of Tesla Superchargers, one may only offer 50kw, which the one three down might offer 125kw. Currently, if you want to know this, you need to call Tesla customer service.

@freundron

3 жыл бұрын

@@doubleclutchonline5811 All charging connections should deliver the same power levels at a given site. They (generally) don't mix and match v1 with v2 or v2 with v3 at any location, AFAIK. Theoretically, any connector will deliver the power, unless it's broken. Experience shows that they are usually in pretty good health. In-car display registers the number of functional connections. Agreed, showing which is broken could save a few minutes, but they are all equal. YMMV!

@ScrapKing73

3 жыл бұрын

@@freundron Even if they're all, say, V2 superchargers at a location, whether you're using one that's paired with a neighbour that's in use vs. one that is paired with a neighbour that's not in use will make a big difference, though.

Another high end production here... thanks again for all that you do to report on these complex topics. Not one main stream media outlet does this better... just awesome!

I have a friend who can't charge at home, and only does pubic charging. One advantage he's discovered is that, at least where we live, many level-2 units are free to use. He occasionally DC fast charges, but he mostly does level-2 charging while he shops, goes to restaurants, etc. The time it takes isn't crucial if your car isn't empty, and you're going to be doing things in the area for a while anyway.

@rubidot

3 жыл бұрын

That's what I'm really excited to see - chargers in every-day parking spots where you need to be anyway. They don't have to be fast, they just need to be easy.

@veryrealperson3694

Ай бұрын

it must be really painful for him having to only charge the car through his pubes, i hope he gets better soon 💀

As a non ev owner but considering, it is helpful to see this information, especially Tesla v the rest. Informative, balanced and well presented

@macioluko9484

3 жыл бұрын

Just as a reminder; what you currently see in the EV space (as great as it sounds) is the worst version of the technology. It will improve significantly every single year with decreasing costs. Today we are basically where Internal combustion engines/gas stations were in 1920.

Tesla does appear to be the “Apple” of electric cars when Steve Jobs was still running things. They seem dedicated on providing smooth customer experience and minimal technical difficulties. God help us when Elon is no longer running Tesla.

@Mic_Glow

3 жыл бұрын

When EV's become more popular governments will ban gas for private customers and all EV incentives (cheap charging, tax cuts, price subsidizing by govt, ability do drive into city centers and use bus lanes) will be gone and skinning will begin.

@ColtonRDean

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mic_Glow True. Just like many tech startups, there's the free trial and then the paid subscription. We're in a prolonged "free trial" period to incentivize the development of the industry. But eventually people will have to worry about the current price per Mwh.

@rodrigo-vl7bi

3 жыл бұрын

@@ColtonRDean but the price per mile is still wat cheaper with evs, people will be paying LESS to drive their cars

@yolo12345lol

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mic_Glow imo its not gonna be banned from private ownership just banned from being a public transportation (aka bus, truck, taxi, etc) but the public will definitely own ICE cars, hopefully just fewer

@Mic_Glow

3 жыл бұрын

@@yolo12345lol I'd gladly switch to an EV... but used ones are cr4p (meanwhile 150 yo used diesel with ac, central lock, electric windows etc. can be like 800$ and still drive for 10+ years) and those cars are more like driving tablets (or other "smart" gadgets)... I just want battery with wheels. Something that I can fix myself (and get cheap replacement parts).

If I didn’t already love ya Matt, you sealed the deal with the Ghostbusters reference. Keep it up man. Great content!

Thank you so much for another awesome video. I truly enjoy your presentation style and content.

All your videos are great and informative. Keep them coming.

Well researched and informative video. Kudos. I also like your graphics work. Great job!

Thank you for making this great video. I’m weighing a VW ID.4 with its 3 years of Electrify America network, versus a Tesla, for my next car. While there are a lot of other sources of info, this video really synthesizes all of the major issues in fast charging and makes it easy to understand and analyze. You’ve helped tip the scales toward Tesla. I also live in a city with its own ChargePoint network of L2 and L3 charging stations so I feel very lucky.

Plus 5 points for the Ghostbusters quote! Yet another enjoyed vid Matt. Godspeed, dennis

I have to admit that I replayed that Ghostbusters reference more than ten times.. Thoroughly enjoyed it

EVGo is the reason I bought my Tesla. My first EV was an i3, which I still own, has only 70 miles of electric range. Because of the feeble range, it requires frequent DC charging visits when going on any trip that’s further than about 25 miles away. EVGo stations were always out of service. For months these units sat broken, meanwhile Tesla superchargers glowed red and taunted me from across the parking lot. I’d see Tesla owners pull in and effortlessly plug their cars in without having to swipe anything or struggle with payments. They were in and out in the amount of time it took them to grab a cup of coffee. So Tesla has these shitty charging networks to thank for showing buyers why the Supercharger network is far superior.

@_PatrickO

3 жыл бұрын

Isn't EVgo a max of 50kw? Slow chargers are useless for traveling. Anything below 150kw shouldn't count on a map. 50kw chargers are destination chargers for use when parking at an all day event or overnight.

@jdear97

3 жыл бұрын

@@_PatrickO The i3 is limited to 50 kWhour rate. With a 20 kWhr battery, you didn't wait too long. But the Tesla is so much easier.

@YuriG03042

3 жыл бұрын

I had to read the last sentence several times before I could understand which network is shitty

@dd-ow6pe

3 жыл бұрын

Conclusion: stay with Tesla.. the others will lead to Madness

@robertlee8805

3 жыл бұрын

As you all stated that Tesla's SuperCharger system is a better experience then let's get ALL charging station manufacturers to duplicate Tesla's SuperCharger system and networks and payment methods. I don't have EV yet because of this dilemma and the different types of charging connectors. They have have a STANDARDIZED CHARGING CONNECTORS for both EVs and CHARGING STATIONS. Otherwise it's just frustrating experience. Do we have different gas pumps for different models of ICE vehicles? This industry needs to hurry and get STANDARDIZED CHARGING CONNECTORS NOW. This whole industry will grow too slow and there will be less choices and deter future users to switch to EVs and stick to ICE vehicle's. Then goes the whole reason why we all want to makeb our world better.

If you look at Bjørn Nyland youtube channel, Norway are showing us how it can be, that's probably because almost 80% of all new car sales in Norway are electric. I saw one of his videos where at one service station there appeared to be four different providers, each with 6 to 8 chargning ports. He said he prefered the chargers over there though, and pointed to another set about 200 yards away!

@salvelinus78

3 жыл бұрын

Some things are better here in Norway, but a lot of Matt's points are valid here as well. There are not that many fast charging options. Basically boils down to Tesla, Fortum (finnish energy company), Grønn kontakt, Ionity, Circle K, and several local energy companies. Of these ONLY Tesla charges by kwh for 50KW charging and faster, all of the others either have a by the minute rate or a combination of KW and time. Which is idiotic in a contry where half the year has sub zero celcius temperatures 5 months of the year. In -15 conditions a 50kw charger on average puts out about 25 KW... And even worse all providers have propriotory rfid/app systems. It is ridicolous, not ONE provider accepts debet/credit card payment. It is like everyone thinks they can corner the market by being the "first mover". On the plus side the fast charging plug problem is pretty much solved, now that Tesla has opted for CCS for the European market. Chademo is dying and pretty soon Nissan will realize they will not make any lisencing fees on that and convert to CCS as well. On the sales side we are at 80% for all EV, including hybrids. But BEV sales vary around the 40-50% mark depending on model releases

@Muppetkeeper

3 жыл бұрын

@@salvelinus78 Do your Ionity chargers charge by KWh or something else?

@salvelinus78

3 жыл бұрын

@@Muppetkeeper They actually charge by KWH now, 0,79 EUR per KWH. They used to charge 8 EUR per session, until Jan 2020. I have just never used them..

@doittoit00

3 жыл бұрын

@Gmail X That article is 17 months old. The competitive models that were supposedly on the horizon have not come to fruition as quickly as expected, Tesla Shanghai ramped up faster than expected, and Tesla sales have continued to grow faster than anticipated. I was unsure in 2019 if Tesla would make it but hoping they would. Now I think it would be foolish to doubt they will not continue along a growth path for years to come.

@MichaelEricMenk

3 жыл бұрын

@@salvelinus78 the largest problem that I see with not using kWh is power splitting. With a kilowatt pricing you can overcommit on power output, and still have the same max power usage for the site. A standard small site in Norway traditionally have 2x 50kW DC fast charger end 2x 22kW AC charge ports. Ignoring efficiency, that's 144kW per location. With smart energy grid, you could replace the one 50 kW Charger, with 150kW charger supporting two cars, and have all chargers split the available power. The peak power cost the operations a lot of money (they are bikked for the peak power consumption per month). This is especially a problem with location only getting traffic. By using a kWh prising and power sharing, we can have a lot of stall and high power at the same time. some people have an illusion how to make a high capacity site is to have powerful chargers. This is an illusion. Small vehicles, like microcars, motorcycles and snowmobiles will never be able to charge fast at a 150kW + charger. So if behind a motorcycle in queue, it does not help that your car support 250kW... kWh is the solution, if they are worried about people using it as parking, they can have a minimum price per minute that correspons to 20kW power usage.. Another problem is destination charging, pricing model in Norway for BKK and Grønn Kontakt. The minute + kWh pricing makes it more expensive to charge an PHEV, than filling it up with gas!!!

An EA charger with 350kW is 15 miles from me at Gulfport, I drove to the next one West in Hammond LA and it also had 350kW. To the East there is one in Pensacola that has 350kW. Going slightly North from Mobile Alabama to Saraland and an EA station with 350kW is under construction. This is in Flyover Country.

@_PatrickO

3 жыл бұрын

Imagine relying on 1 charger per stop to just barely charge as fast as a tesla. Remember, efficiency matters. The taycan is 69mpge, the tesla model S is 111mpge. That means a taycan charging at a full 270kw, only adds miles at the same rate as a model S charging at 168kw. On a 150kw charger, the taycan is a joke, it only adds miles at the same speed as a tesla on a 93kw charger.

Very well covered! Thanks!

Just got back from the first road trip in my 2023 Ioniq 5. Went from Oklahoma City to Santa Fe, NM, about 530 miles. Plotted charging on PlugShare and used Electrify America exclusively as they provide two years free charging with Ioniq 5. Had no problems charging, either with speed of charge or availability of chargers. And, how wonderful to get free charging by just swiping the phone app on the EA charger. Oklahoma City only has one EA charger at the moment, but I charge in my own garage when I'm here. So far, owning an electric car is not a problem. I absolutely love it!

Solid info. Thank you for multiple perspectives

Nice vid. Thanks for your time!

As always, fantastic info and video.

About ease of charging, Fastned in the Netherlands allow Tesla like charging, just plugin and go. You have to register your car to the Fastned network first. Indentification is through the CCS plug.

Thank you always informative and details video, great information relating to the real work exsperiance of EV owners.

We have owned our 2016 Tesla Model X P100DL for the last 100,000 miles. We have driven it across country through 22 states. We have the unlimited SuperCharging attached to the vehicle. It has been awesome !!! We are very happy that we bought this vehicle, so much so we bought a 2019 Model 3 Long Range. No regrets.

Thank you for doing this video

@UndecidedMF

3 жыл бұрын

My pleasure!

4:18 yes, there is one charger in Moscow. Totally true.

Right on time as always Matt! What do think of Volta's Charging network?

@UndecidedMF

3 жыл бұрын

I actually use Volta a bunch when I go to the grocery stor and shopping. They're all around my area at shopping centers, so super convenient ... but slow (all Level 2). I haven't used or seen any of their DC fast chargers.

@frankjones8302

3 жыл бұрын

@@UndecidedMF Yup. Convenient and accessible has been effective for them. Yes, slow in comparison to Superchargers but I don't think that's what they are going for imo. I'm guessing there usability rates are the highest outside Tesla. Idle chargers cost money - tough businesses model to withstand while adoption is still new-ish. Still waiting for better adoption here in Ontario, Canada (which is a no-brainer imo). Thanks again Matt. I always enjoy watching your videos.

@MrHammer2088

3 жыл бұрын

@@UndecidedMF what's the chance of a supercharger exploding a battery pack?

@DaivG

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrHammer2088 The car actually has the charge controller on board and tells the electricity to turn on or off. So it’s impossible for a charger to explode a battery pack, the car would have to do it to itself.

Great video topic and execution! Thanks. Interesting: Here in Central Texas, I at least haven’t seen very many DC fast-chargers on ChargePoint’s network, although they have been rolling them out *much* faster in the past several months. In the case of the Austin area, with encouragement from Austin Energy. EVgo seems to have a huge head start in the typical 50KW DC charger race in the Central Texas vicinity. Now of course, here within Austin especially, there are *tons* of the usual ~7.5KW AC chargers on the ChargePoint network.

@UndecidedMF

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Gary ... and thanks for sharing!

I have only taken my Bolt on a long range trip where getting to my destination left me with not enough power to get home. And it was around the Ocala National Forest area where there are no Level 2 or fast charger stations anywhere nearby. Luckily, I was staying there a few days so hooked up my trickle charger and when I was ready to go home I had enough power to make it. I rarely use chargers when not at home, especially now that I work from home. I have a Level 2 installed in my garage and I plug in on a sunny day when I'm about down to a quarter charge in my battery.

Matt, thank you for another very informative video. I didn’t see the link to the video about different plugs, or is that part of the Tesla vs Competition video that you linked?

@UndecidedMF

3 жыл бұрын

Whoops! Forgot to include it. Here it is: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZXqHr6lue8W3m7A.html

@Archersrule220

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Good topic Matt. Here in the UK, we have known unreliable networks, and known excellent networks. Using the Zap-Map filters, you can select which network you want to use. I have had very good experiences with Instavolt, Engenie, Shell and BP, which are all contactless payment units. I think the problem has been unregulated and unlegislated companies doing what they please. Last year the government told the network providers to make payments contactless or they would bring in legislation to force them to.

@kaitlyn__L

3 жыл бұрын

When Shell and BP announced their intention to bring EV charging into their forecourts, I was tentatively hopeful that their expertise could fix some of the issues with current charging networks. Not least in doing maintenance and upgrades as needed, just as they have to do to keep the mechanical fuel pumps in check. I'm glad that this seems to have been true.

Finally someone made a video of the actual charging/payment process. Great video. I am a non-EV owner but Tesla fan and this is the first video that describes the charging process from a $ standpoint.

@UndecidedMF

3 жыл бұрын

👍

I experienced an issue at a Tesla Supercharger location...Goodland Kansas. We were on our first long distance trip in our new mod 3 last October. Heading back to Colorado, trying to beat the arrival of a winter storm. Temps were dropping fast and were already below freezing. Pulled into the Supercharger parking lot and hooked up to a charging station...nothing, no power. Moved to a second charger...same result. Moved to a third, it started charging and then after a minute or two went to zero like the other two. Called Tesla and got a recording telling me that if I was calling about a broken charger they would have already gotten a report from the charger and then ended the calI. I did not have enough charge to make it to the next location along I70. Decided to try a 4th charging station and, luckily, it worked. But I have to say, this was a horrible experience. You really are at the mercy of the Tesla charging network, and not having a human-answered help line when you are having an issue is really unacceptable.

Another great video!

However, I do love the communications point whereby the chargers have to state how fast they actually are.

Matt and all, I have had my Tesla 4 yrs and 45K mi and have never had a problem at a Tesla Supercharger, and there are always restaurants a short walk. The only time I had to wait at a supercharger is on the way back from a Kennedy Space Flight Center SpaceX Falcon Heavy launch. There were an inordinate number of Tesla drivers on the way home from viewing the launch :) One road trip through a hurricane devastated section of the Carolina's, Tesla had huge gas generators brought in to run the charging station, not great for zero emissions, but I was impressed.

@UndecidedMF

3 жыл бұрын

Not great for zero emissions for sure, but putting customers first. Nice to hear that story. Thanks for sharing.

Nice summary. In 2016 and 2017, I often had to search out non-Tesla chargers on my road trips. I've hardly pulled out plugshare since because the non-Tesla charging experience is so bad that I have no interest in using anything else. The simplicity, ubiquity, and reliability of the Tesla supercharger network is the single greatest reason I struggle to recommend any non-Tesla EV, especially if the person intends to road trip their EV.

Today is 6/23/23 and this video is two years old. It’s held up remarkably well, yet sad to see that the reliability of CCS hasn’t improved much, if any in the two years since this video was posted.

Great vid, am considering an EV (Kia Niro) this is so helpful.

I can see where they're coming from with per-minute pricing. It punishes punishes people who let their EV just sit there occupying the rapid charger even after their EV battery is charged up. What I'm saying is that per-minute pricing gives the incentive to (if you don't mind me being crass) "charge the f*** up and get the f*** out"

@MDP1702

3 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't then the better option be /kWh pricing and then when an EV is full/not charging, switch to a per minute price? Though this should primarily be used with fast chargers. Eventually being able to at any moment plug in your EV in a regular charger should be the goal where ever you are, since then you can charge the cars when there is an overproduction of renewables and if commercially interesting also use V2G. With a /minute pricing at regular chargers, people obviously wouldn't always plug in their EV, eliminating the advantage EV's have both for their owners and the grid, unless this /minute price is low enough to still save enough money by charging at the right time.

@petegalindez9961

3 жыл бұрын

The pricing per KW v per unit of time is mostly driven by state laws from my limited knowledge, that dictate that only utility providers can charge by KW. TESLA has been fighting this from what I understand. Until we get federal legislation or all 50 states in agreement, we’ll see some states charging per Kw and others by minute. From my experience with supercharging, most sites seem to charge double what the local rate for electricity is. BTW, Matt, how was that TAYCAN??? That thing is impressive. I got to test drive the Turbo a few months ago. Very cool. Loved the noise when in sport +. Thought it was pretty cool. Loved the layout of the interior too. Having owned a Porsche, it’s a great interior. GREAT JOB MATT!

@georgesackinger2002

3 жыл бұрын

It is a shame that you can't see the advantage of per Kwh charging. In a warm climate this must be frustrating. In our cold climate, it is absolutely cheaper to charge by Kwh. If you have charged at EA, you know there is a $.40 / min fee if you leave your car longer than 10 min after completely charging. This could get expensive. I also hear that I should only charge to 80% at DC combo fast chargers. Sometimes I need a 100% charge to get to the next destination. A solution might be to have AC chargers to top the batteries off next to the DC Fast chargers. Another solution would be to give a .02 per Kwh discount on the whole charge if you don't exceed 80%.

@lilricky2515

3 жыл бұрын

@@MDP1702 This is being beta tested with ElectrifyAmerica. At certain locations, it will "punish" idlers, with increasing idling rates for accounts that hog chargers again and again.

@robertlee8805

3 жыл бұрын

Well then since EVs and CHARGING are technologies that uses networks like cell phones why haven't CHARGING STATIONS give notifications thru user's smart phones' app? End user's problem solved.

Awesome video! I actually have only used a DC fast charger once on our Nissan Leaf, and that was - let's be honest - a pain in the butt. We were in Germany, and needed to charge to get home. The main problem wasn't even that there weren't any fast chargers available, but the connector. In Europe, CCS is basically the only widely available DC connector, and the Leaf still has a CHAdeMO connector. Long story short, we went to one fast charger that should have a CHAdeMO connector, but actually didn't have one, but we had luck and there was a Nissan dealership within 20km, that was still open. While they did have a DC charger, they didn't have set up a payment system, but there was a friendly employee that let us charge for free. I was actually impressed by how fast it charged, even though it maxes out at 50kW. We only waited like 20 minutes and were good to go.

We live in an apartment building and don't have a charger (yet) so we charge at public locations. Initially, I thought it would be a hassle. But it turns out that here in Canada, we pay way less to charge than for parking. So, now we try to not charge it too much so we can park anywhere for less. Not to mention that the charging spots are for EVs only. This is very helpful if it's difficult to find parking spots. As for reliability, we never had any issues.

Hey Matt, Love your videos! I would love to know what you think of Nio and there approach to batterie swapping.

@robertlee8805

3 жыл бұрын

When you need to go somewhere say an emergency or just don't have time to go to your battery depot and there's long lines do you think it'll be a good experience? Charging at home and at public CHARGING stations like filling up at gas stations would be a better experience.

@stevemiller123

3 жыл бұрын

@@robertlee8805 Battery swapping and or charging. You don't lose the other option. Otherwise I would agree. To only be able to battery swap would be mega lame.

I must be blessed ! In my area of Québec the three main companies, Electric Circuit, FLO, and especially Petro-Canada are very reliable. Whether it’s because their equipment and systems are well thought out and of good quality I don’t know, because in 2 years I have never visited a broken or malfunctioning charger !? The only downside is, they charge by the minute, more competition will change that.

@instanoodles

3 жыл бұрын

I love my Flo chargers around NS, have never let me down. The new Petro Canada chargers have failed on me twice and they have hardly been out for a year.

I used Evgo Wednesday (day before Thanksgiving) and it was not scary at all, I was there an hour and a half and was billed $2.33, I’d use em again in a pinch and this was on a Tesla Model Y and they had pay as you go plan, you choose the option you need. Very positive experience and even got an email from them saying they were sending me a card in case I needed to use em again, very friendly and helpful company.

i've ordered the tri motor fsd ct & i can't wait for it to get here!! I may buy the S or the Y in the mean time..i got lots of solar & back up battery system as well.

An even bigger problem than broken chargers that I found with ChargePoint and EVGo is that the bays are often filled with non-EVs. The apps normally tell you if a charger is broken or in use, but they can never tell you that a Volvo has parked in the spot because it's the closest point to the entrance to WholeFoods. In their quest to make charging as convenient as possible, these companies often choose the most desirable locations in parking lots and there is very little non-EV enforcement. Most Tesla SuperChargers I've seen are in dedicated areas that discourage all other vehicles (and Electrify America seem to be following a similar principle).

Deland FL has Stetson U with Chargepoint. $1.00 helps keep traffic at the chargers moving. Other chargers in town are a hodgepodge but all free. Chargers at local auto dealerships aren’t as user friendly, often placed so their service centers can use them but no one else.

great video!

I’m so glad the electrify America stations near me switch to a per kWh pricing structure. It now costs me $4 to fully charge my degraded leaf instead of over $15 which was ridiculous. It came out to over $1 per kWh.

Xlnt vid. Thanks!

In Oklahoma Tesla is way behind others. Only five superchargers, but we have 80+ CHAdeMO. I'm so glad I bought the CHAdeMO adapter. Its saved me more than once here.

Luckily here in Australia Tesla have gone to CCS2, with all superchargers modified. Our Model 3 can therefore be used at just about any fast charger, including our limited number of Superchargers. It’s all getting better with time of course- quite a few new fast chargers have come online in the last year.

12:57 - the images are out of scale, and we only use a few of those in the US. That makes it seem more confusing than it is. The main connectors are CC1/J1772 and Tesla. The CCS1 connector is the J1772 part with DC inlet.

@ScrapKing73

3 жыл бұрын

I felt the same way. With the decline of CHAdeMO, in Europe there's really only CCS2, and in North America there's now really only CCS1 and Tesla going forward. It's not nearly as confusing as the discussion around it in the video would suggest.

@cadriver2570

3 жыл бұрын

@@ScrapKing73 The issue of charging by time or kWh was also missed. It comes down to state law, and what constitutes an electric utility. It's very silly, but it's not Electrify America's problem. Tesla also charges by time where law forces them to do so. I won't dispute the conclusion that the Tesla network is ahead in the US. That is my personal experience as well. But I will give credit to Electrify America for emailing itemized receipts after each charge session.

Thank you Matt.

@UndecidedMF

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Ron!

I'm glad you're talking about the UX of the charging networks. I'm reasonably tech savvy, but even I find the multiple accounts and apps very much a hassle. Thinking of people like my elderly mother or folks who just aren't that tech savvy, this is very much an issue just for understanding how to pay. Then, you add the various plug types and charging speeds to the equation, and it can all get a bit overwhelming to some folks. Being able to just tap your credit card (much like a gas pump) and having standardized plug types would go a long way towards removing those adoption barriers.

@robertlee8805

3 жыл бұрын

Just what I'm thinking about. 1 Problems solved. Many more to go. These technology companies need to focus on the different end users and improving their experiences with charging stations so this technology will see faster acceptance.

Tesla also has 120 kW V1 chargers such as Buckeye AZ and 72kW urban chargers such as Fontana CA. These are 72 kW dedicated based on V2 cabinets. There aren't too many V1 sites left ... Tesla website will say these V1 sites are 150 kW, but the cars nav will say 120kW. Tesla also has temp chargers on pallets, they are 72 kW urban chargers but are limited to 50 kW output. Examples of this are Indio CA and Kingman AZ, and Cabazon CA. They show up on the in car nav but on a site with mixed V2 and temp chargers, it will always show the V2 speed of 150 kW. Often these temp chargers really are temp before an upgrade occurs... Such an example is Beaver UT in 2019 which the temps were removed and additional permanent stall were installed.

I have a Model 3 but don't have home charging, so I have to use the public networks, often with a CHAdeMO adapter. The main network options for me are Tesla, EA, Blink, and ChargPoint. They honestly all work pretty well. The level 2 Blink network is the most expensive at 39 cents per kwh (but a flat $6.99 per session when using a DC fast charging station) and with EA coming in at 31 cents per kwh (with a $4 per month membership fee), then Tesla at 26-29 cents per kwh, and usually cheapest is ChargePoint at around the low 20s per kwh. Actually, charging via Blink and their DC network can be the cheapest. There seems to be a one hour time limit, but at $6.99 per charge and using the CHAdeMO adapter, I can get the cost down to about 17 cents per kwh. You just have to be willing to sit at a charger for an hour :)

All plugs should be standardized.

@bubba842

3 жыл бұрын

Going that way in Europe. CCS Is the standard. Chademo is dying out. All Teslas in Europe are CCS.

Since I got my Model Y in June several people ask me what EV to buy. My answer goes like this: If you just want to drive around town, buy any EV with any range and it will be reliable and better than gas. If you road trip one or two times a year and go no more than 200 miles, pick any EV with DC fast charging and 200+ miles of range (250 miles would be best). Any other conditions require a Tesla. I think this answer will be true for the next 3 to 4 years as more non-Tesla EVs hit the road and the DC fast charging market works itself out.

Great video. Small typo at 4:30. The label on the graph says "CSS" instead of "CCS".

@UndecidedMF

3 жыл бұрын

🤦

Really haven't made large use of the Public charging yet with my Bolt other than Level 2 stations. Looking at doing a possible EV road trip down down in a month so that should be interesting. Electrify America is performing their refresh, which I expect should be done by the time I go, but for the stations already done it seems folks are happy with them.

Excellent video. Cheers.

@UndecidedMF

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Cheers!

Just took a road trip to Redding CA from the Bay Area last week. I guess I should have done more research first. Got to Redding thinking I could plug into a destination charger. Not realizing that I had to stay at the hotel to use them. Figured oh well I would just use another non Tesla charger, but didn't realize the J772 adapter was not universal. Ended up spending a hour wondering around a Target while my car charged at a ChargePoint 50kw charger, so I could make it back to a Tesla supercharger in Red Bluff. Oh, well next time I'll be more careful.

After using regular chargers for years I finally bought a Tesla and was amazed by the user experience and reliability. Had many issues with the non-Tesla chargers before this, mostly with broken chargers. So frustrating to drive to a charge spot and find it's not working. Costs tons of time and leads to range anxiety. Tesla has a real winner there.

One thing I am curious about is wait times. Is the shared experience that there is always a charge station available when pulling in, or do people have to get in line and wait for an available station?

Excellent!

The reason some areas charge per minute depends on the government laws in that area whether or not electricity is considered a utility or is considered a consumable. If it is a utility it is governed by their laws like electrical transmission, and if it is considered a unit of measure like gallons, the kilowatts then are governed by the same type of laws as gas stations.

There are three Electrifily America stations in Massachusetts rated at 350 KW. There are two Tesla superchargers rated at above 200 KW in Massachusetts. There are approximately 300 EA locations rated above 200 KW in the US. There are approximately 150 Tesla supercharger locations rated at over 200 KW in the US.

Take this in. Petro Canada only has 1 sometimes 2 chargers per participating station. This totals to 51 chargers that are spread from one end of Canada to the other.

I must say that in some states, it *is* cheaper to pay by time of charging. In Iowa for example (with time-based rates), a "full" charge on my Model 3 costs about $6-$8 depending on starting SoC. If I go to Illinois (where they charge by kWh), it costs $14-$18.

Regulations? Would have been a good idea at least for the hardware (plug format)...

One crazy thing I just found on Google Maps, here in Sweden. Is that each charging company shows according to what they call themselves. You could be driving past a charger, just because you were looking for an other name! Charge point, Electric car park, electrified pole etc

Because eero is owned by Amazon, would you recommend a different mesh system or still eero?

Very interesting and informative Matt. Definitely looks like it's best to go with Tesla.

@UndecidedMF

3 жыл бұрын

At the moment it really is.

Hd Dvd vs blu-ray it's basically what this reminds me of.

I am so glad that I bought a Tesla. I love the no hassle supercharging network, just drive up, plug it in and wait until it's done. I love Telsa cars so much I bought my wife a model Y as well (I get to drive it on trips though 😁).

What i think will remove the pain of charging will be something similar to mobile phone network operators do since ages: roaming. You are customer of one charging network and your credentials are valid with any other charging network. Payment is handled between operators.

Love the shirt!!!

@UndecidedMF

3 жыл бұрын

👍

@Sudge4King

3 жыл бұрын

@@UndecidedMF Where is the shirt from?

Put some respeck on ChargePoint

@patrickbateman783

3 жыл бұрын

Respecktos my name 🤣

Thanks Matt. I’m still on the fence about EVs, which we consider a natural progression from our hybrid which can go anywhere and Is efficient and totally reliable. It surprises me to find the cost of an EV “fill up “ on the road.

Well its cause some states have regulatory licenses and who is able to obtain one as a fuel distribution so they can't sell by the kilowatt hours but instead by the use of service per min. With some states having power companies that are privately owned and state contracted. In doing so you cant be a power distribution company so you rent the parking space and hook would be the loophole.

Here in Germany I can use the Maingau App and Chargecard. I can charge at almost all charging stations with a fixed price. (except for Ionity these are a bit more expensive). Outside of Germany in other countries, the card works too but pricing is different.

Look a bit closer! There are 2 x 350 kW stations at the Auburn, MA Electrify America site you scrolled past, then another two at the Chicopee, MA location you clicked on, which has been there for 2.5 years now 👍 The only Electrify America stations that don't have 350 kW stations are those designed to serve metro areas (like Greater Boston, which is why you'll see several of them), where it's assumed that they'll serve more local users and dwell time will be a little longer for retail or other ends.

@_PatrickO

3 жыл бұрын

He should filter the data to remove all chargers not at least 150kw or more. That gives a much better representation of the ability to travel. Slow chargers are useless for traveling.

@newscoulomb3705

3 жыл бұрын

@@_PatrickO Unfortunately, PlugShare's filters are wonky. They have the cutoff at 120 kW. Either way, 150 kW isn't absolutely necessary, depending on how you travel and the efficiency of the car. Some people are perfectly happy stopping for 30 minutes for every two to three hours of driving.

@_PatrickO

3 жыл бұрын

@@newscoulomb3705 150kw is necessary, because you don't want to add significant time to travel and chargers need to be fast to accommodate more cars. In a few years, 150kw will stop being acceptable too as people expect faster charging. Faster charging is more important as EV car volume grows if there is any shot at not being a mess of long lines. "Some people are perfectly happy stopping for 30 minutes for every two to three hours of driving." exactly why we need +150kw charging.

@newscoulomb3705

3 жыл бұрын

@@_PatrickO I don't think you understood what I said. 150 kW charging is not required for travel because some cars are efficient enough with long enough range that it's not necessary. Now, for those chargers that are dedicated travel chargers (only bathrooms and convenience store amenities), you can even argue that 150 kW isn't fast enough. Regardless, the point here is that the public charging infrastructure was being misrepresented. There are more 350 kW CSS sites than V3 Supercharger sites in North America, and there are probably a similar number of 150 kW CCS sites as there are 150 kW V2 Supercharger sites. Yes, Tesla has an advantage in plugs per site, but they are behind in the total number of sites. Distribution is even more important than site concentration at this point, and it will continue to be until the charging infrastructure reaches saturation. That's a long way off for the public charging infrastructure.

@_PatrickO

3 жыл бұрын

@@newscoulomb3705 You didn't read what I wrote. 150kw is the minimum. Even if you got 1% of people to agree to forever use 50kw chargers for all travel, you'll never get the other 99% to accept that. Hell, you would never get close to 1% of the population accepting slow charging. "There are more 350 kW CSS sites than V3 Supercharger sites in North America," what a load of bull. One 350kw charger per site is junk. You cannot rely on that. EA tends to also have two 150kw chargers too, but that amounts to 3 chargers per charge stop that come close to acceptable. (150kw is ok for a tesla, but too slow for non-teslas with poorer efficiency). Tesla has charge stops with +50 chargers. EA is doing below bare minimum with only 3 charger stops. They have no stops with more viable chargers than 3. I am not sure your point, but the mach-e, e-tron, etc will forever have tiny sales numbers in the US because these are overpriced short range vehicles. Traveling with them is time consuming and you risk an EA charger being down. (a car is not long range unless it is supported by fast [+150kw] chargers on routes people drive, the bolt is short range because it charges at most 60kw and therefore is good for driving 120mi out and 120mi back home to charge) Ford is throwing in free towing to the nearest charger if you get stranded by EA to try to quash PR backlash when the inevitable happens and people are stranded. EA will not be expanding, the settlement money will run out and the whole operation will be auctioned off in bankruptcy.

Time connected fee make sense to me for a few reasons. If you hire a car you don’t pay for the mileage you do. You pay for how long that item is occupied. Some form of time related cost promotes good behaviours. A major cost for charge points is installation and maintenance. Also consider that a wider range of vehicles use non Tesla charges. Imagine a very slow charging vehicle being left plugged in for an hour to unnecessarily put in 5kwh and blocking that charge at a very busy time. The best solution would probably be a combination of three things. A connection fee(covers wear), a times charge(promotes quick as possible usage), and energy used(promote efficient vehicle and driving)

Like with computer peripherals. In the old days, it was RS232 serial ports, parallel ports, DIN connectors, audio plugs etc. Now almost all USB. E Car industry needs to get it together.

Took my 2015 BMW i3/Rex from Texas to Boston. Tried doing it with mostly batteries, but the EA chargers where a pain. 40 mins of driving, 15 mins to figure out which charger was working, 20 mins to charge. There is no light on the charger to say it is not working and the app is not always right.

The biggest problem (right now) with electrify America is there are large gaps on the USA map. There’s nothing on I-20 between Dallas to Atlanta, and there’s a huge hole in Montana and it’s neighboring states.

I'm getting my first electric car around September (Audi Q4 e-tron), I know this is more of a U.K. question but do most people use octopus at home and how have people found the charge stations on the M1? We tend to travel less than 250 miles in a day and stay within Yorkshire however we do occasionally go to London using the M1 it is my biggest worry about an ev is being able to charge it. That said I have found out that the AA in the U.K. now has to carry a portable generator with all adapters just in case so that's reassuring.

Good summary. Locally at an outlet mall, we had the first 350 kW charger in the EV-America system. There are also 20 Tesla Supercharger stands right next to the EV Americas changer. On a typical day, the EV-America chargers are usually empty and the Tesla charging stands are doing a brisk business with cars cycling through. In the year+ the 350 kW Electrify America charger has been there I have never seen it in use. The 2 or 3 people I know with Taycan's say they never use the EA fast chargers because they are too expensive. Plus, they point out that the Taycan's range is so short they don't take it on trips.

@UndecidedMF

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! It's good the EA charger is there ... I bet it starts getting more use in the years ahead. Hopefully competition will pull the EA prices down too ... those fees are way to high.

Matt, this was a great video, but you missed a big issue when comparing charge networks. The kWh is only part of the picture, how the car and charger decline over time is a massive impact on total charge time. The top speed is only when the battery is relatively low SoC. Further the efficiency of the car has a big impact. A Taycan and Model 3 both charging at 150 (or 50) are adding miles (km's) at very different rates. I know you were focusing on charge networks, but this is relevant background info for a discussion about networks. Regardless, well done.

Thank you for providing an unbiased & accurate overview of EV charging worldwide, not just America! I have owned a 30kwh Leaf & now a 64kwh Soul in the UK for 4 years now, approaching a charging station in the Leaf with a nervous feeling in your stomach knowing if the charger didn't work you were in trouble wasn't great & long journeys were never pleasurable because of that constant apprehension & it wasn't unfounded. The Soul is so much better as l always have an alternative. Our motorway system charging network run by Ecotricity still has only 2 chargers per station & they frequently don't work & personally think is actively holding back EV adoption.

One thing that needs to be pointed out - Tesla can charge at both their own chargers AND all those other options* so they’ll always be ahead no matter how you look at it. except for CCS1 in the US until they come out with an adapter

Matt,I have a hybrid so at this point there are no issues...but I have toyed with trading in my Niro for the Soul EV when supplies start loosening up. Now.... with all of the manufacturer adaptor issues, how does one approach a charging station with the uncertainty of proper adaptor connection. How is this approached by all involved? Thank you for such interesting coverage on new technologies and with the world of quicksand enviroments created by the rapid pace with which we are being emersed in. Making any decision to enter into any arena of the high tech industries has such trepidation attached, it's a wonder anyone with ordinary means of income can dip thier toes in. This is where you shine, the lead explorer of uncharted waters! Thank you!

Could you make a video about synthetic fuels?

I'm here in the south east US. I've got a Clarity that'll only do l1/2 AC charging. I've had great luck with Chargepoint and Semacharge but EVGo has been spotty at best (with some stations completely broken for months on end with no response from customer service). Blink could use a better app, though that may have changed since the last time I used them (2 years ago now)

I have had a Model 3 since 2018. In Quebec, there is the Tesla network and the Circuit Électrique which belongs to Hydro Quebec. For us it's simple, we just need two applications. The applications of both networks are very easy to use and very inexpensive. So after Covid is over, come visit Montréal with your EV.