Tech Talk with John Wilson from Ravenheat sequence of operation

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I though we'd do a little bit on sequence of operation today.
Just one thing to bear in mind guys, this is a more modern pre-mix appliance, and this boiler has 28 different fault finding codes, okay. This is old atmospheric, and you know in a lot of cases these are the type of boilers that you're working on because these type of boilers you've made manufacturers put these long warranties on there, so you know at the end of the day, a lot of boilers that you attend are of the older type. So we'll address you know, later technologies, we move on, but one of the things we need to understand is sequence.
This has got 28 fault finding codes. This one, the old atmospheric and they're all the same, the top line depicts power, and the bottom line when flashing, it's gone to overheat for some reason, and if the bottom line stays solid, then it's gone to flame failure. Well sorry guys but yeah these are handy to have all these fault finding codes, but the whistles and bells, at the end of the day, you know, you're the engineer guys, you're out there actually fixing it, and yeah they're a good handy guide but you know, train the trainer again and let's be engineers.
There's only two failures on any gas boiler, whether it be a pre-mix or whether it be an atmospheric, and one of those failures is attributed to an overheat situation, and the other is attributed to flame failure. What we must get into as mindset guys, is understanding the sequence, okay, now understand the sequence and understand the standard of a gas boiler.
The sequence on gas boilers is virtually the same because they all go through the same test styles to get to the end sequence. If we switch a boiler on, then the first component to energise is the pump, and the pump comes direct from the circuit board in older technology like this. If we look at, if we move on, some boilers may have some device like this, they may have a pump proving switch, where if the pump's not energised then the sequence can't continue. But let's look at boilers that you're working on without flow switches and without, if you like, a pump proving switch like so.
We switch this type of appliance on and the pump immediately energises, and the pump comes direct from the circuit board. Now a regular component to be sold as a PCB, but what you must appreciate, with all manufacturers PCBs are pretty much bullet proof, so the only time I will actually tell you there's a problem with the PCB is if there's no power to the pump, the first line in the sequence, okay. Now the standard says then, once the pump is energised, the standards is asking for the circuit board behind the panel to search for the APS, to search for the Air Pressure Switch. Now this is very important guys, because this is where you can actually buy a PCB or necessary.
I'll just swing around to this flip chart, okay, and what we've got here, this is an old type APS. Now on very old appliances, we had three taps, and on those three taps there was three wires. One of those was common, one of them was normally open, and the other was normally closed, okay? So all of those three taps were actually used. As time went on and things moved on, we found that we had two wires, but three taps, and one the taps was covered with a red or an orange rubber boot. And then as time went on, we found two taps and the third tap had disappeared. Well it hadn't disappeared, it became a flat piece of metal on the APS, on the Air Pressure Switch, because that flat piece of metal was still a usable part of the Air Pressure Switch, and that usable part of the Air Pressure Switch was the normally closed position guys, okay, so remember we've now got the sequence of operation the pump is running, then the standard says that the circuit board must search for the Air Pressure Switch to see if it's in place before ignition can continue, and ignition continue it needs the fan to run, okay.
Does it search from common to normally open, or does it search from common to normally closed? Well think about it [inaudible 00:04:40] guys. If it searched between common and normally open, it would mean that you could link an Air Pressure Switch out and walk away, but basically you're leaving a bomb. So the standard says that we don't search between common and normally open, we search between common and normally closed. So once it sees that there's continuity between common and normally closed, it knows that the Air Pressure Switch is there guys, don't it? And when it knows that the Air Pressure Switch is there, then it allows the fan to energise. So that is the thing that will throw you off track, where you would buy a PCB. It's not the PCB. Just remember what I was saying to you, PCBs are bulletproof guys, all manufacturers, okay.
Right,

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  • @plumbertime
    @plumbertime3 жыл бұрын

    Part of acs should be sitting a course with this guy. Straight to the point and very good. He should do his own channel

  • @AllenHart999

    @AllenHart999

    3 жыл бұрын

    John is an amazing guy.

  • @tony123456789fuck
    @tony123456789fuck3 жыл бұрын

    This guy is the only one I have seen who teaches you profoundly how to fix boilers, it’s a shame he hasn’t got more videos,

  • @stewartharrod1706
    @stewartharrod17062 жыл бұрын

    This guy is awesome and knows his craft 👏

  • @timeyre9985
    @timeyre99854 жыл бұрын

    I have had the pleasure of attending some of his teaching sessions, he is one of the most charismatic gentlemen I have ever met, and a bloody genious! There is very good reason to buy Raven heat and it is this guy!

  • @AllenHart999

    @AllenHart999

    4 жыл бұрын

    👍👍👍

  • @chriswilson4274

    @chriswilson4274

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@AllenHart999 he's a total but shitter, watch this space trading standards notified.

  • @stewben1169
    @stewben11696 жыл бұрын

    Another great video. Thank you

  • @dazdavison1
    @dazdavison15 жыл бұрын

    I love this guy hes a great teacher, great asset to the heating industry

  • @AllenHart999

    @AllenHart999

    5 жыл бұрын

    Daz Dee John is an amazing guy.

  • @chriswilson4274

    @chriswilson4274

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@AllenHart999 he a compleat joke ,tell me I should expect to maintain his boilers more than once a year,will not honer the 10 warranty, a complete con.Trading standereds are notified.

  • @TheIcebon
    @TheIcebon6 жыл бұрын

    Top marks, thank you

  • @rayc1503
    @rayc15035 жыл бұрын

    Top man, really easy to digest his wording. Bullet proof PCB's with the exception of the isar and mini range. I've changed countless PCB on those😉

  • @jackhoskins722

    @jackhoskins722

    3 жыл бұрын

    And vaillants

  • @gasmanrus
    @gasmanrus4 жыл бұрын

    Great video, am interested in Ravenheat more now. Btw, Suprima & ecotec pcb’s I wouldn’t describe as bullet proof 😆😆

  • @AllenHart999

    @AllenHart999

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks.

  • @chriswilson4274

    @chriswilson4274

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@AllenHart999 Ravenheat worst boilers money can buy.AVOID.

  • @feisalrehman2253
    @feisalrehman22537 жыл бұрын

    can you add the hole video

  • @AllenHart999

    @AllenHart999

    7 жыл бұрын

    This are just off the cuff videos with no editing i believe the phone cut out on this one so this is all we have, watch the rest of the videos for more help. Thanks.

  • @treborgray
    @treborgray11 ай бұрын

    Have Ravenheat now closed down?

  • @AllenHart999

    @AllenHart999

    7 ай бұрын

    Unfortunately yes they have closed down.

  • @maximuswong3092
    @maximuswong309210 ай бұрын

    Disagree PCBs are bulletproof but good shit apart from that.

  • @AllenHart999

    @AllenHart999

    7 ай бұрын

    Thank You

  • @maximuswong3092

    @maximuswong3092

    7 ай бұрын

    @@AllenHart999 no allen, thank you

  • @AllenHart999

    @AllenHart999

    7 ай бұрын

    @@maximuswong3092

  • @dzmalekvali1110
    @dzmalekvali11106 жыл бұрын

    Too much coffee

  • @chriswilson4274
    @chriswilson42742 жыл бұрын

    Ravenheat worst boilers on market,warranty not worth a carrot, You cannot belive a word John Wilson says. Our boiler gone wrong since 2 weeks old.

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