thank you for the review! true 2 person tents should be 50" wide (head and feet).

Great review, thank you. I have had both and I now just use a Nemo Hornet 2p Regular (not Elite). The Elite and Big Agnes Platnium are just too thin to be realistic. I believe they were really just in a weight race with each other and lost site of practicality.

I have the regular Hornet 2p and I am absolutely in love with it!

That arc in the back of the Nemo is for ventilation. It works amazingly well.

I sleep two people in the Hornet Elite every time I go with someone else. It IS cramped. But very doable. And it’s a palace solo. Thanks for the video

Just ran across this again. I already have the BA Tiger Wall UL 2 and love it. I like the extra size for 1. Cost was average but expensive and weighs a bit more as you know. Love it.

This is a great review because despite your preference for the Nemo Hornet, you absolutely sold me on the Big Agnes Tiger Wall. I'm looking for a tent that I can use on my solo ventures as well as when my partner and I do a section of the PCT with my family in August. I certainly can deal with a bit less headroom (I usually bivy) but I think that realistically it's best to get the tent that provides us most space to coexist. Thanks for helping me make this decision, I'll try to follow back up once we use it together.

Newest Hornet UL 2023 has short pole option like the Tigerwall BA Bikepack. I like that small pack size to fit real easy in pack. Cool stuff.

I have the Tiger Wall UL2 (not platinum) and it is one of my favorite pieces of gear. I have put that tent through a lot of hiking miles and nights on trail in a bunch of diferent weather situations (snow, hail, torential rain and wind, blazing heat and sun light, etc. etc.) and 3 years later it still seems to be in "brand new" condition. Can't imagine not buying another Big Agnes tent when this tent finally falls apart.

I have a Tiger Wall 2 Person tent w/ MtnGLO. Love it!! It's the best. With that said, I have never used a Nemo tent so can't say if I like it or not but really love my TigerWall.

Hey Dan, I own the Tigerwall 2P Platinum. I absolutely love it. The weight for space is in the sweet spot for me. As for the larger footprint size, its not really an issue for me as I've been using it at dedicated campsites and platforms in Australia. The 2 large vestibules are great, I use one for gear and one for cooking. Keep the vids coming. Im a bit of a gear nerd also and always keep up & to see what's new!

@DanBecker

2 жыл бұрын

That’s awesome! It is such a good tent. Glad it’s working for you!!

Thanks for this I was wondering how the two compared. Although now I am thinking of copper spur 1 (wish they did platinum. Similar weight for one person and no hassle set up and ventilation.

I've always wanted a Big Agnes tent. Not sure which one though! Thanks for the comparisons. Who knows which one I'll end up with!

My Tiger Wall Platinum has been performing well for 4 seasons now and it’s rather good. I’ve been though a few storms with no issues. As far as I’m concerned the privacy it provides is fine. So far no holes, but I’m pretty careful with my gear.

I have the original Tiger Wall 2 for 7 years now. I am going to retire it after this summer. I am going to get the new Tiger Wall. I love my tent! The only drawback with these ultra-light tents is that thy are pretty delicate compared to tents we used in the past. We ask for ultra-light and they make it, but it is not as durable as previous generations of tents

Thaks, Dan! could you add the PACKED size in your notes? As you know, some are 21"x7" while others are 12"x5.5". Thanks again!

Would love to see you comparing these tents to the new msr freelite 2p from 2022. I think that one would be somewhere in the middle. Small footprint like the hornet and more headspace like the tiger wall

I have the BA tigerwall ul2. Space inside is ginormous. Perhaps the hornit is enough. Not had too much problem finding a space although once couldn't extend the vestibules fully. What about the carbon version?

They both look similar to the Marmot Ultra Alloy. The Y section is located at the feet though. I've enjoyed it so far.

Wasps. Bees. Battlestar Galactica. Big Agnes wins for me. But I like that the Nemo Hornet ships with an actual hornet.

I'm a hammock camper why am I watching this? Cause you're freaking great and you've educated me a lot about backpacking (I go camping like once a year but I want to start backpacking) so I will watch every damn video you make that isn't a Q&A

Thanks Dan. Is it better to hike with a small air horn or a loud whistle? What's the loudest whistle?

I use the Green Hornet for solo backpacking and it seems almost perfect. I use a 3 Person Mountain Hardwear for when I bring my significant other as the Nemo 2p is really just a one person tent imo.

Thanks from Minnesota!

NearZero 2p ultra light has been my jam this year. it weighs a little more but its more than half the price and still quality!

Hey Dan! I’d love to hear your opinion on the Mountain hard ware strato 2p. I have that one and the Nemo hornet. The strato 2p does allow for 2 regular wide Nemo tensors 🤪

🤷‍♂️just bought the BA. I really was going back and forth between the two. And if I would of seen this video before my purchase…well, really you would of been no help, I’d still be unsure…lol.

@DanBecker

2 жыл бұрын

😂

Well done Dan. Tx!!!

The foot print is an interesting way to examine it. I tarp tent when alone w my six moons deschutes. When I take a friend, my ba tiger wall ul3 is my go to(25’ pad all the way). For 500 ish bucks, now your talking dcf price range, just go zpacks duplex.

I have a Nemo Hornet Elite waiting to be delivered. I'm a little concerned about the material this Nemo ultra light tent uses. I'm considering getting the Dragonfly for more durability. Any advice?

I do not have these ultra light tents, but I have a NEMO Aurora 3p for car camping+maybe 1-night hiking with my partner. The cutout showing at 5:40 has been fine for me, or it may be because the Aurora is not made of Nylon. I was also skeptical at first, but anyhow, the cutout on my Aurora is not leaking after a night of thunderstorms (the rain was loud enough that we had to use an ear plug to sleep). Instead, the cutout + the vent on top made the fly no condensation the entire night. My partner said she is more comfortable sleeping in this tent because the airflow is much better, and there is no stuffy feeling.

These tent duels are great. Would love to see more like Tarptent Notch Li vs Dan Durston X-Mid 1. And Tarptent Stratospire Li vs Dan Durston X-Mid 2.

@tron3737

Ай бұрын

I picked up an OG Tarptent Stratospire 1 on eBay a few years back. The learning curve is high for pitching/setup. But is is an AWESOME product!

I have a video on my channel about modifying the guy lines on a Big Agnes. I did this same mod on my Tiger Wall Platinum 2 and it made a big difference. The Platinum 2 is by any reasonable definition a single person tent.

Nemo tents are so claustrophobic, imo. I even went with the Super Alloy over the Tiger Wall for the space. Packaged weight is only 2 lb 8 oz if you mod with Dyneema guylines & UL stakes. Wish they made a premium version like this to keep up with the competition though.

What’s the durability of the platinum? And have you gotten your hands on the Carbon? Any durability issues with that one?

Right now, I'm having my own tent duel. The Copper Spur HV UL2 and the Nemo Dagger 2p. Unfortunately, I can't find either of them in stock so I'm going a little nuts.

The BA has nice doors & pockets, but me being one person & liking a small footprint..idk. Like the big vestibule on the other Nemo, the Dragonfly, but it is a much heavier freestander. Great work.

Hello Dan, would you do a review about the copper spur hv ul?

Hi, I'm looking for an ultralight family tente (4 people, less than 2kg). Can you please make a video about that with suggestions ? Cheers from south of France 🤙

Moosejaw has the BA tiger wall platinum 2 in stock. I just received mine today

Would be nice if you compared these to the gossamer 2 person tent

i have a tiger wall. best tent I've ever seen. if you get the plain ul 2 it comes in color.

I love my BA tiger wall platinum ul2

The Nemo side pockets are at your hip where there is already very little space. The BA side pockets are near your head where there is more space and it is easier to see what's there. The overhead pocket is bigger in the BA, but the Nemo does have the defuser for your head lamp. For two people the BA wins. For 1 person, I think it's more of a style choice. Personally, I like the BA colors better. My wife and I have a regular 2P Hornet and a 3P Tiger Wall Platinum. Had I known how much bigger the 2P Tiger Wall is, we probably would have gone with the 2P instead of the 3P.

@robertestrada9643

2 жыл бұрын

I only picked up the 3p because it was on sale for 499 lol

Do you have any info on the best 3 season 2-3person tents for people who are 6ft tall?

Have you ever tried the Slingfin Crossbow or portal?

I'd love to see a review of the MSR hubba hubba nx-2!

I have the Tiger Wall Solution Dye. It’s $150 cheaper and your only adding four ounces. For that price I don’t mind a few extra ounces. Big Agnes has a Tiger Wall made out of DCF with carbon fiber poles that comes in at 1 pound 11 ounces; but it’s also $1,000.

I just wish the Big Agnes had black mesh. It's a big deal to me. I only use the fly when necessary and love star gazing as I drift off and want to see my surrounding. An olive green fly would seal the deal as well but the grey does look like a big rock.

I hope you get the weather you are expecting as we cynically say in Ireland ;-).. I am a bit concerned about robustness of either in 50mph winds

Dan - I *think* you also tested the MH Strato 2p, which is extremely similar in design to these two but can actually can fit two wide sleeping pads -- your thoughts on it?

@mr.perfect5303

2 жыл бұрын

I have the strato 2p and love it. It is my all time favorite 2p tent. My wife and dog and me have camped in it together. My lab curled up at the end of her feet. She is 5'3" and I am 6'3" and it was tight but doable. Without the dog there is plenty of room.

As for size, I have the normal Nemo Hornet. Can confirm, the size, weight, packability are perfect for a very comfortable one person. Plenty enough space to feel at home even if stuck in the rain. But... Calling it a 2P is a stretch. I love it but think I'd look for something else if I knew I was sharing.

Have you tried the Sea to Summit Telos TR2 tent?

I highly recommend going instead with the Mountain Hardwear Aspect 2 tent at 3lbs & 340-ish dollars. At the best comfort, space, quality, & value compared with the Nemo & Big Agnes, you can't go wrong. Just saying, is all.

Dan I haven’t even finished watching it but thank you for this! I went with the Nemo Hornet elite because I wanted the lightest tent on the market that was double wall, not dyneema, and free standing. I have been running it for a little while now but have been wondering if the Big Agnes tiger wall or even the copper spur is worth the extra space for the weight penalty as I am a bigger guy and feel packed into that Nemo Hornet. Not disliking it by any means but always exploring other options and curiosity. At the end of the day for me it’s about weight unless it absolutely doesn’t work for me. Edit: One thing I do worry about in the Nemo is rain with that vestibule not going all the way down to the ground and not fully covering the tent body, haven’t experienced any weather in it yet.

@savoie72

2 жыл бұрын

I have the Nemo Hornet Elite as well. I have had it for a few years now and have had it in some pretty rough weather. I have never had an issue with my gear getting wet under the vestibule. Just make sure if it is going to rain you tighten the rainfly good and snug. If you don't the nylon will sag when once it gets soaked and that could potentially leave you with wet gear under the fly.

I don’t know about you Dan, but after having my Tiger Wall for a few years now, I have had all kinds of trouble always getting the fly zipper hung up on the fabric when I’m trying to get out of the tent. Makes it very problematic in the morning when I have to pee!

@DanBecker

2 жыл бұрын

Yes that has been a common complaint!

Hopeful to get the nemo elite for xmas!

I personally wouldn’t consider the Nemo if I ever intended to sleep 2 people. For 1person they both look fine. I have a Durston 1P. It’s the same weight, and less delicate(because it uses trekking poles). It’s not as tricky to set up properly as most trekking pole tents. It’s really nice if you can find one. Unfortunately, they are having supply problems and are sold out.

@jays7318

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Also, the Xmid 2p is a true 2p tent, and only about 1/2 lb more

Any other petite backpackers low-key wishing they would make a child size or petite sized single person UL tent to cut even more weight? lol I'm always swimming in my tent I have so much space.

@DanBecker

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂

@smithe68

2 жыл бұрын

Probably as many as there are that wish they would make an ultralight 1 person tent just a little bit longer. At 6’3” 185 lbs it’s a rare tent that is true to length for me. Meanwhile my wife at 5’ tall would be all in with your wish. She uses a child sized sleeping bag and saved a lot of money and pack space!

@mojaslovenija9903

2 жыл бұрын

I am always following the rule: 2P tent for 1 and 3P tent for two. 1P tents are useless for secure camping.

@mr.perfect5303

2 жыл бұрын

@@smithe68 same man. I am 6'3" as well. I love my Strato UL 2. Look into it.

Great video Dan! Tiger Wall all day long.

I think both of these tents are great if you need a freestanding or semi-freestanding tent. I use trekking pole tents about 95% of my trips, but I still have a Terra Nova Solar Photon 2 semi-freestanding tent for some trips, like paddling and camping on stony islands. Great tent for one, or with a dog, BARELY managable to squeeze in 2 persons who are very fond of each other in it, I definetily wouldn't recommend it. But I just can't justify using money on a tent that will barely be used more than a single night per year, so it will have to do. My X-mid and Z-packs tents are getting a lot of use, so I CAN justify getting another trekking pole tent, but I don't need any at this point.

I just got the nemo im pretty excited to see how it is on the trails i go on my cousin got the big agnes so will see lol

I have been trying to find one semi or full freestanding tent option to add to my trekking pole tent collection. Watching your tent videos helps. At 5'2", the fully extended poles of the BA are unwieldy for me and I smack every overhead tree surrounding the tent site. With ultrathin 7D tent walls, laying poles down on tent walls without accidentally snagging or dragging the fabric made me nervous about rips or punctures. I ended up with the BA Scout2 platinum. Since the BA 7d material needs to avoid direct sunlight this could make the Nemo a little more attractive if they don't have the same warning as well. As far as privacy, I change all the time in my BA S2 and your can't really see anything but smudged outlines and that is only a single 7D wall. Bottom line is if you don't take care of your gear this is not the tent for you. At some point if I want to base camp I am going to have to pick a tent, because I need my trekking poles. These were two excellent choice for comparisons and appreciated the side by side, even if I still can't decide.😂

I have wanted a Tiger Wall for years, and it just keeps getting better and better. I think the Platinum is where I bite the bullet.

Well this sure makes me glad about the tent I picked up from Mountain Hardwear on sale. Has this same semi-freestanding construction, weighs just under 2 pounds, only cost $150 on sale. The entrance on it is on the front end though, so its vestibule is very limited.. cool to see the side-entry design on these, seems more functional.

@moxiehikes

2 жыл бұрын

Which one?

Still waiting on your Mountain Hardwear Strato UL2 review. How does it compare to these, besides being better I mean.

@mr.perfect5303

2 жыл бұрын

The Strato is palatial compared to the Hornet and is still significantly roomier than the BA.

Ah foot end is where your feet go, now that is novel. Great comparative review Dan. Take Care

It's almost winter, need winter tent reviews. Looks like you don't have much of a winter going on around your neighborhood though.

i just bought the Hornet ^ 5 great video

@papaleecrosby9412

Жыл бұрын

got 15% off at Back Country

What i'd like to know is how do these stand up against high wind and rain, UK style lol. And would the hardcore community use these in winter?

Do both have a life time warranty?

For cold weather and just one person for camping, I would choose the Nemo ( Mine is Hornet Elite 2 ) . In fact I have both brand of Tent and I just found that for cold winder camping and it was very cold all night for only person inside for Big Agnes ( Mine is Copper UL2 ) . However for Nemo, it is a much better situation as it warm up inside much easier. That is the reason I buy the Nemo for lighter weight and smaller inside space for easier to keep warmer temperature inside during the Winder time.

Other reviewer who I guess used it much more in the rain gave Nemo Hornet very bad review regarding durability and water condensation.....How many days in rain you used this tent for?

I was just comparing these two online. Thanks.

@DanBecker

2 жыл бұрын

👍🙌

Hey, Dan. Is the footprint for the Tigerwall necessary? Have you had any issues with water or damage from the ground?

@DanBecker

2 жыл бұрын

I always bring a footprint for my tents. I’ve had several times where rocks or pine needles have pushed up through the bottom and a footprint always protects it. You don’t necessarily need to get the one that big Agnes sells. You can purchase a piece of Tyvek off of Amazon that is pre-cut for very inexpensive.

@introspection190

2 жыл бұрын

@@DanBecker thanks, man! Great videos! With help from your videos and my cousins knowledge, I'm planning my first backpacking overnighter in the Savage Gulf, TN.

@DanBecker

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome! I’ve backpacked in Tennessee a few times and it’s awesome! Have a blast!

I have the Hornet. The regular green Hornet. Love it! Been in the rain a few times, never had a problem.

this Hornet is the best summer/fall/spring tent ever IMO. i enjoy sleeping beneath the stars. and with the rain cover off this is grants all the pros of cowboy camping with none of the downsides. the mesh right above your head when laying down is unobstructed so it feels like nothing is between you and the sky. it's nice and cool both with and without the cover during the summer, but offers just enough insulation to keep you good to go into the spring and fall. if you want to stay cool and sleep under the stars if the weather permits, while still having protection if the weather goes south. this is it. this tent is the money. if you want to try to winter camp. don't. not in this. you will die. i suggest the Hilleberg Terra for winter camping... but its 1,400$. it's worth every penny, but 1,400 is what it is. not going to sugar coat it. but between the Hornet and the Terra... those are the only two tents you will EVER need for anything. if you ask me. going for a standard camping trip almost anywhere? grab the Hornet. climbing the mountains of Colorado in December? grab the Terra.

Why not compare to MSR Carbon Reflex 2? (All ties are adjustable)

@josh5072

2 жыл бұрын

It is also the only one of the three that will fit 2 wide nemo tensors (50 inch wide for the entire length rather than tapering). Might look at this one to replace my copper spur UL3 down the road for that reason.

I don't care for either one, I prefer fully self standing tents, and colors that are stealthy as I don't want to be seen. ✌🎣🇺🇸

@djfglobal3377

2 жыл бұрын

Do you have a model or two you recommend? Thanks

@cjsoutdoors4412

2 жыл бұрын

@@djfglobal3377 ...Alps Mountaineering "Lynx" model. I person free standing.. $97 on Amazon. I've used it for 2 seasons, no problems... Pretty good tent for the money if you're on a budget.

Like the pockets BA but maybe too big for 1p. Agree. You can watch a movie there in that BA though. All the Nemo has is a little light diffuser...but...phone still fits up there...just no movie. Which fits in pack easier or packs up easier? Maybe take that one. Both companies great on phone. Just finished speaking with Austin from Nemo...great fella. I like the 12.5 inch pack size off the next Hornet 1p.

This is such a Ford vs Chevy debate. (^_^) I've been using the Nemo Hornet 2P since the original came out. I've since added the Elite and a Z-Packs Duplex to the backpacking family. Honestly, I still prefer the original Hornet as the yellow in the morning is REALLY bright. My younger son, who is an early bird LOVES the yellow color. Older son likes the z-packs because he says it sets up so much easier. We've been in some serious squalls in all these tents and frankly, they all work just fine as long as you pitch them tight. In practical use, I didn't really feel any difference between the Elite and the standard Hornet in my pack. All my stuff is light and the handful of ounces isn't really enough to make a difference to me. Have a friend with the BA Tiger Wall, and he's had trouble at times finding a place to pitch. The width of the vestibule combined with no adjustments makes it harder to get the fly tight on uneven ground. Even if your tent body is on flat, if the vestibule has to go up or down more than a couple inches, you can find getting that taught fly difficult. He ended up adding an adjustable cord to the vestibule just to allow for uneven ground. In any case, these tents all work much better as a larger 1-person than trying to squeeze 2 in.

I'm leaning towards buying the tiger wall platinum 3 person for next year spring / summer season. we have 2 25" pads and like being comfy so anything 2 person is out currently using the msr elixir 3, nice tent but at almost 7#'s way to heavy for where our adventures have started to take us. just worried the platinum won't hold up with pacific northwest camping conditions.

@dkeener13

2 жыл бұрын

just the regular tiger wall 3 is really light, that's my go-to tent for two actual people with wide pads; it's just terrific for that, and sounds perfect for you. I've even taken mine on solo trips if I know there are good tent sites, especially if there might be weather. all that space can be so nice to spread out and bring gear in and it's only a few ounces heavier than my solo tent. for two just trying to be comfortable it's an amazing shelter.

@racingdesire

2 жыл бұрын

@@dkeener13 thank you I've looked at that one a lot also!! seems like a good pick without getting into the 4# market, so many choices these days.

@weirdmood8102

2 жыл бұрын

I love my nemo dagger 3p. Definitely worth checking out , as it seems to fit your needs perfectly.

@racingdesire

2 жыл бұрын

@@weirdmood8102 big fan of nemo highly considered that tent but its over 4# with the footprint. really nice to be around the 3# mark

@weirdmood8102

2 жыл бұрын

@@racingdesire yeah, I really struggled with the weight, But with it in hand now, I'm cool wirh it and don't even think about that # when im toting my pack.

These tents look great. After using my zpacks duplex, I would prolly never consider purchasing a tent that style again! So easy to setup and breakdown! I love my zpacks tent !!! BUNCHES!! To each their own, i guess☺ great information thou!!

Not sure why the Hornet is the only Nemo tent that seems to end up being discussed. I've got a Dagger 2P which I love. It has huge vestibules, more than enough head room for two tall people, and it holds up great in rough weather. I know the Dagger is slightly heavier because it's slightly bigger, but I think it compares really well with the Tiger Wall for less money.

@DanBecker

2 жыл бұрын

Great thoughts Lou! I haven’t talked about it because I’ve never used it :-) but it is on the review list.. eventually! 😂👍

@lougubrious9624

2 жыл бұрын

@@DanBecker ok I had to double check the Nemo website but I'm guessing the nearly 4lbs vs 2 for the hornet and tiger wall are all the explanation needed. I'm a motorcycle camper so I would never notice the difference.

@weirdmood8102

2 жыл бұрын

I love my Dagger 3p. I contemplated for a few months and finally just went with the dagger and couldn't be happier.

Nemo hornet elite 2p is on sale on backcountry!

The yellow Hornet might be an insect magnet... what's your experience?

Why is nobody talking about the new Sea to Summit Telos TR2 tent??!! I own it and I feel like it blows all of these tents out of the water!! Please do a review on that one next!!

You look like Cindy Loo Who on Christmas in your thumbnail 😂🤣

So you came out conflicted🤔🤣 Liked the deep dive comparison though👍

@DanBecker

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly… They are both such great tents! It’s like buying a Lamborghini and a Ferrari and having to choose LOL!

@collegedad8656

2 жыл бұрын

@@DanBecker Well now, that would be glamping 😉🤣

I like more space, so I choose BA, but I really like the yellow color of Nemo.

Our boy Dan's telling us that there's a higher end version of some of the highest end tents, meanwhile I'm over here, saving up for a year just to buy a Mongar. 😬

@robbiesw1

2 жыл бұрын

You cant go wrong with that tent, it’s a bit too much mesh for my taste especially if you are on sand but it has stood up to some serous winds and though it’s a bit heavy the 2P tent carried between two people makes the weight a non-issue.

I own the Tiger Wall and I can not imagen sleeping two people in it. Its nice for one but two I don't think so.

2 min. into this and I already know the Big Agnes is his favorite. I'll keep watching to see if I'm right.

I really want to compare Nemo with the new Sea to Summit Alto. The Nemo has such a lovely small footprint (great for the scrubby Australian bush), but it has a large cutout form the fly which isn’t great for the July/August torrential rain. S2S looks good but there aren’t great online reviews.

@DanBecker

2 жыл бұрын

Just bought one of those! It’s on the list :-)

@fayleya3865

2 жыл бұрын

@@DanBecker fantastic! When you do a review, see if there’s a way to make it self-standing by lying down your trekking pole and tying the toes to it please? There are lots of platforms and rocks where I camp. Looking forward to your review !

I still think Marmot has more caché though.

I want a 4 season two man .

If you ever get wind bound on a canoe trip you'll appreciate extra room.

mountain hardwear strato!

I’d take the Tiger Wall all day because it can be used for one or two people. Nemo looks claustrophobic even for one person and footprint is only slightly smaller. Plus I know BA stands behind their products, don’t know about Nemo.

Are you the surprise guest when Backpacker Radio comes to Wisconsin?

@DanBecker

2 жыл бұрын

Not that I’m aware of! Is there something you know that I don’t? 😂

@twocross

2 жыл бұрын

@@DanBecker maybe I’ll see you there.