You missed the S off THAT'S

@CuriousMarc

4 жыл бұрын

Yes I know! I didn't have the courage to remake another tape. You make one mistake and you are toast. That was like my 5th attempt... At least I got the dinging part right!

@--Lam

4 жыл бұрын

That was just a teletypo.

@sophiacristina

2 жыл бұрын

We need a new episode!

@grossteilfahrer

Жыл бұрын

Did you ever solve the tty driver issue with XCASE? I figure it should be possible to recompile the kernel with old sources, shouldn't it? I'd really appreciate a solution so i could use my tek4006 with modern linux. At least it can receive 7 bit ascii, but I'd need a shift hack like figs/letters but for upper lower case ascii. Old unixes had the convention to use a prefix escape char for setting the 7th bit on input.

Long long time a go, in about 1980, I replaced a number of teletypes in my company when we installed the first VAX/11 computer. Just out of college, I still had my sense of humour set to a dangerously high level. We punched up a tape, much as Marc did here, and fed it in to a teletype. Two of us then placed the teletype on the desk of the chief engineer, who over saw a design office full of large drafting boards. We set all the switches to auto play, hooked it to the worlds longest extension lead and retreated to the far end of this 50 yard office. And waited.... When the chief engineer arrived, he saw this monstrosity on his desk. He knew we had been installing a computer but as he came from a different era where slide rules were the order of the day, he had largely ignored us young whippersnappers. He stood, looked, peered at the teletype, clearly wondering what it was doing on his desk. As he reached out a tentative finger to touch it, we flicked the switch, it roared in to life and typed "GOOD MORNING MR VERTIGEN. I AM YOUR REPLACEMENT. YOU CAN GO HOME NOW". He put on his coat and headed back to the car park. I managed to catch him just as he was getting in to his car and explain our joke. Somehow, I don't think he ever saw the funny side of it!

@Xezlec

4 жыл бұрын

It sounds like he understood it fine and was taking full advantage of it! "Alright, fine with me, the job's all yours, kiddo. Good luck. You'll need it!"

@masonsykes2240

4 жыл бұрын

"Welp, shit. Still, it's amazing what technology can do nowadays."

@_ten

3 жыл бұрын

This is too good to be true.

@hohner51

3 жыл бұрын

I still have a mod. 75 out in the yard. Probably not restorable now...

@incumbentvinyl9291

Жыл бұрын

@@hohner51 Why the hell is it out in the yard?

I was a newspaper reporter in the late 1970s, when Associated Press and United Press International sent feeds to newsrooms all over the country via continuously-running Teletypes. After a while working in the newsroom you learned to just tune out the noise... until the bell rang, indicating an incoming bulletin. The number of bell rings indicated the level of urgency... I think the levels ran from three bells (ordinary breaking news) up to eight bells... the only time I ever recall hearing eight was when the Pope died. If any of us had heard this Teletype March we'd have had heart failure!

@simontay4851

4 жыл бұрын

Why would the pope dieing be urgent. I couldn't care less about him.

@sadiqmohamed681

4 жыл бұрын

Back in the 70s as a trainee engineer at the BBC, I worked on the Saturday sports programme "Grandstand". Towards the end of the show the football ("soccer") results would come in and would be presented by pointing a camera at a teleprinter and having a commentator read them into a lip mic! The teleprinter noise was included at low level. In the early 80s they made an electronic version including the sound FX. For those who don't know what a "lip mic" is: www.bbc.co.uk/ahistoryoftheworld/objects/HHw1yFy_RKW7tk2Hc39zhw

@A3Kr0n

4 жыл бұрын

Fake News™

@awittyusernamepleaselaugh7481

4 жыл бұрын

@@simontay4851 Other people do, and it would be a huge news story. Hence eight bells.

@rkan2

4 жыл бұрын

@@simontay4851 I presume you weren't old enough 50 years ago...

I think you need to do the one thing to make this complete: Teletype via radio. It was the radio link that really made Teletype useful as it was. The mode is still in use on the ham bands, so you can make a contact that way.

@CuriousMarc

4 жыл бұрын

Totally agree. Our 19 in particular comes from the Navy, and was most likely a Radio Teletype. Coming up one day hopefully.

@gtb81.

4 жыл бұрын

@@CuriousMarc you should try doing it with vacuum tubes as well, or finding a period unit

@CuriousMarc

4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely.

@gtb81.

4 жыл бұрын

@@CuriousMarc Can't wait for the vid, if you need tubes i can certainly search in my stash for some, i have quite a good amount and even some US military ones!

@CuriousMarc

4 жыл бұрын

@@gtb81. Definitely, we might need some. I am actually planning to use the original military equipment the Model 19 was likely connected to. Totally awesome hardware.

I remember tuning in a strong TTY signal on HF before dinner when I was a kid. It was a solid print on my Model 15. When I went back downstairs to the shack after dinner I heard Jingle Bells being played on my Model 15. Wow! That was cool. Someone has a tape out there for it somewhere. No computers back then. Late 1970's early 80's.

4:41 the CR shifts the entrie machine physically to the left. At the university computer club/museum in the 2000s I used a diablo 630 terminal logging slashdot, that would do the same, and had to be rescued from falling off the table regularly.

I'm imagining a cadre of bored Teletype operators randomly composing and sending these to each other at about 3am...

@simontay4851

4 жыл бұрын

Ding ding ding ding....

@pulesjet

4 жыл бұрын

12 hour mid shift does that to a person. Especially when your on 9 day weeks.

@USWaterRockets

4 жыл бұрын

They invented Twitter?

@AndrewDeme

4 жыл бұрын

Normal behaviour for Morse code operators over 175 years ago

@eamesaerospace2805

4 жыл бұрын

Andrew Deme just send “what you doing” in morse

1:44 Long ago, my uncle was a Lineotype operator at the newspaper in Leesburg, Fla. and he told me that he heard a regular bell symphony for much of the afternoon of November 22, 1963. Every few minutes a news flash of the highest priority arrived on the Teletypes with the bell ringing six to eight times, continuing well into the night.

This brings back a lot of memories. I am a ham radio operator and had a Model 15 and and Model 19 tty machine hooked up to my radio in the late 60's. We used to talk to other radio operators worldwide, send tty pix back and forth etc. It was fun and eventually went all electronic, thus doing away with the sound, and smell, of this ingenious mechanical contraptions. Thanks for the memories! p.s. Ham radio operators still use Baudot code communications in some instances for long distance communication. It is called RTTY and is actually the second digital mode of communication. The first digital mode of communication was Morse code (also known as CW).

3:24 "Its more beautiful without the cover." certainly is...👍👍👍😊

This gives the Floppotron a run for its money. Okay, maybe not, but this is a hell of wonderful hack. Kudos!

@awittyusernamepleaselaugh7481

4 жыл бұрын

Floppotron Teletype duo when?

@grossteilfahrer

3 жыл бұрын

@@awittyusernamepleaselaugh7481 Still waiting

@xblackdog

Жыл бұрын

@@grossteilfahrer I think we'll be waiting for quite awhile, but hey, at least the orchestra is all together!

@grossteilfahrer

Жыл бұрын

@@xblackdog stiiiiiiilll waiting.....

And of course there is the classic movie "The Andromeda Strain", where a piece of paper jammed the teletype bell with potentially disastrous results.

@markevans2294

4 жыл бұрын

That part of the plot is unchanged from the book.

The entire restoration of the Model 15 and 19 was a great achievement and then you top yourself with the digital interface! Love the Teletype March...

Look how beautiful the Model 19 now is, good job!

Yes, I messed it up and misread the title completely. I read "Imperial March" instead of "Teletype March". So I was waiting and watching anxiously how they will pull that one of with a teletype and was bitterly dissappointed to hear THAT...

2:30 NGL i use Linux for like couple years but only now when you mentioned Teletype match and "TTY March on Model 35" I connected the dots that TTY stands for Teletype.

@pavelkalugin4537

2 жыл бұрын

Oh my god I did that only after I read your comment

Cut my teeth programming CNC machines with paper tape made on a Bendix(?) Teletype, what a laborious task that was! Seeing these machines brings back memories, some I wished didn't return!

@snooks5607

3 жыл бұрын

new generations never really see how good they got it. I tell stories of how we used to load games off tape that could take an hour only to crash, and 10 short years later we had 3D broadband online multiplayer on desktop, another 10y and it was in our pocket. or in programming terms in 20 years many of us went from 8bit assembly, to GUI IDEs, to javascript on the entire stack from server to smartphone. kinda amazing

First assignment at my first PCS base, right out of tech school, was to reassemble and adjust a M28 ASR page printer that had been completely stripped down to every single piece and placed in a box. This included stripping the main shaft and disassembling the clutches as well as completely disassembling the function (stunt) box with all its tiny springs. Newbies had 8 hours to get it back together and running with a minimum spread of 50 points on the rangefinder. No one ever made it on the first try. Took me 5 attempts to get the damn thing assembled in 8 hours and another 3 to get everything working right. Later I found out that was the point. To make us practice until we could do it right. Don't miss those noisy clunkers at all.

Now if you could get several teletypes, each with different bell rings, just to perform the silliest Carol of the Bells, that'd be an interesting thing to even setup.

@simontay4851

4 жыл бұрын

That would be the most nerdy thing ever and i'd love it. Good luck getting enough working teletypes together.

@mumblbeebee6546

4 жыл бұрын

Simon Tay a feat worth of the "Clifford Stoll Appreciation Award" for sure :)

@AntiComposite

Жыл бұрын

Carol of the BELs

So great. Thank you for these amazing videos.

Loved it thank you and the ending was magic as well

Lovely !!!. Nice gear up and running

So much fun, thank you, mate, great work!

Wow, many memories as a tech many, many years ago! Thanks for the memories!

Who needs a player piano when you have a programmable mechanical percussion synthesizer?

Needs more cowbell

Thanks for driving a bunch of traffic to my model 35 Teletype March video :) I think yours sounds better than mine which was running at 110 baud.

Another upcoming episode? Damn, teletype is this wonderful gift that keeps on giving ;)

Incredibly cool, thanks a lot!

This is by far the best channel on KZread.

I still like the Linux terminal over teletype more. That doesn't change the fact that this is awesome. What happens if you run a fullscreen application, like Midnight Commander or Nano, over teletype? Does it retype the screen? Does it not work entirely? Can you use ssh over teletype to connect from that old ass laptop to a modern computer, a server or a Raspberry Pi? What do modern command prompt applications look like? *gasp* Can you use Elinks to go on the internet?!

As I recall, not only did I see those teletypes in the offices of UPI Radio (Washington DC) in the 1960s but also in the offices of UPI (Beirut) in the 1990s!

Pretty amazing and fun too!

shave and a haircut = 5 bits

@CuriousMarc

4 жыл бұрын

I had to look it up! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shave_and_a_Haircut

@christopherlawley1842

4 жыл бұрын

That's actually 4bits + parity

This is so cool! A bit more special than the Datapoint 8200 terminal even

I have heard Lara's theme from Dr. Zhivago performed on a bank of about seven or at least five standing tape drives having vacuum columns. Also, some rousing march on a line printer. I'm pretty sure this was on the CDC Cyber74, not the Univac 1108. One of the operators remarked that what wowed visitors to the computer room was not the calculations the computer could do, but the fact that it would report on the console when the printer was out of paper (or it may have been something about the card reader or the card punch).

Now this is what I subscribed for

Cool.... that reminded me of s similar thing for CW. The phrase "Bens best bent wire" has a nice march-rythm when tapped out on CW :-)

Would setting that as part of your login script be the TTY equivalent of the windows start sound, or the Mac boot chime? 😉

In the days of old and nights were cold... And computers wen't invented... You'd sit and press BEL BEL BEL on the teletype... Smile and feel contented...

Brilliant - when is the album coming out? I could sit and listen to Teletype sounds all night long.

Well done Marc !

The real Ballet Mécanique :P

I'm not the only one with a lunchbox machine that has a GPIB card in the top slot :-D I've been using mine for disk emulation for the HP9000/312 I have. Love it!

I drove a Creed 7B from a Sinclair ZX80 back in the day

@markevans2294

4 жыл бұрын

Creed machines used a very different printing mechanism from those of the Teletype Corporation.

This put a big smile on my face

OUTSTANDING!!!!

So that's the teletype march! What a "loony tune".

@OpenKeith

4 жыл бұрын

I think this was closer to the "Merrie Melodies" era but ok

Nice job

Reminds me of the opening sequence of Gerry Anderson's UFO.

@markevans2294

4 жыл бұрын

It's an IBM Selectric. Possibly a 2741 terminal. Not sure if there were telex machines using this mechanism back in the 1960s.

Love it!

You should program Steve Reich's Clapping Music for two teletypes!

@CuriousMarc

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the tip, didn’t know of him. Interesting pieces for a few seconds, but my, they go on forever and drive you crazy!

@Digital-Dan

4 жыл бұрын

@@CuriousMarc Especially when you watch two colleagues whom you think the world of try to perform it on stage.

Brilliant!

The Typewriter for Orchestra would be another good thing to do on it.

Who remembers news broadcasts with teletype background? The background had Model 15 cadence, not the ASR33 "caffeine powered" one.

@user2C47

4 жыл бұрын

WGMD still has teletype noise on some news broadcasts.

That is really cool !!!!

You can Ctrl-G my BEL, Ctrl-G my BEL, Ctrl-G, Ctrl-G, Cctrl-G Ctrl-G :D

@b43xoit

Жыл бұрын

Let's get digital, digital, let me hear your Baud-rate clock Baud-rate clock...

Yo, I found this sick beat on the Intranet!

It sounds like the rythym to the pokemon Red and Blue route 1 theme

So you had to use the by-hand method to transcribe... just easier than coding. Marc, I was going to ask if you'd ever found the drum cadence equations for your Frieden calculators... I remember my grandpa had one (I believe it was the Frieden) that would play a drum corps piece for certain multiplications or divisions, I forget. I do remember putting the thing into an infinite calculation and him having to turn it off and on to reset it!

Keep up the good work, we will need this knowledge to rebuild civilization after the viral apocalypse.

What kind of computer is used at around 1:45 ? Is it home build? Reminds me of my old (and broken) Compaq portable 3

@CuriousMarc

4 жыл бұрын

Glad you asked. It is my beloved DolchPAC 65 industrial computer, my retro-workhorse. With awesome Pentium-II power. I have many videos about it: kzread.info/head/PL-_93BVApb586tj99jfuKHtStfLhIy88B .

@Gulliolm

4 жыл бұрын

@@CuriousMarc thank you, i love the design and concept!

... and now for the news, with Teletype sounds in the background!!

You are an analogue magician!

Quick question: Do you have any 8 inch floppies for a Tandy 6000HD? Thanks.

@DolganoFF

4 жыл бұрын

He's not interested by modern technology

I could have sworn that the bell was Figures J. Maybe it varied?

Love it

Should be able to do some semblance of Leroy Anderson's "The Typewriter," too. That would require some way to get something resembling a rest. Also, the piece is normally performed at a higher speed. Maybe the Model 33 would do a better job.

@jimcooper3097

2 жыл бұрын

Since in Baudot all the bells are FIGS S ... repeating the FIGS can provide 'rest time'

Very COOL!!!!

Brilliant. Who on earth would down vote this?

That thing could knock your coffee off the table when you hit CR!

If you have time, can we get other songs/tunes? Or do you think that KZread's CEO enrichment program..sorry, copyright system will strike them down?

BBCs Grandstand always had a teleprinter printing the late soccer results. I was always fascinated with it although I had no interest in soccer.

@stoatrepublic

2 жыл бұрын

Same here, that teletype on Grandstand was music to my ears but never had any time for football.

It was that weird that I like it! :-))))

I guess that's how people annoy their friends in the old days.

now for the Imperial March. It's the law!

So was punch tape back then just a way to store messages to send later?

@jimcooper3097

2 жыл бұрын

basically, yes

Would sending it with different baud rates change the tempo? 🙂

@CuriousMarc

4 жыл бұрын

Definitely. I tried it on the ASR33 at 110 bauds first, and that was a) way too fast and b) the machine made more noise than the bell!

@user2C47

4 жыл бұрын

Can the baud rate even be changed more than ±10% without the machine jamming?

@explorer914

4 жыл бұрын

@@user2C47 I think you can change it by swapping out some gears, but Marc is the best person to answer that question. :)

@CuriousMarc

4 жыл бұрын

@@user2C47 On certain machines you can, to a certain extent, by changing the gearing. We learned it the hard way, when one of our transmitter/distributors was found to be geared for the wrong speed. This Wikipedia page says the Model 15 is only 45.5 bauds, while the model 28 can be geared for 45.5, 50, 56 and 75 bauds: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teleprinter. But I have not looked at the documentation to confirm it, and Wikipedia should to be trusted without proper checking.

▶ Believe it or not, there is an ancient flight simulator game you play on your teletype ▶ It would print out 72 characters of instrument data every few seconds ▶ In the meantime, you could type in parameter/data pairs for throttle, control surfaces etc

@pavelkalugin4537

2 жыл бұрын

There was actually a similar program for Soviet programmable calculators in 1980-s. The source code was printed in computer magazine.

So when are you going to call up a BBS on the Model 15?

@tamber5977

2 жыл бұрын

need to see

Let me 2nd Russell Hltn's suggesting of communication via HF or even VHF/UHF if it makes life a bit easier. There are lots of Amateurs around who can help you out on it.

I love how mad this is! I love it, but Marc may have lost it ;-)

WOW!!

That's all folks!

Now, play For Whom the Bell Tolls on the teletype.

OK, now we need to create a server made available to everyone with a computer interface teletype to send messages in party mode. Rebirth of the teletype network!!

GENIUS !!! Wile E. Coyote !!!

Great

Here's some appropriate background music: kzread.info/dash/bejne/h4Z109CGYbO2Zag.html

Yea, we use to waist all sorta paper and paper tape doing figures like that during the holidays.

@b43xoit

Жыл бұрын

"to waist"

That's why you must have both the line feed and the carriage return characters in your text document. Windows predicted all of this

Marc, I'd love to see you play legend of the red dragon via telnet on this beast

@rkan2

4 жыл бұрын

"can you play paranoid?"

Why was i disappointed when it wasn't the Star Wars Imperial March. Maybe that's your next challenge

Ctrl-G FTW!

wow..........

Hi there! Maybe you're interested in buying yet-to-be-punched 17 mm tapes? Some time ago I've found them at my Granpa's attic. Got like 30 of them! :D

ding

LMAO!! Thanks! I wonder how you obtain paper tape & ribbons for the machine? LOL

@CuriousMarc

4 жыл бұрын

Your one stop shop, Mr. RTTY! kzread.info/dash/bejne/X4B4mplrdbqxkag.html

@simontay4851

4 жыл бұрын

I suppose you could use till roll paper maybe...

@user2C47

4 жыл бұрын

@@simontay4851 That type of paper is not strong enough to be fed through this machine.

clicky clack clatter

Marc, wonderful! But here's the new challenge.. "The Typewriter" composed by Leroy Anderson... Can you fit an orchestra in your basement? en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Typewriter

@CuriousMarc

4 жыл бұрын

Can't resist to post this Wintergatan performance using a typewriter: kzread.info/dash/bejne/eYGp165-dpPHaJc.html.